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February 29

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February 29, 2024 (2024-02-29) (Thursday)

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RD: Ellen Bernstein

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Article: Ellen Bernstein (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): NY Times
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NY Times obit published 5 March. Thriley (talk) 22:50, 6 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ramona Fradon

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News source(s): New York Times
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Pioneering woman comic book artist, known for her work in the 1950s and 1960s on Aquaman and Metamorpho. Article is brief but in good shape.

RD: David Bordwell

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Article: David Bordwell (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
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American film theorist and film historian. 240F:7A:6253:1:217A:705B:CA1B:1C7D (talk) 05:08, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose The article has a lot of uncited information, especially the career section, plus there's some information in the lead which doesn't appear in the prose at all (aside from the bibliography but that doesn't really count), which is also uncited and should probably be in the prose since the lead is supposed to be a summary. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 09:28, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Linda White

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Article: Linda White (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-03-01/senator-linda-white-dies/103532260
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Australian Senator. Article is short but well sourced. HiLo48 (talk) 23:59, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Blurb posted) Blurb/RD: Brian Mulroney

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Article: Brian Mulroney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former Prime Minister of Canada Brian Mulroney (pictured) dies at the age of 84 (Post)
News source(s): CBC
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Prime Minister of Canada from 1984 to 1993. JM (talk) 23:15, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support once the CNs are resolved. The article is of generally good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:39, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • He Was 84 and I think we all know what that means. To those who still believe in the Mandela/Thatcher standard, though, it should be noted that before he was 84, he was pretty much the Canadian representative of those two "legends". Sometimes figuratively, sometimes literally, sometimes both. Definitely "in their league". Big name, regardless, and should be noticeable enough in RD when ready (besides the citations, it repeats "Mulroney" too often). InedibleHulk (talk) 04:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb once sourcing issues have been fixed. Mulroney is one of the most consequential and influence Canadian PMs in its recent history. Plus I support blurbing former G8/G20 heads of states. I don’t think someone’s age should determine if they get blurbed or not. Plus nine years of PM is noteworthy as well. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's more a matter of the unremarkable way old people tend to go than anything against their ages themselves. Sometimes younger people die naturally, too, and some older people of ways in which readers may reasonably want to stay updated over the next week or two. Nine years is a long time, though, regardless of when it ended. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps not so noteworthy in Canada over the last 50 years. Pierre Trudeau did 15 years from 1968-1979 and 1980-1984, Mulroney did 9 years from 1984-1993, Chretien did 10 years from 1993-2003, Harper did 9 years from 2006-2015, and Justin Trudeau's done almost 9 years from 2015-present. Since 1968 we've had more who did 9 years than who didn't. JM (talk) 05:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    These five are all noteworthy for pretty much the same accomplishment, despite their differences. Like the Beatles or the Four Horsemen. I'm not saying Mulroney's the Lennon or Flair of the bunch, but it's still impressively long to me, dammit. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:37, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, but support blurb once fixed This article gives a good legacy section (albeit lack of sources) to explain why we should blurb him. Just need better sourcing throughout. --Masem (t) 05:29, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support for Blurb on the merits. However, I concur with the vast majority of comments above that the article is currently not ready for posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 05:50, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb The page is quite substantial and is graded B-class and level 5 vital. It has been put on the main page several times before in OTD. And it has over 200 citations and a huge bibliography. The idea that it's not good enough for ITN is ridiculous. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:22, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I would personally avoid using level-5 "vital" as an argument, as that label is applied by a very small set of editors. I agree with wanting to feature people of this level of political significance, though. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The article is also graded as High importance by multiple projects. It has been edited by over 1,550 different editors and that's quite a lot. ITN has comparatively few !voters but so it goes. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:27, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb – Only a one-sentence update. Very limited information on his illness, death, and funeral. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    In fact, it's not just his illness and death. We barely have any information on the past 25 years of his life. I don't think featuring the article in this state would "showcase quality Wikipedia content on current events" or "emphasize Wikipedia as a dynamic resource." ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 11:00, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nonsense. The article has an extensive section After politics (1993–2024) which is over 10Kb and 1600 words of prose. That's several times larger than the entire article for Feleti Teo whose picture has headlined ITN for four days now even though the population of his small island is less than my local council ward. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:19, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm confused; I should've properly read better of course, but I made this comment after searching every single year on the page between 1999 and 2024 and getting practically zero results outside of the References section. Something must be wrong with Safari's search function. I apologize for the confusion, though I do stand by the lack of information on illness, death, and funeral: the actual event we would be featuring. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:48, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If the death was from natural causes, a one-sentence update is pretty much all we can expect in the immediate. As there is plans for a state furenal, this can be expected to be expanded, but we don't need that in place for a blurb if the rest of the article adequetely is in shape and explains why a blurb is appropriate. — Masem (t) 19:13, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Change to Neutral now that the illness and death section has been expanded. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:38, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb per Orbitalbuzzsaw: he was very notable during his life, but the death itself was not notable. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nelson Mandela lived a very notable life, but retreated into retirement in his last few years and then died in a very ordinary manner (respiratory disease, #2 most common cause of death). By your logic, would he therefore not get a blurb? It makes no sense to me that "dying in an ordinary manner" makes the passing of an otherwise self-admitted highly notable person ineligible for a blurb. FlipandFlopped ツ 17:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for not explaining clearer: when I say that the "death itself was not notable", I do not mean that the deaths of major figures who do not die in an unexpected way can never get blurbed. Instead, I would have been more inclined to support this blurb if the death itself was notable, i.e, there was significant coverage of their death on Wikipedia. In the case of Nelson Mandela, I would have almost certainly supported that, as there is a whole page devoted to his death and reactions to it. In contrast, as far as I can tell, there is only a two sentence mention of Mulroney's death on his page. Gödel2200 (talk) 22:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
On the other hand, Mulroney was not nearly as notable as Mandela, which is why Mandela got an entire death article. This classifies as "life as main story" on ITNRDBLURB. Information, at least on his Wikipedia page, is very limited regarding death, funeral, and other proceedings, as well as lacking quality. Pksois23 (talk) 01:14, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I imagine more info about the funeral will come out soon, all we've got right now is confirmation from Trudeau that he is receiving a state funeral. DriveAllKnight (talk) 01:22, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb per above. Support RD. Pksois23 (talk) 14:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Certainly a transformative figure in Canadian politics in the mold of Reagan/Thatcher, with large effects abroad (NAFTA, etc.). Davey2116 (talk) 14:05, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality and pretty indifferent to whether it's a RD or blurb once fixed. He seems just notable enough for a blurb, but I don't think it would be a crime to just post him as RD. However, I strongly disagree with the sentiment that the death itself must be notable, as it is counter to WP:ITNRDBLURB. ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:10, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb not just your average politician - transformative figure in Canadian and worldwide politics. His death's widespread coverage stems not from the fact that he died, but because he is a distinctly notable figure. To that effect, The Times of India, Al Jazeera, and the South China Morning Post all did substantive pieces about his legacy and political importance. When a particularly politically influential former leader of a country dies and attracts significant worldwide news coverage, this merits a blurb regardless of individual editors' peculiar view that an ordinary "manner of death" altogether precludes someone's life from being notable. To the contrary, the ultimate bottom line is how well-known the figure was + press coverage: if those indicia strongly point towards notability, then an ordinary manner of death does not necessarily preclude a blurb. FlipandFlopped ツ 17:21, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb—I haven't actually checked the quality of the article, so I'll just comment on its blurbworthiness. Mulroney was a highly consequential figure in both Canadian and international politics, besides being the leader of one of the more powerful countries in the world for over a decade. Kurtis (talk) 19:07, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ali Hassan Mwinyi

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Article: Ali Hassan Mwinyi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former President of Tanzania Ali Hassan Mwinyi dies at the age of 98. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters
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Former president of Tanzania. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:55, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment legacy section uncited, honours subsection uncited, 1 CN tag. JM (talk) 22:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm anticipating that this might not gain consensus, but I would consider blurbing Mwinyi... he was the leader of one of the larger countries in Africa for a full ten years, so looked at purely in terms of population numbers ruled over, he'd be a similar case to Tony Blair or Jacques Chirac (whose death we didn't post because of quality concerns, but which would have otherwise been an easy blurb). Obviously in terms of economy size and world status, the leader of Tanzania is less than the leaders of the UK or France, but still worth considering.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:27, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, old man dies, a notable life is not a notable death, the usual. JM (talk) 23:33, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well if that's the case, what's going on in the post above this one, in which everyone's supporting away, despite the same situation prevailing?  — Amakuru (talk) 08:26, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Of the two people who voted oppose blurb here, one voted oppose above as well, and I refrained from voting above as the nominator of that RD (I didn't propose the blurb). No one who voted to support the one above also voted to oppose this one, and vice versa. JM (talk) 08:31, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb since the manner of death was not notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 03:03, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support RD, neutral on blurb This article has enough details & references. I’m not sure if he’s notable enough for a blurb. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question to Reviewers: I've tagged the Legacy section with {unreferenced section}. If these unreferenced materials get deleted, would the remaining wikibio pass for RD? --PFHLai (talk) 13:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PFHLai: I found references for the unreferenced stuff & I think it’s ready to be posted. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:04, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 28

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February 28, 2024 (2024-02-28) (Wednesday)

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  • Red Bull Formula One leader Christian Horner is cleared of wrongdoing in an internal probe looking into allegations of "inappropriate" behavior made by a female staffer. Horner will remain in the position of team leader. (NBC News)

(Posted) RD: Yaya Dillo Djérou

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Article: Yaya Dillo Djérou (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Opposition leader of Chad killed in shooting, significant press coverage and well-sourced article. Jmanlucas (talk) 21:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support It looked briefly like the end of one paragraph was uncited, but I checked the source and all the information in the uncited section was contained in source #1. Article quality is sufficient for RD. NorthernFalcon (talk) 02:50, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Article in good shape and certainly big news. I only wish we had more but it’s long enough to qualify, IMO. Innisfree987 (talk) 13:57, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Half of this wikibio is about his assassination. The other half is a "Biography" section that lacks basic biographical info such as date and place of birth, upbringing, education and early career. How did he form SCUD and become the leader of the opposition in Chad? This wikibio has a big gap in coverage of the subject's life. Please expand it. --PFHLai (talk) 19:23, 3 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nothing in the source confirmed that he was leader of the Chadian opposition and I’ve removed the claim. Chad’s opposition is too fragmented to meaningfully be regarded as having a leader except so far as one is designated in the Assemblée nationale…which was suspended after the CMT’s coup. Docentation (talk) 04:08, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The biography section before his death has been greatly expanded. Looks like it should be good to go. Jmanlucas (talk) 01:03, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Remark. I have dealt with some infelicities references-wise; in particular, his date of birth is now sourced, and some bare links have been removed. Docentation (talk) 04:40, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 08:57, 4 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Héctor Ortiz

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Article: Héctor Ortiz (baseball) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBS News Dallas Morning News
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Puerto Rican baseball catcher and coach. Scientia potentia est, MonarchOfTerror 08:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dave Myers

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Article: Dave Myers (presenter) (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Guardian
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British TV presenter and chef. Article in decent shape, just needs a few refs. yorkshiresky (talk) 19:37, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose still missing some references, a few uncited paragraphs. JM (talk) 23:30, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
23 TV guest appearances unsourced (although all shows have articles). Also another Strictly results table... Martinevans123 (talk) 09:36, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Removed some of the chat show appearances, rest are referenced now.yorkshiresky (talk) 21:55, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support now seems to be fully sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Is any more required there, or is this now ready? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:45, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Virgil (wrestler)

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Article: Virgil (wrestler) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestlezone
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American professional wrestler. 240F:7A:6253:1:E00B:A9D5:6C4C:C0E3 (talk) 03:57, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There are three tags on the page esp. lack of citations Pksois23 (talk) 13:18, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Cat Janice

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Article: Cat Janice (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): People
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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 22:21, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support no issues preventing posting. JM (talk) 00:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Nikolai Ryzhkov

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Article: Nikolai Ryzhkov (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Скончался экс-глава правительства СССР Николай Рыжков
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Former Premier of the Soviet Union, Politburo, and Russian Senator following the fall of the Soviet Union. Was the last living Premier, and last leader from the final years of the USSR still around. Article may need help, but its also a GA, so maybe not. TheCorriynial (talk) 12:52, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, the article looks just about ready now. Gödel2200 (talk) 21:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Mitch McConnell will step down as Senate minority leader

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WP:SNOW, consensus to post unlikely to develop. The Kip 22:12, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Mitch McConnell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Mitch McConnell announced he will step down as Senate minority leader, ending the longest tenure of any senator leading their party in the history of the United States. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell announced that he will be stepping down from that position after the longest tenure of any Senator leading their party in the history of the United States. Steve.A.Dore.4 (talk) 20:30, 28 February 2024
@Chaotic Enby: sorry that would be my fault. No blurb was given in the nomination so I hastily wrote one; corrected now. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:50, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - and suggest SNOW close, there is 0 chance this is going to be posted. nableezy - 20:59, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose neither head of state nor head of government nor head of the legislature nor even the head of a single chamber of the legislature nor even the party leader; merely the leader of the senate caucus of the minority party. Additionally, merely an announcement, he's not even leaving until November. JM (talk) 21:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose and snow close Bona fide nomination, but Mitch's resignation is totally irrelevant to Wikipedia and outside of Washington DC. _-_Alsor (talk) 21:30, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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February 27

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February 27, 2024 (2024-02-27) (Tuesday)

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(Posted) RD: Dick Truly

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Article: Richard H. Truly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NASA
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Manned Orbiting Laboratory and NASA astronaut. Served as NASA administrator from 1989 to 1992. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:24, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Berlin International film festival

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Article: Dahomey (film) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Dahomey wins the Golden Bear at the Berlin International Film Festival. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Well cited and ITN/R. The Herald (Benison) (talk) 02:38, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ITNAWARDS says that: "Unless otherwise noted, the target article is normally the winner of the award." Because there is no note for the Berlin International Film Festival, I would assume this means the winner should be targeted in this case. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:34, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Richard Lewis

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Article: Richard Lewis (comedian) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
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Pretty well sourced, but for the filmography. – Muboshgu (talk) 20:56, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ronnie de Mel

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Article: Ronnie de Mel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dinamina, adaderana.lk, dailynews.lk
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Sri Lankan politician, former Minister of Finance. Titanciwikitalk/contrib 06:11, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article seems well-sourced and of generally good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 07:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for reasons cited by User:MtPenguinMonster 7&6=thirteen (☎) 22:35, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(On hold) Sweden's accession to NATO

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Consensus to wait until it happens. --Tone 10:03, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Sweden–NATO relations (talk · history · tag) and Enlargement of NATO (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Hungary ratifies Sweden's accession to the NATO treaty, clearing the last obstacle to full membership (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Sweden joins NATO as the alliance's 32nd member.
News source(s): BBC, FT, Reuters
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Article updated
The only remaining formality seems to be deposition of a document and there will be a flag-raising ceremony later this week. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Suppot but wait until accession. JM (talk) 16:58, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until formal accession. This is probably the least significant expansion because the country is completely surrounded by NATO member states.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:03, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Not insignificant at all. This expansion essentially turns the Baltic Sea into a NATO lake, not to mention the strategic value of Gotland undermines both Kaliningrad and makes the Suwalki gap way more defendable. Not to mention how much easier it has gotten to defend the baltic states too. TwistedAxe [contact] 17:22, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I disagree, it's probably the most important given Sweden's long politics of neutrality, Turkey's and Hungary's long opposition to it, and the wider geopolitical picture.
    Abcmaxx (talk) 19:35, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sweden’s politics of neutrality is completely irrelevant from a geopolitical viewpoint (it fits well for DYK, though), and we don’t know whether Sweden will meet NATO’s defence guidelines (it seems like half of the member states are non-compliant with the 2% guideline). I don’t object posting this when Sweden accedes, but it’s just filling a gap rather than truly expanding the alliance. For the sake of comparison, Finland’s accession was way more significant because the country shares the longest border with Russia in Europe.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 22:26, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support after formal accession per Kiril Simeonovski & Gödel2200 Ion.want.uu (talk) 17:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Close for now Unfortunately, this will take more than "a few days" since Hungary is once again stalling. The vote from its parlament needs to be signed by the president or speaker of the house, and that will take some days, probably late this week or perhaps early next week.[2] After that, the actual signed documents (no e-mail with this) will be flown to Brussels and Washington for the final confirmation.[3] That usually takes about three days. So it might be better to close this now and open a new discussion when everything is done. The item is ITN-worthy even if our biggest contribution to NATO will just be to provide a shortcut for military advances,[4] and the fact that we are a good weapons manufacturer. It's one of the last slots to be filled in in the NATO patchwork and the end of a very long policy of neutrality.[5] (All of this according to Swedish media sources.) In my own opinion: Don't jinx it with premature declarations! ;-) Cart (talk) 09:29, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support but wait for accession as per above --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support once Sweden formally joins NATO, per above. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 09:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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February 26

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February 26, 2024 (2024-02-26) (Monday)

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Mohammad Shtayyeh resignation

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Article: Mohammad Shtayyeh (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Palestinian PM Mohammad Shtayyeh resigns along with the entire government in protest against the Gaza genocide. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Prime Minister of Palestine Mohammad Shtayyeh (pictured) and his government submit their resignations to President Mahmoud Abbas.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Mohammad Shtayyeh, the Prime Minister of Palestine, resigns along with his government.
News source(s): CNN, Reuters, FT, NY Times, Time
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 Ainty Painty (talk) 03:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support on notability, oppose on quality The linked articles need to be improved if this is to be posted. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:28, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support altblurb 1 or 2 on notability, oppose on quality This seems notable enough to post, but the quality needs to improve. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 13:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose - from the Reuters article, "The Palestinian Authority exercises limited governance over parts of the occupied West Bank but lost power in Gaza following a factional struggle with Hamas in 2007" -- which suggests that this is not a big deal. Banedon (talk) 02:49, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Regardless, the PA is the internationally-recognized Palestinian government and holds power over about half of Palestinian territory; this isn’t like the collapse of a recognized government-in-exile with no real power (a la Afghanistan). The Kip 20:37, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Prime Minister is not the head of state or the most powerful office in Palestinian politics. As well as that, I haven't seen any sources that this resignation was in protest of the Hamas War. If Abbas resigned, that would definitely be notable, but the Head of Government of a barely functioning state is iffy PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:06, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support on notability, not convinced by the above arguments that it isn't notable because the Palestinian Authority has "limited governance" or is a "barely functioning state", we're not here to judge how powerful states must be to be relevant. We recently blurbed Tuvalu, which has a lot less population than the parts of the West Bank controlled by the PA, so that shouldn't really be an argument. Still, the PM doesn't administer the executive, so notability isn't 100% guaranteed either. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:03, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ole Anderson

