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Hi Kenneth,
bool is a build-in datatype in C++, not in C. If you #include <stdbool.h>
you should be able to use it in C without problems.
'# recursion too deep' is not about an unrecognised datatype, but about the
structure of your program.
Without seeing the program it is impossible to tell you what is wrong with 
it,
so please copy the program into your mail.

Wobien

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Kenneth Chung
To: dev...@li...
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 3:15 AM
Subject: [Dev-C++] BloodShed Dev-C++


Hi All,

Currently I am using the BloodShed Dev-C++ version 4.01.  When I include the
#include <stdbool.h> and wish to use bool data type in my program however it
doesn't work.  When I compile The error message shows '# recursion too deep'
something like that.

Kindly advise.  Urgent!

regards,
Kenneth


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It doesn't matter what you can look up on the net. That just means that
you don't have to buy books.

However, how do you scan the net for information you don't know exits or
concepts you don't know about? Most people aren't even able to find a
single function in the C RTL or Win32 API, even if they know exactly what
they need.

How will people then be able to google for different uses of template
functions, operator overloading, multiple inherritance, where to use the
const keyword, smart algorithms, ... where you might have to know the
solution you are looking for just to be able to figure out what search
terms to use?

An example: How do you google for smart pointers if you don't know about
smart pointers?

So how will an employer know that you have enough knowledge to actally be
able to develop real applications? Having access to a fullset of API
documentation doesn't really matter. Access to a full tool shop isn't
enough to guarantee that a person may actually manage to build anything
useful.

When you already have a number of years in the busines, you have
recommendations and references to show when you look for a new job. If you
are looking for your first job as a developer, you must somehow figure out
a way to convince a possible employer that you have potential? All
companies doesn't have time/resources to let their candidates come and do
in-house tests or do trial-out work for a couple of weeks/months.

/pwm

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Chris Miller wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 3:46 AM, sam Ruma <as...@ya...> wrote:
> > Is there any programming certificate in C++ which can
> > prove somebody's C++ ability?
>
> Microsoft used to have a very good certification course, but I can't
> find their C++ tracks any more.  They're all phased out in favor of
> C#.
>
> Many colleges offer computer science courses in C++.  That's a good
> place to look.
>
> Sun Microsystems also has Java certifications, so they might have
> something in C++.  I don't know for sure, since I never looked
> specifically for C++ certs.
>
> So much of C++ is documented online now that it's mostly immaterial to
> show a cert, since almost anyone with 1/4 of a brain can look it up on
> the web.
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Hi All,Currently I am using the BloodShed Dev-C++ version 4.01.  When I include the #include <stdbool.h> and wish to use bool data type in my program however it doesn't work.  When I compile The error message shows '# recursion too deep' something like that.Kindly advise.  Urgent!regards,Kenneth

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On Sun, Mar 30, 2008 at 3:46 AM, sam Ruma <as...@ya...> wrote:
> Is there any programming certificate in C++ which can
> prove somebody's C++ ability?

Microsoft used to have a very good certification course, but I can't
find their C++ tracks any more.  They're all phased out in favor of
C#.

Many colleges offer computer science courses in C++.  That's a good
place to look.

Sun Microsystems also has Java certifications, so they might have
something in C++.  I don't know for sure, since I never looked
specifically for C++ certs.

So much of C++ is documented online now that it's mostly immaterial to
show a cert, since almost anyone with 1/4 of a brain can look it up on
the web.

frederico schardong napsal(a):
>   [Linker error] undefined reference to `usleep'
>  
> I`m working in windows OS
> usleep not present in Dev headfiles?

Windows has no usleep, they have Sleep: 
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms686298(VS.85).aspx

  [Linker error] undefined reference to `usleep'

I`m working in windows OS
usleep not present in Dev headfiles?

deeps6ix

         Well, even though other estimeed members have already answered
this, let me explain why char is case-sensitive; I kinda get the feeling, by
your question, you do not fully understand what a char is.
         The datatype 'char' is a "virtual conception", in that a 'char' = 1
byte, and represents an entry of ASCII table.
         The 'char' type does not exist in terms that it is really a
integer.
         Every entry of the ASCII table features a value and a charater. the
first 31 entries consist of teletype control codes, like carriage return
 legacy typewriter thing, that you had to do when you wanted to change
lines. )
         The following 96 entries features common letters, numbers and
pontuaction stuff.
         This, obviously represents the first 127 entries, that are, also
the maximum value a byte ( signed ) can achive...
         but looking into ASCII table reveals Value('M') = 77 and Value('m')
= 109, therefore 'm' != 'M'

