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November 12

November 12, 2024 (2024-11-12) (Tuesday)

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RD: John Horgan

Article: John Horgan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Global News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Canadian politician, Premier of British Columbia from 2017 to 2022. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (Goodbye!) 19:55, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Vardis Vardinogiannis

Article: Vardis Vardinogiannis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP News, ABC News
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Greek business magnate. 240F:7A:6253:1:8587:A6EF:467D:AEA4 (talk) 15:39, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Welby resigns

 
Article: Justin Welby (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns after covering up an abuse scandal in the Church of England. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns following criticism of his handling of an abuse scandal in the Church of England.
News source(s): BBC
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Article updated

 Mjroots (talk) 14:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

wait? I don't know the terms that may be being used, but I think we could wait until Welby's successor is named to post it. Being the most important ecclesiastical figure (after British monarch) of an important worldwide branch of Christianism, I do consider this change ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 14:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We don't need to wait. Welby's resignation is the story. Mjroots (talk) 14:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reason for the resignation is important. In this case, I prefer to blurb the resignation, not the successor. Grimes2 (talk) 14:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It will take weeks, if not months, to name a successor anyway. Agree that the story is the resignation itself. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 15:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't associate the Anglican church with the Catholic church. Scuba 15:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
an important branch of Catholicism The Church of England is rather famously *not* a branch of Catholicism. AusLondonder (talk) 16:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
that's what I'm saying. Scuba 16:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I'm replying to Alsoriano97. AusLondonder (talk) 16:27, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
totally right, I was talking about Christianity, not Catholicism. My bad. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
np, sorry for the confusion. Scuba 16:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Soft Oppose with only 26 million baptized, and of that only 5.5 million practicing members as of 2010, the Anglican church isn't a major world player in global religions. When the United Methodist Church with it's 5.9 million practicing members repealed bans on LGBTQ clergy and same-sex marriage we didn't include that in ITN, so why would we include the Anglican leadership change? Scuba 16:03, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly disagree. I think your numbers are for the Church of England specifically. The worldwide Anglican Communion has about 85 million practitioners, making it the third largest Christian denomination (communion) after the Catholic Church and Eastern Orthodoxy. The bishop of Canterbury is the closest thing to its pope or (even closer analogy) ecumenical patriarch. Also, this is a pretty rare change, he's been in the position for over a decade. We posted his appointment in 2012. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And: The methodists are a separation from the Church of England. Grimes2 (talk) 16:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lutherans are a separation from the catholic church, but you wouldn't call them catholic. Scuba 16:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was unaware of his appointment in 2012, I wasn't editing at the time, but rules and norms change, especially in the decade + since then. Again, there are only 26 million baptized Anglicans, but sure, lets consider the Episcopalians whose entire church is a rejection of the CoE and the Archbishop and the Crown, and other groups like them, as Anglican for some reason to boost that up to 86 million.
There are ~1.3 billion Catholics of ~2.4 billion Christians. That means only 3.58% of Christians (and again that's with bloating their numbers considerably) are Anglican. That simply isn't a large enough congregation. We don't post leadership changes for Methodists, Baptists, or other protestant denominations. Why should we with Anglicans?
Also Archbishop of Canterbury isn't even the top of the Anglican church's leadership, the King is. Scuba 16:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We in fact did post the leadership change for the largest branch of Mormonism in 2018, which "only" has 17 million adherents. For comparison, the median population of UN member states is around 9 million.
The British monarch is the head of the CoE, not (the rest of) the Anglican Communion. And the Episcopal Church in the US is definitely not a "rejection" of the CoE and the Archbishop of Canterbury — it's in full communion with the CoE and looks at the Archbishop of Canterbury as a figurehead, like the rest of the Anglican Communion does. Episcopalians do reject the Crown as an authority, but once again that only undermines your argument about the King being at the top of the hierarchy. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mormons aren't Christian and haven't been recognized as such by any mainstream christian group.
The Episocpoalins where literally founded as a rejection of the oaths of loyalty to the crown and CoE, their governing body is the General Convention of the Episcopal Church in the United States of America. Scuba 16:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Whether Mormons are considered Christian or not is actually kinda irrelevant to the argument as far as ITN is concerned; they are a broadly comparable religious body and we posted their change in leadership. And as I said, Episcopalians reject the crown, but they have always been inspired by and in communion with the CoE. The Episcopal Church website talks about Justin Welby extensively. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 16:59, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh I agree, the Mormon president changing shouldn't be included in ITN.
Wrapping all vaguely Anglican churches together as being under the direct administration of the CoE is a backhanded way to bloat CoE numbers. Scuba 17:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He was the ceremonial head of the worldwide Anglican Communion. Grimes2 (talk) 17:23, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The news item is about the Archbishop of Canterbury ultimately. He is relevant to the Anglican Church as well as CoE. So including Anglican membership is relevant. The actual numbers of CoE specifically do not matter. La Ovo (talk) 18:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks good. The archbishop of Canterbury is the principal head of the Church of England and the leader of the worldwide Anglican church community. Notable religious figure and the circumstances of his resignation is newsworthy as well. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article seems good enough; there are two {{cn}}s but not about any important claims. I agree with others who say that this meets the significance threshold. He was the ceremonial head of the worldwide Anglican Communion. While the Anglican Communion is not as tightly knit in terms of dogma or organization as, say, the Catholic Church, Anglicanism is one of the main traditional branches of Protestantism and the Communion's 85 million adherents are nothing to scoff at. Welby played an important role in trying to keep the Communion from falling apart due to disagreements over LGBT matters and other issues. 98.170.164.88 (talk) 17:33, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Should "abuse scandal" in the hook be piped as abuse scandal so readers will know what's being referred to? Ericoides (talk) 18:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy to leave that to the posting admin's discretion. We could possibly lose the initial "The" too. Mjroots (talk) 18:44, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:EASTER 🔥Jalapeño🔥 contribs 19:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OK, something like: Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby (pictured) resigns after covering up the John Smyth abuse scandal. Ericoides (talk) 19:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Baldwin de Toeni (talk) 19:20, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Cover up" is explicitly used in the BBC source used in the nom. Mjroots (talk) 19:26, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt Significant resignation of a major religious figure in a major religious denomination following a scandal would justify ITN inclusion. Alt blurb is moderately better worded than the original blurb. Article itself looks fine, though the few CN tags should be fixed ASAP. Sampaioe (talk) 19:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Zhuhai car attack