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Article: Ole Anderson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Wrestling Observer - Figure Four Online, CBS Sports
Credits:

Article needs updating
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American pro wrestler and legendary member of The Four Horsemen. Article’s in better shape than most wrestlers but still needs work. The Kip 01:42, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Peter Peetah

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Not an actual article. 🔥Jalapeño🔥 Stupid stuff I did 08:14, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Peter "Peetah" Morgan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pulse Ghana

Pitchfork
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 Heatrave (talk) 15:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Opppose 3 CN tags in the first section, 4 of 5 other sections totally unsourced, and the fifth section mostly unsourced. JM (talk) 17:50, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And per DarkSide830, it's not a bio article either, which I somehow didnt notice, so it doesn't qualify; recommend close. JM (talk) 19:14, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Salah Larbès

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Article: Salah Larbès (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Le Score, Algérie360
Credits:

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Former Algerian footballer, needs expansion from French article. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 15:57, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now needs expansion, as the nominator says. JM (talk) 18:09, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Tep Vong

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Article: Tep Vong (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://english.news.cn/20240226/d786acc99fb04a00bf84ce4c04898a31/c.html
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  • Supreme Patriarch of Mahanikay Buddhism in Cambodia, informative article.
  • Oppose first two sections of biography are unsourced, honours section is unsourced. JM (talk) 18:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Jacob Rothschild

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Article: Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/lord-jacob-rothschild-dead-dies-b2502502.html
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Banker and Rothschild Family member. Article needs some work. Onegreatjoke (talk) 13:16, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pankaj Udhas

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Article: Pankaj Udhas (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
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Noted Singer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 11:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New Prime Minister of Tuvalu

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Article: 2024 Tuvaluan general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following the 2024 Tuvaluan general election, Feleti Teo (pictured) is elected Prime Minister of Tuvalu. (Post)
News source(s): RNZ, Reuters, Al Jazeera
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Elected unopposed by parliament, which is the first time this has happened in Tuvaluan history. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 09:18, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The target article should be the election page not the prime minister-elect which I have fixed already (correct me if I am wrong). Support as article is well-cited and I don't see glaring issues...could someone with more experience with the MOS figure out the chain of citations present in the election article. Pksois23 (talk) 13:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Unsure of the sourcing for the results table. The Feleti Teo article is fine, the PM article is undersourced. JM (talk) 17:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Blurb or RD: Aaron Bushnell

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There's neither support for RD nor for a blurb. The nominator has instead put this in for DYK and it meets the criteria there once the article itself is stable enough. There's thus no point prolonging the discussion here. Schwede66 01:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Self-immolation of Aaron Bushnell (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ An American airman protesting the Israel–Hamas war self-immolated in front of the Israeli embassy to the United States in Washington, D.C. (Post)
News source(s): i24NEWS
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Nominator's comments: Incredibly disturbing and distressing death, but 100% newsworthy and notable. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 10:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BBC has just confirmed his death: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-68405119 GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now Another police officer approached the scene, aiming a gun at Bushnell off-camera and ordered him to "get on the ground" multiple times is not the kind of claim we can leave without a source. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:01, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fixed now. Support anything --Aaron Liu (talk) 16:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Since this seems like it's going to fail, I'm changing to strong support, per my comment to JM below. Aaron Liu (talk) 00:04, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as RD agreeing that since Bushnell was not a notable person with his own article prior to his death. I would oppose this as its own blurb as well since the death is still unconfirmed (per the article) and there are cn tags ✈ mike_gigs talkcontribs 14:20, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think being notable in life is actually a requirement. Aaron Liu (talk) 14:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To be fair, WP:ITNRD has no requirements whatsoever, it operates as a loose guideline of "may's" and "should's" and "possibly's", but the relevant section is An individual human, animal or other biological organism that has recently died may have an entry in the recent deaths (RD) section if it has a biographical Wikipedia article. The current consensus interpreting this guideline is that if the article is not just the subject's name but rather the name and event ("self-immolation of Aaron Bushnell"), then it is not a biographical article/biography of a living person. Under the current policy, if the article were named just "Aaron Bushnell", it would violate WP:BLP1E as the subject is only notable for this one event. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 15:20, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I can't find the consensus discussion. Would you kindly link it? Aaron Liu (talk) 22:10, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't know of any consensus discussions, but I always read biographical Wikipedia article as meaning an article about a person and not an event, and the last two times that an event article was nominated, it failed on the basis that it was not about a person (the death of a Taylor Swift fan at a concert, and the execution of a man using inert gas). JM (talk) 23:23, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    IMO it depends on how much biography. This well-written article clearly wouldn't be blurb-worthy and has a substantial section for biography, so I say it wouldn't hurt to just post his name under RD, especially since, unlike the two articles you mention, the identity of the subject is actually important. We shouldn't oppose this just because generally such articles are notable because of something other than the identity of the victim. Plus, a lot of people are probably looking for the article about it (V22 search apparently hasn't indexed it yet), so this satisfies all of ITN-purpose IMO. Aaron Liu (talk) 00:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Death has been confirmed, *Support. nableezy - 14:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And I added a blurb to the nom, given the wide international coverage I think this merits inclusion. See for example, and each of these is taken from the front page of each source, NYT, BBC, Times of Israel, Le Figaro (French), Al Jazeera (Arabic). nableezy - 16:29, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD WP:ITNRD specifically says that if the article is a "biographical" article, then it is RD. The listed article only has a very short background section outside of the death (for example, it doesn't say when he was born), meaning I don't think the current form of the article is RD. In addition, there are two cn's. If this gets nominated for a blurb, I will reconsider notability there. Gödel2200 (talk) 15:21, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Ive add a blurb to the nomination. nableezy - 16:05, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you for expanding the article. I'm not sure if this reaches notability requirements for a blurb, although if it inspires wide-spread protests or significant changes in the US then I would support doing so. As the nominator I vote Wait on a blurb, but I still support a RD as I don't see any restriction against pages created for notable or exemplary deaths. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 19:45, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:ITNRD says the subject needs a biographical Wikipedia article, and this article, being about a death, is an event article. The last two times an event article was nominated, the nomination failed for that reason (Execution of Kenneth Eugene Smith and Death of Ana Clara Benevides). JM (talk) 23:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Conditional support for blurb I will support on notability provided one of the following happens: the event causes protests or other such events to occur; or if this is the first ever self-immolation of an active-duty US service member. The second point was previously an unsourced claim in the lead of the article, which has since been removed. If protests occur, we should mention them in the blurb, and if this is the first self-immolation of an active duty US service member, we should also mention that in the blurb. Gödel2200 (talk) 18:35, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose RD per WP:ITNRD and oppose blurb on notability. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:06, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb on significance. Oppose RD because the individual is not notable. Jehochman Talk 17:00, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose RD because this is not a bio article so doesn't qualify. JM (talk) 17:41, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also oppose blurb on significance. JM (talk) 19:35, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb per WaltCip. Oppose RD due to notability issues. Davest3r08 >:) (talk) 18:07, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator Comment I decided to open Template:Did you know nominations/Self-immolation of Aaron Bushnell instead as I'm not sure if it would fit a blurb, and it seems like most are opposed to a RD on prior precedent. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 21:25, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That’s probably a good solution given the issues here; the current hook is adequate but Godel’s notes on significance may make for solid alt-hooks. The Kip 01:47, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both per JM. And I'd classify it as already in the scope of ongoing. Jiaminglimjm (talk) 23:01, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb It may be only my ideology--but we shouldn't have to wait for material results (as in protests) to declare if something is notable enough for ITN. Our duty is to post the most significant of news events into the ITN section. This clearly fits that shoe. DecrepitlyOnward (talk) 02:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on notability, for two reasons:
    1. Merely that an otherwise non-notable man publicly killed himself for political reasons and has joined the list of political self-immolations is not sufficiently significant for posting at ITN. This is not the first political self-immolation of a current or former U.S. military member in recent memory (one occurred in 2016 in protest of the VA), nor is it the first self-immolation in protest of military policy to have occurred in recent memory (one occurred in 2014 after Japan began to adopt a more aggressive military posture), nor is the first to have occurred in recent memory in a protest relating to human rights (this sort of thing has been frequent in Tibet; see Self-immolation protests by Tibetans in China for more information on the >100 such cases since 2009).
      Self-immolations catch headlines, but in the grand scheme they don't tend to be that significant. This self-immolation is getting attention because it relates to the war in Gaza, but if this reason alone is why this is getting a nom then is already covered under ongoing. Additionally, we have kept much more significant things (such as the sentencing of Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny to the penal camp where he would later die) off of ITN, and I don't see why this act of suicide would be so significant as to merit inclusion here.
    2. This does not meet WP:ITNRD; the article is not a biography, but an article on an event.
— Red-tailed hawk (nest) 03:01, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose RD since the airman's death is only notable because of its relevance to the Israel-Hamas War as an act of protest, not because the airman is himself notable. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:34, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia:ITNPURPOSE is to showcase quality articles and provide a shortcut for current events readers might be searching for, so I don't think such is that needed. Aaron Liu (talk) 01:41, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose RD as not meeting the criteria, weak oppose on blurb as it still made the news to a level but doesn't rise to the notability we'd expect. Plus one could argue it's covered by Ongoing, but seriously, we'd need a good discussion on what is and isn't covered by it in general. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 02:09, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose blurb - Per above. Weak as I think the media coverage of this has been to a large extent, but I feel posting a single act of protest, especially suicide, would set a bad precedent. Would we have blurbed Thích Quảng Đức in Vietnam, I wonder? PrecariousWorlds (talk) 17:12, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Maryam Nawaz

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Article: Maryam Nawaz (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Maryam Nawaz makes history as Pakistan's first female Chief Minister of any province. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Maryam Nawaz becomes the first woman to be elected Chief Minister of any province in Pakistan.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Maryam Nawaz is elected Chief Minister of Punjab, the first female in any province of Pakistan.
News source(s): Deccan Herald, The News International, NDTV
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Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 11:32, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support BLP is well sourced, updated and ready. As the first woman to hold this position in the country's history is indeed significant. IMO, she, as CM, may have more power and influence than the Prime Minister this time but I'm not really sure if this ITN worthy hence weak support. --Saqib (talk) 11:58, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I also believe that her governance of the country's most populous province (having population of 130 million people), will remain under intense scrutiny, comparable to that of the PM. --Saqib (talk) 12:35, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral, willing to be convinced - I'm not uniformly against publishing internal political stories. This does feel a bit similar to the First Minister of Northern Ireland case which prompted so much debate recently. But I would like to understand the reasoning better before making a firm !vote. GenevieveDEon (talk) 12:30, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There are two reasons for this. Firstly, she is the inaugural female to assume the position of CM in any province of Pakistan. Secondly, as Saqib mentioned earlier, she may amass greater influence in Pakistani politics over the next five years than the Prime Minister. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 12:47, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To the first, this would be more remarkable if there had not already been a female prime minister of Pakistan. To the second, what she may do in the future is irrelevant, per WP:CRYSTAL. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As GenevieveDEon pointed out, there has already been a female Prime Minister of Pakistan (Benazir Bhutto, who served twice). With this in mind, I do not believe this election is notable enough in and of itself. I would only reconsider if it brings about a very significant shift in policy. That being said, the article for Maryam Nawaz does not indicate the election brought about a large change in policy, so I will oppose unless this is changed. Gödel2200 (talk) 14:27, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on notability. The article is good, but this is relates to a nation's internal politics, as important as the Punjab province is. I may reconsider if this ends up being of international or large internal significance. Moncoposig (talk) 17:19, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on significance. There was already a female PM of Pakistan, a CM is a lower level than a PM in Pakistan. JM (talk) 17:43, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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February 25

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(Posted) RD: Gabriela Grillo

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Article: Gabriela Grillo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): St.GEORG
Credits:

Article updated
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Legendary German Olympic gold medalist in dressage in 1976, influential in leading the family business and voluntary service on the board of foundations. So far, only the medals were in the article. I will add more obits, there are plenty, but think it's good enough. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:35, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support well-cited. Could be clearer on explicitly mentioning the infobox medals in the prose though. JM (talk) 20:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Charles Dierkop

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Article: Charles Dierkop (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

Article updated
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240F:7A:6253:1:C812:ADCD:57DC:A1E0 (talk) 06:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose more than 2 days later and filmogaphy and television sections still both totally uncited. JM (talk) 23:41, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Liverpool Win EFL Cup

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Good faith nom, but consensus will not develop to post this. WP:NAC BangJan1999 21:38, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2023–24 EFL Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Virgil Van Dijk scores 118th minute goal to win Liverpool F.C the 2023–24 EFL Cup against Chelsea F.C (Post)
News source(s): SKY Sports
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(Posted) RD: Chris Nicholl

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Article: Chris Nicholl (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Southern Daily Echo
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English born footballer who played for Northern Ireland. Fats40boy11 (talk) 18:17, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as article looks good and cited. Pksois23 (talk) 13:15, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article is well-sourced and is of generally good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:36, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support well-cited. JM (talk) 23:42, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Patrick Cormack

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Article: Patrick Cormack (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Independent
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(Posted) RD: Zong Qinghou

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Article: Zong Qinghou (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): South China Morning Post
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The citation has been fixed! Microplastic Consumer (talk) 01:31, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Micheline Presle

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Article: Micheline Presle (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Telegraph via Yahoo!, Deadline, Washington Post, Hollywood Reporter
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Working on getting the references into all those films. In process. Will take a few hours. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:08, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I've added a lot of references, but finding more may be problematic. Even the Wikipedia articles on the films she appeared in (most of which are French) don't have much sourcing within them. So help would be appreciated. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:51, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have added some citations from the BFI Collection Database. There are a lot of her filmography (133 hits). It is a little bit tedious bc I haven't found a way to get a link for all the actress filmography, just a results list from a script after clicking her name in one of her movies. Alexcalamaro (talk) 06:37, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Added a lot of citations. There are over 100 sources now. Should be GTG. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:39, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Alexcalamaro Your British Film Institute link gives 14 pages of credits, with approximately 9 or 10 films per page.
T[his is one page of 14.

1La DAME AUX CAMÉLIAS C.C.F.C. (Production company), Raymond Bernard (Director)

1953 (Release) - France - Italy - Film - Fiction -

Articles2Blind Date Independent Artists [Production] Limited (Production company), Joseph Losey (Director)

1959 (Copyright) - 1959-09-21 (Release) - United Kingdom - Film - Fiction -

Film / Video materialDigital Posters / DesignsDigital StillsScripts / Documents / EphemeraArticles3Les DERNIERS JOURS DE POMPEI Salvo D'angelo (Production company), Marcel L'Herbier (Director)

1948 (Release) - France - Italy - Film - Fiction -

ArticlesBooks4Le DIABLE AU CORPS Transcontinental Films (Production company), Claude Autant-Lara (Director)

1947 (Release) - France - Film - Fiction -

Film / Video materialDigital StillsScripts / Documents / EphemeraArticlesBooks5Le DIABLE ET LES DIX COMMANDEMENTS Mondex Films (Production company), Julien Duvivier (Director)

1962 (Release) - France - Italy - Film - Fiction -

Film / Video materialScripts / Documents / EphemeraArticles6L' ASSASSINO Titanus (Production company), Elio Petri (Director)

1961-04-01 (Release) - Italy - France - Film - Fiction -

Film / Video materialDigital StillsScripts / Documents / EphemeraArticlesBooks7Le BAL DU COMTE D'ORGEL Les Films Marceau (Production company), Marc Allégret (Director)

1970 (Release) - France - Film - Fiction -

Articles8Le BARON DE L'ÉCLUSE Filmsonor (Paris) (Production company), Jean Delannoy (Director)

1960 (Release) - France - Italy - Film - Fiction -

Articles9La CHASSE À L'HOMME Filmsonor (Paris) (Production company), Edouard Molinaro (Director)

1964 (Release) - France - Italy - Film - Fiction -

Articles10BEATRICE CENCI Franco London Film (Paris) (Production company), Riccardo Freda (Director)

1956 (Release) - Italy - Film - Fiction -

Articles 1

Alexcalamaro Thanks for finding that. I did use it as a cited source in the article. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 21:43, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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February 24

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February 24, 2024 (2024-02-24) (Saturday)

Armed conflicts and attacks

Disasters and accidents

  • In Tanzania, 25 people are killed and 21 more injured on a road linking Arusha to Namanga, after a truck driver lost control of his vehicle causing a collision with three other vehicles. (Barron's)

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Kumar Shahani

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Article: Kumar Shahani (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): India Today
Credits:

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Indian film director and screenwriter. 240F:7A:6253:1:C812:ADCD:57DC:A1E0 (talk) 06:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support This article has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:50, 2 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kenneth Mitchell (actor)

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Article: Kenneth Mitchell (actor) (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Deadline Hollywood
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Canadian actor. 240F:7A:6253:1:115F:E0C1:FA0D:4EF5 (talk) 16:24, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Eric Mays

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Article: Eric Mays (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): M-Live, Michigan Now
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RD: Vyacheslav Lebedev

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Article: Vyacheslav Lebedev (Chief Justice) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Meduza, Mediazona
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(Posted) RD: Stan Bowles

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Article: Stan Bowles (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): QPR, BBC, Guardian
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February 23

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RD: Jackie Loughery

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Article: Jackie Loughery (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Hollywood Reporter
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240F:7A:6253:1:C812:ADCD:57DC:A1E0 (talk) 06:52, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Germany legalises cannabis use

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Articles: Cannabis in Germany (talk · history · tag) and German cannabis control bill (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Germany, the Bundestag legalises recreational cannabis use. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Bundestag legalises recreational cannabis use in Germany.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The Bundestag legalises recreational cannabis use in Germany starting on 1 April 2024.
News source(s): CNN
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 JM (talk) 19:26, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Golden Richards

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Article: Golden Richards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/golden-richards-former-cowboys-super-bowl-winning-receiver-dies-at-age-73/
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1970's National Football League wide receiver. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 15:36, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Flaco

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Article: Flaco (owl) (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The New York Times
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Personally, I am opposed for RDs for animals or trees. I don't think it should be posted here. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:27, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BilboBeggins, as with anything, you are welcome to raise the issue at the talk page. Curbon7 (talk) 02:44, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@BilboBeggins: Notability is not treated as a factor in RD nominations, votes should be instead based on the article quality alone. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:22, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Shinsadong Tiger

