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Middle East

Ibrahim Hendal

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I don't see that he meets the notability policy; the sources are scarce. فيصل (talk) 07:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Nothing concrete to establish notablility, fails GNG -- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 09:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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List of telecommunications companies in the Middle East and Africa

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What wikipedia is not, is not a WP:NOTADIRECTORY which this article clearly is. Govvy (talk) 15:45, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Al Ghardaqa

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Total WP:SYNTH/WP:OR - unverifiable (book ISBNs all fail lookup, as do the cited DOIs). Sent to draft, returned by author unchanged other than to remove many of the suspect ISBNs. BTW the book titles themselves fail book search - give the first cited source, "Genealogies of Eastern Arabia: Tracing the Lineages" a try... WP:NOTGENEALOGY very much applies but even if it didn't, this content is dubious and misleading (but also irrelevant) at best. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as above. DrKay (talk) 11:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Previously deleted by WP:PROD , ineligible for soft deletion.
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2024 Gaza Strip polio epidemic

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Basically a WP:REDUNDANTFORK of Gaza humanitarian crisis.

More importantly, off all the given sources, only a single one (The National) uses the term "epidemic" in its own voice, with 2 more quoting the Gaza Health Ministry's declaration of an epidemic. RS hasn't been using the term epidemic (probably because as of now there haven't been any confirmed cases yet. There are strong fears of a coming epidemic, and polio has been found in the sewage, but thankfully no infections). At the very least the article needs to be considerably shortened, and name changed to "Polio discoveries" or something. Violates Crystal Ball. It's also not being (significantly) covered by RS on its own, but rather as part of the broader crisis. Hydromania (talk) 03:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis - Wouldn't be opposed to recreating the article later if more sources begin to call the Polio issue an epidemic, but a redirect would suffice for right now. Jdcomix (talk) 13:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Redirecting the current title if the term "epidemic" is not being used by multiple reliable sources would violate WP:NDESC. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Gaza humanitarian crisis. My first impression is that we should probably redirect. Now to read with care... Yeah, merge with Gaza humanitarian crisis. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move or merge. There are plenty of reliable sources with significant coverage, so deleting it isn’t warranted. If kept, a move or rename to 2024 Gaza Strip polio outbreak or the like would be appropriate. I don’t oppose the merger, however the main article could get filled with a lot of more important and less important trivia; see what happened at one time to Palestinian law. Bearian (talk)

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keep - and expand. Could be broadened to "infectious diseases outbreaks" instead of just polio, but it warrants its own coverage separate from starvation and other issues. FourPi (talk) 12:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep per https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/8/16/israel-war-on-gaza-live-children-killed-in-israeli-attack-on-jabalia-camp, https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/16/un-chief-calls-for-polio-pause-in-gaza-war-to-tackle-virus and FourPi. Pachu Kannan (talk) 02:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That Al Jazeera article does not use the term "Polio Epidemic" in its own voice. Hydromania (talk) 06:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gaza humanitarian crisis is a redirect (it should appear as a green link) so it won't be possible to redirect or merge to it. So you might want to look at ITS target article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - and rename article without using the term 'epidemic', as there is no metric that describes a cluster of three cases as an epidemic. My preference is to use the term 'cases' or 'outbreak' as per Bearian's reasoning and suggestion on 16 August 2024 immediately before AfD was relisted. AllPurposeScientist^blah 11:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I should add that I generally agree with the original reasoning 2 weeks ago, but the situation appears to be more clearly defined now. AllPurposeScientist^blah 11:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Country deletion sorting

Bahrain

Bahrain Proposed deletions

Egypt

Seneb-Neb-Af

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I can only find sources and content unduly taking about mastaba. ~~If there should be ATD, then redirect.~~ Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:43, 26 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: mastaba is not an appropriate redirect target, as he is not mentioned there. It's clear that he's only notable as the person who was buried in his mastaba, though, so the AfD discussion here should centre on whether Mastaba of Seneb-Neb-Af is notable (we can rename the article after the AfD if so). -- asilvering (talk) 18:22, 1 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, thanks for that, Asilvering. I think we should redirect this article somewhere for now since Mastaba of Seneb-Neb-Af hasn't been created yet. Is there any target you can think of? I wouldn't support renaming because the article is a mess; lacks sources and sufficient context. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:03, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Mastaba is a generic term for a type of tomb. Redirecting there would make no sense. It could be mentioned at Dahshur#Tombs and cemeteries, though. XOR'easter (talk) 19:50, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I like this target but how is it connected? Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 21:08, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's where the tomb of Seneb-Neb-Af is. XOR'easter (talk) 20:37, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure if having a tomb dedicated/made by/for someone establishes their notability. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 13:33, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand your comment. We know it belongs to him; it's got his name on it. -- asilvering (talk) 22:52, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SafariScribe, it's much better to respond to comments as a reply rather than rewriting your initial talk page comment. To reply to your new comment: XOR'easter is not making any kind of claim about Seneb-Neb-Af's notability. They're saying that the tomb could be mentioned in the article Dashur, since that's where the tomb is. -- asilvering (talk) 16:20, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh! Danke. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 16:56, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear on my stance, I think the tomb could be mentioned there, but that it's not so important or well-reported (at this point) to be worth doing so. -- asilvering (talk) 19:14, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Okay, having looked into this a bit more, I don't think we should redirect this at all, since this is a very new finding that has only just been reported on in popular press. We don't even have a site report yet as far as I can tell? I don't think a mention is due on Dashur, and I don't think anyone searching for this name will be well-served by a redirect, either. -- asilvering (talk) 23:35, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Egypt Proposed deletions

Iran

Shahid Doran Metro Station (Shiraz)

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I am proposing this page and all other seperate articles for each station on this metro line to be deleted. They all fail notability criteria for stations (see WP:STATION) and most are unsourced, single sentence articles, proving their lack of notability. Some of the stations on the line already lack a saperate page. All relevant information for each station is on the parent article (Shiraz Metro). This includes every station name in order, a map, whether the station has connections, whether it is active, and the year it was opened. Therefore, the separate articles are unnecessary and go against Wikipedia criteria for separate articles SJD Willoughby (talk) 20:15, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following related pages because, as mentionned, they are all undersouced, unnotable, with many mistakes:

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Merge and redirect to a new article about the line they are on. The level of detail is too great for the main metro article but there isn't enough information (at least not yet) in English to support stand-alone articles. However, like the vast majority of rapid transit stations, the stations are plausible search terms to we should take readers directly to the content we have rather than hoping search results (which may be several clicks/taps away) always prominently return the relevant articles at the top of the list (which cannot be guaranteed). Thryduulf (talk) 00:33, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure what you mean by "the level of detail is too great for the main metro article" as there is no detail and 90% of the info on the separate articles can also by found on the metro article SJD Willoughby (talk) 01:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Correct me if I'm wrong) I think Thryduulf is suggesting that the information about each line be split out from the main Shiraz Metro article to a dedicated article for each line (for example Line 1 (Shiraz Metro), Line 2 (Shiraz Metro) etc), before redirecting the articles about the individual stations to the respective lines they serve (eg Razi Metro Station (Shiraz) to the new line 1 article), which is something we usually do for metro systems. As another example, International Airport station (Ürümqi Metro) currently redirects to the line it is on, that is Line 1 (Ürümqi Metro), instead of the system, in this case Ürümqi Metro.