Check out this code, execution gives more info :

<CODE LANG="C">
#include <stdio.h>
int ReturnBytesInChar( unsigned char ch )    {
    /* Right shhifts bits out, to AND with 0000 0001*/
    int i;
    for ( i=7*sizeof( char ) ; i >=0 ; i-- )
      printf("%d", (ch >> i) & 1 );
}
int ReturnBytesInInt( unsigned int ch )    {
    int i;
    for ( i=7*sizeof(int) ; i >=0 ; i-- )
      printf("%d", ( ch >> i ) & 1);
}
int main ()       {

   char a = 'a';
   unsigned int  aIntegerValue = 97;
   unsigned int Draw;
   printf("Is a char = \'a\' equal a int = 97?\n\n");
   if ( a == aIntegerValue )
      printf("Wow, they do ? WTF!");
   else
      printf("Nah! this guys is full of bollogny"); // This will never
happen!!! heheh humor, hehe
   printf ("\n\nBut.. numbers of bytes allocatted for a char variable are %d
and for a integer one %d\n...How can this be?", sizeof(char),sizeof(int));
   printf("\n\nSimple dude :\n Check this table :\n");
   for ( Draw^=Draw ; Draw != 9+sizeof(int)*7; Draw ++ ) putchar('-');
   printf("\n\nChar bytes\t:\t%d\nVarDump:", sizeof( char ) );
   ReturnBytesInChar( a );
   printf("\n\nInt var bytes\t:\t%d\nVarDump:", sizeof( int ) );
   ReturnBytesInInt( aIntegerValue );
   putchar(10);
   for ( Draw^=Draw ; Draw != 9+sizeof(int)*7; Draw ++ ) putchar('-');
   printf("\nNotice the similarities ? from the %do byte to the %do of
integer the value equals \rchar's %d byte%c\n", sizeof(unsigned int)-1,
sizeof(unsigned int), sizeof(char), (sizeof(char)>1) ? 's':' ');
   printf("What about diferent capitalizations? \'m\' and \'M\'?\nComputer
see them as their values, and not letters...\n");
   printf("See it as :\n\n\tAs value(\'m\') != value(\'M\')
=>(implies)\n\t\t 'M' != 'm' \nAnd we can see it by the same functions
above...");
   printf("mess with them, and learn... and \rsee functions like fgetc() and
try to understand why they are \'buggy\'");
   scanf("%c",&a);
}
</CODE>





Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2008 11:20:28 +1200
From: dee...@gm...
To: dev...@li...
Subject: [Dev-C++] Char datatype

hello all,
i would like to know if the CHAR datatype is case-sensitive??
i.e. should i write code like this to recognise the character or not

e.g.
char = category;
if (category == 'M') or (category == 'm')

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Per Westermark sez,

> No, I do not think you understand the other warnings.
> 
> You should not treat them as warnings, since in reality
> they are not warnings but errors. You have completely 
> misunderstood the strcat() function.

Um... it's not that its just a misunderstanding of what
a string is in C.  In a lot of languages, strings are
really strings, with a defined length, and helpful 
built in stuff to allocate memory for them etc etc.

In C a string is nothing more than an static array of 
char.  Hopefully with a NULL char marking the end of the
string.  Thats hopefully because if it's not there
then really bad things happen because C doesn't have
bounds checking on arrays.  Which means it's very 
easy to do things like copy data past the end of a
string, thus corrupting memory.

PS: When I get a warning I always look to see what is 
causing it and then do the appropriate cast or what
not to make it go away.

