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Correcting Subject Names

How do I fix an incorrectly spelled subject name? The wikipedia article "Era of Good Feelings" should be named "Era of Good Feeling". How do I drop the "S"?

Here's the link:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Era_of_Good_Feelings Lord Milner (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC) Lord Milner (talk) 12:49, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Hi Lord Milner. Technically, the page would need to be WP:MOVEd to the new title, but in this case it might be best to be WP:CAUTIOUS and propose the title change at Talk:Era of Good Feelings to see what other might think. There reason why I'm suggesting this is that a quick Google search shows the period being referred to in both ways by various publications and websites. Encyclopedia Britannica even states as much here; so, instead of moving the page, adding something about the different ways of referring to the period to the MOS:LEAD of the article might be all that's really needed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

You don't drop it, Lord Milner. Instead, you go to Talk:Era of Good Feelings and there write out your proposal for a title change. Note that the talk page shows that others have already proposed the same change. However, their proposals seem to have less reasoning and evidence, more indignation. Try to be persuasive. Get agreement. If you succeed, then retitling ("moving") the article will be easy. -- Hoary (talk) 13:22, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Obviously, I'm from the United States, and there is no discussion about this. We are all taught the same. The word "Feeling" in this sense, is plural. The connotation of "Feelings" suggests something different, something amateurish. "The Era of Good Feeling" is both academically and linguistically correct. So, two changes need to be made: one to add the word "The", and a second to delete the letter "s".— Preceding unsigned comment added by Lord Milner (talk • contribs) 19:54, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

@Lord Milner: On the omission of the in the article title, see WP:THE. Deor (talk) 21:16, 30 March 2022 (UTC)

I'm from the United States, too, and I see no problem with the title "Era of Good Feelings". --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:08, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

How long have you lived here, and where did you get your education? We have many contributors here, and many of them are foreign, and they do not know about this part of American History. I did a search on 'Internet Archive', and I came up with 70 different texts that support me. Link: https://archive.org/search.php?query=The%20Era%20of%20Good%20Feeling Lord Milner (talk) 20:13, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is a collaboration. Please consider using Third Opinion, Request for Comment to build a consensus. If you like American history, just think of Wikipedia as an upstart colonial government attempting democracy through discussion and consensus. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:32, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

All my life. Which is probably longer than yours. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:06, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lord Milner, we are not "all taught the same" in the US. I have never heard of this, and I have always lived here, and I went to US public schools. Does "there is no discussion" mean that "everyone (in the US) knows this"? Not true... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:32, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Here's a few sources using the "s" form: https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Era_of_Good_Feelings/yCByAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&dq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&printsec=frontcover , https://www.google.com/books/edition/James_Monroe/sVbDDgAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&printsec=frontcover and https://www.google.com/books/edition/The_Era_of_Good_Feelings_and_the_Age_of/657fAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&dq=%22Era+of+Good+Feelings%22&printsec=frontcover --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 12:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

In this context, I believe that "Feeling" is what is known as an "uncountable noun," meaning the singular form of the word serves as a plural. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 23:18, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

But it is referring to the feelings of multiple people, so that makes it countable. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 01:43, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes. I do not believe this is how it works. The term "uncountable" refers not to whether we are focused on a singular item or a multitude of items, but whether or not there are simply more than one item, and that these items, on the onset, have not been counted. It does not imply that the number of items can never be counted. An example, the word you use above "people" refers to more than one person, but this group of people have yet to be counted, and even if it would conceivably be possible to count these people, we are referring to an unknown number of persons - thus they, in this sense, are "uncountable." I know it seems weird, but I believe this is the perspective on that term "uncountable." 69.112.128.218 (talk) 15:42, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

You're still not quite getting my point. During this era there were good feelings from many different people from about many different things. Thus, (whether looking at people or issues) there were multiple good feelings. One could also describe this in the singular as a time of general good feeling, but the plural usage that Lord Milner is objecting to is most definitely not wrong. According to the article, the plural usage was the original. Even if that is in error, there are plenty of other sources that use the plural. --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 16:09, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