As for me, I would be supportive of the above measure, but since the articles haven't been created yet, the current proposal to redirect to Shiraz Metro works for me too. S5A-0043^Talk 08:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sayeye Penhan

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Fails WP:NFILM in short. No critical reception whatsoever. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 07:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"This article is about an Iranian film that was recorded in Iran according to the sources available in the article. If the article is lacking in content, it is likely that the user who created it did not have sufficient information and was unable to provide further edits. As you may have noticed, a 'stub' template has been added at the end of the article, indicating that editors are encouraged to help expand the article by adding more information. According to this procedure, the article needs more time to be completed. However, you have placed a deletion template on this article, which goes against the rules of English Wikipedia." 5.233.174.226 (talk) 16:17, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if you have no decent sourcing to start with, adding a stub template doesn't really help. Oaktree b (talk) 16:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: No mentions in RS other than what's given; not seeing notability for this short film. I don't find any sourcing either. Oaktree b (talk) 16:35, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
A statement is made that is not logical. You say there are no sources, so what are the sources listed in the references section for? This has been officially announced as a certain type of film and has been screened as a cinematic movie in Iran and registered on IMDb. You shouldn't compare this article, which pertains to Iran, with an article related to the United States, because it was created by an editor who has limited knowledge about Iranian cinema, and this will be corrected over time with the help of other editors. Unfortunately, you made a hasty decision to delete this article, which is not logical and violates Wikipedia's rules. This article is still new and was created just a month ago, and a stub template has been added to allow editors to contribute, with credible sources also cited. 5.233.174.226 (talk) 17:36, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This article, with its completed information, should remain on English Wikipedia and not be deleted, so that it can be improved and matured by editors.

Thank you. 5.233.230.102 (talk) 18:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Iranian Ghadir Iron and Steel Company

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fails WP:CORP, Very ordinary company with nothing special, and no achievements, most of the references are unacceptable: some links from company's website (igisco.ir), some links are company info page in stock websites or profile, some refs are WP:TRIVIALMENTION. Ibrahim.ID ✪ 20:25, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kimia Alizadeh vs Nahid Kiani

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The article attempts to be a WP:SPINOFF from Taekwondo at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 57 kg but nothing that is mentioned here cannot be there. (CC) Tbhotch^™ 19:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I've added content and WP:RS that supports the article. This article is specific to not only an event within Taekwondo at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 57 kg, but also the prior tournament, the background and events surrounding the bout including the censorship, as well as reactions. Having all of this information placed within the Taekwondo at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's 57 kg article is unbefitting and WP:UNDUE.--Ronnnaldo7 (talk) 21:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The sources available are enough to have notability. As with any highly trending event at the Olympics, they should have their own article. Ahri Boy (talk) 02:01, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amirkian Mohammadi

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I had a look at the sources and had a little look on google, but I simply don't see the article passing the general criteria for even basic WP:GNG. Govvy (talk) 15:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 14:40, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability.Tehonk (talk) 06:01, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Afsheen (musician)

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The creating editor has had this draft declined several times at WP:AFC and has expressed the firm opinion that it should be in mainspace in its current form. They have the right to disagree with reviewers. I have accepted the draft and am submitting it to AfD on the simple basis that the several reviewers who declined it may have a different view from the community. Consensus is our governing mantra, and will be formed now. I view this as a very poorly referenced offering that does not verify its subject's notability. I have reviewed each of the 22 alleged references. Of the 22 I find only a couple that have any form of real coverage about Afsheen, several which are track listings, which add no clue to verifying notability, several more which are pure churnalism - breathy notices of new releases, at least one which has no mention of Afsheen, several interviews with Asheen (we have no interest in what he says, we are only interested in what is said about him.) 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:41, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Thank you for accepting. I strongly believe it meets the WP:COMPOSER I added CD as sources, and ask you to check those before voting. Those are also included in over 20 wikipedia articles about his work.

Criteria for composers and lyricists

WP:COMPOSER

For the WikiProject, see Wikipedia:Composers.

Composers, songwriters, librettists or lyricists, may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria:

Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition. - "there are over 20 notable composition that even have their own WIKIPEDIA articles." Mentioned in over 23 sources I added to the article.
Has written musical theatre of some sort (e.g., musicals, operas) that was performed in a notable theatre that had a reasonable run, as such things are judged in their particular situation, context, and time.
Has had a work used as the basis for a later composition by a songwriter, composer, or lyricist who meets the above criteria.
Has written a composition that has won (or in some cases been given a second or other place) in a major music competition not established expressly for newcomers.
Has been listed as a major influence or teacher of a composer, songwriter, or lyricist that meets the above criteria.
Appears at reasonable length in standard reference books on their genre of music.

J2009j (talk) 18:50, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this should be interpreted as a Keep opinion. Doubtless J2009j will confirm this by adding "Keep" in bold to their input. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely 🥸.I did not know WP:COMPOSER exists. J2009j (talk) 19:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would ask @Oaktree b, whom I saw many times on the delete page to review this and WP:COMPOSER, and criteria #1 if he has time, please. I am actually tired for this category being ignored every time I ask. J2009j (talk) 23:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I don't see notability of any flavour, be it WP:GNG, WP:MUSICBIO, WP:CREATIVE or otherwise. The fundamental problem here is that an association with several notable musicians and/or musical works is being whipped up to a claim of share-of-notability for everyone involved, as in the old proverb that "success has many fathers" etc., which just doesn't cut it. This individual may well be talented, for all I know, and might one day become notable, but just isn't there yet. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 19:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DoubleGrazing Hi! I think you deliberately ignored my comment about WP:COMPOSER criteria #1, because you declined my draft. Rules are the same for all. If I see something wrong, I say it, and I believe it is fine to point it out. I may not be an editor with many years of experience- but this is the rule about WP:COMPOSER J2009j (talk) 19:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
He also produced a few dozen song so also meets WP:CREATIVE. You can check that in Discography, with all the CDs. I believe you did not check.