Mr Foo

Jan : Hi there :D I'll assume you've read the excellent response by Per Westermark, so your prob is WinMain@16 ? well, this actually is a Linker error... the linker is complaining because PE files do contain, like every other executable formats an Entry Point. This, in C, are main our WinMain functions ( the latter in case, of win32 executables obviously. ) now if you do not provide a entry point for your program then there is no way the linker can calculate the offset of your functions,Data, and ultimatly instructions from the starting address, the latter being *roughfly* the entry point(main/WinMain)... :D Get it ? > From: jan...@vo...> To: dev...@li...> Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2008 03:49:35 +0200> Subject: [Dev-C++] The Winmain function> > Hello,> > maybe it is clear but I am a little bit confused.> > This is the source code:> > #include<stdio.h>> #include<string.h>> > const char *module_name = "conf_proces.c";> > const char *conf_file_name = "..\\conf\\conf.xml";> > int conf_file_read(const char *in_conf_file_name)> {> const char *function_name = "conf_file_read";> const char *err_msg;> int i;> FILE *p_fo;> > /*open and read the conf file*/> if ((p_fo = fopen (conf_file_name, "r")) == NULL)> {> /* ERROR PROCESSING */> err_msg = strcat ("Cannot open the configuration file: ", strcat> (in_conf_file_name, "\n"));> /* write_err (module_name, function_name, err_msg); */> }> > > if ( (i = (fclose (p_fo) != 0)))> {> /* ERROR PROCESSING */> err_msg = strcat ("Cannot close the configuration file: ", strcat> (in_conf_file_name, "\n"));> /* write_err (module_name, function_name, err_msg); */> }> return 0;> }> > And this is the gcc outpput:> C:\Documents and Settings\Jan Mura\_myhome\dev\dialogues\src>gcc > conf_process.c> conf_process.c: In function `conf_file_read':> conf_process.c:27: warning: passing arg 1 of `strcat' discards qualifiers > from p> ointer target type> conf_process.c:36: warning: passing arg 1 of `strcat' discards qualifiers > from p> ointer target type> C:/Dev-Cpp/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/3.4.2/../../../libmingw32.a(main.o)(.text+0x10> 6):main.c: undefined reference to `WinMain@16'> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status> > It is ok with these warnings, I understand it.> But I don't understand what means the error message about the WinMain > function. There is no main neither WinMain. I don't use windows.h, Win > components or anything like that.> > Jan Mura> jan...@vo...> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------> Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace.> It's the best place to buy or sell services for> just about anything Open Source.> http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;164216239;13503038;w?http://sf.net/marketplace> _______________________________________________> Dev-cpp-users mailing list> Dev...@li...> TO UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www23.brinkster.com/noicys/devcpp/ub.htm> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dev-cpp-users
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deeps6ix
 
         Well, even though other estimeed members have already answered this, let me explain why char is case-sensitive; I kinda get the feeling, by your question, you do not fully understand what a char is.         The datatype 'char' is a "virtual conception", in that a 'char' = 1 byte, and represents an entry of ASCII table.         The 'char' type does not exist in terms that it is really a integer. 
         Every entry of the ASCII table features a value and a charater. the first 31 entries consist of teletype control codes, like carriage return ( legacy typewriter thing, that you had to do when you wanted to change lines. )
         The following 96 entries features common letters, numbers and pontuaction stuff.
         This, obviously represents the first 127 entries, that are, also the maximum value a byte ( signed ) can achive...
         but looking into ASCII table reveals Value('M') = 77 and Value('m') = 109, therefore 'm' != 'M'         
Check out this code, execution gives more info :
<CODE LANG="C">         
#include <stdio.h>
int ReturnBytesInChar( unsigned char ch )    {    /* Right shhifts bits out, to AND with 0000 0001*/    int i;    for ( i=7*sizeof( char ) ; i >=0 ; i-- )      printf("%d", (ch >> i) & 1 );    }int ReturnBytesInInt( unsigned int ch )    {    int i;    for ( i=7*sizeof(int) ; i >=0 ; i-- )      printf("%d", ( ch >> i ) & 1);    }
int main ()       {      char a = 'a';   unsigned int  aIntegerValue = 97;   unsigned int Draw;   printf("Is a char = \'a\' equal a int = 97?\n\n");   if ( a == aIntegerValue )      printf("Wow, they do ? WTF!");   else       printf("Nah! this guys is full of bollogny"); // This will never happen!!! heheh humor, hehe   printf ("\n\nBut.. numbers of bytes allocatted for a char variable are %d and for a integer one %d\n...How can this be?", sizeof(char),sizeof(int));   printf("\n\nSimple dude :\n Check this table :\n");   for ( Draw^=Draw ; Draw != 9+sizeof(int)*7; Draw ++ ) putchar('-');   printf("\n\nChar bytes\t:\t%d\nVarDump:", sizeof( char ) );   ReturnBytesInChar( a );   printf("\n\nInt var bytes\t:\t%d\nVarDump:", sizeof( int ) );   ReturnBytesInInt( aIntegerValue );   putchar(10);   for ( Draw^=Draw ; Draw != 9+sizeof(int)*7; Draw ++ ) putchar('-');   printf("\nNotice the similarities ? from the %do byte to the %do of integer the value equals \rchar's %d byte%c\n", sizeof(unsigned int)-1, sizeof(unsigned int), sizeof(char), (sizeof(char)>1) ? 's':' ');      printf("What about diferent capitalizations? \'m\' and \'M\'?\nComputer see them as their values, and not letters...\n");   printf("See it as :\n\n\tAs value(\'m\') != value(\'M\') =>(implies)\n\t\t 'M' != 'm' \nAnd we can see it by the same functions above...");   printf("mess with them, and learn... and \rsee functions like fgetc() and try to understand why they are \'buggy\'");   scanf("%c",&a); }</CODE>
 


