After immigrants are detained by ICE, there are probably records somewhere of who has an attorney, and who is calling family members or an attorney.
For the immigrants who aren’t calling any family or lawyers, the poorest of the poor, people with little to no connection to anyone, who may not even say which country they are from, if the administration were actually trying to kill as many disconnected immigrants as possible in secret, would society know?
For example, if the administration was composed of all types of conservative people, but 30 percent were secretly Nazis or wanted racial genocide, could there be a campaign to not just remove, but kill, immigrants, and the public doesn’t find out?
Yes, in the same way must Germans didn’t seem to know that the SS camps were death camps, it’s very possible – if not probable – that these places are either death camps already, or going to become death camps very soon.
There’s a reason that the administration is so cagey about allowing Democratic politicians in to see the facilities. The other thing is that concentration camps never start as explicit death camps, and the first casualties are always from things like lack of food and disease. Nothing about this suggests any differently.
From what I heard, we had at least 1,300+ people at Alligator Alcatraz disappear, with lawyers and family unable to contact them. A rumor I heard, claimed that Musk had a Neuro-Link laboratory in Florida. I don’t know if that is true, but that would be…possible. The Trump Regime certainly lacks the ethics, considering that it is covering for rapists, killers, and constantly lying. It isn’t difficult to believe that killing people would be A-OK among MAGA’s ranks.
I think it was Noem who joked about feeding the exact number of Latinos in the USA to the alligators. I am inclined to think it wasn’t a joke.
I think the real answer is worse. ICE is creating labor camps. Slavery.
Pretty sure the Nazis didn’t kill most of their prisoners until people started noticing the slave camps. So that checks out.
yes and no: part of the nazi plan was to kill the people by overworking them
RFK said that autistic people like me shouldn’t exist, and are useless to society. It was his announcement about making ‘wellness’ camps for my kind, that made me lock into resisting. I don’t want to die a freedom fighter, but the alternative is to die as a slave or to be slaughtered for merely existing.
“…and then they came for me…”
US South has had slave labor camps defined as prisons for 100 years. Angola farm.
If they’re prisoners, then slave labor is legal under the 13th Amendment. I think that’s the ultimate outcome. Imagine how much more profitable American corporations could be with free labor, like before the Civil War.
We were supposed to be worried about Brown people taking our jobs, but we really have to be worried about Federally-managed slaves taking our jobs instead.
Yet another thing about the Constitution that needs changing. The state shouldn’t benefit from a prisoner class, otherwise it would be inclined to perpetuate incarceration.
Yeah the 13th Amendment is easily the biggest problem in the Constitution. Everybody has pretty much ignored it, because it hasn’t become much of an issue outside the prison world, but it is becoming apparent that MAGA intends to exploit the shit out of that monstrous loophole.
“Perpetuate incarceration?” These psychopaths are going to expand, corporatize, and monetize incarceration, and literally revive the American Slave Economy on a national scale.
Their dream is an entire national workforce that is 90% AI, robotics, or Federally-supplied slave labor (managed by a private, Trump-owned corporation, of course). Imagine how much more profitable corporations could be under such a system? Imagine how much wealthier they could get if labor was nearly free (although they’ll still complain about costs, and demand government bail-outs, tax breaks, etc)? There is no possibility that the craven psychopaths can resist the lure of such riches. They have been moving toward this objective for decades, and now it within reach.
Of course, there will be a devastating Depression as millions PERMANENTLY lose their jobs (it won’t bother the wealthy, they fly above all that), and with unemployment and homelessness deemed illegal, they will go straight to the work camps. Need government assistance to feed your family, now that you are permanently unemployed? All assistance recipients have to work off their debt to the government by residing in the work camps, where you will be leased out to a corporation to do whatever they tell you to do. You are a slave.
Once this slave-based economy is established, it will be impossible to turn it back, without crashing the economy AGAIN, launching another devastating Depression like the one that hit the South following the end of slavery.
And as an epilogue: What do you think will happen to the most recalcitrant of resistors, who refuse to cooperate with a slavery-backed economy and government? If you can’t work, or won’t work, you are an enemy of the state, and you will be eliminated, along with anyone close to you that you may have influenced. After a while, resistance evaporates.