You also contradict yourself with this "share-of notability". What do the rules say- "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work."

Same goes to composer, he wrote alone and in team "Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition".

Let's be objective. If you do not like someone's article, it does not mean you should make claims that are clearly false, and contradict Wikipedia rules.

The person wrote a dozen songs that have wikipedia page - and you write "I know, and might one day become notable, but just isn't there yet." But I see editors who decline this draft, accept this one Ryan Trey. That is clearly bias, so I am defending it. I hope all can make objective decisions. Thanks <3 J2009j (talk) 19:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I have now warned J2009j twice for their personal attacks on DoubleGrazing. I hope this behaviour will now cease. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. So let's respect policies and WP:COMPOSER and other rules.⭐️ J2009j (talk) 20:01, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: ignoring their interjection above, they have reached an L3 warning for personal attacks on DoubleGrazing. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 20:10, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Although I suspect a possible WP:COI, WP:UPE, it's normal to fight for the notability of a draft/article. With regards to that, I sense a bit notability in the draft but not enough to meet WP:GNG. For now, he hasn't been covered significantly in multiple reliable sources (interviews aren't part of them). Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 20:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to add the I made a point about WP:COMPOSER, as it meets it. I added multiple reliable sources such as CD with work credits. J2009j (talk) 21:04, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Does not meet any SNGs, ANYBIO, or GNG. The creator has repeatedly tried to convince me that they meet WP:NMUSICIAN #2, #8, #10, #11, etc. They do not. They are listed as a producer on some songs that meet those criteria, but Afsheen is not the musician and it does not really help their notability. There are a few trivial mentions in reliable sources, and a few pieces in random blogs. Not enough to meet GNG or write a verifiable article. To the creator: the amount of review requests you've sent to editors is crazy. More than half your live contributions are talk page review requests about various drafts of yours. You've asked for a review of this draft twice on Timtrent's talk page, three times on SafariScribe's talk page, on Randompersonediting's talk page, on Wikishovel's talk page, on Shenaall's talk page, on Theroadislong's talk page, once on Paper9oll's talk page, on Bsoyka's talk page, on Qcne's talk page, on my talk page, two times at the AfC help desk, and at the Teahouse. This is textbook forum shopping and you've already been warned about this. The only times I've seen editors so concerned about re-reviews and waiting have been when they have had financial stakes in the topic. C F A 💬 21:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I added a category it meets, which you seem to ignore. WP:COMPOSER. I believe it exists on Wikipedia for this specific case. I added multiple reliable sources such as CD with work credits. I did not like it when I saw the editor Safari accepted this article Ryan Trey, while declining mine. This reminded me of some kind of financial stakes. Correct me if I am wrong. I am open to discuss. This article is only based on interviews on random sites, and yet all my question regarding the category of composers I found were ignored by same editors who know each other. I believe it is more than fair for me to express these concerns.
Why there is such a category like WP:COMPOSER on Wikipedia then if main editors just ignore my questions about it?
For the WikiProject, see Wikipedia:Composers.
Composers, songwriters, librettists or lyricists, may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria:
Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition. - "there are over 20 notable composition that even have their own WIKIPEDIA articles." Mentioned on the official CD records, and over 23 sources I added to the article.
J2009j (talk) 22:47, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to you none of these songs are "notable compositions"? Afsheen (musician)#Discography? J2009j (talk) 22:58, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Admin comment I have p-blocked J2009j from this page to allow consensus to form. I have also warned them that if disruption moves elsewhere, the block will be broadened. Star Mississippi 01:40, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Well, the now-blocked editor has asked me to comment; I'm not sure we have notability, but the Latin Grammy nomination would imply MUSIC notability. I've not reviewed the sources to confirm how useful they are however. I'll report back in a bit. Oaktree b (talk) 02:03, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Well, the Latin Grammy website confirms he was nominated. Unfortunately, there aren't enough sources to support notability. This [1] and [2], neither of which are reliable sources per Project Album [3], which I've used to review past musical articles here. Being nominated for a Latin Grammy is an indicator of notability, but we still need sourcing that discusses the subject at hand. I tend to agree that most of the sourcing used now in the article isn't helpful and not in reliable sources. Oaktree b (talk) 02:09, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - What the creator misses is that qualifying under WP:COMPOSER doesn't mean the subject is automatically considered notable, but merely a sign that the subject may be notable. But reliable sources covering this subject beyond credits to verify their existence and contribution are incredibly sparse. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 05:44, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Not able to establish notability, nomination rationale is on point, and other delete voters have said everything. Tehonk (talk) 05:59, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hanieh Akhlaghi

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Fails notability, most things in this page is wrong and fake. she never won a medal at the World Championship (but Military Games) , she also never won gold medal in the Asian Games 2013. she has no important achievement to make her notable. Sports2021 (talk) 20:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I made some corrections to the article. I changed the gold medal in the table from World Championship to World Military Games, the Asian Games weren't held in 2013, and she did appear at the 2015 world championships (but lost in the round of 16). Her gold medal in 2013 was in a youth division, which is not considered to show WP notability. The World Military Games have never been thought to show WP notability in the martial arts--a number of American martial artists who won medals there have had their articles deleted. Some of the women's TKD divisions didn't even have enough competitors to award the 4 medals (gold, silver, 2 bronze) allocated. The other events mentioned are minor ones. Other than results reporting, I don't see sufficient significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG and nothing to show WP:NSPORT or WP:MANOTE is met. Papaursa (talk) 23:37, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and misinformation concern, fails notability.Tehonk (talk) 06:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nominator. Lekkha Moun (talk) 05:04, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ali Alipour (weightlifter)

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fails notability. another article with fake information. this guy won gold medal in Asian "Junior" Championship which is not notable enough. and that part about "first place in the Olympic selection competitions held in Asia" is completely wrong. he didn't achieve anything notable yet. Sports2021 (talk) 20:38, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. fails notability. Tehonk (talk) 06:05, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mohammad Kabiri

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Not seeing how they satisfy WP:NPOL. He only served as a "deputy of cooperative affairs in the Ministry of Cooperation, Labor and Social Welfare". Does not meet WP:GNG at best. Jamiebuba (talk) 15:06, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, the correct title would be Deputy Minister. This is backed up by Farsi sources, that his title was 'معاون وزیر'. Deputy Ministers of national govts are notable, and in this case also member of Steering Council of national govt. --Soman (talk) 11:25, 4 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure this is an NPOL pass - generally, presumed notability would be for cabinet-level posts, but as far as I know deputy ministers in Iran do not serve at cabinet level. Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 00:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Iran Proposed deletions

