We really should have proportional representation.

good luck getting anything when the blackshirts are in power

there are people like Ben Shapiro that are on the same side as those bastards while emphasizing the “JUDEO” part of “JUDEO-Christian values” which , btw, is a term that has been engineered specifically to exclude islam out of the group of “Abrahamic religions”, and/or to shove jews into the same bucket as the majority when “christian values” would be used instead.

it’s fucking dog whistles all the way down.

well, don’t stoop to their level. innocent jews still exist.

labor is not center right.

Is that a word? It is now!

all of those are words except afrodisic. It’s “aphrodisiac” from “Aphrodite”

Reminds me of all the “natural viagras” being sold in turkey. Every fucking fruit or preserved fruit based dessert is sold as an aphrodisiac.

no, I’m just linking you to somewhere where you can learn more about how people talk about politics etc. I’m done in this thread to be honest

start here, read the FACTUAL parts of the ideologies listed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Political_Compass#Political_model

check the sources to see if they are credible, but the text should “mainstreamise” your ideas on how to analyse political parties/movements at a basic level.

educate yourself by reading some unbiased sources.

OK. And out of the historical parties in power in the UK for the past hundred years, where does the Labour party lie?

thank you as always for your depth of knowledge and desire to share it with us.

I enjoyed reading your original explaination, but couldn’t avoid making the stupid spanish reference of Res = beef.

if they are progressive and vote labour or green, how are they saying the progressives are right wing and conservatives left wing?

The left right axis isn’t about “left good, right bad”. If you look at the things I posted, and try to determine if those are actions that have political motivation on the right, left or center.

Most of those things are bad (nationalising all industry is a mixed bag, and open to long ass discussions many people have had in the past). However, they are aimed at reducing the income disparity or restricting captialist actions. They fit on the left, or at least, are not centrist, nor right wing. The way those actions were carried out are through authoritarian regimes with police state like apparatuses to enforce them.

In terms of the political compass, the USSR is not lib left; it was far too socially restrictive, thus, there is a mixture of authoritarianism and left wing economic policy.

These are historic facts and analyses that are corroborated. They aren’t nice things, but it’s how it is.

how about nationalising rail?

yeah, who are your friends, Tommy Robinson and Nigel Farage? Labour are left wing, and mostly/usually socially progressive. The problem with labour is that they support some of the same authoritarian things that the conservatives do, like dragnet surveillance. This is due to the sensibilities of the british population, and trying to win votes, which is why they are attempting to further regulate migration and continue with brexit/keeping the UK out of the EU.

I just don’t think you can be pro-police state and be on the left.

go explain that to basically all the big auth-left countries in the 20th century; China, Cuba, Vietnam, Cambodia and North Korea. (EDIT : missed the obvious, USSR)

They did famously right wing things like nationalising all industry, killing landlords and capitalists, and banning religion.

Progressives are right-wing and conservatives are left-wing specifically in Britain.

put down the crack pipe.

I think its likely they will do what Lab/Lib did in the past few elections where they strategically stand down candidates in tory regions to unite the vote, thus stopping people from being able to split the vote.

I’m not sure it will do much good, the numbers are very close when it comes to CON + “reform” , compared to LIB + LAB. (~10mil v ~12 mil, favouring left).

plus all the usual shennanigans of rural places getting more votes, the voters being clumped in various regions, etc etc.

I already left, so I don’t care much.

sure, Tories are left wing, that’s why they have a self hating black woman with african parents, who grew up in africa talking about how much she hates woke diversity in charge.

Labour are obviously nazis, since they have a white male human rights lawyer in charge.