And that how Trump and Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller are going to turn us into North Korea. Why do you think Trump loves them so much? He’d LOVE to be that guy, and slavery is the key.
Yep. And if you think they will stop with brown people, Martin Nemoller might have a thing or two to say. Once our elections go full Russia they’ll come door to door for the guns. Every dictator disarms the population. Every dictator has labor camps. Every dictator has death squads. They will have lists of agitators, enemies of the state, and domestic terrorists. Trump has already talked about depopulating the US by 100 million people.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see this comment slid across an interrogation table at me one day.
You don’t give up your gun when they show up and not only will they all get automatic weapon boners until you’re dead, you will be labeled a domestic terrorist and family will be punished. You will be LUCKY if your loved ones simply get chained to a drone factory. Worst case?? Wives and daughters become comfort women.
Please… please… tell me I’m crazy and that this isn’t the North Korea hellscape we’re headed for.
They are already building Concentration Camps around the country, supposedly to temporarily house the immigrants they want to deport. But what happens to those Camps, and this wealthy, nearly untouchable agency when they’ve accomplished their immigration goals? Is it realistic to think that MAGA would surrender that power? Or will they expand it, and expand their mission?
Ita becoming clear that the ultimate goal is to create a population of slaves, which then can be forced to provide free labor for American corporations under the 13th amendment, boosting the economy and their profits, making their stock prices increase for those Sociopathic Oligarchs whose money is tied up in stock. Bringing back slavery is their ultimate goal, and the 13th Amendment gives that to them. They just need prisoners, and pretty soon, EVERYTHING will be illegal, and EVERYBODY is a potential criminal, and thus, a potential slave.
Trump has already talked about depopulating the US by 100 million people.
I’m pleased to see this, not a lot of people know about this, but he was actually saying that he had been speaking with Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller, and it was Peewee Himmler who said we should reduce the population TO 100 million people, and that they should look like him (God forbid). That would be about a 70% reduction in population from the current 335 million. It would be interesting to hear how PeeWee Himmler plans to accomplish his dream.
I think before this is nightmare is over we will be measuring death tolls in multiples of the Holocaust. It really is time to leave if you can. The midterm elections will be the fulcrum point. In November they will know if they ever have to worry ever being voted out again.
It’s literally the fucking Confederacy. The civil war never ended for them. They hid in plain sight for a century and a half. How many people know that the “GOP” stands for “Grand Old Party”? They stopped calling themselves Republicans 30 years ago. We all think this coup is a sudden thing. Yeah… the frogs are just now feeling the water get hot.
The next step is punishment. Plain and simple.
I think you are 100% right on every count, especially about the Midterms being the “fulcrum point.” Whatever happens in November, America will change greatly as a result, and it’s future path will be set. If Democrats win, it will be the start of taking our country back, and crushing and purging MAGA from our government and our society. The American people will accept nothing less from our Democratic losers, I mean “leaders.”
But if MAGA prevails, the future of America is going to be a giant prison slave labor force managed by a Trump corporation.
I’m getting old, and I have come around to the idea that my life may have a twist ending it wasn’t expecting. In fact, I have come to believe that dying in my sleep as an old man would be a waste. If America goes full MAGA, and Democracy ends, I will not be cooperative.
I’m not going down in a blaze of glory, however. I have people very close to me that I love more than life, and they are members of very vulnerable groups that MAGA hates, and will eventually be on their hit lists. If ANYTHING were to happen to any of them, I’m going to become a very dangerous person indeed.
Again, I won’t go down in a blaze of glory, I will be much more cautious and surgical about it. Revenge is a dish best served cold.
Finally someone mentions the fucking loophole in the 13th Amendment. Slavery is still legal in the US. It’s just illegal when anyone other than the prison-industrial complex does it.
CostCo, John Deere, and AT&T are all on this list.
CostCo does? That sucks!
Yep, Trump and Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller are going into the slavery business.
Wow…you guys always come back to this Constitution that government completely ignores.
That’s right, because THAT’S the LAW. We don’t throw it out because the bad guys won’t follow it, because that’s STUPID.
Does your country throw out the law because there are criminals who refuse to follow it? Do you just say “What’s the point of having laws, if a few won’t follow them? I guess the solution is to have NO LAW AT ALL?” Of course not. You FORCE the law breakers to follow the law, OR ELSE.