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Iraq

Preparations for the 2003 invasion of Iraq

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WP:POVFORK of 2003 invasion of Iraq, where this content is already covered (and in a less POV way). Redirect to 2003_invasion_of_Iraq#Preparations_for_war. Longhornsg (talk) 07:43, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. There is indeed a problem but I don't think redirect is a good idea, let alone a solution. This article was created back in 2003 as a very reasonable fork, in my view sensibly. The main article was, as is, far too long. For most of these 21 years there has been no adequate link from the main article to this one and so this spin-off has languished. Material from 2003_invasion_of_Iraq#Preparations_for_war should be moved here leaving behind only a brief summary. This would improve both articles. Thincat (talk) 08:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. I agree with the above suggestion. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Don't think it's a good idea to try to merge or redirect. 2003 invasion of Iraq was put up for Feature Candidacy in 2006, and as mentioned above, was deemed too lengthy and had to be trimmed. This is what was forked off into its own article. — Maile (talk) 23:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Operation Bayonet Lightning

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Also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:

One of many individual articles created 20 years ago in the wake of the Iraq War that would not meet WP:GNG today. Articles cover WP:ROUTINE and non-notable military operations, of which there were tens (if not hundreds) of thousands during the war. None of these are significant like Operation Red Dawn is. Per WP:PAGEDECIDE, any coverage around these operations is in the context of the war and don't warrant a standalone page. Merge selectively into List of coalition military operations of the Iraq War, which provides better context, then redirect. Longhornsg (talk) 07:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge all to List of coalition military operations of the Iraq War. Limited sourcing and individual notability, no need for standalone articles. Reywas92^Talk 13:54, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per above. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tal Afar uprising

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This doesn't seem like a notable event. There are no records cited of casualty figures or combatant numbers. The British commander isn't even noted. Not to mention, this article is written pretty poorly and with a clear nationalist slant. Insanityclown1 (talk) 20:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Did the nominator conduct a WP:BEFORE search? The nominator would benefit from reading WP:NEXIST and WP:DINC. Curbon7 (talk) 20:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I will note that Chapter 8 of British Miscalculations does give some coverage to this rebellion (though they at times write the name as Tal'Afar). The introduction of the same book also comments as follows: The Fall of Tal Afar in June 1920 was the signal for a general uprising of all the tribes in the north. It spread to the middle of the Euphrates, and the position became serious. There are other works I see that describe it as the "Mesopotamian Rebellion of 1920", if that would help with a source search. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. According to Michael Andrew Kappelmann, Parallel Campaigns: The British in Mesopotamia, 1914–1920, and the United States in Iraq, 2003–2004 (2014), p. 53, the "insurgent rising at Tal Afar, a Turkmen village in the northwest Mosul vilayet, was the single deadliest incident since the end of the [first world] war. . . In all, 16 British soldiers, including two officers, were dead." He cites Aylmer Haldane, The Insurrection in Mesopotamia, 1920, and Gertrude Bell, Review of the Civil Administration of Mesopotamia. Srnec (talk) 01:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Israel

Joseph Hodara

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Basically per WP:WEBHOST. This article has been tagged as possibly having been "created or edited in return for undisclosed payments, a violation of Wikipedia's terms of use" for over seven years with no resolution of that tag. Notable or not, Wikipedia should not maintain content that violates its terms of use for such a length of time. BD2412 T 02:52, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Articles can be cleaned up. How does Hodera score under PROF? gidonb (talk) 02:29, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Gidonb: Articles can be cleaned up, but one sitting there with a UPE tag for seven years suggests that it will not be cleaned up. Therefore, the subject's PROF score is irrelevant, because it is better to have a red link that might prompt natural creation of an article rather than indefinitely continuing to host content that violates Wikipedia's TOS. BD2412 T 03:42, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm happy to clean the article up if the PROF score justifies it. Patiently waiting for the answer to my question. Rest assured that I had read the intro and had taken it into full account before writing my comment. gidonb (talk) 04:20, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I didn't find any evidence of heavily cited works that could pass WP:PROF#C1, and although the article lists many books I found only two reviews of one of them [4] [5], not enough for WP:AUTHOR. The article lists nothing else that suggests notability. So although there is visible evidence of UPE in the form of the block log of the article creator rather than (as so often) merely the unsubstantiated opinion of the nominator, I think we can delete on the basis of notability alone without considering the UPE. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:06, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Israeli pita

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This topic doesn't seem to be independently notable. The claim that this food item is different from Pita is sourced to blogs and an opinion piece in The Forward discussing minor differences, which could be easily dealt with in a sentence or two at Pita. The best sources, such as The New Yorker, don't even mention "Israeli" pita. Valereee (talk) 21:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I agree with the basic assertion that there appears to be a lack of high-quality sources identifying an "Israeli pita" distinct from other varieties. I mulled over whether deletion or redirect/merge to Pita would be more appropriate, but at this time I'm leaning towards deletion due to the balance of sources and the lack of any other precedent for Lebanese pita, Jordanian pita, Egyptian pita, Greek pita, etc. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 21:12, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge I actually just read this article the other day when I was looking for a recipe for Israeli pita. It's fluffier than other varieties (or at least it's supposed to be, mine didn't turn out well, just thick), but not a distinct enough concept that requires a standalone article. Reywas92^Talk 14:38, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What source are you getting the it's fluffier than other varieties from? _signed,Rosguill ^talk 15:33, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've eaten it. In Israel and the US. No, I did not check the existing sources' exact vocabulary but the article's description of "softer, thicker and doughier than other flatbreads" and "soft, fluffy, texture" are accurate – yes it is in fact a different recipe and style, one that's worth covering in the main article, perhaps with additional sources (such as [6] and [7]) and beyond a sentence. Also, there is an Iraqi pita article. Reywas92^Talk 00:02, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a sentence can be added to the main article. As Reywas92 has said, not a distinct enough for a standalone article. Bruxton (talk) 03:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yehuda Glantz

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No indication this meets WP:NMUSICIAN or WP:BASIC. Can only find trivial mentions. C F A 💬 01:00, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of Israeli Ashkenazi Jews

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I believe this page should be deleted due to no encyclopedic value and numerous WP:BLP and Original Research violations that make rescuing this page impossible. Whizkin (talk) 05:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Further arguments:

Overly Broad and Non Educational: Approximately 40% of Israel's population could be included in this list, making it excessively broad (by the way, note that in modern times many people are second or third generation mixed Ashkenazi/Mizrahi origins which further increases the percentage of people that can be included). Israeli Jews can be much better classified by specific country of origin (and indeed we have such categories). Furthermore broadly categorizing random, secular individuals based on their supposed ethnic origin reduces people's identities to simplistic binary labels that offer no value. For example, the fact that Gilad Shalit is Ashkenazi is completely meaningless.
Vague classification: Jewish identities, particularly in Israel, do not always fit neatly into categories like Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, or Sephardi. These labels are tied to religious traditions that go back hundreds of years and do not necessarily correspond to specific countries of origin. For example, a person of Georgian Jewish descent could be either Ashkenazi or non-Ashkenazi, not to mention the many people that have a mixed heritage.
Inaccurate and Original Research : The vast majority of non-observant Jews on this list do not have reliable sources confirming their classification as Ashkenazi. For many individuals, there is no direct citation that verifies their inclusion in this category. Attempting to infer whether a person is Ashkenazi based on their last name, or even their parent's country of origin constitutes original research. Not to mention that many of the inferences are plain wrong, such as in the cases of Mili Avital and Zefania Carmel. This is also a major BLP violation which alone should result in deleting most of the people on the list.
Offensive and Bordering on Racist: Classifying individuals, particularly secular Jews, and Jews of mixed heritage, as Ashkenazi or Mizrahi/Sephardi without their self-identification can be seen as offensive. The page risks causing harm by labeling people in ways that they may not identify with.

For these reasons, this page is harmful, does not serve a meaningful purpose and should be deleted. Whizkin (talk) 05:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The main point for me is that this list is so overly broad as to be pointless, covering nearly 40% of the Israeli population. Number 5 7 13:31, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom. Alaexis_¿question? 21:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. While some of the arguments above could be a bit over the top, Ashkenazi is a vague or broad brush descent, making the list not very encyclopedic. As the once and maybe still dominant minority there is also little interest in this group. People "intermarry", but not really as all feel Israeli and Jews, many generations were born in Israel, the descents fade to disappear. Especially this particular grouped one. Supporting the recommendation to delete. gidonb (talk) 19:49, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and add List of Israeli Mizrahi and Sephardi Jews to AfD for identical reasons. DGtal (talk) 13:12, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 2015 Qalamoun incident

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Redirect to Qalamoun offensive (May–June 2015), where it makes more sense and already covered in more context. This incident fails WP:LASTING on its own. One of thousands of routine military operations during the Syrian Civil War. Longhornsg (talk) 02:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per nom. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as suggested, per ATD and CHEAP. I double checked that this is fairly covered at the target and that no merge is needed. gidonb (talk) 12:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect As per nom, this fails WP:LASTING. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as is reasonable. Bearian (talk) 05:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

NRG360

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Merge into Makor Rishon. Brief article on a once popular website that disappeared into Makor Rishon. Best merged into Makor Rishon at Enwiki as well. Using AfD in order to keep the cleanup of the Israeli news websites together. Please take a moment also to express your opinion at the other AfDs in this series! gidonb (talk) 21:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nana 10

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Nana 10 was quite popular and is perhaps worthy of an article, however the article is ridiculously short. Nana 10 was an activity of Channel 10 (Israel), where it is properly mentioned however ALL DETAILS ARE MISSING at Channel 10 (Israel). As a totally IMPROPER SPINOUT it should be merged into Channel 10. There is another procedure for mergers yet currently cleaning up Israeli websites and keeping the debates together. gidonb (talk) 19:56, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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HaKol HaYehudi

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Unremarkable operation that fails NCORP. The raid on their facilities deserves some mention and is in fact is mentioned at Yitzhar#2011. Not linked back, hence the article is an unmarked orphan. Both the Enwiki and Hewiki articles are refbombed with news items on the website. Should be redirected to Yitzhar#2011 or deleted. gidonb (talk) 19:31, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jordan

Lo'ay Omran

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Article fails WP:GNG. Simione001 (talk) 03:04, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yazeed Al Rashed Al Khuzai

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Doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR. An author with non notable literary works. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 18:51, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Kuwait

Nasser Abul

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He is not notable at all; it's only his trial that sparked controversy around him. فيصل (talk) 07:44, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ibrahim Hendal

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I don't see that he meets the notability policy; the sources are scarce. فيصل (talk) 07:28, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Nothing concrete to establish notablility, fails GNG -- Robertjamal12 ~🔔 09:39, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Tallaal Adrey

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I don't think the person meets the notability policy; only news about his trial. Nothing else.-- فيصل (talk) 16:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Fails WP:PERP. LibStar (talk) 23:21, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hani Al-Mazeedi

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I don't see that the person meets the notability criteria; I couldn't find reliable sources that talk about him.-- فيصل (talk) 16:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ali Roz

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I couldn't find any source that talks about him at all. فيصل (talk) 14:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, non-notable journalist. Like the nominator, I cannot find any significant coverage of this person. Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Schazjmd (talk) 14:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no indication of notability. --Karim talk to me :)..! 16:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Folk singer pops up in my searches, which isn't this person [8]. Article is currently unsourced, coud even be a hoax at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 16:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Project Kuwait

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I don't see that the article meets the notability policy; it's just a plan and has not been implemented in reality.-- فيصل (talk) 14:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Petroleum industry in Kuwait, which was partially sourced with a link to the Central Intelligence Agency. Written the same year as this one, it's much more clear and concise about the subject matter. — Maile (talk) 18:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lebanon

Ali Roz

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I couldn't find any source that talks about him at all. فيصل (talk) 14:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, non-notable journalist. Like the nominator, I cannot find any significant coverage of this person. Doesn't meet WP:GNG. Schazjmd (talk) 14:25, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no indication of notability. --Karim talk to me :)..! 16:18, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Folk singer pops up in my searches, which isn't this person [9]. Article is currently unsourced, coud even be a hoax at this point. Oaktree b (talk) 16:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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April 2023 Israel rocket attacks (via WP:PROD on 12 September 2003)

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Palestine

2024 Gaza Strip polio epidemic

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Basically a WP:REDUNDANTFORK of Gaza humanitarian crisis.