Article: 2024 Zhuhai car attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A vehicle-ramming attack kills 35 people in Zhuhai, China (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Zhuhai, China, 35 people are killed after a vehicle-ramming attack
News source(s): BBC News
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35 people are a lot. I think the article should be expanded a bit. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 12:18, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Besides the article being far too short to be of quality, this appears to be due to a domestic issue rather than something terrorism-related (the driver was allegedly upset at a divorse ruling that went against him). This is the type of event that is likely not to have long-term enduring coverage and fails NOTNEWS. --Masem (t) 12:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean support Article needs work, but once it reaches start class I'm in favor of a blurb. This is all over the news, much more so than the relatively unknown regional terrorist attack that is currently at the top of the fold. Domestic mass murders are still notable, especially in a country where fatalities are unlikely to reach more than a dozen. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait and support when article is good enough Arguably a more exceptional event than an attack by a longstanding terror group, which we posted (and should have, to be clear). Bremps... 14:22, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I'd argue that this is more significant than an attack by an existing group - those are almost to be expected at this point, and 35 people is an enormous amount for a vehicle attack. Minerman30 (talk) 15:10, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Song Jae-rim

Article: Song Jae-rim (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India, Soompi
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 Royiswariii Talk! 11:37, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 11

November 11, 2024 (2024-11-11) (Monday)

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RD: John Robinson

Article: John Robinson (American football coach) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American football coach, 2nd most wins in Los Angeles Rams history. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 00:53, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 10

November 10, 2024 (2024-11-10) (Sunday)

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Prime Minister of Haiti

 
Article: Alix Didier Fils-Aimé (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Transitional Presidential Council appoints Alix Didier Fils-Aimé (pictured) as the acting Prime Minister of Haiti after dismissing Garry Conille. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Articles are a bit stubby Bremps... 23:29, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

soft oppose this is the 4th acting prime minister since Haiti collapsed. Maybe we should start omitting them, but there is an argument to make per ITN/R since this is a head of government. Scuba 17:51, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 Mauritian general election

 
Article: 2024 Mauritian general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Labour Party wins the 2024 Mauritian general election with their leader Navin Ramgoolam (pictured) to be named Prime Minister (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Alliance du Changement, led by Navin Ramgoolam (pictured), wins the Mauritian general election
Alternative blurb II: ​ The opposition, lead by Navinchandra Ramgoolam (pictured), wins a landslide victory in the 2024 Mauritian general election
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Article needs to be updated, the results have yet to be added, but this is ITN/R when it's ready Scuba 15:01, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Enough returns are in that the loser conceded. Article seems fine. Bremps... 23:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hold until we have some sense of the vote totals. At that point, procedural support as ITN/R This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:24, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: National election and the article is in good enough shape. Prodrummer619 (talk) 15:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support : Various reputable sources, national and international, relevant for the historically only stable democracy of Africa — Preceding unsigned comment added by Varoon2542 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bruce Degen

Article: Bruce Degen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Illustrator of The Magic School Bus (book series). Thriley (talk) 01:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The article is now fully sourced. toweli (talk) 17:28, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 9

November 9, 2024 (2024-11-09) (Saturday)

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RD: Bobby Allison

Article: Bobby Allison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS Sports
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Hall of Fame NASCAR driver and 3-times Daytona 500 winner. 240F:7A:6253:1:D48F:9A79:A7A8:F331 (talk) 13:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Tone problem and some sections are uncited. Rynoip (talk) 19:44, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Delhi Ganesh