That’s what we want, for MAGA to follow the Constitution like every other administration for the last 250 years. And if they won’t, we’ll FORCE them to.
Personally, I think the Constitution as we know it is starting to resemble the Articles of Confederation: not fit for purpose.
It WAS an useful document, but we don’t have enough people upholding it, and the overall design of the thing is filled with poison pills to democracy. The 13th Amendment’s slave labor exception, electoral college, the lack of ranked-choice voting, not considering one’s body and devices to be ‘effects’ for warrant purposes, and so forth.
That is one of the reasons why I favor preparations for a civil war, because a true successor to America would need a fresh document to light the path towards a better future. It would be a painful thing, but I don’t think we have the luxury of a peaceful reformation anymore.
Of course, I would like to be wrong. But it ain’t prudent to believe that the Donorcrats and Turdpublicans would have a revelation and fix themselves.
Again, get rid of the he Constitution, and then what? This is is a typical MAGA strategy. They hate something, so they point out a flaw, and use that to rationalize getting rid of the whole thing, and replacing it with nothing. Like Obamacare.
Yeah, there are flaws in the Constitution, and MAGA is going to use the 13th Amendment to revive legal slavery, and like they do with EVERYTHING, we can expect them to exploit the shit out of it. But the foundational promises of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill.of Rights - that all people are created equal, and ALL people have the INALIENABLE RIGHTS to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness - are STILL worthy goals upon which to build a government, and a society. What foundational promises would you replace them with?
You can just just throw away the entire car because it needs some repairs as it ages, or you can recognize that the old girl just needs some basic maintenance, a few new parts, and maybe some upgrades, and she’ll go another century. That’s what our Constitution needs, just a little attention under the hood, and she’ll be good as new.
That seems a more cautious and responsible choice than let the obviously crooked MAGA used car guys pick out your next ride. They be happy to put you in a new governmental vehicle of THEIR choosing. What do you think that will be like?
A civil war would mean the Balkanization of the United States. We would become a collection of russias and North Koreas with a few Dubais thrown in. I cannot overstate how bad this would be. Millions dead. Unrecoverable economy. Oligarchs running city States. Do you want Jeff bezos to be a governor? Because that’s how you get Jeff bezos as governor.
The reformes you are suggesting would take a century and the 50 states would never be united again. I don’t disagree that you are pointing out serious and actionable flaws but you are calling for nothing less than the complete destruction of America and likely a third of our people. Civil war is… Jesus… I fucking hope we can hold our shit together.
Great post. This is the stark reality among all the fantasies of glorious revolution we are hearing.
The Sociopathic Oligarchs are already making plans for “Freedom Zones,” large areas where the government has surrendered the land to some Oligarch/corporation for them to develop and operate as their own, largely free from government interference of ANY kind. They can operate under any conditions, with any wages, and no oversight at all, largely staffed by foreign workers, perhaps supplemented by slave labor from American Concentration Camps. They will be creating autonomous city states run by brutal billionaire warlords. Think Hong Kong or Dubai, but with the emphasis on slavery and human degradation.
MAGA is already on board with this plan, and nothing would assist more than to Balkanize America, so that there is so much chaos and violence, these monsters could establish their Fiefdoms in relative peace, without a functional court system, government, or media interfering with their new hobby.
Does anyone know the whereabouts of any of the 1200 detainees at “Alligator
AlcatrazAuschwitz”, the prison camp that suddenly disappeared?Despite the best efforts of the Biden administration, there were still more than 1000 children who were victims of Stephen “PeeWee Himmler” Miller’s Family Separation Policy who had not been reunited with their families, and likely never will be. I tried to find out what happened to those kids, and couldn’t find anything, and nobody seems to be looking for them.
I suspect that the pretty ones have been sold into sex slavery, the compliant ones are house slaves, and the rest were sent on nature hikes in the Everglades.
And they’re doing it all again. Splitting up families, and gathering the kids together. Few people have less ability to resist avarice than Trump. After his long, close friendship with Epstein, nobody is more aware of the fact that few products are as valuable among the wealthy as a pretty teenage girl, and without Epstein around, the International Oligarch Pedophile Circuit needs a new leader, and Trump is in the perfect position to supply as much product as the market demands.