More importantly, off all the given sources, only a single one (The National) uses the term "epidemic" in its own voice, with 2 more quoting the Gaza Health Ministry's declaration of an epidemic. RS hasn't been using the term epidemic (probably because as of now there haven't been any confirmed cases yet. There are strong fears of a coming epidemic, and polio has been found in the sewage, but thankfully no infections). At the very least the article needs to be considerably shortened, and name changed to "Polio discoveries" or something. Violates Crystal Ball. It's also not being (significantly) covered by RS on its own, but rather as part of the broader crisis. Hydromania (talk) 03:44, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Gaza humanitarian crisis - Wouldn't be opposed to recreating the article later if more sources begin to call the Polio issue an epidemic, but a redirect would suffice for right now. Jdcomix (talk) 13:33, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Redirecting the current title if the term "epidemic" is not being used by multiple reliable sources would violate WP:NDESC. Dclemens1971 (talk) 15:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Gaza humanitarian crisis. My first impression is that we should probably redirect. Now to read with care... Yeah, merge with Gaza humanitarian crisis. Darkfrog24 (talk) 21:24, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Move or merge. There are plenty of reliable sources with significant coverage, so deleting it isn’t warranted. If kept, a move or rename to 2024 Gaza Strip polio outbreak or the like would be appropriate. I don’t oppose the merger, however the main article could get filled with a lot of more important and less important trivia; see what happened at one time to Palestinian law. Bearian (talk)

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keep - and expand. Could be broadened to "infectious diseases outbreaks" instead of just polio, but it warrants its own coverage separate from starvation and other issues. FourPi (talk) 12:08, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep per https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/8/16/israel-war-on-gaza-live-children-killed-in-israeli-attack-on-jabalia-camp, https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/16/un-chief-calls-for-polio-pause-in-gaza-war-to-tackle-virus and FourPi. Pachu Kannan (talk) 02:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That Al Jazeera article does not use the term "Polio Epidemic" in its own voice. Hydromania (talk) 06:24, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Gaza humanitarian crisis is a redirect (it should appear as a green link) so it won't be possible to redirect or merge to it. So you might want to look at ITS target article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:00, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - and rename article without using the term 'epidemic', as there is no metric that describes a cluster of three cases as an epidemic. My preference is to use the term 'cases' or 'outbreak' as per Bearian's reasoning and suggestion on 16 August 2024 immediately before AfD was relisted. AllPurposeScientist^blah 11:01, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- I should add that I generally agree with the original reasoning 2 weeks ago, but the situation appears to be more clearly defined now. AllPurposeScientist^blah 11:05, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Black Liberation and Palestine Solidarity

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No sigcov anywhere, no reviews, I found it cited a few places but no commentary. Redirect to author Lenni Brenner? PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:53, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Black-Palestinian solidarity. I haven't found sigcov of this volume either. I don't think a redirect is appropriate in this case, since this is a reasonable search term for the broad topic, which is notable. Our article on it is at Black-Palestinian solidarity, and this title should redirect there instead of to Lenni Brenner. -- asilvering (talk) 01:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:07, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I originally made this as a delete vote, but I'm changing it to redirect since I don't see any good reason to delete the history. -- asilvering (talk) 02:40, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per Asilvering: Found nothing other than the mentioned cites on ProQuest. Nil elsewhere online as well. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 13:23, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Should not redirect and instead Delete.~~ Cant find useful reviews either. ~~The redirect target is to a broader topic and this is a book.~~ Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bluethricecreamman The content of what used to be the redirect don't matter, it's the name, and there really isn't any pressing need to delete the page history PARAKANYAA (talk) 01:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OHH. for some reason read it as "merge" i guess and didnt realize. Whoops.

Redirect! Bluethricecreamman (talk) 01:27, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bluethricecreamman, @Red-tailed hawk below has given a different redirect target than I did, so you should probably specify which you prefer. -- asilvering (talk) 20:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

For what it's worth, my reasoning for pointing it at the author is WP:DIFFCAPS, since the redirect would be title case. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 01:16, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no Wp:RS, not a likely search term. Bearian (talk) 00:18, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Lenni Brenner#Bibliography, where the work is mentioned on its author's biographical entry. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 17:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I oppose deletion, and of the redirect targets I am marginally in favor of Lenni Brenner#Bibliography, but the more general topic would be fine too. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for weighing in, PARAKANYAA. Although I guess you stated your preference in your nomination statement.Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:35, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To be fair, my rationale was given before an alternative was proposed, and my response was ambiguous as to whether I would prefer that or not. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:38, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Saghir Akhtar

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I believe he does not meet the notability policy for academics.-- فيصل (talk) 07:53, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Abdullah Al-Marri

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I can't find any evidence of a WP:GNG pass for the footballer of this name. The best that I can find is a press release from his club, which is neither significant nor independent of the subject. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:29, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I am unable to find anything approaching WP:SIGCOV. JTtheOG (talk) 06:03, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, fails WP:GNG. Ednabrenze (talk) 15:43, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:55, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Saudi Arabia

AfD debates

World Defense Show

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The exhibition fails to meet WP:EVENT. Lacks WP:CONTINUEDCOVERAGE and WP:DIVERSE. Arguably WP:TOOSOON. TCBT1CSI (talk) 07:30, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wadha bint Muhammad Al Orair

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Redirect to Descendants of Ibn Saud where the article subject is already covered. Fails WP:NOTINHERITED. Non-notable member of the Saudi royal family and coverage is either WP:ROUTINE engagements or in relation to her family lineage, not WP:SIGCOV on her as a notable individual. Longhornsg (talk) 17:57, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Latifa bint Abdulaziz Al Saud

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Fails WP:NOTINHERITED. Notability, and thus coverage of her, is due to her relation to notable members of the Saudi royal family or her family lineage. She's not notable as the daughter of a King of Saudi Arabia. Longhornsg (talk) 17:53, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I'm not finding anything suggesting that she's of note in her own right. The article itself practically asks us to reach this conclusion as, except for the very last sentence, it's no more than an enumeration of who she's related to. The only thing it says about her in her own right as that she donates to universities. Largoplazo (talk) 23:37, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Descendants_of_Ibn_Saud#Hussa Al Sudairi where she gets a mention and is in the only context for which she is notable. I would have said "Merge" if there had been anything useful, like her dates, to add to that list entry. PamD 08:13, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per non. 223.204.71.128 (talk) 00:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nominater. Azarctic (talk) 23:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Al Ghardaqa

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Total WP:SYNTH/WP:OR - unverifiable (book ISBNs all fail lookup, as do the cited DOIs). Sent to draft, returned by author unchanged other than to remove many of the suspect ISBNs. BTW the book titles themselves fail book search - give the first cited source, "Genealogies of Eastern Arabia: Tracing the Lineages" a try... WP:NOTGENEALOGY very much applies but even if it didn't, this content is dubious and misleading (but also irrelevant) at best. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as above. DrKay (talk) 11:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Syria

2020 Deir ez-Zor ambush

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Redirect to Timeline_of_the_Syrian_civil_war_(2020)#December, where this event is already included and covered better contextually. Unfortunately WP:ROUTINE military operation as part of the Syrian Civil War that is not WP:LASTING. Longhornsg (talk) 03:28, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per nom. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:11, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