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On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Michal Molhanec wrote:

> Per Westermark napsal(a):
> > On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Michal Molhanec wrote:
> >
> >> André Macário Barros napsal(a):
> >>>                    ------xxx------
> >>>
> >>>    I present to you this scenario because of the following:
> >>> In the early 80´s, the old 2-diskettes Turbo C was used in
> >>> EE to develop a lot of systems. BCC (Borland C++) v5&6 provides
> >> Do you mean Borland C++ Builder 5 & 6 ? Borland C++ was name for a
> >> completely different product.
> >
> > No, I really think he means the original Borland C++, i.e. the successor
> > to the Turbo C/C++ since the courses spends a large amount of time on
> > development of command-line tools. Builder puts it's weight on
> > development of GUI applications.
>
> But André mentions that they are using VCL. So it must be Borland C++
> Builder because original Borland C++ does not support it, just OWL and
> MFC. Also Borland C++ 6 doesn't exists, last was 5.5.

You might be correct. It was quite a long time since I dropped the Borland
compilers, and went for Watcom, M$, gcc besides embedded compilers. I did
some work with OWL before switching to MFC.

>
> Also two of those four years they are teaching windows apps.
>
> >>> and, if you are interested to talk about this, here are my
> >>> questions:
> >>>    a) In the showed scenario how would you struct the
> >>>       4-year disciplines?
> >> If I haven't to stick with ANSI-C, I would probably go with .Net/C#, but
> >> I understand your motivation. However the problem is that nobody uses
> >> ANSI-C for GUI development, nor there is pure ANSI-C IDE for GUI
> >> applications.
> >
> > .Net/C# are not suitable tools when the students are expected to develop
> > embedded applications. How many microcontrollers do you think have a .NET
> > support library? The processor may possibly have 1kB .. 512kB of program
> > memory, and 16 byte .. 64kB of RAM.
>
> yes, but as I understand the course description the target of it is to
> write standard PC apps which will through USB or another port comunicate
> with external systems
>
Yes. But C++ means that they continue to build on their existing
knowledge, and that any programming improvements they make can to some
part be "moved back" to embedded programming. If the goal is the CS route,
then they should learn quite a number of languaes - procedural,
functional, parallell, ... By knowing a large number of languages, you can
quickly pick up speed with yet more languages. On the other hand, it may
take somewhile to be even decent in any language at all. I don't want
people who are just so-so with a language to write the OS or the hardware
drivers for a computer I'm going to use.

Remember that graphical applications are no longer limited to PC machines.
You have mobile phones, PDAs, digital books, ... M$ very much wants to
corner the market - or actually all markets - but we are not there yet.
Not everyone want to pay the license for an embedded Windows installation
just because they have built a new copier with touch screen.

/pwm

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Per Westermark napsal(a):
> On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Michal Molhanec wrote:
> 
>> André Macário Barros napsal(a):
>>>                    ------xxx------
>>>
>>>    I present to you this scenario because of the following:
>>> In the early 80´s, the old 2-diskettes Turbo C was used in
>>> EE to develop a lot of systems. BCC (Borland C++) v5&6 provides
>> Do you mean Borland C++ Builder 5 & 6 ? Borland C++ was name for a
>> completely different product.
> 
> No, I really think he means the original Borland C++, i.e. the successor
> to the Turbo C/C++ since the courses spends a large amount of time on
> development of command-line tools. Builder puts it's weight on
> development of GUI applications.

But André mentions that they are using VCL. So it must be Borland C++ 
Builder because original Borland C++ does not support it, just OWL and 
MFC. Also Borland C++ 6 doesn't exists, last was 5.5.

Also two of those four years they are teaching windows apps.