My point wasn't to do with the context of the webpage, it was me just trying to explain a pedantic point about the grammar of one word versus another word. It has nothing to do with whether Wikipedia has the word "feeling" or "feelings" in the title of the web page. If, as you state here, that the original usage of the reference uses the word "feelings" with an 's', that should be that, in my opinion. I can agree with that. When you say that there are other sources that use that same designation, it only implies that the remaining sources do not, and I do not see that as helping the situation. But in any case, I see your point, and I do not see any way to disagree with that point. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 16:31, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I find it ironic that we cannot agree on this. American History was taught to us in the 4th Grade. Lord Milner (talk) 06:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lord Milner, yes, American History was taught all throughout my school years here. I just never heard of that era, using those words. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:00, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

Cannot resist this, but that era was especially famous for having been the only time in US history (post George Washington) in which a president was unanimously elected. Only one candidate, if I remember correctly. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 16:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

No problem. Lord Milner (talk) 03:32, 7 April 2022 (UTC)

Asking about Lye like what is use in concrete

I have a house that is built in clay or Gumbo and it is wet under the house and the piers are sinking into the mud. Can I use lye to dry it out with out doing damage? 38.108.56.34 (talk) 15:57, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP, I do apologize but this is a place where editors can ask questions about the encyclopedia. Wikipedia is an online free encyclopedia about notable subjects found in reliable independent sources. I am sure there are self-help websites out there that can field your question. I do apologize for not being able to assist you but this isn't the right place. Good luck! --ARoseWolf 16:06, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Check out the Wikipedia:Reference desk! casualdejekyll 17:04, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I want at my biography at my wikipedia account, i am new here please help out

How can i add articles to my wikipedia acount please — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hussaini Muhammad Jangeru (talk • contribs) 13:12, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Hussaini Muhammad Jangeru: Welcome to the Teahouse! Please see why an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, and reconsider whether you want to create an autobiography like that. In addition, note that article creation is incredibly difficult to start off with. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 13:20, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello Hussaini Muhammad Jangeru and welcome to Wikipedia! I suggest you read a few of our policies and guidelines first, then move on to help about writing articles. Please don't attempt to draft an autobiography: you'll find it very difficult to do so for the reasons explained at that link. Try to improve the encyclopaedia in other ways, building up your experience. The WP:ADVENTURE is a great place to start. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:22, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

As an aside, despite the section title being "I want at my biography at my wikipedia account..." - the actual question asked is "How can i add articles to my wikipedia acount please" - if you possibly mean creating your watchlist, then you will see along the tabs for the viewed article there is a list of terms. This may differ depending on whether you have tools installed, such as Twinkle, but you may see "Article", "talk", "edit", "history", "move" and "watch". Click on "watch" and this will add the article (and talk page) to your ever-increasing watchlist. "Watch" is a toggle, and once you've clicked it, you'll see it change to "Unwatch". From there on, in the top right of the screen you'll see a hyperlink called "watchlist". Click that, and there you are. Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:55, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I think you'll find that it's prohibited from participating in a Wikipedia page that contains yourself or that is focused on yourself. That is a strange but true rule. 69.112.128.218 (talk) 16:41, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Not quite. Keep in mind that WIkipedia doesn't have hard-and-fast rules; we have policies and guidelines that represent the consensus of the community. Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia:Conflict of interest are actually guidelines, and neither of them prohibits editing like this, they only strongly discourage it. Bsoyka (talk) 17:41, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

1914 United States House of Representatives elections

I have a question. I was editing the article above, but almost all the other infoboxes got absorbed into the Arkansas infobox and I'm not sure how it happened and how to fix it, since when I was using the visual editor, everything seemed fine and normal, and what I was doing had worked many times before.

1914 United States House of Representatives elections in Arkansas

Please click on the link so you can see the problem. Do you know how to fix it, and if so, can you?