April 2015 Qalamoun incident

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Redirect to Qalamoun offensive (May–June 2015), where it makes more sense and already covered in more context. This incident fails WP:LASTING on its own. One of thousands of routine military operations during the Syrian Civil War. Longhornsg (talk) 02:39, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect per nom. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect as suggested, per ATD and CHEAP. I double checked that this is fairly covered at the target and that no merge is needed. gidonb (talk) 12:19, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect As per nom, this fails WP:LASTING. Gödel2200 (talk) 12:59, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect as is reasonable. Bearian (talk) 05:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hares Youssef

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BLP which relies mainly on self-published sources for a range of self-promo claims. Many of the sources were duplicates (to increase the apparent numbers perhaps). No proof of anything. Given his mention in the FinCen files I have major reservations about the accuracy of anything here. Not verifiable, no independent notability coverage so delete or merge into contentious pages such as Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory. Ldm1954 (talk) 22:32, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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This page is a dynamic biography of a living person, with a consistent history of edits that accurately reflect real-life events and achievements, all of which are directly supported by a diverse array of reference sources.

The claim to delete the page based on "no proof of anything," along with references to conspiracy theories and paid black PR articles from the 2020 U.S. Presidential election period, only serve to weaken the deletion request and undermine the credibility and objectivity of the editor.

Any potential mistakes or inconsistencies are subject to correction through evidence-based arguments and will be addressed immediately upon identification. The duplicate sources are being removed.

I strongly object to the deletion of this page. Ensuring absolute absence of manipulative and self-promotional behaviour and willingness to gather additional reliable sources, while respecting Wikipedia's Guidelines, maintaining complete transparency and engagement in constructive criticism and further mediation. Robert-Rami Youssef (talk) 11:17, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please note the guidelines on single purpose accounts and conflict of interest. Ldm1954 (talk) 12:06, 14 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Turkey

Galatasaray S.K. (Superleague Formula team)

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Unnecessary WP:CFORK of teams that never was independently notable and existed solely to the short-lived series, serving to only the most ardent fans per WP:FANCRUFT as a Wikiproject taskforce was active for it. Worthy of Fandom maybe (nothing wrong with it for those who ask) but then the series has been long gone 13 years ago. WP:BEFORE search don’t turn out much other than announcements, if they still exist. Other than routine maintenances, article do not appear to be updated after 2010, indicating it's significance are pretty thin.

Also fail WP:SIGCOV as sources are non-existent. Like the series, nothing about it is notable either other than the team operating it. Insufficiently notable WP:GNG to help either. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:35, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I believe that all of the SF team pages should remain, as a usual summary of the performances, regardless that the series lasted only 3-4 years. Are you suggesting that all of the A1 Grand Prix country team pages are also not notable? Officially Mr X (talk) 01:14, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mehmet Saçaklioğlu

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. Nothing approaching even 1 GNG source. 4 of the sources are just covering the same 1 item (continuing to invest in Ukraine). North8000 (talk) 14:26, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, his company was deleted, I can't find anything to establish notability for him as well. Tehonk (talk) 05:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bianet

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I cannot find enough reliable sources to establish organization’s notability. Dirubii Olchoglu (talk) 11:29, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: References given in the article are sufficient. Bianet is a well-recognized news outlet in Turkey. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 15:01, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The deletion proposal is obviously a bad faith attempt, probably politically motivated: his/her proponent is Turkish and knows very well that Bianet is one of the very few reliable independent and critical media in Turkey, e.g. on the topics of minorities (ethnic, religious, LGBT). Every 'contribution' of Dirubii Olchoglu on Wikipedia should be reviewed. --Minorities observer (talk) 09:29, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Their other contributions seem fine - Wikipedia:Assume good faith Chidgk1 (talk) 09:37, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I have added more sources Chidgk1 (talk) 14:21, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: nothing more to say than "Bianet is one of the very few reliable independent and critical media in Turkey" Tehonk (talk) 05:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep and improve. I was able to open the Reuters and rfs.org link, which seem to demonstrate notability. The Al Jazeera link is not working, which by the title may include discussion of the subject to also demonstrate notability. For other topics, I might have moved for a weak delete of the article. However the comments above lead me to believe the subject is notable and old/archived copies of online sources may be found as additional proof. Prof.PMarini (talk) 02:07, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately as far as I know it had not been archived so I removed the dead Al jazeera link and archived the rest. Also cited The Guardian Chidgk1 (talk) 09:34, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Eser (company)

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I cannot help it with finding better sources. Looks like not notable company and not sufficient reliable media. Dirubii Olchoglu (talk) 11:08, 15 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Beykoz Arena

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No indication this stadium proposed more than 10 years ago was ever built. Google search returns a place of the same name which hosts pigeon racing. The club which supposedly will have a home at this stadium plays elsewhere, and according to their page here, have only played amateur competitions since 2011. C 679 04:47, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete There is Beykoz Stadyumu (stadium) with a 3k capacity, [10], however Arena? Besides, this is way below the threshold, delete per nom. Govvy (talk) 10:23, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/redirect to Beykoz S.K.D.. Giant Snowman 14:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Samsun clashes (1920)

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Article doesn't seem notable, sources are not reliable or verifiable. Insanityclown1 (talk) 20:28, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment tr:Samsun is featured but as far as I can tell does not mention this - I have linked this discussion on that article talk page in the hope someone knows better than me. Also if the clashes with British were significant I guess one of you military experts can find an English language source Chidgk1 (talk) 06:39, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've searched and have not found anything. Insanityclown1 (talk) 15:17, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They have replied by pointing me to tr:Samsun_tarihi#Millî_Mücadele_sırasında but I am not competant to say which of the cites in that are reliable Chidgk1 (talk) 08:52, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tal Afar uprising

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This doesn't seem like a notable event. There are no records cited of casualty figures or combatant numbers. The British commander isn't even noted. Not to mention, this article is written pretty poorly and with a clear nationalist slant. Insanityclown1 (talk) 20:33, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Did the nominator conduct a WP:BEFORE search? The nominator would benefit from reading WP:NEXIST and WP:DINC. Curbon7 (talk) 20:42, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I will note that Chapter 8 of British Miscalculations does give some coverage to this rebellion (though they at times write the name as Tal'Afar). The introduction of the same book also comments as follows: The Fall of Tal Afar in June 1920 was the signal for a general uprising of all the tribes in the north. It spread to the middle of the Euphrates, and the position became serious. There are other works I see that describe it as the "Mesopotamian Rebellion of 1920", if that would help with a source search. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 18:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. According to Michael Andrew Kappelmann, Parallel Campaigns: The British in Mesopotamia, 1914–1920, and the United States in Iraq, 2003–2004 (2014), p. 53, the "insurgent rising at Tal Afar, a Turkmen village in the northwest Mosul vilayet, was the single deadliest incident since the end of the [first world] war. . . In all, 16 British soldiers, including two officers, were dead." He cites Aylmer Haldane, The Insurrection in Mesopotamia, 1920, and Gertrude Bell, Review of the Civil Administration of Mesopotamia. Srnec (talk) 01:46, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Monaco–Turkey relations

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Declined prod, 2 of the 3 sources are primary. Not subject to significant third party coverage to meet GNG. LibStar (talk) 23:26, 5 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Does not seem to be notable Chidgk1 (talk) 06:16, 7 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article contains enough substantive information that it serves an encyclopedic purpose even if it doesn’t quick-pass GNG through the Google test.