Article: Delhi Ganesh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Prominent Indian actor and having done versatile roles in over 400 films. Has won Tamil Nadu State Film Award Special Prize and Kalaimamani Awards. Abishe (talk) 08:33, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Judith Jamison

Article: Judith Jamison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American dancer, article in good shape. I honestly still don’t have a good sense of when we blurb, but she was a historic figure in the arts. Innisfree987 (talk) 02:56, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Quetta bombing

Article: 2024 Quetta railway station bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Pakistan, at least 26 people are killed and 62 are injured in a Balochistan Liberation Army suicide bombing at the Quetta railway station. (Post)
News source(s): AP News, Al Jazeera, NPR, BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Major terrorist attack in Pakistan. Article seems short but adequate. The Kip (contribs) 19:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Major fatal terror attack at one of the largest, busiest and most important train stations in the province of Balochistan. Bloxzge 025 ツ   (talk) 02:59, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, major notable event. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:23, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Inconsequential ITN nomination, this doesn't appear to be a major headline on BBC, AP, CNN, etc. Additionally, it's unclear on how this will have any significant impact with the security theatre in this region of Pakistan. It's my understanding is that this group has been terrorizing this region for quite some time. Kcmastrpc (talk) 17:32, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The bombing impact was that it significantly increased security measures across Quetta and suspended train operations Bloxzge 025 (talk) 18:05, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are short term impacts. Ideally we're looking for long-term impacts, and this doesn't seem to have moved the needle on the state of terrorism in the region. Masem (t) 18:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Major terrorist attack, significant casualty numbers. Rynoip (talk) 19:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted RD) RD/blurb: Ram Narayan

 
Article: Ram Narayan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Ram Narayan, who popularised the bowed instrument sarangi as a solo concert instrument, dies at age 96 (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ram Narayan, who won the Padma Vibhushan for playing the bowed instrument sarangi, dies at age 96
News source(s): India Today
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian musician, popularised the bowed instrument sarangi as a solo concert instrument Hekerui (talk) 07:50, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD since its a featured article. Prodrummer619 (talk) 13:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb article is of high quality. Scuba 19:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb Seems transformative figure to me. Also, 77 Wikipedia articles is impressive. BilboBeggins (talk) 13:28, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb being transformational is not sufficient to rise to a death blurb. it's unclear what his impact or legacy will be nor is his death being covered all that much internationally. Kcmastrpc (talk) 18:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 8

November 8, 2024 (2024-11-08) (Friday)

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RD: Dorothy Allison

Article: Dorothy Allison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT: Dorothy Allison, Author of ‘Bastard Out of Carolina,’ Dies at 75
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American writer. Died on the 6th but her death was announced on the 8th. Jaguarnik (talk) 20:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Trevor Sorbie

Article: Trevor Sorbie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News, Sky News
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: British celebrity hairdresser. 240F:7A:6253:1:51AD:F63E:8838:41EF (talk) 00:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Alan Rachins

Article: Alan Rachins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post Los Angeles Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: American Actor. News of death might be a bit stale but still nominating. TNM101 (chat) 17:15, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose Article is generally well-cited, with the notable exception of the filmography section at the end. All of it is pretty easily verifiable from google searching. However, in many cases even the target articles do not have a proper citation or even a mention re: Rachins appearance. FlipandFlopped ツ 19:21, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and suggest close STALE. Death was reported on 11/2 (over a week ago). Latest nominations right now are dated for 11/4. Suggesting close since this is stale. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 14:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: June Spencer

Article: June Spencer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: English actress. Fats40boy11 (talk) 17:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support She was playing Peggy Woolley on The Archers before I was born and before the late Queen came to the throne. And she was still playing the part at the age of 103. Just posting her name is quite inadequate to convey the nature of her legendary feat. Just why is it so hard to post a few words or a picture to explain this to our readers? Andrew🐉(talk) 18:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure many outside the UK will know who The Archers were, and even then it only applies to those who listen to Radio 4 or grew up with it. I think you could make a case of reforming RD altogether, but this would merit a much wider discussion. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:56, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article looks good. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Amsterdam attack