>>> and, if you are interested to talk about this, here are my
>>> questions:
>>>    a) In the showed scenario how would you struct the
>>>       4-year disciplines?
>> If I haven't to stick with ANSI-C, I would probably go with .Net/C#, but
>> I understand your motivation. However the problem is that nobody uses
>> ANSI-C for GUI development, nor there is pure ANSI-C IDE for GUI
>> applications.
> 
> .Net/C# are not suitable tools when the students are expected to develop
> embedded applications. How many microcontrollers do you think have a .NET
> support library? The processor may possibly have 1kB .. 512kB of program
> memory, and 16 byte .. 64kB of RAM.

yes, but as I understand the course description the target of it is to 
write standard PC apps which will through USB or another port comunicate 
with external systems

No, I do not think you understand the other warnings.

You should not treat them as warnings, since in reality they are not
warnings but errors. You have completely misunderstood the strcat()
function.

It's prototype is:
char *strcat(char *dest, const char *src);

Notice that the second parameter has the 'const' keyword, but not the
first. That is absolutely vital! Why? Because the first parameter is a
target buffer that will be _modified_ by the call! The second parameter is
const because it will only be read.

Anything pointer or buffer you use as first parameter must have write
access and have enough room to hold the resulting string.

What do you think happens when you do:
err_msg = strcat ("Cannot open the configuration file: ",
strcat(in_conf_file_name, "\n"));

Hint:
Your file name in in_conf_file_name will be modified to also contain a
"\n".

But in_conf_file_name lies in memory you do not own, and hence are not
allowed to write to.

Also, the text string "Cannot open the configuration file: " will also be
used as a destination buffer, and will have the file name and a "\n"
appended to it. But where is the room for that extra text? And MinGW will
place the string literal in read-only memory, so your program will be
terminated!

strcat() is not a function that magically glues together two strings and
returns a pointer to some internal magic result.

It is a function that takes a first argument and extends it with a second
string. After that, it will return a pointer to this first (now already
modified) argument.

So, you can use strcat() as:
char buf[100];
char *res;

strcpy(buf,"Hello");
strcat(buf," World!");
printf("%s\n",buf);

or you can write:
strcpy(buf,"Hello");
printf("%s\n",strcat(buf," World!"));

or you can write:
printf("%s\n",strcat(strcpy(buf,"Hello")," World!"));

or you can write:
res = strcat(strcpy(buf,"Hello")," World!");
printf("%s\n",res);

but you can not write:
res = strcat("Hello"," World!");

But in the end, why not just write:
char error_buf[500];
snprintf(error_buf,sizeof(error_buf),"Can not open the configuration file
%s",conf_file_name);

strcat is used for glueing together strings.
s(n)printf is used for creating formatted output.
You are not interested in concatenating any strings...

/pwm

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Jan Mura wrote:

> Hello,
>
> maybe it is clear but I am a little bit confused.
>
> This is the source code:
>
> #include<stdio.h>
> #include<string.h>
>
> const char *module_name = "conf_proces.c";
>
> const char *conf_file_name = "..\\conf\\conf.xml";
>
> int conf_file_read(const char *in_conf_file_name)
> {
> const char *function_name = "conf_file_read";
> const char *err_msg;
> int i;
> FILE *p_fo;
>
> /*open and read the conf file*/
> if ((p_fo = fopen (conf_file_name, "r")) == NULL)
> {
> /* ERROR PROCESSING */
> err_msg = strcat ("Cannot open the configuration file: ", strcat
> (in_conf_file_name, "\n"));
> /* write_err (module_name, function_name, err_msg); */
> }
>
>
> if ( (i = (fclose (p_fo) != 0)))
> {
> /* ERROR PROCESSING */
> err_msg = strcat ("Cannot close the configuration file: ", strcat
> (in_conf_file_name, "\n"));
> /* write_err (module_name, function_name, err_msg); */
> }
> return 0;
> }
>
> And this is the gcc outpput:
> C:\Documents and Settings\Jan Mura\_myhome\dev\dialogues\src>gcc
> conf_process.c
> conf_process.c: In function `conf_file_read':
> conf_process.c:27: warning: passing arg 1 of `strcat' discards qualifiers
> from p
> ointer target type
> conf_process.c:36: warning: passing arg 1 of `strcat' discards qualifiers
> from p
> ointer target type
> C:/Dev-Cpp/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/3.4.2/../../../libmingw32.a(main.o)(.text+0x10
> 6):main.c: undefined reference to `WinMain@16'
> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
>
> It is ok with these warnings, I understand it.
> But I don't understand what means the error message about the WinMain
> function. There is no main neither WinMain. I don't use windows.h, Win
> components or anything like that.
>
> Jan Mura
> jan...@vo...