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Article: Shinsadong Tiger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Korean Hearld ABC News Variety NME, New York Times
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Nominator's comments: K-pop Producer and songwriter. Lightoil (talk) 19:10, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Abcmaxx I have addressed the tags by adding sources. Lightoil (talk) 19:41, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Looks good now. Abcmaxx (talk) 07:11, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jack Biddle

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Article: Jack Biddle (politician) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Yellowhammer News
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Recently created article. Served 32 years in the Alabama Legislature. Kafoxe (talk) 19:02, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Manohar Joshi

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Article: Manohar Joshi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Times of India
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Former Maharashtra Chief Minister and Lok Sabha Speaker. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 03:37, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose full of CN tags. JM (talk) 23:47, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 22

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(Posted) RD: Kent Melton

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Article: Kent Melton (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Cartoon Brew, hollywoodreporter.com
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Nominator's comments: Animation sculptor. Thriley (talk) 05:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Edith Ceccarelli

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Article: Edith Ceccarelli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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Oldest person in the United States. 240F:7A:6253:1:115F:E0C1:FA0D:4EF5 (talk) 16:24, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jean-Guy Talbot

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Article: Jean-Guy Talbot (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC
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Nominator's comments: Canadian hockey player and coach. Article needs some citation work. The Kip 23:53, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support nice work! Abcmaxx (talk) 19:12, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Attention needed) RD: Jesse Baird

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Article: Jesse Baird (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ABC Australia (1), BBC News, ABC Australia (2)
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 Happily888 (talk) 09:55, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you don't necessarily need a body to have a confirmed death, especially given the murder charge. Abcmaxx (talk) 11:19, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like his body has been found. Steelkamp (talk) 06:17, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support well-cited. JM (talk) 23:48, 29 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Roni Stoneman

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Article: Roni Stoneman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Billboard
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240D:1A:4B5:2800:9082:75E:4080:CB47 (talk) 05:37, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Odysseus landing

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Article: Intuitive Machines Nova-C (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Intuitive Machines's lunar lander Odysseus lands on the Moon, the first commercial lunar landing and the first landing by the United States since Apollo 17 in 1972. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The unmanned Odysseus, by American company Intuitive Machines, lands on the Moon, the first commercial Moon landing.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The unmanned Odysseus, by American company Intuitive Machines, successfully completes the first commercial Moon landing.
Alternative blurb III: ​ The unmanned Odysseus completes the first commercial Moon landing.
News source(s): The New York Times
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The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Posted alt2. Anarchyte (talk) 09:02, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 21

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Bulla Loca mine disaster

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Article: Bulla Loca mine disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least fifteen people die after an illegal gold mine collapses in La Paragua, Venezuela. (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
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Mining disaster in Venezuela. Fifteen officially dead and many more injured. NoonIcarus (talk) 05:35, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose bad English. JM (talk) 22:37, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for now The article’s too short & needs copy editing. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 00:18, 28 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Savident

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News source(s): The Guardian
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240F:7A:6253:1:B084:5D4:5A0:2C6D (talk) 07:44, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Pamela Salem

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News source(s): BBC News
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British actress. 240F:7A:6253:1:4976:6327:DB15:65E5 (talk) 13:41, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jayo Archer

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Article: Jayo Archer (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): ESPN
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Death of a prominent motorcross rider who was also an X Games medalist. Abishe (talk) 15:04, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Hydeia Broadbent

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Article: Hydeia Broadbent (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): NBC
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Appears to be well-sourced. Mooonswimmer 23:56, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seems overall well-sourced, one unsourced statement about a book and a TV appearance. JM (talk) 03:02, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've added citations for these both facts. Seems ready to me (just a non-RS Wordpress citation for her sonority). Alexcalamaro (talk) 06:15, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Seniority? --Ouro (blah blah) 14:45, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorority. 57.140.16.1 (talk) 14:21, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for this. --Ouro (blah blah) 13:39, 26 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - now fully cited. Blythwood (talk) 07:46, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ewen MacIntosh

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Article: Ewen MacIntosh (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
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240D:1A:4B5:2800:CD0D:DA83:68EA:1330 (talk) 13:35, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Nuristan landslide

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Consensus will not develop to post, and remains a stub. Stephen 00:59, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Nuristan landslide (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A landslide killed at least 25 people in Afghanistan's Nuristan province. (Post)
News source(s): BBC, VOA, DW, AP, Washington Post
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Needs expansion. Ainty Painty (talk) 05:05, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose: This bears no significance at all. Article is also a complete stub. Don't just nominate articles for ITN simply because it happened. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:29, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - good faith nom! Unfortunately, the article is far from ready to be posted, as it is a stub, and while there is no minimum death requirement for posting disasters and accidents, the notability is also a bit questionable. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 08:08, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality The article is a stub. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 09:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose good faith nom We are not a local disaster report, and the article quality isn't there. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 09:44, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose its a stub Setarip (talk) 13:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment in addition to the above, given that Ainty Painty also created it, I would remind them about WP:NOT#NEWS and WP:NEVENT, and the fact that not all natural disasters are necessarily going to have long-term notability. We do have List of landslides where these can be documented but as that list shows, not every landslide has a standalone article. Creating a stubby news article on something that may not be easily expanded is discouraged. --Masem (t) 13:37, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose due to the article being a stub. I will also oppose on notability unless the event turns into something far bigger. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability A large landslide with a high casualty rate is notable as evidenced by global coverage. Not all natural disasters are necessarily going to have long-term notability, but given we have multiple reliable global sources covering it this meets notability criteria. I would also like to point out there's nothing wrong in nominating at ITN in order to draw attention to an article needing expansion, especially when it's breaking news. Unfortunately, given its Afghanistan, a notoriously difficult part of the world to find consistent and reliable news for, this may be all we ever get so far; however this shouldn't lessen its notability. Abcmaxx (talk) 18:04, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "there's nothing wrong in nominating at ITN in order to draw attention to an article needing expansion"
    I completely disagree, and I greatly dislike when it occurs. (Note that I'm not commenting on this specific nomination.) The point of nominating an article at ITN is to get an article listed on ITN. Kicking222 (talk) 18:20, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One doesn't exclude the other. Most nominations need work before they are posted, especially recent deaths nominations; thus this is an ideal way to improve articles that otherwise would have been missed. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:36, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please review NEVENTS. Specifically just because an event gets a burst of coverage in the short term doesn't make it sufficiently notable for WP. That's what Wikinews is for. We want enduring events, and a landslide with a relatively low death toll in a third world country/region just isn't going to get wide coverage. — Masem (t) 18:50, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the "third world country/region" part is unnecessary here, as we should work to give coverage to all regions of the world. It's just that this specific event doesn't rise to the threshold of ITN notability. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 20:32, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We do want to cover events from all over the world, and we do have to watch for western biases, but there are events that are the equivalent of "if a tree falls in the woods and no one's around to hear it, does it make a sound?" The articles from international sources covering this are extremely short and almost are news-in-brief, compared to other disasters that I've seen from third-world countries that get far more coverage. We sometimes simply cannot support notability of a event if coverage is just lacking, and while we should strive to include such events when the coverage is there, we shouldn't stretch our practices to include them. Masem (t) 01:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I absolutely agree, in this kind of situation the coverage just isn't sufficient sometimes. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 01:43, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    An important thing that NEVENTS says However, this may be difficult or impossible to determine shortly after the event occurs, as editors cannot know whether an event will receive further coverage or not. That an event occurred recently does not in itself make it non-notable. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:43, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on quality still a stub. JM (talk) 02:59, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Fali Sam Nariman

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Article: Fali Sam Nariman (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The Times of India
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Noted Lawyer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 05:01, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose 6 unsourced paragraphs/isolated lines. JM (talk) 03:03, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Abdul Taib Mahmud

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Article: Abdul Taib Mahmud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [6] [7]
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Former Chief Minister and Yang Di-Pertua Negeri (Governor) of the Malaysian state of Sarawak. A prominent name in Sarawakian politics as he had formal and informal power over the state for over 40 years. Tofusaurus (talk) 01:20, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Section has been fixed. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:41, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PenangLion: notability is not treated as a factor in RD nominations, votes should be instead based on the article quality alone. Abcmaxx (talk) 06:55, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the reminder. Despite this, the article is sufficient for a pass judging by article quality itself. gavre (al. PenangLion) (talk) 07:56, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Ameen Sayani

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Article: Ameen Sayani (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The Times of India
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Nominator's comments: Host of Binaca Geetmala Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 23:16, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose mostly unsourced. JM (talk) 03:07, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ihar Lednik

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Article: Ihar Lednik (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Le Monde
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Nominator's comments: Reported worldwide, death of a prominent Belarusian opposition figure and political prisoner. I have just created this article, help on expanding would be much appreciated; nominating in order to draw attention to it. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:36, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bucket of sulfuric acid: Could you take another look at the article? I think the issues have been fixed. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:39, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@PFHLai: The article’s been expanded & there are sources for his date of birth & his approximate date of death. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:39, 27 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Chrysler Halcyon

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The announcement of a new concept car will not gain consensus to post. Stephen 23:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Chrysler Halcyon (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Was in the news; example: CNBC (Post)
News source(s): CNBC
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⚒️★MinecraftPlayer★321⚒️ Let's Chat! 22:58, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I stand corrected, there's an article. Good faith nom, but I still *Oppose MyriadSims (talk) 23:02, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Efeso Collins

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Article: Efeso Collins (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): [8] [9]
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Sitting MP for the Green Party of Aotearoa New Zealand, first sitting MP to die in 11 years. -- David Palmer aka cloventt (talk) 22:51, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, it's a good quality article, with lots about his life, mentoring, charity work, the impact he had on society (he played a role in getting Police Ten 7 cancelled), the evolution of his political beliefs, his run for the mayoralty (which sparked a serious debate on the terrible turnout rate in NZ local elections), and the rest of his 25-year political career. It also has a high quality and handsome photo of him, beautiful video of him being celebrated by Sāmoan dancers after giving his maiden speech. I would definitely Support - this is a tragedy for Auckland as a city, and the nation is in mourning. 222.152.26.228 (talk) 09:07, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, if the bloke who was in Strictly Come Dancing or the guy from Slap Shot gets mentioned instead of Efeso, it would be in very poor taste. 222.152.26.228 (talk) 09:09, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is not the place to dismiss other RD nominations. As the nomination template states, every recently deceased person, animal or organism with a Wiki article is relevant enough to be posted, regardless of what they were known for. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:18, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Robin Windsor

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Article: Robin Windsor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC News, The Times obituary
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2A02:C7C:9241:7B00:8C48:47B6:6279:1761 (talk) 19:14, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Still a small amount of unsourced material, unfortunately. Does every entry in the Strictly tables have to be sourced? Also there seems to still be some disagreement over his date of death, which does not seem to have been published anywhere. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:33, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Date of death now confirmed as 20 February (see The Times obituary above). Martinevans123 (talk) 11:48, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Paul D'Amato

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Article: Paul D'Amato (actor) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Jensen, Tim (February 20, 2024). "Actor Paul D'Amato Dies; Avid Charity Supporter Throughout Connecticut". Enfield, CT Patch.
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Actor with a modest repertoire, but outsized influence due to his scene-stealing appearance in Slap Shot resulting in him becoming the model for the comic book appearance of the character, Wolverine. BD2412 T 15:27, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Andreas Brehme

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Article: Andreas Brehme (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Successful footballer, best known as the scorer of the goal that won West Germany the 1990 World Cup Abcmaxx (talk) 17:51, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 19

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(Posted) RD: Ira von Fürstenberg

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Article: Ira von Fürstenberg (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Il Messaggero
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Italian socialite and actress. Death announced 19 February. Thriley (talk) 04:46, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Oppose - 4 CN tags. A bit much, given the length of the article. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 08:04, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral - Sourcing can still be improved upon, but CN tags have been dealt with. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (talk | contribs) 10:26, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kagney Linn Karter

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Adult film star Kagney Linn Karter dies at age 36. Heatrave (talk) 05:47, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Yasmine Gooneratne

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She died on 15 February 2024 but her death was reported by Sunday Times only as of today. Unfortunately few sources have reported her demise. Abishe (talk) 02:28, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now The article has multiple unsourced statements, and likely needs cleanup. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 10:19, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 18

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(Reviewers needed) RD: Acharya Vidyasagar

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News source(s): https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/jain-seer-acharya-vidyasagar-maharaj-passes-through-sallekhna-pm-modi-offers-condolences/articleshow/107791170.cms
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Indian Digambara Jain Acharya (Digambar Jain Monk) recognized for his scholarship and tapasya (austerity). 65.94.213.53 (talk) 12:34, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Michael O'Regan (journalist)

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Nominator's comments: Irish journalist, political analyst and broadcaster. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 12:34, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bobbie Wygant

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American television news reporter, film critic, talk show host. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 12:34, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) British Academy Film Awards

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Article: 77th British Academy Film Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the British Academy Film Awards, Oppenheimer wins Best Film and six other awards, including Best Actor (winner Cillian Murphy pictured). (Post)
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Only thing missing is the In Memoriam, seemingly because it hasn't got a source. Otherwise, good prose update and ref for the winners already there. Kingsif (talk) 21:33, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

On every article about the film awards, the information about nods and noms (e.g. The trio of Barbie, Killers of the Flower Moon, and Oppenheimer led the longlists ...) is in the "Ceremony information" section. Shouldn't they be in the "Winners and nominees" section instead? Shouldn't the "Ceremony information" section be named "Ceremony" instead? Is there something I'm missing here? Aaron Liu (talk) 21:59, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, do we really need separate sections for the non-recurring awards? Can't we put them together in the awards table? Aaron Liu (talk) 22:03, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you are talking about things like the BAFTA Fellowship, those don't have nominee lists that are publicly known, so it makes sense to keep them outside the table. — Masem (t) 23:36, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see why the table has to only contain always-recurring items. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think ITNC is really the place to be chatting about the format of all the film awards articles Kingsif (talk) 03:06, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Moved to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Film awards task force
or maybe, copied. Aaron Liu (talk) 03:37, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support The article is of generally good quality and is well-sourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 22:37, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Article looks ready to go. Moncoposig (talk) 01:42, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks fully-cited and well-written. The Kip 03:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted with Best Director as the higher level award. Stephen 05:02, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have to point out again that the Statistics section is unsourced, which is what stopped the Emmys from being posted. Either we accept that these are routine CALC and not SNYTH, or this should be pulled until sources are added. --Masem (t) 05:12, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Just my 2 cents, but I've always been in favor of that material being considered under WP:CALC. The info's already right there in the section above, it's just reformatting what's already there. The Kip 05:35, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I thought the argument for needing sources was because some editors thought that it was unimportant how many noms/wins something or another had, so the sources were there to show it was considered important - and that, with the Emmys, this was brought up because how many noms/wins various networks had was considered particularly unimportant/irrelevant by those editors (or maybe it's because the networks weren't always listed, so it was SYNTH, but the networks was brought up). As it is, I think it is simple CALC as long as it's only for what is listed, so if we're not concerned with that, it should be fine. Kingsif (talk) 05:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      It's definitely SYNTH, for exactly the reasons you highlight. Particularly so when there are footnotes explaining why certain listings are deemed ambiguous due to whether or not a rising star award is chosen. Either that section should be chopped (or sourced) or the ITN should be pulled. Particularly so as we've not posted the Emmys for the same reason.  — Amakuru (talk) 12:55, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      For the Emmys it was shown there were sources that listed what got the most noms/wins (though not necessarily to the same degree as in the RSes), and I do think that there is info for that for the BAFTAs, but I still read the Emmy oppose !votes as more a SNYTH issue in terms of adding up those ourselves and possibly making mistakes in that count. Masem (t) 13:08, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I have removed this deeply controversial section Stephen 00:49, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    And its back already. Masem (t) 01:20, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I've popped a question on whether these sections are SYNTH or not over at WP:NORN, since it feels we need an answer here. — Masem (t) 01:34, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 17

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(Posted) RD: Juan Uriarte

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Article: Juan Uriarte (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): El País
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Basque bishop, recognised for his work for peace during the Basque conflict as mediator between the Spanish government and the terrorist group ETA during the 1999 truce. I have been working on his article today, expanding its content and making sure everything is sourced with RS, so I think it is ready to be posted. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:27, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support No problems I can see Aaron Liu (talk) 19:40, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support This has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:03, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Admins willing to post ITN: ready to go. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:19, 24 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mary Bartlett Bunge

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American neuroscientist. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 05:40, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Gamini Jayawickrama Perera

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Sri Lankan politician, former Minister of Buddha Sasana. Titanciwikitalk/contrib 21:10, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Johan Galtung

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Norwegian sociologist, principal founder of the discipline of peace and conflict studies. --NoonIcarus (talk) 00:30, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mike Procter

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South African Cricketer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 20:53, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lefty Driesell

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Y2hyaXM (talk) 15:50, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Russia takes the city of Avdiivka

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Consensus to post has not developed. Stephen 23:14, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Battle of Avdiivka (2022–2024) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ukrainian forces withdraw from Avdiivka, leading to a Russian victory in the battle. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ukrainian forces withdraw from Avdiivka, leading to a Russian victory in the battle.
News source(s): BBC;The Guardian
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  • Comment I can't oppose this because the supporters are right. This is a major strategic victory, which practically achieves one of Russia's primary goals—that is, fully capture Donetsk. On the other hand, I can't support this on procedural grounds because of the ongoing item, which has been placed there for months with nothing spectacular happening. I proposed a removal of the ongoing item twice and warned that one day a major event would happen that would merit inclusion on its own. That day has cone.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:58, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Great article, and while there is ongoing, it's not unprecedented that major events within the context of ongoing are posted to ITN. Kcmastrpc (talk) 14:05, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Already covered by ongoing. Moreover, the blurb is non-neutral. Grabbing some territory containing burned out buildings while losing 10,000s of troops and 100s of armored vehicles is not necessarily a "victory." Jehochman Talk 18:53, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It might be a pyrrhic victory, but getting the city absolutely qualifies as a victory. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 18:59, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I understand why this was nominated, but it's unlikely to be a decisive moment in the war. Before the invasion it had a population of 30,000 - a small town. This is a far less important capture than those of Kherson, Mairupol, Sievierodonetsk, and arguably even Bakhmut. Just because the war has largely been a stalemate in the last year doesn't mean we should blurb every advance - that's what the Ongoing entry is for. Modest Genius talk 19:13, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    PS. to quote the 'strategic importance' section of the article: "the Russian capture of Avdiivka would not have a strategic impact on the overall war". Modest Genius talk 19:18, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt - normally Id say covered by ongoing, but its a really good article and as a story its gotten enough attention to merit posting on its own. nableezy - 19:29, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose covered by ongoing, good faith nom though. Hungry403 (talk) 00:11, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Dmitry Markov (photographer)