Non-admin closure as consensus to post is unlikely to develop. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:58, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: November 2024 Amsterdam attacks (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Israeli soccer fans are attacked in Amsterdam, injuring 10. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Mass pro-Palestinian, anti-Israel violent assaults takes place in Amsterdam, injuring 10.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans are attacked in Amsterdam after a UEFA Europa Leagueassociation football match.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans clash with locals in Amsterdam after a Europa League football match.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Maccabi Tel Aviv fans, pro-Palestinian protestors, and other local residents are attacked during unrest in Amsterdam after a UEFA Europa League association football match.
News source(s): https://edition.cnn.com/2024/11/07/europe/israel-soccer-fans-attacked-amsterdam-intl-hnk/index.html
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Nominator's comments: Article about a recent attack against Israeli citizens after attending a football match. It marked the beginning of a pogrom there. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I've added another blurb related to the topic; given that Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam was created six minutes before November 2024 Amsterdam attacks makes me rethink twice and do two nominations (articles will me merged) in the hope that one of them gets promoted. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:26, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree here, it has had official responses from various politicians, so it has caused a diplomatic incident. Such events are rarely one-sided given an organised and politicised group of football fans were involved. Also the pogrom redirect looks to be heavily WP:LOADED and WP:POV I think this should be deleted. I have added altblurb3in order to give a neutral balance. Abcmaxx (talk) 14:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Everything gets political responses nowadays, the way we write event articles, which is a problem. Reactions really should be focused on actual involvement and steps, and not just stern words or statements of thoughts and prayers, but event articles tend to attract and grow those like kudzu. There's a lot of weight in claiming these reactions are significant that is in the CRYSTAL territory as well. — Masem (t) 14:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes but this is making global headlines; I'm not sure what other involvement you can reasonably expect other than mass arrests and government intervention to bring their citizens home, which is what happened here. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Tons of events get global headlines, but WP is not a newspaper and ITN is not a newsticker. And if that's the extent the actions that result from this event, that's also pushing it towards being a footnote within the larger context of the Israeli conflicts. — Masem (t) 19:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Right but you can't set such a high threshold that only elections and tragic events with x amount deaths get posted, we are already getting to a point where it's becoming near impossible to post anything else. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:10, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose given the earlier disruptions by Israeli fans attacking people in Amsterdam aren’t mentioned idk how anybody could think this is a NPOV. Also oppose on notability. nableezy - 15:10, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, oppose alt blurbs 1-3 on NPOV concerns The level of coverage this is receiving puts this on a similar notability footing to the US College Protests, but Europe's version. I supported posting the protests and support this too. However, I am sympathetic to the NPOV concerns. Looking objectively at the reporting, there is evidence that at least some Maccabi fans were targeting or vandalizing houses and businesses with the Palestinian flag and that Arabs in the area (including a taxi driver) were assaulted prior to the game starting. Omitting this from alt blurbs 1-2 is a NPOV concern. On the other hand, there is obvious video footage that later in the night (after the game had ended), coordinated violence on a much larger scale was directed at the Maccabi fans leaving the stadium; alt blurb 3 leaves the reader with the oversimplified impression that the Maccabi fans "clashed" (i.e. caused violence) with locals. The net result of this is that I support alt blurb 4 (which I have added). FlipandFlopped ツ 19:12, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose clashes between opposing football fans in Europe is very commonplace. This is just given more attention due to the current Middle East situation. No deaths, or major number of injuries. If posted, alt3 is the most neutral blurb to use. To me, "clashes" implies violence / fighting on both sides with no indication of who started in. Natg 19 (talk) 19:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Who is opposing Maccabi here? This isn't football-based violence, it's ethno-political Abcmaxx (talk) 00:02, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurbs 3 and 4; oppose the others. What makes this particular Hooliganism noteworthy is that it's explicitly ethnic violence: Israeli fans engaging in anti-Arab demonstrations in the Netherlands of all places, and residents responding with violence. Also, a lot more than 10 were injured, as of current reporting. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:39, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Natg 19. If it's posted, ALT4 is the best - the rest of them all have NPOV problems going in either direction. The Kip (contribs) 20:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose looks like football hooliganism, I can't remember us posting instances of this to ITN before. Scuba 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per Natg 19 and Scuba, no deaths so far Hungry403 (talk) 02:46, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - relatively minor in the grand scheme of things, violence and football hooliganism by one group after being instigated by the other. RachelTensions (talk) 04:33, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - football hooliganism + WP:POV; all of these blurbs portray the israelites as victims here without showing what they did for this to happen. The background section in the artile is literally bigger than the section on the attack Abo Yemen✉ 05:49, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Massem above. Yakikaki (talk) 14:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Describing an incident of football hooliganism as the "beginning of a pogrom there" in the Netherlands is completely false and ridiculous. Football hooliganism is not uncommon in Europe. The article itself states that "Maccabi Tel Aviv fans had been filmed beforehand burning a Palestinian flag, chanting anti-Arab slurs and not observing the moment of silence for victims of 2024 Spanish floods." The incident was not an "attack" - the article has serious NPOV issues. AusLondonder (talk) 14:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is very clearly NOT just football hooliganism, and none of the major media are presenting it as thus. Even the pro-Palestian Guardian is calling it "attacks on Israeli football fans" (The Guardian). The blatant POV of some of the commentators here, and their both-sides-ism, is despicable and should be discarded. Khuft (talk) 17:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Only in the headline. The source you are citing to argue against "despicable both-sides-ism" goes on to repeatedly describe "incidents on both sides" and "fights on both sides" with both anti-Arab racism and antisemitism being causes of the fighting.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 19:56, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did you even read the article? No-one is denying there were incidents started by the Maccabi fans, but the incidents thereafter targeting Maccabi fans were way more significant and shocking. The article quotes the mayor of Amsterdam, for instance, as follows: “Men on scooters crisscrossed the city looking for Israeli football fans. It was a hit and run. I can easily understand that this brings back memories of pogroms,” Halsema said. “Our city has been deeply damaged. Jewish culture has been deeply threatened. This is an outburst of antisemitism that I hope to never see again.” It's not me saying this - it's the actual mayor of the city where this happened. Khuft (talk) 20:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I did see that the politician placed the blame squarely on one side without acknowledging the other. The police, the source you posted, and reliable sources more generally, acknowledged that incidents and fights occurred on both sides. This discussion about how the story should be framed is better suited for the talk page (where such a discussion is already happening), it's not going to be blurbed.  Vanilla  Wizard 💙 23:11, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: John Nott