On Sun, 30 Mar 2008, Michal Molhanec wrote:

> André Macário Barros napsal(a):
> >                    ------xxx------
> >
> >    I present to you this scenario because of the following:
> > In the early 80´s, the old 2-diskettes Turbo C was used in
> > EE to develop a lot of systems. BCC (Borland C++) v5&6 provides
>
> Do you mean Borland C++ Builder 5 & 6 ? Borland C++ was name for a
> completely different product.

No, I really think he means the original Borland C++, i.e. the successor
to the Turbo C/C++ since the courses spends a large amount of time on
development of command-line tools. Builder puts it's weight on
development of GUI applications.

Just a note: The original Borland compiler and the Turbo Debugger are
still available. They have been bought by a different company, and are
sold as Paradigm C++ Professional, and are targeted for development for
x86 embedded platforms. With the Paradigm linker, it is ossible map code
blocks to specific memory regions. With the Paradigm debugger, it is
possible to use the serial port or JTAG to debug an x86 target.

>
> > a way to the EE student to develop systems without the formal
> > need to work in OO. I think most of this is devoted to the
> > Component Based Programming style. Inside each one of the functions
> > the ANSI-C is used. Minimal VCL (Virtual Component Library) is
> > used (example: fscanf vs LoadFromFile). Not only in this EE course
> > but in a lot of others, I found this technical behavior (to
> > prefer the BCC tool). But BCC is stopped and it is necessary to
> > migrate to another IDE and, perhaps another way of discipline
> > structuring.
>
> What do you mean stopped? C++ Builder has new version nearly each year,
> latest to be found at: http://www.codegear.com/products/cppbuilder
>
> >
> >                    ------xxx------
> >
> >    I know you guys like to talk a lot more than Dev-Cpp here
> > and, if you are interested to talk about this, here are my
> > questions:
> >    a) In the showed scenario how would you struct the
> >       4-year disciplines?
>
> If I haven't to stick with ANSI-C, I would probably go with .Net/C#, but
> I understand your motivation. However the problem is that nobody uses
> ANSI-C for GUI development, nor there is pure ANSI-C IDE for GUI
> applications.

.Net/C# are not suitable tools when the students are expected to develop
embedded applications. How many microcontrollers do you think have a .NET
support library? The processor may possibly have 1kB .. 512kB of program
memory, and 16 byte .. 64kB of RAM.

Learning to program in C for the embedded side and in C# for the Windows
side may help the students to learn multiple languages which later helps
them learn a third or a fourth programming language. However, that is the
cs way of doing things. It may loose the studens a lot of time that they
may need better for their embedded work.

Going C++ for the PC side has the advantage that it is more similar to C,
and as the high-end microcontrollers gets more powerful, more and more
development tools will support C++. Remember that C++ was originally
developed with C compatibility as a primary cornerstone. The latest C
standard means that C is no longer a strict subset of C++, but close
enough. The important thing is that you can take a C program, and bit by
bit rewrite it into a full C++ program.

Anyway, I feel that OO programming is important. People may not get the
code reusability that they initially expect, but it is my experience that
the additional encapsulation helps to reduce the maintenance costs
significantly. And as long as the microcontroller has a real stack and
registers capable of real pointer operations, it is possible to write "C
programs with objects", without significantly change the memory
requirements or the running speed of the embedded application. You skip
any C++ libraries, templates etc but at least makes use of the C++ classes
for abstraction.

>
> >    b) With your changed (a) scenario, what IDE do you
> >       recommend?
>
> MSVC or SharpDevelop
>
> >    c) Without changing the showed scenario, do you
> >       know any other tool that does the same work of BCC?
>
> BCC :-)
>
> >    d) Am I wrong about MSVC? Can I do the same Component Based
> >       Programming using ANSI-C in the most parts of the code?
>
> I don't see big difference between MFC and VCL. On the other hand, I
> don't think MSVC will ever have MFC-based GUI builder comparable to BCC.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------

Jan Mura napsal(a):
> function. There is no main neither WinMain. I don't use windows.h, Win 
> components or anything like that.

If there is no main or WinMain you can only compile it (Ctrl+F9) but not 
run.