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Article: Dmitry Markov (photographer) (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/02/16/russian-photographer-dmitry-markov-dies-at-42-a84121
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Russian journalist and photographer who on the same day as Navalny. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 05:48, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Alain Cribier

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Pioneering French cardiologist. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 12:14, 18 February 2024

(Posted) RD: Idris Ali (politician)

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News source(s): https://www.deccanherald.com/india/west-bengal/tmc-mla-idris-ali-dies-from-illness-2897354
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Indian MP Member of Parliament for the 16th Lok Sabha from Basirhat, West Bengal. --65.94.213.53 (talk) 12:14, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@PFHLai: I added a reference & put it in the main prose. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 04:08, 23 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: José Gotovitch

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Nominator's comments: An important and influential figure in the writing of Belgium's contemporary history. Death only announced on 17 February. —Brigade Piron (talk) 12:05, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bryan Thomas

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Nominator's comments: English architect Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 16:39, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Imtiaz Qureshi

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Indian chef. Article is a reasonable start-class biography Article has developed to at least a C-class biography. Rater.js says B-class, but, I think it is a solid C-class. Ktin (talk) 03:55, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Article appears well sourced Dantus21 (talk) 12:51, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted, Closed) Alexei Navalny dies

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The discussion has petered out finally on a contentious nomination. If there are any further issues with the blurb, these should be discussed at WP:ERRORS. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:35, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: Alexei Navalny (talk · history · tag) and Death of Alexei Navalny (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in the Russian Gulag at the age of 47. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in Russian prison near Kharp, Russia at the age of 47.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in a penal colony near Kharp, Russia at the age of 47.
Alternative blurb III: ​ Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny dies in a penal colony near Kharp, Russia at the age of 47.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ Russian authorities report the death of opposition leader Alexei Navalny in a penal colony near Kharp, Russia at the age of 47.
News source(s): Kommersant; Sky News; Life.ru; The Guardian
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EXTREMLY STRONG SUPPORT, BUT WAIT Putin may be lying about the death of a political rival, so before we add it, we should at least get confirmation from his family. Redacted II (talk) 17:13, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Indisputably notable. KlayCax (talk) 17:37, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Last I checked, reliable secondary sourcing is a requirement before we post someone's death on the main page. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 17:42, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And we have that? From Sky, The Guardian, The NYT... Aaron Liu (talk) 18:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Sky and Guardian sources in the proposal are based entirely on the official Russian claims, which are known for being untrustworthy. That's not independent sourcing Gimmethegepgun (talk) 18:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
All of them are reporting what the Russian authorities say, which automatically makes it a question. We need independent sourcing on the actual claim, not something from Russia's govt — Masem (t) 18:24, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support and NOW. Preferably in version IV, until the little doubt there may be as to the veracity of the report has been quelled. But (at least at the moment of writing this) his article reports his death as a fact, so any of the versions are OK.Nø (talk) 17:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That his article reports the death as fact is a problem with the article, not an argument to propagate the problem here. Sources aren't in agreement yet. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:48, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for posting, and support for stronger wording such as 'prisoner of conscience', 'political prisoner' or 'Putin's opponent'. Supported by sources such as Amnesty International. Melmann 17:51, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Amnesty intentional is known here as a biased but factually true source due to being an advocacy group. Stringing together "opposition leader" and "dies in [prison]" is enough IMO. Aaron Liu (talk) 18:09, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Fulton Kuykendall

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News source(s): https://www.ajc.com/sports/atlanta-falcons/former-falcon-fulton-kuykendall-known-as-kaptain-krazy-dies-at-age-70/ZPGZIWPUCZDKRCP3AOA7L37PNU/
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(Posted) RD: Roeland Nolte

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News source(s): https://www.kncv.nl/k/n1110/news/view/209179/878/overlijden-kncv-erelid-roeland-nolte.html
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(Closed) Legalisation of same-sex marriage and adoptions in Greece

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No consensus to post. Stephen 22:50, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Recognition of same-sex unions in Greece (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Hellenic Parliament of Greece votes to legalize same-sex marriage and adoptions, making Greece the first Eastern Orthodox country to do so. (Post)
News source(s): BBC News CNN Reuters
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This is a historic and significant development for LGBT rights in Greece, especially when they're the first Eastern Orthodox country to legalise same-sex marriage. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:09, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - is there any likelihood that this will not become law? I'm not sure whether there's another step after this. --RockstoneSend me a message! 05:14, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The next step for the bill is to receive assent from the president and for it to be published on the gazette. The bill was proposed by the ND government and was supported by both Syriza and PASOK, the 2 other major parties. I'm not the most familiar with Greek politics but I'd say it's fairly likely it'll become law. Tofusaurus (talk) 05:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose because while perhaps the first Eastern Orthodox country to legalize this, it is far from the first European country and in fact more catching up to the normal the rest of the world has. --Masem (t) 05:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Same-sex marriage is recognised in just 37 countries, that is hardly 'catching up to the normal the rest of the world has'.
    Traumnovelle (talk) 09:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support from a quick overview of the article it seems good enough. I don't think we should oppose a blurb just because it's not the first on the continent. JM (talk) 05:55, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per JM. The EO church and its adherents have traditionally broken more socially conservative, and while not quite as much a "woah" moment as it would be if, say, Ukraine or Serbia legalized it, it's still a notable milestone. It's the first nation in the Balkans to have done so as well. The Kip 07:29, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Article is impressive and detailed, though it could use a bit more historical context. Level of significance is good. Quick question: does this go in effect immediately? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. While Orthodox, Greece is in the European Union where LGBT agenda is known to be prominent. Likely better fits DYK. Brandmeistertalk 08:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    While the expansion on the article the past week has been significant, it isn't actually anywhere near the DYK line. Or do you think the article should go for GA? It does look pretty good. Wouldn't say that "did you know [country] legalized gay marriage in 2024" is a particularly compelling DYK blurb, though. Any particular reason you think this article would work well on DYK? ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:52, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Struck that, I'm agnostic about DYK now. Brandmeistertalk 20:30, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose there are >30 countries in the world that have legalized same-sex marriage, so this is not remarkable. You could argue that Greece is the first Eastern Orthodox country to recognize same-sex marriage, but countries are not defined by their religion. Banedon (talk) 08:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Oppose per Banedon. Modest Genius talk 11:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support - I don't think opposing this on the grounds of Greece not being the first country, or even the first European country, to legalise same-sex marriage, is the right course of action. This is still a significant development in terms of LGBT rights. And even if being a first in *something* had to be a factor (which i.m.o. it doesn't, but it could of course be argued), being the first Balkan or Eastern Orthodox country to do so should be more than enough to fit the criteria. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 08:56, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Both France, Germany, Iceland, the Pitcairn Islands and UK laws didn't make it into ITN and it's rare for a law being passed to make it into ITN, fail to see why same-sex marriage should be any different Traumnovelle (talk) 09:39, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until it becomes law, then post the legalisation. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 11:50, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose just as we've opposed it for so many other countries that previously legalised same sex marriages. Being an Eastern Orthodox country isn't a sufficient reason for this to be treated differently to previous countries' nominations for the equivalent legislation. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support As per above, there have been numerous countries that have legalized same-sex marriage, and the number is still growing. Decisions like this we have posted, such as in Taiwan, have usually been due to the country being the first to do so in a geographical region. While that doesn't apply here, this is also the first Eastern Orthodox country to do so. I believe that, because marriage in the Eastern Orthodox tradition is said to be specifically between a man and a woman, and some Eastern Orthodox leaders explicitly denounce same-sex marriage, this is notable enough for ITN. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per 2G0o2De0l. Milestone legalization. Moncoposig (talk) 16:14, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per the comments --cyrfaw (talk) 16:21, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, a country legalizing same-sex marriage is ITN-worthy in my opinion. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 17:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support First Orthodox Christian-majority country to legalize same-sex marriage. KlayCax (talk) 17:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose largely per Masem. Greece is nominally Orthodox with most people self-identifying as such, but regular church attendance is fairly low and according to Pew Research statistics only around half of all Greeks consider religion an important part of their lives. In short, it is starting to look more like Italy, a country that is nominally Catholic but in practice quite secular. And as noted above, Greece is a member of the EU. So this was coming as inevitably as the sun rising in the east. I think the big story here is that Greece is losing its religiosity. Churches are still crowded during Holy Week, but for much of the rest of the year, it's mostly the older generation, and mainly women. For many Greeks church attendance comes down to baptisms, weddings, funerals, Great Friday and Easter (Pascha). Some will add to that Christmas and their name day. While detailed numbers on church attendance are hard to come by, anecdotal evidence suggests that most of those <30 do so only when obliged for social reasons. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:54, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose When the ITN brought up the legalization of same-sex marriage in Cuba (which IMO was far more significant as it was the first authoritarian country and Caribbean country do so, and it was paired with more extensive pro-LGBT legislation such as including more rigorous gender rights protections), it was struck down on the grounds that merely being the first in a region wasn't sufficient grounds for same-sex marriage legalization news to be posted, and that only if it was an extraordinary circumstance (like if a super-conservative country like Russia or KSA legalized it) will it be allowed. Also the claim that Greece is the first Balkan country to do so is wrong, as Slovenia has allowed it since 2022. This means that it's only "historic" because it's the first the Eastern Orthodox country to do so, which is an extremely weak justification for posting given that relatively few countries follow it. Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 19:34, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The nomination for Cuba recognizing same-sex marriages was not "struck down". Rather, there were about equal votes on either side, and consensus was not reached in either direction. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 20:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It wasn't posted, so I consider it struck down Mount Patagonia (talk • contributions) 20:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be struck down would be a consensus against posting. In that case, there was no consensus and people argued until the news wasn't news anymore. Aaron Liu (talk) 20:40, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Greece is hardly the conservative orthodox country it used to be. Not particularly surprising or transformative. Countries like Russia, Iran, etc would be blurbable. Thriley (talk) 19:41, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose we didn't post for example countries that were the first to abolish capital punishment, or legalise/decriminalise cannabis, so we should be consistent. Abcmaxx (talk) 00:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually the legalization of Marijuana in Canada was posted (Personal attack removed) --24.125.98.89 (talk) 03:23, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That was 5 years ago though, I nominated several countries abolishing capital punishment and all those got quite unanimously voted against posting. Abcmaxx (talk) 05:56, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "Country changes law", no different from any other everyday legislative change. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 06:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support the first ORTHODOX nation to legalize gay marriage? Holy shit, those guys are like REALLY conservative (ISNT RUSSIA ORTHODOX???). A huge win for all the 2SLGBTQI+ people and their allies in this world, and a clear show of disgust towards the russians where they massacre gay people hence my support vote Kasperquickly (talk) 06:38, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See above, Greece is pretty secular. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:57, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - if Wikipedia does post this then it needs to set some standard as to when such a move gets posted. I also have an issue with the idea that "marriage" related topics get posted because marriage is a cultural concept and not something that's truly a human right. You can have all the rights without even having a marriage in many western countries for example. DragonSign (talk) 09:29, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I think that some LGBTQ items should be posted (especially revoking laws that forbid homosexual sex), but gay marriage is just one of numerous gay rights that include things such as gay adoption, and anti-discrimination laws are arguably much more important for example. If Wikipedia were to post all the progresses then I would support, but gay marriage is not globally notable in my opinion.

    Furthermore numerous countries around the world will soon legalise gay marriage or provide something similar, and I doubt that Wikipedia will post all of them, and I doubt that Wikipedia has posted all the gay marriages that have already happened.

    To back up the point I am trying to make, it's not essential for people to get married whether heterosexual or homosexual. It's a cultural issue that can sometimes be indicative of homophobia in a country, but as we have seen with Taiwan, the opposite can also be true. In many cases it's simply indicative of nothing more than political theatre.

    DragonSign (talk) 09:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - It is the first Orthodox Christian country to do so, and is also only one of 37 (out of 197) nations which have done so - less than a fifth of countries have legalised same sex marriage, which is far from a majority and is unfortunately almost half the amount of countries which criminalise same sex activity (65). For both of these reasons I believe this is still significant news and should be included in ITN, especially when we include far less significant events like big sports games. greyzxq talk 00:22, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Big sports games are very significant for a vast proportion of the world's population, much more so than for the percentage of the total 10 million Greeks who will consider marriage rights significant. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:13, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Marriage is significant for a person's life, a sports tournament is significant for a person's mood for the day. JM (talk) 19:37, 22 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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February 14

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(Posted) RD: William Post (businessman)

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Article: William Post (businessman) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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He is credited with inventing Pop-Tarts. Death announced 14 February. Thriley (talk) 04:05, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

actually it says nothing about his invention or how it came about. Abcmaxx (talk) 21:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Angela Chao

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News source(s): NY Times
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Death announced 14 February. Thriley (talk) 19:35, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Moncoposig: Chao’s article has been expanded. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ventura Pérez Mariño

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Article: Ventura Pérez Mariño (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Voz de Galicia] (in Spanish)
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Spanish judge and politician. Admittedly a lot comes from an obituary, but most of his work was pre-2000 and this isn't a GA or FA nomination. Sources entirely in Spanish due to domestic field of work. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:45, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Super Bowl parade shooting

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Consensus against posting. Natg 19 (talk) 19:10, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2024 Kansas City parade shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the United States, twenty-eight people are shot, including 11 children, in a shooting during a Super Bowl parade in Kansas City, Missouri. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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A truly shocking event, even as far as shootings in the U.S. go, happening during a parade associated with one of the largest nationally-televised sporting events in the country. Unusual in that it involved multiple shooters and children were injured. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 16:06, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I know the people who still think we have a minimum death threshold will think this doesn't measure up to other shootings, but this being at the Super Bowl victory parade generated a lot more attention (and news coverage) than a typical mass shooting gets. The article quality is good, this is what ITN is for. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:16, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is business as usual in the US, not a significant number of caualities, and just because it was tied to an event like a Super Bown victory parade doesn't give it any extra weight. Vague hand waving from leaders on tighter gun control but this certainly isn't going to turn that tide. It's an equivalent argument of why we should be posting any given protest in the world without a clear larger impact. Masem (t) 16:22, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The "business as usual" argument would mean we shouldn't have posted the Super Bowl at all since it's "business as usual" that someone won and a new offseason begins. Many of the items ITN posts are "business as usual" in that respect. The weight comes from the news coverage, and the significance of the event is not tied to the gun control legislation that will or will not come from this. We post tons of items without "clear larger impact". Compare and contrast this article with another one-death mass shooting article that is on track to be deleted. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes but recurring items are generally once per year if new less frequent, whereas gun shootings, and other similar mass casualty events, worldwide, are too frequent to post every single one. — Masem (t) 17:15, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Masem is right. Another day, another shooting in the United States. Sad routine. _-_Alsor (talk) 16:39, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem, and honestly, this is a perfect example of media bias and it's influence on coverage. Where and when the shooting happened does not actually change the reality that this was a small fatality incident. It just makes it a more flashy topic to cover. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:42, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Maybe if this had some notable cause I would reconsider, but I don't see much reason to post this when considering that the police say that the shooting had "no nexus to terrorism", and rather started after a dispute among three people. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 17:23, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per above. Unfortunately, it is an all too-common event, that just managed to find itself in a vastly more public event. While the article is good, the feasible decision is to leave it at that. Mjeims (talk) 17:48, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Masem. It's a tragic routine, and this certainly won't spark any change. Moncoposig (talk) 18:29, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Folake Onayemi

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Article: Folake Onayemi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.primestarnews.com/first-female-professor-of-classics-folake-onayemi-dies-at-59/
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Nigerian Professor. Article looks to be almost ready. Onegreatjoke (talk) 14:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - issue was fixed. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 10:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Support article quality is pretty good Setarip (talk) 14:44, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Don Gullett

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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [14]
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– Muboshgu (talk) 20:39, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support The article is of sufficiently good quality. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 23:42, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Prabowo wins the Indonesian presidential election

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Per nominator's withdrawal, too soon. InedibleHulk (talk) 09:26, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2024 Indonesian presidential election (talk · history · tag) and Prabowo Subianto (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following quick count, Prabowo Subianto is projected to win the 2024 Indonesian presidential election. (Post)
News source(s): Forbes, New York Times
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Based on the quick count, Prabowo has near 60% of Indonesians voting for him. I get this is very early, but from the track record and from my experience as an Indonesian myself quick count is generally accurate with margin of error around 5%, and since he has over 50% of votes (especially 55%+), he will win without going to the second round. MarioJump83 (talk) 14:46, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment the nomination has the election article as the nominated one, but the bio article as the bolded one. Which one is actually intended to be featured? JM (talk) 03:17, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
the 2024 Indonesian presidential election is the one Setarip (talk) 14:53, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then that one should be bolded instead of the bio. In any case, @MarioJump83 should answer. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:00, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for ducking this question, I meant Prabowo Subianto should be the one that was bolded since I followed the Ilham Aliyev's reelection ITN nomination, but 2024 Indonesian presidential election being bolded, as I realized is more proper. And also, I think this ITN should be withdrawn as we should wait for official results that will be finalized in March 20th after some reconsideration, this nomination is going nowhere anyway. MarioJump83 (talk) 21:38, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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February 13

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  • Around ten people are believed to be trapped underground after a landslide near the Çöpler mine in İliç, Turkey. A rescue operation is ongoing. (NOS)

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(Posted) RD: Johanna von Koczian

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Article: Johanna von Koczian (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Die Welt
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Multi-talented German actress on stage in plays and musicals, in film, on television, also a popular singer (landed a hit), television presenter, book author ... - article is growing. So far the references were miserable, it's getting better. Check out and improve if you can. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:59, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas

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Not posted and closing per WP:SNOW. Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 16:07, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Impeachment of Alejandro Mayorkas (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The United States House of Representatives votes to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ United States Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas is impeached by the House of Representatives, the first impeachment of a cabinet member since 1876.
News source(s): BBC ABC News AP
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Tofusaurus (talk) 05:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose for multiple reasons. One, actual conviction in the senate is considered impossible with the Democratic majority. Two, this is nowhere close to, say, the outing of McConnell as House Speaker in terms of impact of how the gov't will function. Three, this absolutely is just political theater that we avoid featuring as news items. Just because its the first Cabinet member impeachment in more than a century is not reason for us to post this. --Masem (t) 05:43, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support we've posted a similarly pointless/inconsequential impeachment of DJT, it'd only be fair if we've posted this as well. Kasperquickly (talk) 07:21, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
DJT was impeached for actual crimes, where this is just nakedly political. GreatCaesarsGhost 15:58, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Andrew - no conviction has been made. Moncoposig (talk) 14:20, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per BLPCRIME. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 15:04, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose No conviction was made. Setarip (talk) 15:38, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: David Bouley

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Article: David Bouley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
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Article updated
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2024 Indian farmers' protest

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Article: 2024 Indian farmers' protest (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Tens of thousands of farmers start a protest in Delhi. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Tens of thousands of farmers protest in Delhi to guarantee minimum support price for crop produce.
News source(s): Economic Times [15], Associated Press [16]
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Davidindia (talk) 12:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on notability, oppose on quality A protest with hundreds of thousands of people is certainly notable. However, the article is currently badly written, and must be improved if we plan on posting it to ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 22:43, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That depends on if we evaluate based on percentage or nominals. India has 1.4+ billion people. Is there precedent on which we should use? Aaron Liu (talk) 23:56, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no concept of precedent with ITN. Per WP:ITNSIGNIF:

It is highly subjective whether an event is considered significant enough, and ultimately each event should be discussed on its own merits. The consensus among those discussing the event is all that is necessary to decide if an event is significant enough for posting.