 
Article: John Nott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  The last National Liberal MP, John Nott, who was the UK defence secretary during the Falklands war, dies at age 92. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Quite a prominent and memorable figure in his day Andrew🐉(talk) 00:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support RD article quality good enough, not too sure about blurb though. Rynoip (talk) 01:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb - not quite a Churchill or a Kissinger. The party also seems to have been defunct since 1968. Departure– (talk) 13:27, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite?! Not at all. Spartaz Humbug! 15:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, Oppose Blurb article looks good, but being minister of defense during a war 40 years ago doesn't make you notable enough for a blurb. Scuba 21:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, oppose blurb - The article is of sufficient quality to meet RD requirements, but given his role as a former Defence Secretary rather than a head of state or high-impact contemporary figure, a blurb feels unwarranted. His contributions do not reach the level of widespread historical impact typically needed for a standalone blurb. Anopisthograph (talk) 22:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 7

November 7, 2024 (2024-11-07) (Thursday)

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RD: Jürgen Becker (poet)

Article: Jürgen Becker (poet) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Zeit
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Georg Büchner Prize recipient. Grimes2 (talk) 18:48, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Christine Görner

Article: Christine Görner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): her website
Credits:

Article updated
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German soprano who excelled in operetta, musical, film and entertaining music, especially one beloved operetta film. The article just survived a deletion suggestion, so became well sourced. Her death is reported only on her personal website, but what else can we expect about a woman who - if we believe the German Wikipedia - suffered a stroke 5 years ago and since lived in Italy with her son, where she died (on 30 October, but the first trace appeared here on 7 November) and was buried. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pim Sierks

Article: Pim Sierks (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DVNH (NL)
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Dutch pilot. Article requires some work. Ktin (talk) 05:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Elwood Edwards

Article: Elwood Edwards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WKYC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Voice of America Online's "You've Got Mail." Death reported 7 November. Thriley (talk) 18:35, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

support can't see any glaring problems. Scuba 21:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tyka Nelson

Article: Tyka Nelson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): AP New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Sister of Prince. TNM101 (chat) 14:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

oppose yellow and orange tags. Scuba 21:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Until issues are resolved and tags removed, per above Anopisthograph (talk) 01:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Richard A. Cash

Stale, past 7 days old (WP:ITNRD).—Bagumba (talk) 13:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Richard A. Cash (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Richard A. Cash, who pioneered oral rehydration therapy to save millions of lives, has died at the age of 83 (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The subject died in October but the NYT didn't publish an obituary until Nov 3. I'm not sure how much credit belongs to this doctor in particular but oral rehydration therapy has saved more than 50 million lives and was described by The Lancet as "the most important medical advance this century". So that's quite a big legacy which merits some attention and perhaps even a blurb. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:03, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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November 6

November 6, 2024 (2024-11-06) (Wednesday)

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RD: Johannes Beutler

Article: Johannes Beutler (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jesuiten
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German theologian and Catholic priest focused on Gospel of John. Grimes2 (talk) 14:15, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tony Todd

Article: Tony Todd (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American actor with a large number of roles, notable as the killer in the Candyman series. Unfortunately article is woefully undersourced due to the large number of roles. Masem (t) 03:00, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now. The Filmography section needs a lot of work - right now, it's almost completely unsourced. Anopisthograph (talk) 03:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Madeleine Riffaud

Article: Madeleine Riffaud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Monde
Credits:

Article updated
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Fighter in the French Resistance during World War II, writing poems at school and in prison where tortured and to be executed by the Nazis, after World War II encouraged to write by Eluard and portrayed by Picasso, then as war correspondent in Algeria and Vietnam, in a relationship with Nguyễn Đình Thi, distant for most of the long time. - Several of the article's references were no longer there, but could be replaced. More detail is in the sources, such as an early short marriage and a child that died young. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article seems good enough. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article is properly cited. Scuba 01:18, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support better quality than the average nom we get around here, good to go. FlipandFlopped ツ 18:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Syed Shah Khusro Hussaini