André Macário Barros napsal(a):
>                    ------xxx------
> 
>    I present to you this scenario because of the following:
> In the early 80´s, the old 2-diskettes Turbo C was used in
> EE to develop a lot of systems. BCC (Borland C++) v5&6 provides

Do you mean Borland C++ Builder 5 & 6 ? Borland C++ was name for a 
completely different product.

> a way to the EE student to develop systems without the formal
> need to work in OO. I think most of this is devoted to the
> Component Based Programming style. Inside each one of the functions
> the ANSI-C is used. Minimal VCL (Virtual Component Library) is
> used (example: fscanf vs LoadFromFile). Not only in this EE course
> but in a lot of others, I found this technical behavior (to
> prefer the BCC tool). But BCC is stopped and it is necessary to
> migrate to another IDE and, perhaps another way of discipline
> structuring.

What do you mean stopped? C++ Builder has new version nearly each year, 
latest to be found at: http://www.codegear.com/products/cppbuilder

> 
>                    ------xxx------
> 
>    I know you guys like to talk a lot more than Dev-Cpp here
> and, if you are interested to talk about this, here are my
> questions:
>    a) In the showed scenario how would you struct the
>       4-year disciplines?

If I haven't to stick with ANSI-C, I would probably go with .Net/C#, but 
I understand your motivation. However the problem is that nobody uses 
ANSI-C for GUI development, nor there is pure ANSI-C IDE for GUI 
applications.

>    b) With your changed (a) scenario, what IDE do you
>       recommend?

MSVC or SharpDevelop

>    c) Without changing the showed scenario, do you
>       know any other tool that does the same work of BCC?

BCC :-)

>    d) Am I wrong about MSVC? Can I do the same Component Based
>       Programming using ANSI-C in the most parts of the code?

I don't see big difference between MFC and VCL. On the other hand, I 
don't think MSVC will ever have MFC-based GUI builder comparable to BCC.

Hello,

maybe it is clear but I am a little bit confused.

This is the source code:

#include<stdio.h>
#include<string.h>

const char *module_name = "conf_proces.c";

const char *conf_file_name = "..\\conf\\conf.xml";

int conf_file_read(const char *in_conf_file_name)
{
const char *function_name = "conf_file_read";
const char *err_msg;
int i;
FILE *p_fo;

/*open and read the conf file*/
if ((p_fo = fopen (conf_file_name, "r")) == NULL)
{
/* ERROR PROCESSING */
err_msg = strcat ("Cannot open the configuration file: ", strcat
(in_conf_file_name, "\n"));
/* write_err (module_name, function_name, err_msg); */
}


if ( (i = (fclose (p_fo) != 0)))
{
/* ERROR PROCESSING */
err_msg = strcat ("Cannot close the configuration file: ", strcat
(in_conf_file_name, "\n"));
/* write_err (module_name, function_name, err_msg); */
}
return 0;
}

And this is the gcc outpput:
C:\Documents and Settings\Jan Mura\_myhome\dev\dialogues\src>gcc 
conf_process.c
conf_process.c: In function `conf_file_read':
conf_process.c:27: warning: passing arg 1 of `strcat' discards qualifiers 
from p
ointer target type
conf_process.c:36: warning: passing arg 1 of `strcat' discards qualifiers 
from p
ointer target type
C:/Dev-Cpp/bin/../lib/gcc/mingw32/3.4.2/../../../libmingw32.a(main.o)(.text+0x10
6):main.c: undefined reference to `WinMain@16'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

It is ok with these warnings, I understand it.
But I don't understand what means the error message about the WinMain 
function. There is no main neither WinMain. I don't use windows.h, Win 
components or anything like that.

Jan Mura
jan...@vo...
 

The "native" way is the one you selected, i.e. dual backslash.

However, the "compatible" whay to do it is to use a single forward slash
instead, i.e. "../path/filename".

The C RTL on Windows will automagically translate the forward slash into a
backward slash before sending the string to the OS.

/pwm

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008, Jan Mura wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I need to put in a char const a full Windows path to a file.
> I.e. i did it as follows
>
> fopen ("..\path\filename", "r");
>
> It puts down some warnings about unknown escape characters.
> So I rewrite it to :
>
> fopen ("..\\path\\filename", "r");
>
> Is this correct?
>
> Thank you
>
> Jan Mura
> jan...@vo...
>
>
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On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 8:46 AM, Jan Mura <jan...@vo...> wrote:
> Hello,
>
>  I need to put in a char const a full Windows path to a file.
>  I.e. i did it as follows
>
>  fopen ("..\path\filename", "r");
>
>  It puts down some warnings about unknown escape characters.
>  So I rewrite it to :
>
>  fopen ("..\\path\\filename", "r");
>
>  Is this correct?