—Bagumba (talk) 06:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose until we can get a more accurate approximation of how many people are involved in the protests, and until the article is improved.
Moncoposig (talk) 17:13, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Chaudhry Muhammad Adnan

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Article: Chaudhry Muhammad Adnan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dawn
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Ainty Painty (talk) 06:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 2024 Azerbaijani presidential election

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Stale, the election was on the 7th. Stephen 23:54, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: 2024 Azerbaijani presidential election (talk · history · tag) and Ilham Aliyev (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ilham Aliyev is re-elected as the president of Azerbaijan (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ilham Aliyev wins the 2024 Azerbaijani presidential election with 92% of vote
Alternative blurb II: ​ Ilham Aliyev is re-elected for fifth consecutive term following the 2024 Azerbaijani presidential election
Alternative blurb III: ​ The president of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliyev begins a new term in office.
News source(s): BBC, Al Jazeera, France 24, DW
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--ShadZ01 (talk) 07:06, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support? honestly not sure about this one. Article looks good to go, but "dictator wins rigged election" is not exactly a news story This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 10:59, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is one of the "widely seen by international observers as neither free nor fair" cases, and it's a re-election. I don't think we posted his last re-election, which was of more significance, as terms were just extended from five to seven years by Aliyev himself. Moncoposig (talk) 14:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, as it says above, "dictator wins rigged election" is not ITN-level news. JM (talk) 15:32, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Kiril Simeonovski is this really ITN/R? It's neither a general election nor a change in the administrator of the executive, as far as I can tell. JM (talk) 15:35, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@JM2023: Basically, it's a re-election of a person who exercises large executive powers (note that Azerbaijan has a semi-presidential system similar to those in Russia, Ukraine, Romania and France).
  • Comment This is an ITN/R item and will remain so as long as we don't exclude sham elections, which is very difficult to do given that there are no measurable indicators on the democraticity of an election.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 15:41, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    But a re-election isn't a "change in the holder of the office which administers the executive of their respective state/government". JM (talk) 15:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think this is ITNR. WP:ITNELECTIONS specifically says that the change in a head of state is ITNR, and this is not a change in the head of state, and I don't think this is a general election (that would probably be the parliamentary elections in Azerbijan). 2G0o2De0l (talk) 16:13, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This technically qualifies as a general election in the same way it is in the countries in brackets in one of my previous comments. If the prime minister were a more powerful office, he’d probably opted to exercise an authoritarian rule from that one. I see that we’ve posted Putin’s and Macron’s re-elections as ITN/R items, so this is most definitely in the same league.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 17:22, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose scam election. would you have posted Stalin in 1940? Or Hitler? yikes... Kasperquickly (talk) 07:19, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb 3 if orange-tag is resolved – Two well-detailed articles on a dictator and his election, a government that influences politics and power in the region strongly. A subject many of our readers might be unfamiliar with. I think this is a very appropriate feature for us; a fine reason to show off our writing on this. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:37, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What in the world, Aliyev's article isn't updated at all, the election isn't even mentioned in it. It definitely shouldn't be bold-linked if this is featured, and I don't think we should feature the election article at all if the article on the man isn't updated... ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:44, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Rudolf Jansen

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Article: Rudolf Jansen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://slippedisc.com/2024/02/much-recorded-dutch-pianist-dies-84/ https://www.nporadio4.nl/klassiek/podium/397b117b-6b3b-4cfb-bff0-5e67cfeb21dc/liedbegeleider-rudolf-jansen-84-overleden
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Dutch pianist. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 11:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Chuck Mawhinney

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Article: Chuck Mawhinney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/military/story/2024-02-17/chuck-mawhinney-camp-pendleton-marine-who-became-deadliest-sniper-in-the-corps-history-dies-at-75 , https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2024/02/chuck-mawhinney-legendary-vietnam-war-sniper-dies-in-baker-city-at-75.html
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Vietnam War-era US Marine who holds the Corps' record for the most confirmed sniper kills. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 11:34, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Steve Wright

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Article: Steve Wright (DJ) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Guardian
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Nominator's comments: Radio DJ. I'll see if I can get the article up to scratch. Ollieisanerd (talk • contribs) 17:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Mjroots' nomination was removed as a duplicate. The nomination belongs in the 13th as that's the date that the news broke and we usually go by that rather than the precise date of death. There's often a delay before the family makes a public announcement and this often lacks details. See talk page discussion.
The news was all over the UK broadcast and online media on the 13th and it's on the front pages of the newspapers today, the 14th, as Wright was something of a national treasure.
This made his article the top read on Wikipedia on the 13th. Knowing that there would be a lot of interest, I made sure that we had a good picture in place. I chose one of his prime and cropped it because it's fair use. It's not a common picture so it's interesting that The Times chose to crop the same picture in the same way for their front page – I wonder if they followed my lead or just used the same logic.
As for ITN, RD won't work well because Steve Wright is a common name and so some context is needed as disambiguation. But that's a perennial issue.
Andrew🐉(talk) 08:25, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Andrew Davidson. Looks like I was beaten to the nom by about 6 minutes. Explanation accepted and understood. Mjroots (talk) 10:01, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Bob Edwards

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News source(s): NPR
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Peabody Award-winning radio host of National Public Radio's All Things Considered and Morning Edition. Death announced today. Thriley (talk) 21:07, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose There are two CN tags. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:27, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 11

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(Posted) RD: Ladislav Burlas

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Article: Ladislav Burlas (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): Slovak Music Centre
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Notable musicologist and composer in Slovakia, had no article yet. There's a long list of works so far commented out because I had no time to check, but it's probably also sourced to the detailed entry of Slovak Music Centre. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:48, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Edit: If Ollieisanerd thinks it’s good enough, it’s probably good enough. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 20:32, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, in a way I hope so, between I'm afraid that if I write 5 refs in Slovak and 5 in English, for the same site, some might shake heads, no? - What do others think? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:45, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Gerda Arendt: I’ve added clarifying references. I think I got confused by the mixture of English & non-English (mostly Slovak) titles & the bibliography including works that seem to be written by other authors, but it seems good enough now, so I think it’s ready. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 21:43, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Mihai Amihalachioaie

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Article: Mihai Amihalachioaie (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://realitatea.md/doliu-in-lumea-muzicii-s-a-stins-din-viata-acordeonistul-si-dirijorul-mihai-amihalachioaie/
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Moldovan conductor. Article looks good. Onegreatjoke (talk) 13:21, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posted. Thanks for the new footnote. --PFHLai (talk) 17:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Isabel Mijares

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News source(s): El Pais
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Death announced 11 February. Thriley (talk) 17:04, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment only three sources and page created posthumously. I'm on mobile and don't speak Spanish so can't check notability. Sincerely, Novo TapeMy Talk Page 17:38, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Her obituary is in El País. She is definitely notable. Please note that RD is not the place to question notability, only the quality of the article is to be assessed. Thriley (talk) 17:49, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Striking my comment. Sincerely, Novo TapeMy Talk Page 19:05, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bob Moore (American food executive)

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News source(s): Washington Post
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Article was recently created. Needs expansion. Thriley (talk) 07:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Super Bowl LVIII

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Article: Super Bowl LVIII (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In American football, the Kansas City Chiefs defeat the San Francisco 49ers to win the Super Bowl. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In American football, the Kansas City Chiefs (most valuable player Patrick Mahomes pictured) defeat the San Francisco 49ers in the Super Bowl.
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(Posted) African Cup of Nations

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Article: 2023 Africa Cup of Nations (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Sébastien Haller scores the winning goal to help Ivory Coast win the 2023 Africa Cup of Nations (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, Ivory Coast win the 2023 Africa Cup of Nations after beating Nigeria in the final
News source(s): [18]
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Heatrave (talk) 23:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Those we can include a key player as the item's picture should we post this. But again, we should be asking who the MVP is and use that person first and foremost. --Masem (t) 02:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted blurb) RD/Blurb: Kelvin Kiptum

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Blurb:  Kelvin Kiptum, holder of the marathon world record, dies at 24 in a car crash along with his coach. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Marathon world record holder Kelvin Kiptum dies in a car crash at the age of 24.
News source(s): 1, 2
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The current world-record marathon holder. — xaosflux Talk 22:52, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Fixed a few typos, not sure about the choice of putting the death along with the "early life" section, and maybe something could be done for the tables at the end. Nonetheless, a pretty well-referenced article, should be good to post. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 23:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support massive loss for the sport; would even support blurbing, but that will probably be a minority view. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I support a blurb as well if such a discussion will be held. Clearly a top of the field athlete.BabbaQ (talk) 01:46, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb too. He was just on ITN for winning the record. --Jiaminglimjm (talk) 01:49, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb—world record holder of a major sporting section BhamBoi (talk) 05:43, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
 
breaking the course record in london
 
breaking the world record in chicago
  • support blurb. he was just getting started. after he broke the world record in only his third marathon, commentators were saying that he had still quite a bit of energy left in him. it seemed like breaking the two-hour mark was well within reach.
    note that we have a picture of him breaking the world record in chicago, though it may need to be cropped if it is to be used on the main page. we also have a photo of him breaking the course record in london earlier that year, which we used when we posted the breaking of the world record to itn in october. (full disclosure: in case it is seen as a conflict of interest, i should mention that i was the editor who created the "2023 Chicago Marathon" article.) dying (talk) 02:59, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb - unexpected death for someone obviously at the top of his field so recently. Proposed altblurb. starship.paint (RUN) 03:24, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb Unexpected tragic death of a young top figure in his field, and being the marathon record holder is mainstream/commonly-known enough. The Kip 05:19, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb, worldwide headlines. Shadow4dark (talk) 06:03, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb. Massive loss to the running community, and so young. Breaking the world record in Chicago would be the picture I'd go for. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:52, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until we have more details of the accident. This happened late last night so daylight will literally shed more light on the scene but there don’t seem to be any photos yet. And we need more time to clean up our coverage. For example, it's reported that he was driving a Toyota Premio and our article about that says that it's only sold in Japan. It's wrong. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Presumably that means it is only sold new in Japan... But in Kenya, a large proportion of cars are imported, often because it's cheaper than buying local new cars, and many do come from Japan, perhaps because they both drive on the left.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:13, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Andrew Davidson: - the car could have been a cheap second-hand car sent to Kenya. This is a minor detail, really. starship.paint (RUN) 09:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Finnish presidential election

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Article: 2024 Finnish presidential election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Alexander Stubb wins the 2024 Finnish presidential election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Alexander Stubb is elected President of Finland
News source(s): Reuters, AP, Yle
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JIP | Talk 20:04, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support altblurb as per orbitalbuzzsaw. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I support this posting after the fact as well, because the President will have a lot of influence on the continued relations between Finland and Russia over the next coming years. The President post is not as insinuated without much power. Posting was a good decision.BabbaQ (talk) 02:22, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 10

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(Posted) RD: Anthony Epstein

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News source(s): https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/professor-sir-anthony-epstein-zgpcfj5wk
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British pathologist, one of the discoverers of the Epstein–Barr virus. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 07:10, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Harold Mitchell

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Article: Harold Mitchell (media buyer) (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-11/harold-mitchell-dead-at-81/103453500
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Australian businessman, media buyer, philanthropist and humanitarian. HiLo48 (talk) 03:50, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose Two CN tags, and an infobox would be a good addition. The Kip 04:07, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Now there are 4 {cn} tags, including a new one for the sentence with his date and place of birth. Much of the prose consists of paragraphs with just one or two sentences, so I wonder if the text needs to be re-organized a bit. The intro has only a single sentence, so that could use an expansion. --PFHLai (talk) 23:53, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Henry Blackaby

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News source(s): Religion News Service
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A bit stubby. However, I expect publications like Christianity Today and others to provide enough materials to de-stubify. Will probably need a bit of citation work as well, but right now, I'm working on Joel Belz. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 00:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I clicked on the first reference. I got a nice red "Deceptive site ahead" page. Support, I guess. 51.154.145.205 (talk) 13:35, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Herbert Wigwe

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News source(s): Bloomberg
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The death of the Group Chairman of Access Holdings, his wife and son through a helicopter crash — Preceding unsigned comment added by Heatrave (talk • contribs) 20:35, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(READY) 2024 Pakistani elections

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Article: 2024 Pakistani general election (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Despite the disqualification of the PTI and the jailing of its leader, Imran Khan, independent candidates supporting his party win the most seats in the 2024 Pakistani general election. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Independent candidates backed by the disqualified PTI and its jailed leader, Imran Khan, win the most seats in the 2024 Pakistani general election.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In Pakistan, the general election results in a hung parliament.
Alternative blurb III: ​ In Pakistan, the general election results in a hung parliament with the Tehreek-e-Insaf-backed independent candidates leading.
Alternative blurb IV: ​ After the 2024 Pakistani general election, six parties agree to form a coalition government with Shehbaz Sharif as prime minister.
Alternative blurb V: ​ Despite the majority of seats being won by PTI-backed independent candidates, PML-N decided to establish a coalition government.
News source(s): BBC, CNN, Reuters, Al Jazeera
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Most results are in and Imran Khan is claiming victory in the election but so is Nawaz Sharif. Formation of a government is likely to be complex and take time but we ought to move on from the previous Khan blurb now. Andrew🐉(talk) 17:01, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support altblurb Let's not overlook the fact that numerous foreign media outlets, including France 24, TIME, The Intercept, Economist have characterized the election was rigged by the military as they have done in the past, but despite that the election results have turned out completely differently. NYT went on to say the election results have humiliated the military rulers and has started a new political crises in the country. --Saqib (talk) 17:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Needs a more neutral header. In the body of the article it can explain why that party winning the most seats is unusual or unprecedented, but its not ITNs place to make that call. --Masem (t) 18:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added altblurb as I think the "despite" in the original blurb is unnecessary. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 18:43, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support altblurb per above. The Kip 19:07, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - the article is incomprehensible to me. I've been looking at it for 5 minutes, and I simply don't know what's going on. I say that as someone with no previous understanding of how elections are done in Pakistan, and who hasn't read any news articles on the election results, other than the headlines. For example, in the header box, it notes that all 336 seats are up for election. But in the 2024 Pakistani general election#Provisional results by party section it lists total of only 258 seats (declared?) with 7 left to declare. In the info-box it shows Khan as the leader of a party called "PTI-Ind". However that isn't a party, and Khan isn't even running for a seat and thus is ineligible to be PM. The references are whacky - what are [1] and [2] doing as references - surely they are notes. The "Seats needed" in the box is just confusing - everyone needs 169 seats. And getting this number by subtracting the 2018 results doesn't work, as seats have changed since the previous election. Instead show "Seats won", "Seat change". There needs to be a full table of results, similar to the 2018 election. At this point, I'm not sure the result is even clear. Nfitz (talk) 19:38, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz: There're a total of 264 general seats, with the remaining reserved seats [Elections are not conducted for these reserved seats.] Presently, results have been announced for 256 out of the total 264 seats. As for Khan's leadership status, he has been designated as the leader due to his association with the PTI-backed independent candidates. More detailed information on this matter can be found in the section titled 2024_Pakistani_general_election#PTI_de_facto_ban_through_intra-party_election_verdict within the article. And how about we omit the numbers for now, since the legitimacy of many of these results is being contested by the PTI. --Saqib (talk) 21:04, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The seating is explained in the section 2024 Pakistani general election#Electoral system

The 336 members of the National Assembly consist of 266 general seats elected by first-past-the-post voting in single-member constituencies, 60 seats reserved for women elected by proportional representation based on the number of general seats won by each party in each province, and ten seats reserved for non-Muslims elected through proportional representation based on the number of overall general seats won by each party.