I highly doubt he can resist the urge; he certainly hasn’t shown any past inclination to reign in his worst impulses.
FYI: It was 1800.
Literally could not think of an easier spot than hundreds of miles of Everglades so I fear you might be right ☹️
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/immigration/article312042943.html
Supposed to be 1800, 1200 unaccounted for. According to the reporting you just linked
This is what I came here to post, and no! There’s ~50 billion in fresh funding burning a hole in ICE’s pocket, purchase orders for camps very much including infrastructure for the handling of remains, and published quotas impossible to meet any other way though!
To be precise: there is no record of what happened to ~1600 of the “detainees” who went through that camp. They were booked in but not out. Not held, released, or deported. Just gone.
My concern is that there is enough documentation on who isn’t calling people, who has no connection to anyone…
If there were racist genocidal people within the system and they were able to recognize each other (via tattoos, memberships) and then assign each other to certain duties, if certain people were put into cargo planes and dumped over the ocean, I’m not sure anyone would know.
It’s very hard for detainees to communicate with anyone in places like that if the detainee doesn’t have money or anyone willing to accept a call. If someone who was a racist genocidal person was put in charge of putting people into groups (based on lawyers, family contact, etc), people who were completely disconnected could be put into a unique group, put in a certain part of a facility, and flown in cargo planes together.
I just don’t know how likely this is. CECOT is a facility that holds people in a way that many international organizations would consider torture. If people were being killed in there, including people deported by the USA, I am very sure people would not know.
If we don’t know where 1200 people who were previously detained have gone as a society, and if there’s no record of where they were sent, it’s hard to fathom the state didn’t kill them, although I don’t know.
I’m very ignorant on all of this. 25% was just a randomly chosen number. But what about 10% or 5%? I just don’t entirely understand the purpose of making immigrants being deported untrackable unless the point is to make it easier to kill them, because if the purpose was just to make it harder to legally contest deportation, the system could just be very slow but have slow tracking built into it… but it doesn’t have that, right? I really don’t know the answers to any of this.
Possible, but highly unlikely.
For starters, if that many were killed, I think it’d be really hard to keep a lid on it these days.Secondly, I’ve done a lot of reading on the atrocities of WW2, and two immediate constraints come to mind:
- Bodies. While possible, disposing of that many bodies without anyone noticing will be really hard.
- The gas chambers of ww2 were only planned during the Wannsee conference in 1942, long after the holocaust actually started. The gas chambers were built because the original plan was not sustainable: People killing other people at an industrial scale. No matter how vile a person is, the human mind was not built to deal with having to mow down swathes of humans with a gun. Even the worst SS troops largely couldn’t deal with killing that many defenseless people, even if they were convinced it was “for the greater good”. The amount of SS troops who ended up unable to continue due to the mental after effects is staggering.
I’d like to add that these people are evil, but also monumentally stupid. If anything like that happened you could be sure that the perpetrators would brag about it on social media.
I think that’s why they’re letting measles spread in the concentration camps. They want them dead, but it has to look like an accident, or out of their hands.
A lot of the times our hospital security show up to my deescalation classes after leaving a job in corrections. One of the things we often commiserate on is that they got into corrections and I into the state hospital to try and help other people grow and heal but what happened is that we got caught in a loop of “what am I going to see next that I’m going to have to report?” I’m now working for a psych unit in a regular hospital which still has it’s flaws but none comparable to the state.
First you see a patient spit in the face of a staff member who has to be physically held back from hitting them (they actually told us we’re allowed to restrain our coworkers if that happens), then you see a staff member get called racial slurs and they get up in the patients face and yell at them and you have to get between them and tell your coworker to take a walk but it’s hard to get them to do that because it’s 2am and there’s no other techs on the unit and they know the nurse isn’t gonna come out to help you before it’s too late. And those reactions make sense and you wonder why they’re packing you in with so many patients that your coworker can’t just walk away. And then you see somebody posture and yell at a patient who’s just all around rude but again it’s 2am and you can’t make it to 7 with just one tech.
And you also know that you’re going to need to choose the moment that it’s too much and that’ll be the end. Because if you stay after that you become the “them” in the “us vs them” and one day you’re going to face a violent patient at 2am and the tech who’s with you will leave you alone with that patient because “I don’t want you to report me too.”