Thanks,

A frazzled editor PoliticallyPassionateGamer (talk) 17:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@PoliticallyPassionateGamer: I checked the page history and I think your problem was the absence of a final curly bracket at the end of the table. I added one, so it should look better now. I'm not very experienced with tables, especially in the visual editor, but someone else may be able to explain what happened better than I can. Perfect4th (talk) 18:47, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much! It works perfectly now. I must not have noticed, and I made a prior error beforehand lol. :) PoliticallyPassionateGamer (talk) 18:53, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Blackface photo on Wikipedia entry

I am not an editor. I am hoping that someone else can fix this issue. In the entry for a wassail bowl en.Wikipedia.org/wiki/wassail Wassail a photo example has been included of a man in blackface. Surely it is not necessary to include this culturally offensive image to demonstrate a bowl? I’m hoping someone can remove this image, either entirely or to replace it with one that does not stir up ill feelings. Thank you. 2005sfuta (talk) 03:10, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

I don’t think that is blackface. Thriley (talk) 03:15, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Looks like there is some debate on this subject: [1]. Would be an interesting article. Thriley (talk) 03:18, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

and there is one! Blackface and Morris dancing. Thriley (talk) 03:23, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

The role of ‘Butler’ is done with a blackened face, a traditional way to transform the person assuming the role. A long tradition that has nothing to do with race. ... perhaps a note in the photo about this.Moxy- 03:25, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Blackface and Morris dancing allows that the origins clearly have to do with race, and are nowadays considered offensive. Surely there are photos of a Wassail "Butler" not in blackface that would be a better choice for this article. David notMD (talk) 10:26, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

If a "Wassail butler" role is traditionally done in blackface, we should not remove a representative image. If not, then it should be removed as gratuitous. In any case, that is probably something to source (Thriley’s independent piece is a start), and discuss in the article. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 11:06, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

A Google search on "Wassail Butler" found people in blackface and not. David notMD (talk) 20:40, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Update to New edition of the Terminologia Anatomica (TA2-2019)

Good evening gentlemen/miladies,

The terminologia anatomica has been re-edited in 2019 and is much more logical than the first edition. https://ta2viewer.openanatomy.org/

Since one year, I work full time to create an open source 3D atlas of anatomy (https://www.z-anatomy.com/) which includes this list of anatomical structures in several languages.

English and Latin are default, I translated it in french and the Portuguese version has also been corrected.

For this atlas, I adapt, copy-paste and create a definition for each of these anatomical structures (I have about 2700 on 7200) Most of them are the actual Wikipedia page, but the name has been adapted to the new nomenclature.

In order to be up-to-date, Wikipedia could take advantage of this work and adapt all these pages.

We are talking about >2500 pages and more will come (>7000).

The creation of the definitions inside the atlas and the other tasks are already taking all my time.

Do you have any idea about how to update the content of Wikipedia to the new TA2?

Sincerely

For more information, you can follow the LinkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/z-anatomy Melodicpinpon (talk) 20:10, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Melodicpinpon, unfortunately, if the atlas is open source, that means it's user-generated content, which is not seen as reliable sourcing for Wikipedia. If your entries cite their root sources, though, perhaps those could be used to create Wikipedia articles for topics still missing them. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:17, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Most of the sources are Wikipedia itself.

There are very few new anatomical structures; existing anatomical terms only changed their name.

https://ta2viewer.openanatomy.org/

This is the previous version

https://taviewer.openanatomy.org/

Many anatomical terms did not have their own page on Wikipedia.

The definitions created are only parts of existing pages copy-pasted to describe a part of another anatomical structure that has a full page of description, inluding a part describing the term for which I propose to create a new page.

The other description created are translation made from the 'Feneis' -which is the first reference for french anatomists- and contain the reference used in this book (page+number).