Andrew🐉(talk) 21:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - I do think that one should be able to grasp this a lot quicker, and that the text be improved. Also, at this point the general percentages are done, so how are those seats being distributed ... and do independents even play into that. Ultimately, this is probably ITN. But the article needs work. Nfitz (talk) 00:59, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's quite a big and complicated topic and the article has been under development for six years. And so there's a lot to digest. Here's what we did last time. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:12, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there may be a typo, User:Andrew Davidson in that link. Nfitz (talk) 18:23, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Nfitz: Link fixed. The previous election was marred by violence, whereas this one was tainted by daylight mass rigging. --Saqib (talk) 18:33, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Ultimately, this should probably be posted, once there's more clarity. Which seems to have taken over 4 days last time. Nfitz (talk) 19:10, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Andrew Davidson: Whats preventing this from being posted? --Saqib (talk) 15:04, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The !votes here seem too complex and inconsistent to make posting easy. And the event is still somewhat unsettled. The good news is that the article has had lots of readers regardless -- over 2 million views so far -- and so your efforts have not been in vain. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:19, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait until an actual outcome is known/a government is formed. Right now, the situation is unclear and posting that the PTI de facto candidates won the most seats doesn't mean much unless they actually then form a government, which is sounds like currently they won't. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:38, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is the election result. We will post the government formation too when that happens down the road. See recent examples in Italy/Spain, for example. Curbon7 (talk) 04:30, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Joseph2302: Having garnered significant press coverage worldwide, the election results deserves to be posted. I believe we did the same previously. Saqib (talk) 07:05, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So far, only one PTI backed independent candidate joined other party, contrary to your assertion that many did. And by the way, this should not be a logical reason to put this ITN on hold. The key point is that independent candidates backed by PTI won the majority of seats.--Saqib (talk) 19:15, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Saqib. Article seems clear enough to me Aaron Liu (talk) 21:31, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I would say the PTI victory is notable independent of coalition formation. I say we cross that bridge when we get there. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:47, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In Pakistan, elections aren't considered complete until all reserved seats are assigned. Once these seats are allocated, the dynamics will shift significantly, potentially placing independents in third position. Independents cannot vie for reserved seats, so it's prudent to wait until these seats are allocated before determining the election outcome. Publishing the story prematurely, as suggested, could mislead readers. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 18:18, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No elections are held for reserved seats hence their allocation is pointless to this ITN posting. No Drug No War (talk) 20:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Reserved seats are integral to the electoral process in Pakistan. You should refer to the 2018 Pakistani general election page, where the party positions are determined based on the total of 342 seats, encompassing both general and reserved seats. Sheriff | ☎ 911 | 20:24, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ITNR is for the general elections and not for the whole electoral process in Pakistan. Nor is the 2018 election page considered a bible. No Drug No War (talk) 01:44, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Election results are never put on hold until the Independent candidates join any party. Nor are the final notifications (which are withheld on court orders in some cases) a necessity for ITN posting. No Drug No War (talk) 20:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

AFC Asian Cup

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Article: 2023 AFC Asian Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In association football, Qatar win the 2023 AFC Asian Cup after beating Jordan in the final (MVP Akram Afif pictured). (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In association football, Qatar win the 2023 AFC Asian Cup after Akram Afif scores a hat-trick of penalties against Jordan in the final.
Alternative blurb II: ​ In association football, Qatar win the 2023 AFC Asian Cup after an Akram Afif hat-trick against Jordan in the final.
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I think if AFCON is included, then Asian Cup should be as well Pksois23 (talk) 01:26, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whether sports events are ITNR isn't decided arbitrarily; it's based on whether there's consensus at ITNSPORTS.
Oppose: Entire team section only has one or two sources. Map thing has a display error, I'll see if I can fix that Aaron Liu (talk) 01:52, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The Asian Cup is listed on ITNSPORTS Pksois23 (talk) 05:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that's what I'm saying. It's not really an "I think". Aaron Liu (talk) 12:40, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 9

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(Posted) RD: Jim Hannan

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Article: Jim Hannan (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): https://www.wgauradio.com/news/trending/jim-hannan-first-president-mlb-players-alumni-association-dead-85/YM6RIKKZ5VF6PIOJTG6THQRFK4/
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Major League Baseball pitcher from 1962 to 1971. Co-founder and 1st president of the Major League Baseball Players Alumni Association. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 07:25, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose for now More references are needed. Support It might be nice to have a bit more depth, but there are enough references & a sufficient amount of details. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 02:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Damo Suzuki

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News source(s): The Guardian, Pitchfork
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Japanese rock singer known as a member of Can. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:5C1A:689:3A4D:64F1 (talk) 00:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Slight? Explain.BabbaQ (talk) 10:31, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The lead was inadquent, and there was dodgy refs and major gaps in explaining his career. Is that clear enough BabbaQ? As an update, article is improving, nearing a Q/C pass for main page. Ceoil (talk) 13:02, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article quality seems pretty good. Setarip (talk) 14:01, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, well sourced. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support now. Ceoil (talk) 21:33, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ed Tarver

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@Admins willing to post ITN: rolls off tomorrow and is of good quality. The Kip 04:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Reposted) RD: Robert Badinter

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Article: Robert Badinter (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): French Government Le Figaro France 24 Libération
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French lawyer, statesman and government minister known for his ultimately successful campaign for the abolition of the death penalty in France. The article still needs work. —Brigade Piron (talk) 22:16, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not ready Still four citation needed tags and one failed verification, shouldn't be too hard to fix. While I wouldn't call the death blurb-worthy, he was certainly a defining figure of French politics, and a man of his stature deserves an article in good shape. Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 00:59, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Procedural oppose per above This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 05:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Article looks fine now. @Chaotic Enby, Orbitalbuzzsaw: I've fixed the issues brought up. ARandomName123 (talk)Ping me! 02:13, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, support! Chaotıċ Enby (talk · contribs) 09:17, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bagumba: I think I fixed the article’s issues. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 01:10, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've marked "attention needed" for others to vet (or post). The unsourced content has been replaced with newer content.—Bagumba (talk) 13:16, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In that case, I’ll do this: @Admins willing to post ITN: Could someone please take a look at Badinter‘s article to see if it’s good enough to post? Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:22, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 8

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(Posted) RD: Toddy Kehoe

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Article: Toddy Kehoe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): https://ottawa.ctvnews.ca/trailblazing-local-politician-toddy-kehoe-dies-at-105-1.6761866
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2024 Haldwani violence

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Article: 2024 Haldwani violence (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Uttarakhand, India, at least five people are killed and dozens more injured in religious clashes. (Post)
News source(s): BBC NYT AJ
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Article looks good enough to get posted. | 2401:BA80:A30C:7BB8:5C5C:46F1:1EB:FF3F (talk) 05:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose good faith nomination on quality As I am not super involved in Indian events, I can't comment much on notability, but there are a bunch of yellow tags relating to tone which need to be dealt with first before we post the article. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 05:34, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Oppose on Quality there are 3 tags when you open the page Setarip (talk) 12:47, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) New prime minister of Georgia

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Article: Irakli Kobakhidze (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Irakli Kobakhidze (pictured) is elected Prime Minister of Georgia by the Parliament (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
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His article needs a bit of work. I'm on it. Work done. _-_Alsor (talk) 12:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support: However, as the nominator said, the article should be improved. Article has been improved. Prodrummer619 (talk) 19:39, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support change of head of government This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support a new administration change is always notable enough to post
Setarip (talk) 09:05, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 7

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(Posted) RD: Alfred Grosser

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News source(s): taz and others
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Legendary intellectual, Jewish family had to flee the Nazis from Frankfurt to Paris in 1933, but he was instrumental in improving the German-French relations after the war, in the treaty as well as books and teaching. He also believed that a Jew doesn't have to automatically support Israeli politics. The article had a few life details and a lot of controversy, and few references, and many of those lost. So updating took a while. More details welcome, - for me there's RL and Seiji Ozawa. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Qristina Ribohn

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News source(s): [23]
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Swedish reality television contestant, drug counselor, and politician. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 12:17, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Balochistan bombings

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Article: 2024 Balochistan bombings (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 30 people are killed and more than 40 injured in two ISIS bombings targeting political campaign offices in Balochistan, Pakistan on the eve of the general elections. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, VOA, BBC, AP, Al Jazeera, Guardian,
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Ainty Painty (talk) 03:29, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support as per above Ion.want.uu (talk) 03:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A bit short, but this meets the requirements; for now, I think this should be treated as an isolated incident until a concrete link to the elections is established. Also moved this to February 7 as the bombings happened on that day. Vida0007 (talk) 09:51, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The sources in the article seem unanimous in having the election as the context for this incident:
  1. "At least 30 dead in Balochistan explosions, day before Pakistan election". CNN
  2. "Bomb Blasts Kill 30 in Pakistan Ahead of Thursday's Elections". Voice of America
  3. "Pakistan election: Two deadly blasts in Balochistan day before vote". BBC News
  4. "At least 30 killed in two bombings at election offices in Pakistan". The Guardian
  5. "Bombings at Pakistani political offices kill at least 30 a day before parliamentary elections". Associated Press
  6. "Pakistan polls 2024: Blasts target candidates' offices, at least 30 killed on eve of election". The Times of India
and so on. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:54, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment shouldn't the article title be 2024 Pishin bombings? Abcmaxx (talk) 10:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There were also offices targeted in Killa Saifullah, which is quite far from Pishin apparently
    @Ainty Painty Could you change the blurb's "Pishin" to "Balochistan province"? Aaron Liu (talk) 12:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Done Ainty Painty (talk) 13:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support well-sourced and significant. Setarip (talk) 11:31, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Really wish more than half the article is actually about the event rather than the kudzo of non-action reactions from world leaders. --Masem (t) 13:14, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, the treatment is as a cookie-cutter disaster newsevent rather than it being properly integrated with an encyclopedic treatment of the Pakistan election, the Balochistan independence movement, ISIS-K fundamentalism and whatever else that this is part of. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:33, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I haven't looked at this story at all, but even I remember reading of non-lethal violence and increased policing throughout Pakistan as a result of the election. Yes, the bombing does deserve a standalone article outside the election one, but here definitely could have more background as to understand why this bombing could have happened. Masem (t) 13:44, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    See 2024_Pakistani_general_election#Security_concerns_and_violence which lists numerous lethal incidents including

    In Balochistan, grenades were thrown at two polling stations by unidentified individuals. At the same time, a soldier was killed in an attack by gunmen in Kot Azam, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. Five security personnel were killed in an attack in Kulachi, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, while a polling station in the same province was shelled by mortars. Two security officers were killed and nine wounded by a blast near a polling station in Lajja, Balochistan, while two people were injured following 14 "minor blasts" in Gwadar.

    So, with such a wave of violence associated with the election, we should provide a more comprehensive account rather than cherry-picking two particular incidents 100 miles apart. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:43, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Improve Article, then Support The event is notable enough, but the article only consists of two paragraphs actually about the event (excluding the reactions), so this should be expanded. Support As another paragraph has been added to the article. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:27, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article seems well sourced and this is an event that's on the news. Lukt64 (talk) 14:54, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Mojo Nixon

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Article: Mojo Nixon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [24], [25], [26]
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American rockabilly singer best known for his novelty hit "Elvis Is Everywhere" and for hosting various radio shows on Sirius XM satellite radio. thrashbandicoot01 (talk) 8:16, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Henry Fambrough

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News source(s): Associated Press
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Last surviving original member of the American R&B group The Spinners. Funcrunch (talk) 07:06, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: José Delbo

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Article: José Delbo (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): The Daily Cartoonist, CBR,
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Argentine cartoonist. The article is well referenced, including his passing. Having inserted him at the recent deaths of pt.wiki, I'm a bit shocked to see that the RD here still have two people that died in January. It's 7 February... Solon 26.125 13:52, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Cecilia Gentili

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Article: Cecilia Gentili (talk · history · tag)
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News source(s): https://www.them.us/story/cecilia-gentili-transgender-advocate-author-obituary
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Argentine LGBT & trans rights activist. New article, but seems fairly well sourced. ForsythiaJo (talk) 05:02, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 6

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(Posted) RD: Seiji Ozawa

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Article: Seiji Ozawa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press Washington Post
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Did a brief check of article, looks mostly alright but it might need a bit more citation work. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 19:00, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Blurb: Sebastián Piñera

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Article: Sebastián Piñera (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Former president of Chile Sebastián Piñera (pictured) is killed in a helicopter crash at the age of 74 (Post)
News source(s): Emol BBC Mundo
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Former Chilean president. I second Alsoriano97's comment, a blurb may be good. --Bedivere (talk) 19:18, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support although an article is needed for the crash. Jebiguess (talk) 19:52, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I can know only a Spanish news agency (Agencia EFE) is confirming Piñera's death. I would wait for other RS to do so. In any case, since it is a possible death in a helicopter crash and taking into account that Piñera governed in two terms, the last one ending less than two years ago, we could value a blurb. Also the article needs revision in some aspects. _-_Alsor (talk) 19:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
BBC Mundo confirms (quoting govt statement). The rest'll follow shortly, no doubt. Moscow Mule (talk) 20:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The government has confirmed Piñera's death Bedivere (talk) 20:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb I'm not too familiar with Chilean politics, but the death of a recent former head of state, especially in a helicopter crash, seems noteworthy to me. Of course, time is needed to get the article up to snuff, but I don't see any issues with notability. DNVIC (talk) 20:14, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose blurb not a current head of state or head of government, even if he was president as recently as 2022. I don't think that the accidental manner of death warrants a blurb. I'm trying to think of whether or not I would support a blurb for Obama's or Trump's death if it was accidental like this, but to be honest I don't think I would for Obama, maybe for Trump since he's also running for President again; or if Stephen Harper died like this, but I don't think I would support a blurb for that either. JM (talk) 22:14, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The probability that Trump, Obama, Bill Clinton and even Jimmy Carter will be blurbed when they die, accidental or otherwise, is approximately 100%.  — Amakuru (talk) 22:33, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I know. I'm just thinking about how I would vote. I've said on other RD blurb noms that I wouldn't vote to blurb Carter's death JM (talk) 22:34, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps a former head of state and government dying in a plane/helicopter/car crash is more common than we think. _-_Alsor (talk) 22:36, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You...do realize we blurb previous heads of state, right? Piñera should be no exception. qw3rty 22:34, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do we? Where's the guideline or consensus? Would we blurb the death of Taur Matan Ruak, former president of East Timor? JM (talk) 22:35, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. qw3rty 22:44, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Somehow I doubt that. I'm sick and studying so I don't have the energy or time to go through the archives but I think it's highly likely there are more than a few former heads of state who were not blurbed, out of the hundreds of countries which each have new heads of state every few years, of which probably hundreds have died since ITN started. JM (talk) 22:47, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We shouldn't. In fact we should not blurb Piñera's death if it had been in "normal or natural" circumstances. We cannot, and should not, turn ITN into a de facto obituary of former heads of state/governments. Get well soon, JM. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:35, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just saying "yes" without pointing to a guideline or consensus isn't an acceptable answer, as indeed, there is no guideline or consensus that supports your statement. Kicking222 (talk) 14:56, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We did blurb José Eduardo dos Santos when he died, I believe. The Kip 22:52, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb per all above. Notable former head of state. qw3rty 22:34, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Blurb, Oppose on Quality Article is not ready to go due to an NPOV tag. As for notability, I believe that, due to him having been the first democratically elected conservative president in Chile since 1958, and due to his major involvement in the 2019-2022 Chilean protests (both points being stated in the lead of the article), combined with his unusual nature of death, a blurb is warranted. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 22:37, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I will also note that the President of Chile article itself may not be ready to go, having a number of completely unsourced sections. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 22:41, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - recent and relatively notable head of state. The relatively unusual circumstances surrounding his death also make this worth blurbing. estar8806 (talk) ★ 01:23, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb - unusual manner of death makes it notable This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 02:59, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: John Bruton

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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Irish Times Sky News
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Former Irish Taoiseach (prime minister). Sheila1988 (talk) 12:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • State funeral The BBC has been reporting his state funeral in regular bulletins today and so I'm surprised that there's not been more pressure for a blurb. As the article will be getting more attention as a consequence, I've done some clean-up. Andrew🐉(talk) 16:05, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yemen's new PM

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Article: Ahmad Awad bin Mubarak (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Ahmad Awad bin Mubarak (pictured) is appointed as Yemen's new Prime Minister, replacing Maeen Abdulmalik Saeed who was Yemen’s premier since 2018 (Post)
News source(s): [27] [28] [29]
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Support on notability, oppose on quality per the two above comments Lukt64 (talk) 14:00, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 5

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(Posted) RD: Helga Paris

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News source(s): FAZ
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Influential photographer of everyday life in East German, now a historic documentation in c. 230,000 negatives. The article was there, even most refs, but needed expansion and inline citation. I am sorry to be late again, but was preoccupied with three men, - hope this women will also "make" it. There's more in German but I need a break. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:45, 12 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Dries van Agt

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Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NL Times, AP: Former Dutch Prime Minister Dries van Agt and his wife die ‘hand in hand’ by euthanasia at age 93, Guardian: Duo euthanasia: former Dutch prime minister dies hand in hand with his wife
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RD: Jean Malaurie

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Template:ITN candidate Thriley (talk) 21:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait several paras are not cited. Harvici (talk) 09:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Michael Jayston

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Template:ITN candidate British actor of very long experience and note. Challenger l (talk) 19:05, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Toby Keith

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Template:ITN candidate Ks0stm (T•C•G•E) 09:17, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose some sections aren't cited. Harvici (talk) 10:03, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The phrase "Three million spins" is not explained, and the reference provided is a dead link. And that's just from the first paragraph. Chrisclear (talk) 11:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
support! Very well known artist. More notable than most people in recent deaths lately 2600:6C5E:147F:858F:EC90:269B:E0C6:4127 (talk) 13:29, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The RD line only cares that the person was notable, not how notable they were compared to others that were also notable. Its not a popularity/fame vote. Masem (t) 13:33, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Strikethrough — It is very clear Toby Keith was notable. Article isn’t in the best of shape at the moment, hence the wait. Actual “oppose” !votes make no sense, as an oppose is different than a wait and seems to indicate a true “no” to posting. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 14:25, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
!vote changed to full support. Article is in decent shape now. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 16:38, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose: At least four entire paragraphs uncited Aaron Liu (talk) 17:15, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
One of these paragraphs is a possible copyvio. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I’ve just discovered that even the first paragraph is a likely copyvio. Definitely in no state of posting. Aaron Liu (talk) 19:35, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The irony of saying "oppose !votes make no sense" while starting with "Support on Notability" when RD is not concerned with notability is palpable. Kicking222 (talk) 15:08, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Waits are essentially opposes. Aaron Liu (talk) 15:41, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Charles III diagnosed with cancer

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Template:Archivetop Template:ITN candidate It is not often a ruling leader is diagnosed with such a condition. This is my first ever nomination to ITN, so please go easy on me. Urbanracer34 (talk) 19:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose Many world leaders have had illnesses and treatments. It simply doesnt rise to the level of ITN inclusion.
Noah, AATalk 19:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, If he dies from it and the head of state changes then that's significant; the illness itself isn't significant. Certainly news, especially in Commonwealth realms, but not news enough for ITN. JM (talk) 20:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral wait until further details Lukt64 (talk) 20:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Ian Lavender

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Template:ITN candidate English actor and last surviving cast member of Dad's Army. (Don't tell him, Pike!) The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 12:45, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 4

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RD: John Elford

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Template:ITN candidate Australian rugby league footballer who played in the 1960s and 1970s. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 12:07, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support- due to its significance Jlvshistory (talk) 14:02, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is the fourth time you have been told that RD has nothing at all to do with signficiance. Votes on significance cannot be counted and do not help review the nomination at all. JM (talk) 15:45, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strangely, @PFHLai also said that in Special:Diff/1205831588 before mysteriously deleting it Aaron Liu (talk) 16:24, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
His database of played games and claim on surfing are sourced to what's basically a blog. Not sure if that's a showstopper. Aaron Liu (talk) 23:03, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Curiously, despite being pelted at RSN, rugbyleagueproject.org is still an official resources in Wikiproject Rugby League. That doesn't mean anything, right? Aaron Liu (talk) 23:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping Both of the claims also have a 2nd reference. I’m not familiar enough with rugby league to evaluate the quality of the references, but it looks like 1 of the other references is from the league he played in. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 19:55, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The rugby league itself is probably reliable, but the about page of Yesterday's Hero indicates that it is also a blog. I don't know much about rugby either. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, are you sure beach sprint means surf lifesaving sprint? Aaron Liu (talk) 23:24, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Papineau (horse)

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Template:ITN candidate British-bred Thoroughbred racehorse, winner of the Henry II Stakes and the Ascot Gold Cup in 2004. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 00:16, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Brooke Ellison