And if you’re smart, you get out before it gets that far. One day a nurse asked me what I’d seen happen and I told them (truthfully) that I’d been at lunch and had no idea what they were talking about and they cut the conversation off. And I had no idea what patient or staff member it would’ve been about (as far as I could tell all of the patients were the same as before I’d gone to lunch) so I couldn’t have reported anything anyway. But I had to ask myself if I had seen something what would I have been asked to cover up?
I said that to that hospital security worker coming from corrections and there was this instant look of recognition. Anybody who’s worked corrections or for the state will tell me something similar happened to them, or worse. And I just… You either get out or something awful happens. I’m so grateful I was able to get out before I personally got pulled into something. You think you’ll be able to be different but that system is just so much bigger than you. And it’s not because I’m a better person it was luck. Part of it was luck that I had enough formal and informal education to know what was coming but some of it was pure grace of the universe luck.
And people who are outside of it living their happy lives will tell you they want a better system, but they will never truly be willing to put in the work needed to change it or even give you the resources to do it yourself. Like I’d been a patient at that state hospital previously and went back as a staff member to try and help and being a staff member was just so much worse somehow. I’m grateful that it gave me the experience to do what I do now and be an authority / teacher in the management of violent patients but it was hell while it was happening (I was also in therapy for other stuff at the time and was sooo fortunate to be given that opportunity to properly contextualize the experience as it was happening). No one who’s never been through that will ever really understand.
The amount of SS troops who ended up unable to continue due to the mental after effects is staggering.
I’m interested to learn more about this, could you point me in the right direction?
It’s not just the SS, the Wehrmacht also “suffered” from having to shoot all these people. Read up on Babij Jar, Ukraine. Even Himmler is on record expressing sympathy for his killers. That’s why the bullet based plan turns into a gas based one. Because it’s “easier” to flip a switch on a room full of people than to shoot naked people to fall on other corpses already in the ditch.
I was taught that the original plan was scrapped because it was seen as wasteful of ammunition, which was more and more of a problem in the late war
Both are probably true. Not many classes teach about how badly the Nazis felt; while I’m sure many of them, especially the lower ranks, suffered immense mental trauma - you really can’t explain that without sounding a bit like a sympathizer.
Maybe I’m the weird one, but it doesn’t make much sense to me to be unable to talk about them experiencing mental trauma for what they’re doing without being able to separate the fact that it doesn’t make them sympathetic or absolve them of the crimes. Life is way too complicated to try and simplify things like that.
I felt the same way a year or two back when some story broke about an IDF soldier who committed suicide because of what they did to Palestinians. I can recognize that it would absolutely cause an immense toll on their psyche but also say that they deserved to feel that bad for it, though I’m not gonna celebrate the suicide personally
We live in an animal world, where holocausts happen.
Do you expect the same species that is behind the holocaust, to understand nuance?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Blokhin
Blokhin was selected for the position by Joseph Stalin in 1926 and led a company of executioners that performed and supervised numerous mass killings in the Soviet Union during Stalin’s reign, mostly during the Great Purge and Eastern Front of World War II.[1] Blokhin is recorded as having executed tens of thousands of prisoners by his own hand, including his killing of about 7,000 Polish prisoners of war during the Katyn massacre in spring 1940, making him the most prolific official executioner in recorded world history.[1][2][3] Blokhin was forced into retirement in 1953 after the death of Stalin and condemned during de-Stalinization shortly before his death in 1955.
Nazis weren’t able to fly easily over the ocean during WW2. You wouldn’t be able to reach Holocaust numbers with a plane, but I think “deporting” people but dumping them into the ocean could be possible and seems easy to hide.
Bodies would be washing up on shore or limbs would be showing up in the stomachs of fish.
Death flights have quite a long history, sadly, and were a favourite of far right South American dictatorships promoted by the USA…
I think you underestimate the creativity and power of these people.
It’s exactly like ww2. People just didn’t want to see it. It will come out at some point. I am certain the USA is already using German KZ methods.
two immediate constraints come to mind:
- Bodies. While possible, disposing of that many bodies without anyone noticing will be really hard.
They’re already using military cargo planes for “deportation” flights. Maybe some don’t have any live passengers, and they just dump the bodies mid-ocean. No need for mass graves, just load cargo containers onto a cargo plane and off it goes. If it lands with one or two fewer than it started with, that’s just a paperwork issue.