If you wait two articles from Elsevier to create each of these pages, you can as well say that it won't ever be done. Melodicpinpon (talk) 20:39, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Melodicpinpon. Any references used in Wikipedia's medical articles must comply with Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources (medicine). I suggest that you discuss this matter with active editors at WP: Wikiproject Medicine. Cullen328 (talk) 20:46, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Fix StarKist

So Wikipedia I tried to fix the article called StarKist. Please help me I am a editor I had my account EmpireOfJapan1868, so yeah fix StarKist Thank you. 173.61.148.96 (talk) 21:55, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

It's fixed now. It looks like you may have been involved in an edit war, too. Remember to follow bold, revert, discuss and take your suggested edit to the Talk Page of the article. Also remember to include reliable sources when you make edits. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 21:58, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. I reverted the article back to where it was before you edited it (and accidentally messed it up). You claim that the company is Norwegian owned, but I am not able to find any reliable sources that confirm that. The article says that StarKist is owned by the South Korean seafood company Dongwan, and this website seems to verify that. Cullen328 (talk) 22:22, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

listing of a school on wiki

I wanted to list our school on the platform of wiki, but it was deleted. I guess I didn't know how to do it. any help on how to add it? Bismarktandoh (talk) 22:50, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Bismarktandoh Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that you have a common misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is. It is not a directory where something is "listed" due to its mere existence. This is an encyclopedia with criteria for inclusion. An article about an organization must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the organization, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization.

If by "our school" you mean you are an employee, please read conflict of interest and paid editing. 331dot (talk) 22:58, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

yes i am an employee of the school and i am not paid to to do. i saw that when you search on wiki, it was not found so i tried to fix it there. As i not an IT expert i couldnt understand the processes and that was my issue. Bismarktandoh (talk) 23:03, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

if there is any expert that can help i will inform the authorities about it and contact him or her. Bismarktandoh (talk) 23:05, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Bismarktandoh. There are no "experts" (at least not in the sense that I think you're using the term) you can contact, but you can try asking for assistance at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Higher education since that's where you're going to find users who have experience editing and creating articles about post-secondary schools. Perhaps one of them can help. However, you're still going to need to comply with Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure if you're planning to continue anything on Wikipedia related to your school. You should also be aware that it might be possible for an article about your school to be created, but there's no chance of an article for your school being created. If the difference is hard to understand, then think of it this way: neither the school nor anyone associated with will have any final editorial control over what's written in the article. In other words, the article will not be a way for the school to promote itself in any way or set the record straight about itself in any way. Article content will be expected to reflect independent and secondary reliable sources have been saying about the school and be otherwise in accordance with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. You and anyone else associated with the school will be expected to not directly edited, but instead to seek assistance from others when you've got concerns or would like changes to be made. This means that the article may move in a direction or contain content that the school doesn't like and such content could be allowed as long as it complies with relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:24, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Bismarktandoh: The draft was deleted due to inactivity, no edits in 6 months or more. If you are going to continue to work on the draft, you may request it be undeleted. See the note on your talk page. Check out WP:YFA for useful info on creating an article. RudolfRed (talk) 23:05, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

As an employee you must declare PAID on your User page even if you are not being paid to create a Wikipedia article about the school. David notMD (talk) 23:14, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Making a test Wikipedia account for a blog and then deleting the account

I am making a Blog post on Google Blogger about the benefits of creating a wikipedia account, and what wikipedia is not, and then how to create an account.

I already have a Wikipedia account and want to create a test Wikipedia account and then request deletion of the account.