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Template:ITN candidate Thriley (talk) 23:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wait-Let's should see first their comments, about this but the article is great however Jlvshistory (talk) 23:29, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support just came to nominate this myself now that more sourcing has come out. The SBU one is an SPS but fine for basic biographical details.
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(Posted) RD: Joel Belz

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Template:ITN candidate Founder of WORLD Magazine. Article's a bit short, but doesn't seem to have too many problems, although there's one detail I couldn't find a citation for yet. Will do more in-depth review later. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 02:18, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support-the Article's significance Jlvshistory (talk) 04:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As said before, significance does not matter for RD. In this case I’ll weak oppose as there’s a dead link primary source and nearly nothing about his career, making this a stub. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:47, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that the user has been informed twice before that significance is irrelevant to RD and acknowledged that in both instances - this is the third time... not trying to WP:BITE a newcomer or anything, especially as RD reviews are lacking compared to blurb reviews, but Jlvshistory, you must understand what Aaron Liu and others have told you, and evaluate solely on article quality in order to be productive in your RD reviews. JM (talk) 12:54, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Aaron Liu I've updated the dead-link source to a live source. Reliable sources are citing the source I used so I dropped it on the wikipedia page. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 15:24, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
thats good then, I guess adding more sources can also help Jlvshistory (talk) 14:44, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Bob Beckwith

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Template:ITN candidate New York firefighter who received national attention following the September 11 attacks.--CaptainTeebs (talk) 06:37, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support- Because of the Article significance Jlvshistory (talk) 06:56, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait - No major issues with the article, but additional sourcing prior to posting would be nice. Notability isn't a factor in RD noms. - Bucket of sulfuric acid (he/him | talk) 08:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    alright Jlvshistory (talk) 08:46, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Made the necessary changes. Checked the article against the 6 remaining references. Looks good. I don’t believe you will find additional references. Beckwith became famous because he stood beside George Bush when Bush gave his bullhorn speech 3 days after 9/11. What Beckwith did with his life after that is laudable.Wait I agree: additional sourcing would be good. I’ve checked 4 of the 7 references. Only The NY Post is unreliable, imo. The cause of death as "ground-zero related melanoma" is a “fake news” diagnosis by the NY Post: typical for this rag. Internet & WP searches never mention it as even a syndrome. That won’t work for Wikipedia. There is a page Ground Zero illness which redirects to “Health effects arising from the September 11 attacks.” Of course, the Amer. Assoc. for Cancer Research reports a slightly higher incidence of cancer for 9/11 responders. The section on first responders seems pretty damning and conclusive. Anyhow, the New York Times reports Beckwith’s death as “He died in hospice care after being treated for cancer.” I’ll edit the page in a few hours when I check back in. - Trauma Novitiate (talk) 17:57, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - per improvements as mentioned above as well. Good to go.BabbaQ (talk) 22:36, 10 February 2024 (UTC)'Italic text'[reply]
  • Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 00:09, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Salvadoran general election

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Template:ITN candidate With 70% of the votes counted, some reliable news sources have called the election for Nayib Bukele and several foreign leaders have congratulated him, however, the Supreme Electoral Court (TSE) has yet to make an official announcement. Please notify me if I need an official declaration from the TSE for this nomination, and if I do, I will update this nomination when it's publicized. This election has received significant foreign news coverage and is the first time since 1944 that a Salvadoran president has been re-elected. PizzaKing13 ¡Hablame! 18:50, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Not a single CN tag, a quick scan indicates everything seems cited, very extensive article, a large aftermath section... there's not much more to ask for, except that none of the results tables for municipalities and departments are filled in yet. I don't know if that's a barring issue or not, so I'll wait to !vote and hopefully someone tells me whether or not it's fine. JM (talk) 19:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It appears that not all results have arrived yet, so it's less an issue about updating and more about waiting for them to drop. I think that we could run this as a first blurb, and that something more important to wait for is seat composition in parliament (which also hasn't been updated yet), as it would be interesting to note that the ruling party also has a majority in parliament. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 20:04, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, very well-written and cited, and should be ITN/R if I'm not mistaken. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 19:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Tick Done JM (talk) 20:01, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, splendid article. Altblurb offered: no need for the year, "incumbent" could be challenged (murky leave of absence business), and the stonking majority is noteworthy. Moscow Mule (talk) 20:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt2 per Moscow. Aaron Liu (talk) 21:40, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Earl Cureton

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Template:ITN candidate Basketball player who won two NBA championships.—Bagumba (talk) 11:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support articles looks fairly cited. Harvici (talk) 14:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. With his two championships and how he affected NBA basketball, both as a player and afterward, I feel that this article is worth mentioning in the "recent death" part of Wikipedia's news. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 20:21, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone with a Wikipedia article who dies gets featured on recent deaths as long as the quality is high enough. Significance is irrelevant to being featured on recent deaths. JM (talk) 20:27, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Ping Good to know. I don't deal with the front page part of Wikipedia that much, but Cureton's article is highly informative and worth the front page's time, IMO. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 20:57, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Mungo Kitsch: JM was attempting to convey that RD !votes should comment on how WP:ITNQUALITY is met or not. Regards. —Bagumba (talk) 00:49, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support, obviously, as the subject's significance Jlvshistory (talk) 02:44, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that as said above, significance is not a factor in RDs, only quality JM (talk) 11:43, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
understood Jlvshistory (talk) 15:22, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:@ITNA Regardless of people being misled by significance, the article seems like it has no issues and no one has opposed yet. Aaron Liu (talk) 12:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Date of birth is unreferenced. Schwede66 15:08, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Date of birth is confirmed in all his profiles - NBA.com and basketball-reference.com - linked right in the infobox. Common info like height, weight, birth details, etc. are commonly well known for most professional athletes, at least NBA players. Rikster2 (talk) 15:20, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Schwede66: It's now sourced, but is a birthdate (or one potential Cn) a showstopper for an RD? —Bagumba (talk) 16:33, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted I’m sensitive to unreferenced birthdays. It either gets referenced or it comes out; I will not post it to the main page until that’s resolved. Schwede66 16:54, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Grammys

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Template:ITN candidate Given the issues on the recent Emmy blurb, this article is likely in worst shape, needing more citations and/or reconsideration of what content should be on there (like # of noms/wins by artist, etc.) Masem (t) 04:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose as mentioned by nom. Virtually no prose throughout the article. The Kip 04:43, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Given what the Grammys are, which is a lot of awards, in addition to who presented and performed, this is going to be table heavy. There could be more prose around the ceremony as sites digest the information, but it is not absent prose and what I would expect pre-ceremony is there (nomination process, voting process, and general setup of the ceremony). But a lot of that is unreferenced, and again, while the award/nomination tables can be satisfied by a link to the Grammy's own page, the "# of noms/wins" we have determined cannot be left like that without clear sourcing to support it. It is a ways away. --Masem (t) 05:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Due to unsourced tables, particularly Template:Section link, which goes beyond simple WP:CALC. Collating information to find out that someone had 5+ nominations can be error prone. Better to be cited to a reliable source with the exact counts, which also rules out any doubt of an exhaustive table being some WP:OR fancruft (the few leaders can just be handled in prose, and undoubtedly already in reliable sources).—Bagumba (talk) 06:30, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose – Article indeed needs more prose and citations overall. The "Performers" section gives more details about the ceremony than any other, and it's all written from the perspective of when performers were announced, which is largely no longer of encyclopedic history and just recounting news stories. I don't think the article needs much work to fulfill prose requirements, though. Don't know how necessary citations are for the tables, though I highly doubt we'll find a source counting up all the acts that received exactly two nominations, so there's some original research cruft here that can almost certainly be cut. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:13, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Multiple poorly sourced sections, and, as per above, the multiple nominations section might be OR. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:42, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A mass of tables with almost no prose. Modest Genius talk 14:39, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lowitja O'Donoghue

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Template:ITN candidate Australian Aboriginal public administrator and Indigenous rights advocate. A highly regarded Australian. Her article is thorough, though it does have some cn tags. Several editors have been very busy updating the article since her death yesterday at the age of 91, so I'm hoping the tags will disappear. HiLo48 (talk) 01:31, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose there are still 3 CN tags. JM (talk) 10:26, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2024 Chile wildfires (Viña del Mar fire)

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Template:ITN candidate Significant event in Chile. Nearly a hundred people are dead as a result of wildfires in Viña del Mar, Quilpué and neighboring area. Bedivere (talk) 23:13, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support on significance, although a lot of the sources (tweets) could be improved and replaced by better sources if possible. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 23:33, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability but needs to be improved per above JM (talk) 00:49, 5 February 2024 (UTC) quality is fine now JM (talk) 20:09, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability but oppose on quality per @2G0o2De0l Bremps... 01:26, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability, but the article quality should be improved before posting, as per above --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support on notability but articles needs improvement. Harvici (talk) 10:06, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Barry John

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Template:ITN candidate Welsh and British Lions rugby international The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 18:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Oleg Kononenko sets record for most time in space

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Template:Atop Template:Clear Template:ITN candidate Count Iblis (talk) 17:28, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) 2024 Senegalese presidential election postponed

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Comment We should mention the resulting protests in the blurb. Bremps... 04:01, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Already referred to as a consitutional crisis Bremps... 02:30, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – I am impressed by the well-written description of events and reactions present in the article. Borgenland did beautiful work expanding the article so quickly, and it seems like a very appropriate feature. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:23, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I always try to ask myself what I would vote if an ITN item happened in the US instead. The update looks to be sufficient for posting. Bremps... 21:59, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support alt blurb Postponing an election seems like a significant event, esp. when it’s accompanied by protests. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 11:54, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted ALT3) Namibia's president Hage Geingob dies

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  • Strong Support This needs to be posted. It’s the death of a sitting president
2A02:CE0:1800:32B2:7416:8B10:B877:7E31 (talk) 13:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) The Tortured Poets Department

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Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate

Oppose good faith nomination Welcome to ITN. At the very least, we should post the actual album release instead of an announcement. However, the release of a creative work is seldom (if at all) featured on ITN due to concerns over being promotional. Cheers, Bremps... 03:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha, that makes complete sense—I appreciate the helpful note. Bsoyka (t • c • g) 03:37, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It also usually isn't big news that most people would otherwise search for on WP instead of, e.g., just streaming it. Aaron Liu (talk) 03:51, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Taylor Swift announcing an album isn't notable enough for ITN. Welcome here, hope this doesn't scare you from contributing — it's never a bad thing to try! ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 03:38, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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February 3

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Template:Cot Portal:Current events/2024 February 3 Template:Cob

(Posted) RD: Gregory Charles Rivers

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Template:ITN candidate Australian-born Hong Kong actor who appeared in over 300 shows. All prose is sourced, filmography was split into a separate article due to potential length. Yeeno (talk) 20:32, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support This has enough details & references. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 13:07, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Victor M. Power

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Template:ITN candidate The longest-serving mayor of Timmins, Ontario. 65.94.213.53 (talk) 00:26, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Wee Cho Yaw

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Template:ITN candidate Singaporean businessman. Led United Overseas Bank to one of big 3 banks in Singapore and Southeast Asia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 116.15.74.208 (talk • contribs)

RD: Vittorio Emanuele, Prince of Naples

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Template:ITN candidate

Support RD, Oppose blurb - RIP, Vittorio IV. But unfortunately, this doesn't warrant a blurb PrecariousWorlds (talk) 15:33, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Ping Sorry for the notification, but is there any update as to when this will be added to RD? Thanks. - Therealscorp1an (talk) 05:43, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The article still has four CN tags, so some sourcing still needs to be done. I think it should be fine to post once these are dealt with. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:39, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
User:MtPenguinMonster Would it be ready yet? - Therealscorp1an (talk) 22:04, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Aston "Family Man" Barrett

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Template:ITN candidate Decent shape. Natg 19 (talk) 23:40, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Decision needed) New First Minister of Northern Ireland