Yes, that is correct.

The '\' character is an escape character, used to make characters that
are special (eg '\'' get's me a single quote mark).

By escaping the escape character you get a single backwhack.

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Hello,

I need to put in a char const a full Windows path to a file.
I.e. i did it as follows

fopen ("..\path\filename", "r");

It puts down some warnings about unknown escape characters.
So I rewrite it to :

fopen ("..\\path\\filename", "r");

Is this correct?

Thank you

Jan Mura
jan...@vo...

Dear Users,

   The EE(Electrical Engineering) course where I
work has, between other disciplines, four 1-year
Computer Program disciplines.
   The "most close" disciplines to a computer are:
Microprocessors, and Digital Electronics, and
Reconfigurable Computing.
   The main goal of the 4-disciplines is to able
the student to develop applications in the computer
to manage external systems through USB, serial and
parallel ports. Being capable of do this, apps like
robot arms, wire & wireless communications, etc are
implemented (the other disciplines take care of the
remaining topics).
   In this context the present-day situation is:
   1st year: algorithms and basic programming with
             Dos/Console;
   2nd year: intermidiate programming with Dos/Console;
   3rd year: Basic & Intermediate Windows Apps, basics
             of computer architecture, programming through
             paralell & serial port;
   4th year: Full systems with Windows Apps and programming
             through USB port.
   To provide a compatible learning, we decided to teach
ANSI-C programming because this same type of code can be
used in some microcontrollers (Microprocessors discipline)
and the C2H (C To Hardware) tool in Reconfigurable
Computing.
   We thought in the following way: there aren´t other
disciplines like Software Engineering (to teach UML), Data
Structures (... no comments!) and Systems Project & Analysis.
Because of this, it was decided only to provide a basic
learning of how to create a class, how to instanciate it and
how to re-utilize it.
   Because of this scenario I consider very difficult to work
with the students with Visual C++ (MFC... etc).

                   ------xxx------

   I present to you this scenario because of the following:
In the early 80´s, the old 2-diskettes Turbo C was used in
EE to develop a lot of systems. BCC (Borland C++) v5&6 provides
a way to the EE student to develop systems without the formal
need to work in OO. I think most of this is devoted to the
Component Based Programming style. Inside each one of the functions
the ANSI-C is used. Minimal VCL (Virtual Component Library) is
used (example: fscanf vs LoadFromFile). Not only in this EE course
but in a lot of others, I found this technical behavior (to
prefer the BCC tool). But BCC is stopped and it is necessary to
migrate to another IDE and, perhaps another way of discipline
structuring.

                   ------xxx------

   I know you guys like to talk a lot more than Dev-Cpp here
and, if you are interested to talk about this, here are my
questions:
   a) In the showed scenario how would you struct the
      4-year disciplines?
   b) With your changed (a) scenario, what IDE do you
      recommend?
   c) Without changing the showed scenario, do you
      know any other tool that does the same work of BCC?
   d) Am I wrong about MSVC? Can I do the same Component Based
      Programming using ANSI-C in the most parts of the code?

Thank you, people!

Regards
Andre



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Yes, it is definitely case sensitive. If you have a lot of options to check and a single variable that contains the current one, you could always use the function tolower which will make life a bit easier for you in that case. You just convert it to a lowercase before you start checking and then you don't need to bother about it.

Regards
Philip Bennefall
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Deepesh Kapadia 
  To: dev...@li... 
  Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 12:20 AM
  Subject: [Dev-C++] Char datatype


  hello all,
  i would like to know if the CHAR datatype is case-sensitive??
  i.e. should i write code like this to recognise the character or not

  e.g. 
  char = category;
  if (category == 'M') or (category == 'm')

  cheers..

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Of course it is case-sensitive. If it wasn't, you wouldn't be able to
write any application that must be able to separate upper and lower case.

/pwm

On Sat, 29 Mar 2008, Deepesh Kapadia wrote:

> hello all,
> i would like to know if the CHAR datatype is case-sensitive??
> i.e. should i write code like this to recognise the character or not
>
> e.g.
> char = category;
> if (category == 'M') or (category == 'm')
>
> cheers..
>
> --
> ---Deepesh Kapadia---
>