Article: Syed Shah Khusro Hussaini (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu, Arab News
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Article updated
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Indian Sufi and the vice president of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board. Khaatir (talk) 02:48, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support no citation problems. Scuba 21:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I don't see any major issues. Anopisthograph (talk) 23:49, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per above and marking as ready. FlipandFlopped ツ 18:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Anna Lo

Article: Anna Lo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: UK's first Chinese parliamentarian. Article looks good, well cited. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 19:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support article looks fine. Scuba 21:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Rafael

 
Article: Hurricane Rafael (2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hurricane Rafael makes landfall in Cuba and causes a second nationwide electrical blackout. (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Nominator's comments: Another nationwide blackout to add to 2024. Not sure if the blackout article needs to be updated for ITN, because it isn't. Departure– (talk) 16:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait for the hurricane article and Oppose for the blackout Hurricane article needs to be updated with information on deaths. Blackout article contains only one sentence related to the hurricane. Also, I feel that the blurb should mention impacts across other countries as well and not only about Cuba. TNM101 (chat) 16:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait per TNM101. There are fatalities so that should be the focus, the Cuba grid going down again is less significant overall. Masem (t) 17:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support article looks good, hurricane made landfall, there have been fatalities. It's impossible to separate out the blackout so that should also be tagged. Scuba 21:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Cannan

Article: John Cannan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: British Suzy Lamplugh murder suspect Martinevans123 (talk) 09:12, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support - Once you start reading the article, it's hard to stop before reaching the end.
51.154.145.205 (talk) 16:05, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Dempsey

Article: John Dempsey (footballer, born 1946) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Sport, RTÉ Sport
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: English-born Irish footballer. 240F:7A:6253:1:44A0:8B74:9026:24BB (talk) 00:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opposed lacking sources. Scuba 21:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) German ruling coalition collapse