Furthermore, while I wouldn’t be opposed in principle to a merge into Foreign relations of Monaco, that article is currently a bit lean and unless someone volunteers to merge everything useful in the most of the Monaco–XYZ relations articles, I fail to see how it would be practical or helpful.

RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 11:30, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide actual third party sources that meets GNG? LibStar (talk) 11:45, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Yilloslime (talk) 16:29, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - it does appear notable enough for me. I agree with RadioactiveBoulevardier that its purpose is justifiable and it provides just enough information.

Brat Forelli🦊 22:33, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide actual third party sources that demonstrate GNG is met, because I could not find any. LibStar (talk) 04:32, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean by "its purpose is justifiable", how does this article meet notability guidelines? LibStar (talk) 01:09, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Should never have been prodded. Prod is only for trivial cases. This is not trivial! gidonb (talk) 00:34, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Space Launch System (Turkey)

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Not notable enough to have its own article. No objection if anyone merges it into Space program of Turkey as an alternative to deletion Chidgk1 (talk) 19:27, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep: Seems to meet GNG, various independent sources Lordseriouspig 20:13, 2 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Lordseriouspig: I don’t know Defense News. Hürriyet Daily News may well be reliable but you think Sabah (newspaper) is reliable? As Daily Sabah is listed as unreliable it seems unlikely. Chidgk1 (talk) 06:06, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Space program of Turkey, maybe merge in whatever cited portions are still notable. The article as-is is severely out of date, and I'm not even sure the title is appropriate — I cannot find any current sources referring to a "Turkish Space Launch System" or "Space Launch System of Turkey" (almost all query results there are Wiki clones). Recent work appears to be on a sounding rocket/micro-satellite launcher called "Mikro Uydu Fırlatma Sistemi / Micro Satellite Launching System", but I'm not sure there is enough English-language coverage to warrant splitting it into a separate article. Forum thread. – The Fiddly Leprechaun · Catch Me! 18:19, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fenercell

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Notability is not found; there are also no reliable sources Dirubii Olchoglu (talk) 08:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Is only a redirect in the Turkish Wikipedia. Geschichte (talk) 12:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Fenerbahçe S.K. as per WP:ATD, sourcing fails GNG/WP:NCORP. HighKing⁺⁺ 10:58, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Only the first 2 sentences are about Fenercell; the remainder is about Avea (now part of Türk Telekom) and a broad discussion about mobile networks in Türkiye. In that state, it would have been better titled as Avea. Or reduced to a 2 sentence stub on Fenercell, which would sit with the redirect on the tr.wiki article. Regarding the "Fenercell" branding, that uses other providers such as A1 Telekom Austria Group elsewhere [11]. AllyD (talk) 13:36, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge with Fenerbahçe S.K. since its standalone notability is unclear per WP:GNG. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 19:06, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If a merge was to be done, looking at the target article, I think it would best be accomplished by (a) retitling the Fenerbahçe_S.K.#Fenerium section to Licensing and marketing, then (b) appending a short text along the lines of "Fenercell is a mobile network brand operated in conjunction with telephony providers.", but this would need to be supported by a reliable reference independent of the club and its partner providers. AllyD (talk) 09:58, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete or redirect: No evidence found to demonstrate that this particular fans' brand is notable. As I said above, the article text has very little about Fenercell so I don't see much to preserve under an ATD redirect and would prefer robust sourcing if text was to be added to the Fenerbahçe article but a redirect is an option. AllyD (talk) 06:12, 20 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Promotional BLP of a crypto entrepreneur fails WP:GNG, WP:NBIO due to lack of WP:SIGCOV in independent, reliable, secondary sources. Sources in article are primary or WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS; WP:BEFORE search turns up nothing more to establish notability. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC) Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:48, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Crypto PR items and business funding round announcements are all I find, for sourcing. What's used now isn't helpful, mostly primary or non-RS. Delete for lack of sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 16:52, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The few sources I could find aren't independent of the subject. 0xchase (talk) 18:26, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Al Ain (Superleague Formula team)

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Unnecessary WP:CFORK of teams that never was independently notable and existed solely to the short-lived series, serving to only the most ardent fans per WP:FANCRUFT as a Wikiproject taskforce was active for it. Worthy of Fandom maybe (nothing wrong with it for those who ask) but then the series has been long gone 13 years ago. WP:BEFORE search don’t turn out much other than announcements, if they still exist. Other than routine maintenances, article do not appear to be updated after 2010, indicating it's significance are pretty thin.

Also fail WP:SIGCOV as sources, are non-existent. Like the series, nothing about it is notable either other than the team operating it. Insufficiently notable WP:GNG to help either. SpacedFarmer (talk) 08:32, 16 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I believe that all of the SF team pages should remain, as a usual summary of the performances, regardless that the series lasted only 3-4 years. Are you suggesting that all of the A1 Grand Prix country team pages are also not notable? Officially Mr X (talk) 01:13, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

JSS Private School

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This is WP:ADMASQ. My BEFORE search only revealed primary sources and passing mentions. Fails WP:V, and fails WP:NSCHOOL. This is a WP:GNG failure 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 14:55, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as nommed, purely promotional with no sign of notability. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 17:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Al Ghardaqa

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Total WP:SYNTH/WP:OR - unverifiable (book ISBNs all fail lookup, as do the cited DOIs). Sent to draft, returned by author unchanged other than to remove many of the suspect ISBNs. BTW the book titles themselves fail book search - give the first cited source, "Genealogies of Eastern Arabia: Tracing the Lineages" a try... WP:NOTGENEALOGY very much applies but even if it didn't, this content is dubious and misleading (but also irrelevant) at best. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:41, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as above. DrKay (talk) 11:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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