Yes. And based on everything else that MAGA and billionaires have been caught doing and defending, I think there is almost certainly widespread sex trafficking and abuse of the detainees. Why else would the administration try so hard to prevent Congress from observing the facilities?
If the Trump thugs act this badly on the streets then how horribly much worse do you think people are being treated I’m these secret detention facilities completely hidden from public view? This IMO will be seen as one of the worst chapters of our country once all the truth comes out.
Bad enough to end the Republican party in the long run? Hopefully.
ICE has always “lost” suspicious amounts of children.
It’s worth remembering that something like 5% of the population is sociopathic. That’s a lot of people who are morally compromised.
More of them are sadists, as in nothing wrong with them, they just choose evil every day.
I’m not sure that your second point is still a constant, though this is just an opinion and I’m open to discussion on this. They seem to have solved the problem of people not being up to mass killings, through desensitization through social media (I’m thinking of telegram groups specifically). There have been a lot of cases shown recently of people taking outright glee in their and others’ grotesque murders, en masse.
Actually this is pretty good evidence they haven’t started doing that yet. There would be leaks.
to add to this point, they have driven cars through protestors and approved of people doing so.
ICE has some reporting requirements that they are (Maybe? To some extent?) still following.
This tool was doing some collection for that: https://github.com/Open-Security-Mapping-Project/ice_detention_scraper
(Development has hit a bit of a snag recently unfortunately.)
I would have thought it possible but I reckon that most of them stay in touch with family and friends back home or in the states, so there’d be a big international outcry if people were suddenly getting radio silence from their friends rounded up by ice.
But ICE could also feasibly take away their phones - anyone know if they do this? Again, as far as I know, they don’t.
I think this is probably happening too. They aren’t being transparent at all and they’re blocking any oversight by the few representatives that are trying to get access to the for profit death camps. I think it’s going to get way worse. All of our representatives are Israeli assets so it’s no coincidence that we’re starting to look like occupied Gaza.
I’m not convinced that these people are organized and competent enough to kill people in that scale without people finding out.
That said, I am certain that a whole lot if people have been killed in custody and covered up, but I don’t think it’s on a scale like that.
I’m not convinced that these people are organized and competent enough to kill people in that scale without people finding out.
Same thoughts. But also too incompetent to single out the detainees who won’t be missed.
That said, I am certain that a whole lot if people have been killed in custody and covered up, but I don’t think it’s on a scale like that.
Oh for sure, but it’ll again be at least part Incompetence and part maliciousness, with an unfortunate outcome.
Actively, no. But part of the camps is intentional neglect like thermal insulation in the housing, pack of blankets, poor material quality, pest infested bedding, no screens to stop mosquitoes, etc. The lack of protections means increased mortality and morbidity for the captured.
Since they currently house a few thousand in different centers the likelihood of a quarter of unreported dead is unlikely but not impossible. But they definitely have a short awful future which none affected deserve.
In addition to the aspects you’ve mentioned, they also have a history of denying people necessary medications. A number of people have died as a result.
https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/09/25/men-lost-from-alligator-alcatraz/
Theoretically? No.
In reality it’s already happening.
This is from ONE concentration camp. If they’re moving people between these ‘detention centers’ and fudging the data or straight up not recording anything on where people are, then they can disappear who they want, and by the time their lawyers or family get visit approval it’s already too late.
We still have a (mostly) free press though. Eventually families and counsel would find out and the news would get it. Unless it started very recently I don’t find this credible.
Your source is paywalled fyi.
Do we have a free press?
I was a Palestine protestor at my college encampment. When I tell you that I lost so much faith in journalism after the lies they printed about us, I want you to take my full meaning. For persec reasons, I won’t say where or what they printed. But I remember camp being equal parts hopeful and defiant, and angry and resolute. I was one of the few with any real camping experience, so my self-assigned task was repairing tents and reviewing sleeping accommodations to make sure no one was cold or sleeping poorly. What the press made it look like was ‘group of absolutely clinically loony college kids invite hoards of homeless bums to their college and start trashing everything in sight under guise of protest’.