Articles: Scholz cabinet (talk · history · tag) and 2024 German government crisis (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ German traffic light coalition collapsed following policy disagreement over the economic crisis. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Following policy disagreement over the current economic crisis, the currently ruling coalition in Germany collapses.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The German ruling coalition collapsed following policy disagreement over the economic crisis.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The German ruling coalition collapses over disagreements on economic policies.
News source(s): Politico New York Times CNN the Guardian euronews Washington Post the Telegraph France 24
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Nominator's comments: Coalition collapse in Germany is rare, I remember the last time was in 2005 (though it was a deliberately snap election called by the SPD-Greens coalition at that time). Also targeted articles need updates. Haers6120 (talk) 21:25, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I have made 2024 German government crisis. Currently it is not ready to be a targetted article, and perhaps it should be merged into Scholz cabinet. Either way, I support in principle posting this. While we do not normally post government collapses, the present situation is very much unprecedented in Germany, and is receiving significant media coverage (if perhaps overshadowed by the US election). Gust Justice (talk) 21:57, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel it better merged into Scholz cabinet article, given that article lacks necessary updates so far. Haers6120 (talk) 22:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This seems the right approach. Not every separate event needs it's own article since you have to reestablish a lot of context for such cases. It might grow large enough into one in the future but in the immediate it should be merged (but still nominatable) — Masem (t) 22:28, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the merge. The original blurb is fine with the links it has. Renerpho (talk) 23:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm about to update the article. I don't think it should be merged because the impact will probably extend beyond the coalition. Perhaps we can talk about a merge in the future. Killarnee (talk) 05:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your contribution! :). I will update the blurb now. Haers6120 (talk) 05:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
if that article gets expanded enough, I will highlight/re-targe it :) Haers6120 (talk) 05:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should be careful on such CRYSTAL claims, hence why it is better to keep these types of news events in context of a larger article. Should it truly be significant, establishing its own context, then a sepearate article can be made. Masem (t) 17:17, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until the snap election is held and a new coalition (or whoever wins the election) is announced. TwistedAxe [contact] 00:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Considering how unusual this event is, I don't see why we should wait for that. Renerpho (talk) 03:47, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This will have a significant impact for the nation and globally. This event has a long history, with discontent since the last election and enormous resulting gains for radical parties. Waiting until the next (snap) election makes no sense, the vote of confidence must come first, and theoretically it could be that there is no snap election at all. But even if there were, the snap election would probably not be until March, which would be more than just a little wait and see what happens. Killarnee (talk) 05:13, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is the 2nd biggest story in most places right now. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:24, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a bit drowned by the US election, but major story still. Juxlos (talk) 14:19, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nominate and support Altblurb1, I don't think the "Traffic Light Coalition" nickname mean much to anyone outside Germany.31.44.227.152 (talk) 14:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The main reason for the collapse is a disagreement about the budget. Grimes2 (talk) 14:37, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Feel free to update if you think it warrants a change. 31.44.227.152 (talk) 17:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you! I also feel that Alt1 is more suitable :) Haers6120 (talk) 16:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt1 Seems notable enough for a blurb and agree that "Traffic Light Coalition" is meaningless for anyone who doesn't follow the German Reichstag closely. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:38, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Major political development in major democracy, in the news globally. Prefer altblurb as wording seems better. Also support the creation of the seperate article on the government crisis which could be linked if appropriate. AusLondonder (talk) 14:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support 4th biggest economy in the world (according to our own information) having an economic crisis that causes government to collapse meets WP:ITNSIGNIF. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:46, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    is the announcement of asking for a confidence-vote in January 25 enough for ITN? the news besides this is, that our government doesnt have a majority anymore, because one of the three parties ruling left the federal government. User Kiril Simeonovski explained that pretty well (see a few comments below). LennBr (talk) 03:43, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, leaning towards alt blurb. Both are good, but I can't imagine that most people will understand what the traffic light coalition is. "The currently ruling coalition" is much better when it comes to general understanding. — BerryForPerpetuity (talk) 17:22, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opinion How about change original blurb by replace 'traffic light coalition' with 'ruling coalition'? (that will make the sentence concise)
    such as 'German ruling coalition collapsed following policy disagreement over the economic crisis.' Haers6120 (talk) 17:52, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That sounds more reasonable - though I'm not convinced that it's ITN. To many "traffic-light coalition" sounds more like a transportation issue, than politics. Nfitz (talk) 18:11, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah the term only makes sense if you are familiar with its usage in German politics. It's probably safer to avoid it for ITN. Gust Justice (talk) 18:32, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support This isn't just a single event, this is the culmination of the unrests and displeasure the German public has had with the current government (i.e. 2023–2024 German farmers' protests). rayukk | talk 19:27, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until the vote of no confidence takes place on 15 January 2025 (or earlier). Has anyone here read what really happened or you're guided by the delusive blurbs? From what I read in the German article, chancellor Olaf Scholz (SPD) announced that he had submitted the dismissal of finance minister Christian Lindner (FDP) to president Frank-Walter Steinmeier due to unbridgeable differences within the government coalition and that a vote of no confidence of his government will be held on 15 January 2025. In response to this, justice minister Marco Buschmann and education minister Bettina Stark-Watzinger from FDP announced their resignations, whereas transport minister Volker Wissing left FDP and stayed in the government. As a result, the cabinet was restructured so that state secretary Jörg Kukies (SDP) was appointed new finance minister, Volker Wissing additionally took over the Ministry of Justice and agriculture minister Cem Özdemir (The Greens) additionally took over the Ministry of Education and Research. The government coalition—now composed of SPD and The Greens—will serve as a minority government over the next two months. For now, this is just a restructuring of the cabinet, and its collapse is dependent on the vote of no confidence. It's highly likely that no confidence will be voted and the parliamentary election next year will be scheduled earlier, but the right time to post this is when that actually happens.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 19:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I would wait for the vote of no confidence to take place before blurbing. This is when the government would officially collapse. For now, it is officially just a change in the government members... Tradediatalk 23:49, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would disagree with your assessment, as the FDP was completely kicked out of the coalition, leaving a minority government. I would say that that is sufficient. Yes I am a nerd -XCBRO172 (How could you tell?) 19:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support any of the blurbs look good. Government collapse is a major event, especially for the world's third largest economy. Scuba 21:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

November 5

November 5, 2024 (2024-11-05) (Tuesday)

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RD: Taoreed Lagbaja

Article: Taoreed Lagbaja (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Died while serving as Nigeria's army chief. – Ammarpad (talk) 15:30, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kazuo Umezu

Article: Kazuo Umezu (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anime News Network
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Manga artist who influenced Junji Ito passed away a week ago at age 88. SimonLagann (talk) 22:55, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Was coming to nominate this, but will add while his death was on Oct 28, like many Japanese ppl, the death was only announced today, giving time for privacy and mourning by family and friends. --Masem (t) 04:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Asot Michael

Article: Asot Michael (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

Article needs updating
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Breaking news, homicide victim, serving Antiguan MP. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sharda Sinha

Article: Sharda Sinha (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hindu
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Indian Singer Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 19:39, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Sammy Basso

Nominator close: Have confused months here, apologies. Abcmaxx (talk) 16:27, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Article: Sammy Basso (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Biologist, one of the longest-living progeria sufferers and advocate for and researcher into the disease. Article is in good shape, I added the infobox. Abcmaxx (talk) 08:18, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

(Posted) 2024 United States presidential election

 
Article: 2024 United States presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Donald Trump is elected the next President of the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Donald Trump is elected the next President of the United States and Republicans take control of the Senate.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Donald Trump is elected President of the United States and Republicans take control of the Senate.
News source(s): New York Times USA Today CNN The Hill
Credits:

Nominator's comments: This is a defining event for politics and is obviously newsworthy. Rager7 (talk) 00:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed that this is premature, but don't see a need to close, as results will be announced in the next 36 hours. Natg 19 (talk) 00:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Until results have been officially projected. Also, should we post the results of the Senate/House races too? Also the article is tagged. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 00:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Until the results have been officially confirmed, which may take days, we're not posting this. JohnAdams1800 (talk) 1:07, 5 November 2024
  • Oppose as very premature. Have you ever seen ITN post a blurb like any of these proposals? Ask yourself why not. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:37, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ongoing A blurb is likely to be posted sometime soon so we should start discussion so that we're ready. For example, is the article quality and structure satisfactory or are there specific issues requiring attention? As many readers will already be looking for the article (over half a million yesterday), a link in Ongoing would be helpful.
Note that the article is already huge with over 10,000 words of prose and over 500 citations. Our focus should be on the lead and infobox as the main summaries. They could use a timetable with key dates for the polling and results as it currently just says that the inauguration is next year. Someone above says that we get the results in 36 hours. Is that right?
Note also that On this Day has Election Day (United States) as its lead item today.
Andrew🐉(talk) 08:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb as written, post when there are results ITN should not have premature posts. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 08:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hold till we have projected results. Certain to be ITN/R as it will result in a change of head of state regardless of who wins This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 08:49, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support now Multiple sources[1][2][3] have called the race for Trump. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC) MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:42, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Maybe we should mention Trump winning the popular vote, a feat the Republicans haven't achieved since 2004 and definitely a notable factor as it means a majority of Americans have voted for Trump rather than just members of the electoral college. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 12:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOTFORUM
A Russian IP being pro-Trump? How surprising *rolls eyes* AusLondonder (talk) 08:15, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: AP just called Pennsylvania. Prodrummer619 (talk) 07:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And if my calculations are correct when Alaska gets called he'll have the necessary votes. And Alaska's not a battleground state so.... 5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment should we mention the senate and congress races too in the blurb? NYtimes has "called" senate for the republicans arleady 5.44.170.181 (talk) 07:33, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Pretty clear winner by now, like it or not. Hungry403 (talk) 07:39, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Most conservative (not in the right-wing sense) projections have placed Trump 3-4 votes away from securing a re-election. Harris would need to win every uncalled state despite most of them projecting a Trump victory (and includes Alaska which hasn't voted for a Democrat in 60 years). I'd rather take our chances with a "Dewey Defeats Truman" moment at this point. PolarManne (talk) 07:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support all reliable sources have called PA and GA. It's only a formality before they call Alaska - which would give Trump a win. I expect the call will go out before this ITN is posted. Juxlos (talk) 07:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wait for RSes to call 270. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support very clear that Trump win Tensa Februari (talk) 08:26, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Respected world leaders such as Volodymyr Zelenskyy have already congratulated Trump on his victory. NICHOLAS NEEDLEHAM (talk) 08:32, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Moral support – The 2024 United States presidential election article hasn't been updated to project a Trump win due to the RfC discussion requiring unanimous projections from an assortment of sources, which other than AP are arguably arbitrarily limited to traditional television news networks. ITN is not going to say anything which the article does not say, so we would have to follow the RfC consensus. But I trust Decision Desk HQ, and they have called the race for Trump, so it's a matter of time before the sources we require for race calls call the race for Trump. Here's to another 4 years of chaos, I'm afraid. feminist🩸 (talk) 08:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That's the standard for the article. This is in the news. And the headline on BBC is that "Donald Trump declares victory". Maybe that should be our headline too. Nfitz (talk) Nfitz (talk) 09:01, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for similar reasons outlined by feminist🩸 above - the article has not been updated to show who the winner is. For everyone above who has voted support - have you actually read the article before voicing your support? Chrisclear (talk) 08:48, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a little difficult to update when the article is fully protected. — hako9 (talk) 09:02, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I mean, I get it, but it's not like we've never posted an election without full results in the article, and with how things get "called", technically an official result isn't coming until after the calls. DarkSide830 (talk) 09:07, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Technically, an official result doesn't come until January 6th. We shouldn't wait until then either. Nfitz (talk) 09:59, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs work Revisiting this now we're allowed to discuss it again, I just read through the current lead of the nominated article. This mainly covers Biden and Trump but has very little about Harris and doesn't even mention third party candidates like Kennedy. It should have more about the campaign events like the debates and polling swings and more about the actual voting results. The general history of Biden and Trump and their flaws is less directly relevant and needs trimming to make space for better election coverage.
But now I see that this work isn't going to get done in a timely fashion because the article is fully protected and so editing will slow to a crawl. This seems to be a major quality issue. ITN is supposed to "emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource" and this locking shows it to be otherwise.
I was wondering whether Donald Trump might be the bold article in the blurb, to work around the locking. But that article needs work too. Its lead only seems to have one sentence about this election campaign and its result and so badly needs updating too.
Andrew🐉(talk) 09:23, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This was because of a discussion at WP:ERRORS. Natg 19 (talk) 01:47, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Huh? We always post election results, so don't know why Trump should be an exception. Natg 19 (talk) 18:35, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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