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Template:ITN candidate I have decided to nominate on account of "assume good faith". Described as "historic" by several sources, although as for whether it is considered notable enough for ITNR, I'm leaving that for the community to decide. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 22:43, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • This is not ITNR, I checked and this position does not fall into that which is tracked on List of current heads of state and government. There may be merit to indicate this being the first person from N. Ireland to actually serve as a Minister for the gov't of Ireland. (I had considered nominating this but felt this wouldn't meet the consensus here) --Masem (t) 23:01, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with a different blurb based on Altblurb 1. It's the restoration of power-sharing in the Province that's the main headline here, but I do think that if we blurb that, it's worth mentioning Ms O'Neill taking office. Contrary to what Masem has said, Michelle O'Neill is the first person to serve as First Minister of Northern Ireland who was not originally from NI - she was born in the Republic of Ireland. And she's also the first politician of Irish Republican affiliation to hold the post, which is what's being highlighted here. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:10, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ETA: I would support altblurb3 if 'nationalist' were changed to 'Republican'. It's a less confusing and arguably more specific term. GenevieveDEon (talk) 00:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
With the exception of the BBC source in the nomination, which is strange because other BBC articles say nationalist, all of the UK sources say nationalist. Additionally, there are three political designations in the NI Assembly; unionist, nationalist, and other. If we're going by the designations used by the NI government, Irish nationalist would be more correct than Irish republican. Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:47, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support with a different blurb. As a NI native, the two most notable things about this are that we finally have a devolved government again after 24 months of political deadlock, and that O'Neill is the first Irish nationalist to hold the lead position in the Northern Irish government since the creation of the province in 1921. I'd suggest that the blurb includes both pieces of information. Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:11, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Following re-writes I'd support alt blurb 2 over the others. Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Now that it's been added, I'd support the new alt blurb 3 over the others. Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:47, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose While interesting from a historical trivia perspective, politically its significance is doubtful. Sinn Fein got all of 29% of the vote in the last election. The reason they hold the position of FM as I understand it, is because the unionist vote was severely fragmented. They are trying to pretend that this represents a substantial movement towards NI joining the Irish Republic, which is nonsense. A solid majority of NI electorate remain firmly unionist. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:13, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That seems like an unhelpfully partisan interpretation of the story, which is being presented in the terms used above by sources such as the BBC. The blurb, and the story, say nothing about the alleged political adherence of the NI electorate. GenevieveDEon (talk) 23:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Tq Hard disagree. O'Neill is the first Irish nationalist politician to be the head of government for Northern Ireland, since its creation in 1921. In terms of the history of the province, this is incredibly significant. If I may be bold in my comparison, this has the same level of significance within Northern Ireland as Barack Obama becoming the first African-American President the US. Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:22, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree with your analogy if Barrack Obama had won election with 29% of the vote on a platform of uniting the United States with Canada. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:27, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You can't directly compare vote percentages between the Northern Ireland Assembly and the US Presidential Election in that manner, as they are two entirely different electoral systems, with two entirely different mechanisms for voting. And the significance isn't that O'Neill advocates for Irish unification, Sinn Fein have been doing that pretty much since the creation of the province. The historical significance is that O'Neill has become the first Irish nationalist politician, of any party, to hold the position as head of the Northern Irish government. Until today, every First Minister for Northern Ireland and every Prime Minister of Northern Ireland had been a unionist politician. Sideswipe9th (talk) 23:42, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Again, this sounds like historical trivia based on an electoral fluke. I am not seeing the long term significance here. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:54, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not an electoral fluke. Northern Ireland is not a two party state, it is a multi-party state that has 5 major political parties; Sinn Féin, SDLP, DUP, UUP, and Alliance, and three political designations; unionist, nationalist, and Other. Since the creation of the Northern Ireland Assembly in 1998, the highest vote share for any political party was 30.1% in the 2007 election. Sinn Féin's vote share of 29% is about average for all of the historical holders of the First Minister role.
The long term historical significance is that in the 103 years since the creation of Northern Ireland, there has never been a non-unionist head of government. Other than going into the deep, and contentious history of Northern Ireland and the intentional demographic choices made during the creation of the province to ensure there would always be a unionist majority government, I don't know how to state it in any other frames of reference than I already have. Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:19, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Basically every thing you have said here is misleading at best and incorrect at worst. Both the Republican and Unionist votes are "fragmented" as you put it, and always have been. There are numerous parties with distinction beyond their position on the union. As for "A solid majority of NI electorate remain firmly unionist" it is a plurality, not a majority, let alone a "solid" one, and polling neither asks and nor records a level of "firmness" in that plurality. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose it is the end of a long political drama/negotiation in a region that is not sovereign. _-_Alsor (talk) 23:34, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Ground breaking major news, with the political wing of the Irish Republican Army becoming the First Minister of this country. This is the first republican first minister. And comes with the restoration of democracy and government in Northern Ireland after 2 years of direct rule by London. Nfitz (talk) 23:38, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support like others, on the dual significance of the restoration of government and the first republican first minister. GreatCaesarsGhost 23:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I was going to nominate this based on the exceptional length of time that Northern Ireland has not had an Executive, and because it lets the Windsor Framework go ahead, which is part of Northern Ireland Brexit terms. The Framework is also part of the reason why Northern Irish political parties agreed to have an Executive again.
    In terms of the blurbs, alt1 is not accurate - power-sharing has been in place since 1999 and the creation of a Northern Ireland Executive. Every N.I. government has had power-sharing and it is not the reason the government has finally been restored. All of the others are fine for use, though alt3 seems bland and doesn't provide the context required for ITN. Kingsif (talk) 00:09, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Following further consideration, I have now adjusted the blurbs and removed alt3. Mr. Lechkar (talk) 00:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In future, it is better not to adjust blurbs that people have already !voted on. As alt1 has been changed, I do not outright oppose it, but it lacks some of the context. Kingsif (talk) 11:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's kind of fatal to your analogy, then. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:46, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's not. If anything it strengthens my argument; there's no such thing as federalism in the UK; its powers are devolved. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 05:29, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Template:EcSupport alt0, alt1, or alt3 (which I've added above) and oppose alt2. The term "Republic of Ireland" is a bit odd for Hiberno-English and "Ireland" in indistinguishably the common name of the political entity in which she was born. While the role nominally subnational, it's also an appointment with important international implications given that she's the first Irish nationalist in the role. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:35, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As RoI is common, especially when wanting to make sure people know what entity you're referring to (the Island of Ireland is also "just Ireland", there is nothing indistinguishable about RoI claiming this label at all) I have to add that I would oppose alt3, the current version, as with this lack of clarity it could be perceived to be advocating that NI and RoI are or should be unified, taking a partisan stance at the heart of this problem. I also think it is incredible someone would fully oppose an alt because it is, in their view, too accurate. Kingsif (talk) 11:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is a matter of local government and, in terms of population, is like being the Mayor of Greater Manchester or Governor of Idaho. Andrew🐉(talk) 00:45, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose A local jurisdiction in an area that is not sovereign had a politician elected with differing political views from the norm. Think if a Texas secessionist were elected governor. Big news? Probably. Notable for ITN? Probably not. Same thing applies here. Cheers, atque supra! Fakescientist8000 01:09, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I imagine that if a Texas governor was part of an international political movement to create a new country of Texas, and got elected governor on that basis, we would probably post that at ITN. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 01:25, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    We don't have to imagine. We had a similar nomination about Texas recently. That story is still getting plenty of international coverage. In China, it's widely understood as a civil war and there's plenty of other international coverage too. But it still wasn't posted at ITN. Andrew🐉(talk) 07:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's because the governments of both Texas and the USA are continuing to function normally, and the 'civil war' stuff is widely understood to be active misinformation. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:46, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It still seems to be a big story at the NYT: At Rally for Border Security in Texas, Fears of ‘Invasion’ and ‘Civil War’: "Concerns over potential violence followed the convoys as the federal government and Republican state leaders appeared to be on an increasingly imminent collision course..." Andrew🐉(talk) 09:38, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's what's frustrating about the !votes on this nom - a lot of the accompanying commentary shows a complete misunderstanding of the history and context. Some of that is probably deliberate, and some of it is due to ignorance. But it's not encouraging. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:46, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think you are correct in saying I have not "grasped what this is about", so I am just scratching my vote entirely. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:03, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose and while I agree that the appointment has regional and ethnic notability (which would also be notable in the Anglosphere and much of Europe), I wonder whether it has global notability. I think that a lot of readers would find it interesting because much of the native English speaking world has ties to Ireland and the UK, but I doubt that English speaking in non-native countries would care so much and Wikipedia has a problem with leaning too much towards native English speaking countries (and US events).
CollationoftheWilling (talk) 07:34, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Historically important for Northern Ireland doktorb wordsdeeds 09:50, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support There's no point in comparing this to Texas, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Quebec, the Cayman Islands or any other example because Northern Ireland has a very unique history with a very unique political situation and unique devolved powers. It is however a "nation state", even if not fully sovereign, and what happens at Stormont is hugely impactful for both the UK and the Republic of Ireland; both of which are very much sovereign nations. Abcmaxx (talk) 13:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose she hasn't declared separation from Britain and union with the Republic. Blurb that, not the mere event of a Sinn Fein member becoming FM. JM (talk) 13:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty close actually: The Guardian - British and Irish governments play down Sinn Féin’s calls for united Ireland. Abcmaxx (talk) 15:03, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course Sinn Fein wants a united Ireland, but this isnt notable unless it starts taking steps to unite Ireland. Right now she's just FM and hasn't done anything. JM (talk) 18:14, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support whilst Northern Ireland isn't a sovereign nation, the fact the 20-month long stalemate has been resolved and their parliament will be back is notable and well covered in traditional news media. Whilst generally the appointment of a new FM of Northern Ireland may not be ITN worthy, this one is because of the long process that has preceded it. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:14, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support – I like the feature of this subject and it is significant. I feel like the "First Minister (2024–present)" section on O'Neill's article should be expanded upon, or otherwise the 2024 Northern Ireland Executive formation-article should be boldlinked (eventhough it has the same problem). Regardless, the articles both present the history of the past two years well, with a few rich details. (oh, and I would go for a blurb that doesn't mention where she was born) ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - The knee-jerk "subnational" response doesn't sway me, nor does the misleading assertion that global notability is required for ITN stories, a criterion which is not applicable to WP:ITNSIGNIF. When this election is framed in the proper context - the stalemate, the DUP boycott, the history of Irish republicanism in Northern Ireland, the role of Brexit and the Windsor Framework - there's a larger story here than just a provincial election. Duly signed, ⛵ WaltClipper -(talk) 13:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • What election? The election was back in 2022. The big issue here is the resolution of the Brexit and Windsor Agreement matter and the return of devolved government. The nominated article says nothing about Brexit and the Windsor Agreement and all we're getting is a dubious claim of a first. Insofar as there's a larger story, this doesn't address it. The significant news here is that the UK government has published a legal protocol for post-Brexit trade which the DUP has accepted and so power-sharing is restored. O'Neill doesn't belong to the DUP -- she's in a different party and so her role is a side-effect rather than the main breakthrough. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:01, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Tq It's not a dubious claim. If you check the Prime Minister of Northern Ireland and First Minister and deputy First Minister of Northern Ireland articles, you'll see that there has never been a nationalist politician who has held the office of either Prime Minister or First Minister. All Prime Ministers of Northern Ireland were from the Ulster Unionist Party, and until Saturday all First Minister's of Northern Ireland had either been from the Ulster Unionist Party or the Democratic Unionist Party. Given the long and bloody history of the province, that the office is now held by a nationalist is a historic moment, and one that the creators of NI's borders wanted to prevent from happening. Sideswipe9th (talk) 15:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. While this is big news in the UK, Stormont is a regional assembly, akin to the Landtag of Lower Saxony, Parliament of Catalonia, or Legislative Assembly of Alberta. We wouldn't post the leaders of any of those. The long interregnum is unusual and relates to wider issues, but those weren't solved by this appointment. Also, the assembly grants equal powers to the 'first minister' and 'deputy first minister', who have always been one unionist and one republican. They're effectively the same office, which is why we have a joint article about them. The only 'first' here is purely semantic, regardless of how much the parties involved try to promote their own significance. Modest Genius talk 18:13, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Template:Ping Northern Ireland is absolutely nothing like Alberta, Catalonia or Saxony. Firstly completely different type of devolution. Secondly a significant percentage of Northern Ireland's population doesn't want to secede but join another country that perceives it culturally closer to it than the state it's currently part of, much to the disagreement of much of the rest of the population. Also had a civil war which although over even in its guerrilla form, there is still ever present fear of violence, and does still occasionally happen on political lines. Lastly it is a nation state: it's the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, of which Great Britain is made up for 3 unequally devolved countries. Abcmaxx (talk) 09:55, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am well aware of the politics of Northern Ireland and how the UK is structured; I'm British myself. I've even been inside Stormont, where I met several MLAs. If you don't like my analogies, perhaps the leaders of the Basque Parliament, Kurdistan Region Parliament or National Assembly of Quebec are a closer match? They consider themselves nations, have experienced wars, terrorist campaigns, and/or movements that want to unite with (parts of) another country. There are at least a dozen such regions around the world. I'm still opposed to posting. Modest Genius talk 11:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If an independentist was elected leader of one of these regions for the first time ever, it would definitely be worthy of being posted. It's not just any election result. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 17:19, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: I'm far from a Sinn Fein supporter, but the first nationalist first minister in Northern Ireland since partition in 1921 is significant news, regardless of the machinations of how it came about (read: demographics). In other news, I find Ad Orientem's rantings obnoxious and -at best- confused, its a wonder he wasn't blocked. Andrew Davidson I consider silly and never expected more from them. And Modest Genius, do you really consider current political trends within the devolved governments of Scotland and Norther Ireland as irrelevant as those of Landtag of Lower Saxony? Surely you jest. Ceoil (talk) 23:28, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Personal attacks are unhelpful. As for the one directed at me, there was no jest, just a desire for consistency. Modest Genius talk 11:30, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It is subnational and Northern Ireland is not sovereignSetarip (talk) 12:06, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning oppose Stormont is by design meant to be in permanent political stalemate; the logic is that if they're debating in parliament then they're not fighting in the streets. While being the first nationalist FM is certainly an important step, this was merely a political necessity due to the circumstances of how the executive is set up rather than a sharp turn towards 32. Curbon7 (talk) 06:35, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Spillover of the Israel–Hamas war

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  • Neutral but FWIW I'm not a fan of the article title. I posted on the article talk page. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:05, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hadn't noticed first time, but "spillover from" is surely better English. Nigej (talk) 21:14, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I’d note that “Spillover of…” is the title format used for multiple articles. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 22:57, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, definitely OR to label all Middle-Eastern events as spillover of one specific conflict. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 22:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I don't think it's OR to label as such, considering insurgent groups and Iranian proxies have labeled the war in Gaza as motivation for attacking both Red Sea shipping and American bases. Between the airstrikes and Houthi attacks, "spillover" is fast becoming a solid umbrella term barring some sort of generalized "2023–24 Middle East crisis." The Kip 01:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Would it be wise to move the article to 2023-24 Middle East Crisis or a similar title, given that the multiple ongoing conflicts are inter-related and have causes other than the Israel-Hamas war? --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 01:54, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    OR isn't about whether it's obvious to deduce or not, it's about if reliable, secondary sources (which the Houtis are not) make that connection. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 02:56, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    If all these are connected, we should be able to readily find sources in media and use their term for it. But I do feel this is more Wikipedians making this an umbrella term, the more I think about it, so this is probably OR to categorize them all under this. There's definitely indication that some of the events were triggered by instability created by the Israeli/Hamas conflict, but I don't think they should be taken as simply spillover, unless that can be readily demonstrated in RSes. Masem (t) 16:01, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Improve article, then support The article, as I said in the discussion for the U.S. bombing of Syria and Iraq discussion, does not even mention that event occurring, and has 4 citation needed tags. When the article gets to be of a better quality, I agree with the argument that, at least for now, the events listed in the article really are "spillover" from the Israel-Hamas war. I would be particularly supportive of adding an ongoing item such as this due to it being able to handle the multiple different ongoing confrontations in the Middle East. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 02:44, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - should be one ongoing on the various attacks by Iran and Iranian-supported militias. We've already got one too many. Combine them all into a single target. Nfitz (talk) 05:09, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The link that's needed is the list of ongoing armed conflicts which includes the entire Middle East and more besides. Andrew🐉(talk) 08:33, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This article probably won't work at least in the current form, as it doesn't seem to mention the Red Sea crisis or the U.S.-Iran-backed militias conflict in Iraq and Syria, which were the two conflicts that we initially wanted to include in ongoing. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 13:19, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Never mind, someone added them in. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 19:12, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support bracketing it next to Israel-Hamas war. Neutral on removing Red Sea crisis; that should be separately nominated as an ongoing removal. JM (talk) 15:34, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Bit of a catch-all and nebulous concept. As recent discussion here show, it's not that hard to find an argument that claims basically everything happening in the Middle East is "spillover" from the Israel-Palestine conflict. The very fact that we are debating if the Red Sea Crisis is related shows this. Additionally, I would say "spillover" from a war is in a sense inextricably linked to the war and could be considered itself included in ongoing. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:14, 5 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose No need for 3 separate instances of the Israel-Hamas war.
Setarip (talk) 12:08, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Red Sea crisis is not part of the Israel-Hamas war. That's why the article was moved. JM (talk) 12:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Ready) February 2024 United States bombing of Iraq and Syria

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Support article looks fine, definitely a significant event. Not covered by Red Sea crisis in Ongoing, or at least it shouldn't be, as its a separate (but related) conflict involving Iran and the US. JM (talk) 15:42, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support on notability, as this does not neatly relate to I-P or Red Sea ongoing, but represents a new US-Iran confrontation. Mach61 (talk) 16:21, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, not close enough to the Red Sea Crisis to justify Ongoing. Yet another US-Iran proxy war. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 16:32, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As per my comment above, this cannot be adequately covered in the Red Sea crisis, and other candidate articles for ongoing (such as the Spillover of the Israel-Hamas war) are not of sufficient quality. Even if they were of sufficient quality, this event represents a significant response of the US on the Iran-backed proxies that deserves its own blurb. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 16:47, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support While it could hypothetically be subsumed by another article within the blurb, the spillover one is too wide in scope and this is definitively not part of the Red Sea crisis. I would support adding (spillover) as an add-on to the war, though, but that’s another discussion. The Kip 17:59, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Covered by ongoing. We can't cover every specific "spillover". If people are not happy with the "ongoing" section, we should a discussion about that, but to add a blurb doesn't seem at all suitable to me. Nigej (talk) 20:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Another attack on another Iran-supported militia. Something similar is already listed in ongoing. Perhaps the ongoing target needs to shift to cover all the Iranian and Iranian militia attacks. Nfitz (talk) 05:07, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support as it has global relevancy in an rapidly escalating "regional" conflict that has actors of virtually all the major global powers. I think numerous news outlets across the political spectrum and from all the major geopolitical powers have started to refer to a merger of numerous conflicts into one major conflict, so while this is not part of the Israel - Hamas war or the Red Sea crisis, it is very much interlinked with the two. CollationoftheWilling (talk) 08:01, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

February 2

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(Posted) RD: Oskar Negt

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Template:ITN candidate Influential German "New Left" philosopher and sociologist, teaching in Hanover for 3 decades after having been a mentor of the APO protest movement. The article was almost there but sources were missing. We still have no other source for early childhood but his autobiography, but actually - how would an "independent" source know better. More detail can be found in German and in the obits, but I'm not a philosopher ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Wikipedian and former Wikimedia Russia director is declared foreign agent in Russia

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Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Former Wikimedia Russia director, our fellow renowned wikipedician, university professor and lecturer Stanislav Kozlovsky was declared yesterday a foreign agent in Russia. Wikimedia Ru which was branch of Wikimedia already closed. This is very harsh label, it requires to specify in all publications that author is foreign agent, which is not feasible for university professor. While many famous public figures in Russia were given this label, in this case it is especially harmful, while he can not do educational work in Russia anymore. This event concerns Wikipedia, and not only because he won't be able to edit Wikipedia. This is a clear signal for Wikipedia in Russian language, and for people who edit it. There are many publications and sources on this, but they are mostly in Russian. In Russian Wikipedia, the news was already put on ITN. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:06, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Wayne Kramer (guitarist)

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Template:ITN candidate Guitarist and co-founder of MC5. 240D:1A:4B5:2800:9D18:87AB:E445:1974 (talk) 14:17, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Poonam Pandey

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Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Indian model and actress Lekhak93 (talk) 22:53, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose not notable enough to be in the recent deaths LuxembourgBoy42 (talk) 23:12, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Tq, as per policy. ChaotıċEnby(talk · contribs) 23:16, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of the policy, I'm curious to know how this person is "not notable enough to be in the recent deaths" but is somehow notable enough to have their own Wikipedia entry. --Bedivere (talk) 04:51, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. As noted above, the relevant guidelines state Template:Tq. The article meets the standards for updated content, significance, and quality. Einsof (talk) 03:14, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support Article is of generally good quality and is well-sourced. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:02, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Jonnie Irwin

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(Closed) Najib Razak's partial pardon

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Template:ITN candidateNominator's comments: Significant news in Malaysia, as one of the world's most notably corrupt politicians has had his sentence halved. Tofusaurus (talk) 16:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support in principle - major national news in a country, Oppose on quality, some citations needed. — Knightoftheswords 17:01, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is an amusing combo with the nomination for the new King of Malaysia, who supposedly has no power. But neither the article nor its source make it clear whether this was the outgoing or incoming king. And it's also an amusing combo with the sentencing of Imran Khan which also seems to be determined in a similar "pick a number, double it then halve it..." basis. It seems simpler to just report when these top tier guys get sent to jail or are released. This guy is still in prison and staying there for some years yet, right? Andrew🐉(talk) 17:37, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"neither the article nor its source make it clear whether this was the outgoing or incoming king" - yes it does. It's right there in the relevant section of the article. I'm neutral on the nomination itself, but I wish to draw ITN regulars' attention to yet another incoherent and inaccurate comment from Andrew Davidson. GenevieveDEon (talk) 17:57, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Good point – I missed that somehow in my first reading. Andrew🐉(talk) 18:15, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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(Closed) Murder of Brianna Ghey

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Template:Atop Template:ITN candidate Article was included in recent deaths back in February 2023 under its former title. The conviction of the teens last month was covered by all major UK news publications, as well as The NY Times, AP News, and The Washington Post The sentencing of the two teens has been covered by all major UK news publications, and ABC Australia. Content on the conviction and sentencing has already been included, and more is being added as additional sources are published. The significance of this is perhaps best summed up by Justice Yip's statement that the murder was "sadistic in nature and where a secondary motive was hostility towards Brianna because of her transgender identity." (The Guardian) Sideswipe9th (talk) 00:58, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

20 or life which is it? Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 01:41, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Life, with a minimum sentence of 22 years for the girl, and 20 years for the boy. I realise now that I worded blurb 1 really badly. I'll tweak it in a moment. Sideswipe9th (talk) 01:43, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In America we call that 20 to life and 22 to life. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 02:34, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose good faith nom. We posted the murder. There is nothing unusual about the convictions and/or sentences that justify blurbing the article. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:47, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose posted to RD, so the article was already featured for the same event; also, I know there is no minimum deaths, but ITN has sometimes refused to post mass shootings. I'm not seeing how sentencing for the killing of one person is significant enough for the main page without it being a public figure. Is this really major front-page news? JM (talk) 01:52, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes this is really major front page news on the UK. Every major UK news publication has at least one article on the sentencing on their websites. Both The Guardian and The Telegraph are running front page stories on it on Saturday's printed editions. Due to the public interest, the sentencing hearing was broadcast by Sky News and BBC Radio 4, something that is quite unusual for a crime of this nature. The killing itself has been described as particularly sadistic in nature, with a secondary motive being anti-trans hatred. Killings perpetrated by teens are also pretty unusual in the UK.
    Were this a crime in the US, or another country where mass shootings are sadly common place, I'd agree that this wouldn't meet the ITN criteria. But I think you have to judge news from each country by their relative standards for what is or is not common or routine. Sideswipe9th (talk) 02:24, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose I don't see anything significant in the sentencing in this case. The significance would come from the event itself, not the trial. In addition, as stated above, we have already posted this to RD, which I think is sufficient coverage for this event. 2G0o2De0l (talk) 03:11, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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February 1

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(Posted) RD: Carl Weathers

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Template:ITN candidate Died three days ago, just announced. Not ready for the usual reason. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:37, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support. A legend in the film industry who has played in multiple movies and shows LuxembourgBoy42 (talk) 23:14, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just FYI (also based on your !vote on another RD nom on significance) RD is not about significance or being a "legend", it's about whether the article is front page quality or not. RD works differently than blurbs. JM (talk) 01:55, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - unsourced material. Damn. Just got the vinyl albums for first four Rocky films yesterday as a belated Christmas gift. RIP. — Knightoftheswords 23:29, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There are plenty of obits to source the article, see Guardian. Top news on Variety. In Sly's tribute there are also some facts. BilboBeggins (talk) 21:33, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Template:@ITNA Article seems good to go. The Kip 19:11, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) F1 7 time world champion Lewis Hamilton makes shock move to Ferrari for 2025

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Oppose - per above PrecariousWorlds (talk) 20:40, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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