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Errors in the summary of the featured article

Please do not remove this invisible timestamp. See WT:ERRORS and WP:SUBSCRIBE. - Dank (push to talk) 01:24, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

Errors in "Did you know ..."

Current DYK

Panhandle Gap

• "that Mount Rainier cannot be seen from Panhandle Gap (pictured), despite the trail being ...". The Panhandle Gap is a col, not a trail, so what is this "the trail"? In fact it seems to be the Wonderland Trail, which leads to the Panhandle Gap. So I suggest to write "despite a trail that leads to it being ...". (Generally, it is rather unsurprising that a local peak is hidden at the point where the trail crosses a ridge, so I don't really accept the logic behind "despite", but I don't care about that.) JMCHutchinson (talk) 20:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

  I agree – the article says that The hike along the Wonderland Trail […] to the gap has been described as "possibly the best day hike" in Mount Rainier National Park. The source for the quote is Hiking Washington: A Guide to the State's Greatest Hiking Adventures, p. 100, at Google Books, which does say:

  Possibly the best day hike in Mount Rainier National Park, this section of the Wonderland Trail from Fryingpan Creek to Summerland and Panhandle Gap traverses a huge variety of terrain and ecosystems.

  but later on the page says:

  At Summerland and Panhandle Gap you can bask in the presence of colossal Mount Rainier. Its sheer size is hard to comprehend until you see it up close.

  I'm not sure whether it means that you can literally see Mount Rainier from Panhandle Gap in particular, but either way it's clear that Mount Rainier is visible for a significant portion of the hike. That means "best day hike" and "can't see Mount Rainier" aren't both true of the same thing (as the original hook seems to imply). jlwoodwa (talk) 21:11, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

• The article says "On a clear day, Mount Adams is visible from Panhandle Gap, but Mount Rainier itself is largely blocked by the ridge to the west" . If it's "largely blocked" then that implies that it's still visible to some extent. The source for this tells you how to get to a high point by the gap that gives you a good view of the mountain. So there's not really a "despite". The trail seems popular because it provides good views rather than otherwise. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:45, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

StoneToss

• "that X's rules were changed when StoneToss sought help from Elon Musk after an anti-fascist group published materials claiming to have revealed their identity?" should say 'Twitter' like the hook originally said, which won't be mistaken for what the letter X is commonly used for in writing. Traumnovelle (talk) 01:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

  I agree. The article uses "Twitter" throughout and the hook was approved with "Twitter" too. The letter X is quite ambiguous and so our article about the social media site is still titled Twitter. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:11, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

  And then sent back from here for refusing to have X rather twitter in the hook and article. This refers to 2024. It's called X. 13:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC) Secretlondon (talk) 13:47, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

  I found the previous discussion:

Next DYK

"... that Twitter's rules were changed when StoneToss sought help from Elon Musk after an anti-fascist group published materials claiming to have revealed their identity?" It was called X at the time this happened, not Twitter. Fram (talk) 11:34, 14 November 2024 (UTC)  Fixed. The article was full of Twitter referring to 2024 too. Secretlondon (talk) 15:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC) Someone has reverted the article claiming that Wikipedia always calls it twitter, even when referring to 2024. Secretlondon (talk) 15:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC) I've reinstated your edits, it makes no sense for the article to be using the term Twitter for recent usage when the sourcing doesn't support that, particularly in relation to things that Musk is doing. I don't know what we do if editors insist on reverting again, I'm not going to get into a full-scale edit war but I do think Fram's point is a valid one.  — Amakuru (talk) 00:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

It seems that there's no consensus to change this from Twitter to X. There is further discussion at Talk:StoneToss#Twitter_or_X.

Andrew🐉(talk) 16:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm going to pull this. WP:DYKTAG says The article should not be subject to unresolved edit-warring. This clearly fails that. See the series of reverts leading up to Special:Diff/1257458609, plus this is the article's second trip through WP:ERRORS for this same reason (i.e. Special:Permalink/1257365936#Next-but-one DYK. RoySmith (talk) 17:30, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Errors in "On this day"

Today's OTD

• Colin Turnbull (b. 1924) - this article is a bit light on references, including for his date of birth. JennyOz (talk) 00:07, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  • I've added a cite for November 23, which is definitely the consensus in sources (Guardian obit, Gale, even the tombstone), but the Grinker biography gives the date as November 24. I suspect that was just a mistake, but if anyone would be more comfortable pulling it, I won't complain. (I remember reading The Forest People while sick with a nasty virus...I didn't enjoy it too much.) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:53, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Errors in the summary of the featured list

Friday's FL

(November 29)

Monday's FL

(November 25)

Errors in the summary of the featured picture

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Today's POTD

It says "Photograph credit: William Holman Hunt", but it's clearly a painting. - Sebbog13 (talk) 14:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Agree (it's also a photo of a painting, but Hunt painted it and died in 1910.) I've never changed that before, but compare Template:POTD/2024-10-03.  Fixed Art LaPella (talk) 16:27, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

General discussion

Main page balance

Amakuru, I had already removed items from today and tomorrow's OTD. On my wide-screen monitor, that achieved balance. Now, the right column is too short for me. I know that it's not an exact science, but were you balancing for a wide-screen monitor? Schwede66 22:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Schwede66: I'm just wondering what you're looking at? When I was balancing I was looking initially at making the top of DYK and OTD match, and with the new count I've just initiated those seem to line up at most widths when I grow and shrink the browser. For example here: [1] Ther are admittedly now some widths where the bottom of OTD is not quite matched to the bottom of DYK, so it could work to add one more item in there, but as you see in the above image it's not terrible on that score... Are you seeing something different? Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 22:29, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Well, I usually have the sidebar turned on. When I turn it off (hide it), I get the same as you. I hadn't noticed that performance difference before and don't know whether it's defined anywhere how it's supposed to be. Schwede66 23:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok, I've had a look why toggling the tool sidebar changes the main page balance and to be honest, I don't understand what's going on. First up, I've measured how much of the screen width is given to the columns. With the tools showing, it's 55%/45% (left/right). Without the tools, it's 53%/47%. For me at least. Trying to understand why there is a difference, I've looked at the main page's CSS. Rows 75 to 89 appear to be dealing with the ratio, and it says it's 55%/45%. Hence, why does turning the tools off / hiding them change the ratio that assigns to the two columns? And Khajidha, I'm aware of your longstanding advocacy for a single-column design. That's not what this is about; I'd like to understand why the ratio changes. Once we've figured that out, we can think about stopping it from doing that. Schwede66 23:26, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is rather confusing - too many factors to consider when trying to achieve balance. To be honest with you, with Vector2022 I thought we'd now reached a situation where the width was more-or-less fixed whatever the width, unless you went down to a very narrow viewport. That's what we see with articles, but it doesn't seem to be the case on the main page. I guess the four-panel layout makes it more complicated.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

News photos

Should we add Deif and Gallant to the news photos? Industrial Metal Brain (talk) 06:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Unrelated category

Why is the main page in Category:Articles containing Proto-Indo-European-language text? TheWikipede^talk 17:24, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Because it does - the TFA summary contains proto-Indo-European text wrapped in {{lang|ine-x-proto}}. If that's a problem, add nocat=yes to those template calls, which would prevent the category being emitted. But why is it a problem? Modest Genius ^talk 17:35, 22 November 2024 (UTC)