Without fail, it was recognizable and ‘reputable’ news orgs that were printing bald-faced outright lies about us. A few of the journalists I interacted with expressed… regret. Despair. Only one I met seemed happy to be there. The rest, the look on their faces made it feel like they were at our funeral. The ones that printed the truth? A local headshop magazine that usually covered what strains of cannabis were popular, and Unicorn Riot. The offbeat weirdos or dedicated ideologues.
It was so jarring to see a profession I regarded so highly eviscerating the truth. I’ve lost all faith in corporate media, and I will never get it back.
OK so it depends on what you mean by free press. I meant you can report the truth and that (usually) won’t get you arrested. I did not mean the mainstream press is always fair or honest.
There’s been a huge growth of independent journalists that give far more accurate accounts of leftist perspectives in protests, etc. Though you have to be careful because there’s plenty of dishonest independent journalists too. But if you have good media literacy and fact checking ability the information is still out there. As opposed to places where if you speak certain facts aloud you may be arrested.
Comparing the audience garnered by corporate media vs unethical independent media vs ethical independent media, America functionally does not actually have a free press. Take it from someone who had to stare down the barrel of a camera and get blasted on live TV for doing the right thing.
OK, I understand your position but again that’s not what I meant. I just meant the free dissemination of information is largely legal and available to those of us who care to look for it. So I don’t think something this big could go unnoticed by everyone. Some people sure but not everyone.
Do we?
As far as I can tell, people can still report on these facts without major safety risk. Yes, the free press is under attack but it hasn’t succumbed yet.
Odd, nothing asked me to pay to read, give me a sec and I’ll pull their sources for you to assuage some of that doubt.
Did Germans Know About the Holocaust During the War?
https://youtu.be/kKlvq0PP4MQ
we are Germany
Everyone knew. The Holocaust is just the Jewish part, by the way. It started with dissidents and “unnatural” people.
We’re at the early stage of them trying plan A which is mass deportation to hostile countries until they realize how expensive it is. Then they’ll move on from there. So is mass killing happening? Not likely. Is genocide in place though? Absolutely.
Pasting a reply from elsewhere here:
There’s ~50 billion in fresh funding burning a hole in ICE’s pocket, purchase orders for camps very much including infrastructure for the handling of remains, and published quotas impossible to meet any other way
To be precise: there is no record of what happened to ~1600 of the “detainees” who were last seen at the camp in Florida when it got temporarily shut down. They were booked in but not out. Not held, released, or deported. Just gone.
Not doubting, and wouldn’t be surprised. But I do like a good read to, have any?
https://www.npr.org/2026/01/21/nx-s1-5674887/ice-budget-funding-congress-trump
https://www.commondreams.org/news/military-contract-concentration-camps
Here’s some recent reporting around ICE funding and expenditures
https://www.snopes.com/news/2025/09/25/men-lost-from-alligator-alcatraz/
and here’s a very careful take on the missing “detainees” from Snopes. Stuff like this is pretty tricky to report on in the moment, it’ll be a lot clearer in the history books.
“FALSE. No one is unaccounted — including at Alligator Alcatraz — in ICE’s online detention locator system. This is yet another hoax about the facility.”
^ official response.
Thank you, good reads. Between the lines then is mass extermination happening? Not yet, but people are dying and disappearing, being relocated to obfuscate the line of paper work. GIven it’s Y’all Qaeda in charge of iCE we’re at the tip of mass exterminations and slavery.
At what point you consider the exterminations “mass” is somewhat arbitrary. Slave population has remained relatively steady (highest per capita in the world, but steady) while the rate at which we eliminate “undesirables” is shooting up in a way that’s really difficult to track or hold anyone accountable for
Any amount of killing/deaths because of ICE/DHS is still monstrous. Just that until the word comes out that they’re killing them actively in large groups will some people “in the middle” be convinced.
I’m pretty sure their plan was never to deport everyone. They want slaves.
Oh abso-fucking-lutely they want slaves. Even the Nazis were transparent on that front of forced labor en masse. The thing is they worked people to death then brought fresh bodies in so it was a win win for them.
I want to have enough faith in humanity to believe that someone inside those camps would leak this information if it were happening.
I want to
I think the political and legal fallout from something like this would be too much of a deterrent for them.
i imagine they want to build private prisons whose owners get to siphon off a shitload of tax dollars. I’m pretty sure that this is where a lot of the ICE budget is going