Is this possible? ScientistBuilder (talk) 01:53, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder: Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia accounts (generally) can't be deleted, so I wouldn't recommend it if you want to delete the account afterward. You could just point readers to en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:CreateAccount; I think it's pretty self-explanatory at that page. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 02:11, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@ScientistBuilder: To clarify a bit more what Bsoyka says above, accounts can't be deleted for technical and legal reasons - specifically, no option exists in the MediaWiki install Wikipedia's using to do it, and deleting accounts would in any event cause problems with the attribution requirements for the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike licence Wikipedia uses. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 02:30, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ScientistBuilder. Such an account is perfectly legitimate under WP:VALIDALT which says Testing and training: Users who use a lot of scripts and other tools may wish to keep a second, vanilla account, for testing how things appear to others; or for demonstrating Wikipedia's default appearance when training new users. The second account should be clearly linked to the main account, except where doing so would interfere with testing or training. So, disclose the account as a legitimate alternative, use it for your training purposes, and abandon it if it is no longer needed. There is no need to delete the account, and as pointed out above, deleting an account is not really possible for a variety of legal and technical reasons. Cullen328 (talk) 02:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Orient & Flume Art Glass

I am one of the founders of Orient & Flume Art Glass and I would like to post the history to Wikipedia and I don't know where to begin. David G. Hopper (talk) 04:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

hi David G. Hopper and welcome to the teahouse! I advise you read the guidelines on conflict of interest first before you start writing an article. it's extremely hard to write neutrally (which is required) about a subject you have a connection to, so it may be best to avoid touching the subject entirely. if someone does make a page on Orient & Flume Art Glass, you could probably hop over to its talk page and help in improving the article through edit requests. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 05:49, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

For an article to be created either about the business or the artists, there would need to be publications independent of either to serve as references. A fast search on either did not fine such. If these exist, then you could use to WP:YFA process to create a draft, and then submit to a Reviewer. But in the absence of references, the effort would be futile. David notMD (talk) 09:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

There are articles of varying quality about glass artists. See List of glass artists for many examples. David notMD (talk) 09:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@David G. Hopper Replied at your talkpage. An article about this company may be doable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

How to delete a non-free file?

How can I delete a non-free file when the deletion won't be a problem for anyone?

I saw something about making a request to the Deletion Administrator but I couldn't find out how to do that.

If a non-free file is uploaded but not used in the article named in its accompanying information nor anywhere else does it get automatically deleted after a time? In which case I would not need to ask for it to be deleted.

I uploaded the file but had forgotten to crop some unneeded stuff from the bottom of the image. I then uploaded the image under a different name after cropping it but realised a bit later that in any case it was not a very good choice for making the intended point. So I now want to delete two files.

The files would be of interest only to someone making minor edits to the article Michael O'Connell (artist) and at the moment that's only me.

The two files are:

Michael O'Connell, textile artist - Harpist.jpg

Michael O'Connell, textile artist - Stony harpist.jpg Tpsoconnell (talk) 10:44, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: File:Michael O'Connell, textile artist - Harpist.jpg and File:Michael O'Connell, textile artist - Stony harpist.jpg. non-free files get deleted after seven days of being marked by Speedy Deletion F5, or you can mark it for instant deletion through Speedy Deletion G7. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 10:50, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Can I amend or replace the image in a non-free file?

This ties in with my previous question.

If a non-free file is not used in any article can its image be amended or replaced?

I uploaded the file but had forgotten to crop some unneeded stuff from the bottom of the image. Could I have cropped the uploaded image? Or could I have cropped the source image and swapped it in in place of the original image?

The file would be of interest only to someone making minor edits to the article [Michael O'Connell (artist)] and at the moment that's only me.

The file is:

Michael O'Connell, textile artist - Harpist.jpg Tpsoconnell (talk) 10:46, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

hi again Tpsoconnell and welcome to the teahouse! you can replace an old non-free image with a new one, but now that both are here that doesn't really matter now. if you chose to upload a new image, older images would then have to be deleted by tagging the image with {{orphaned non-free revisions}}. since you have two similar copies of that now, if you want just one to stay, you can just mark one with {{G7}} and add the other to the page. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 10:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Can Ya'll Help Me Do A Wiki On The Latest 1950s

I'm Trying To Work On The Latest On The 1950s But I Don't Know How To Make It I Just Started YArnold2923 (talk) 11:54, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@YArnold2923: Welcome to the Teahouse! Please see H:YFA, as well as why you might want to hold off on that for a while. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 11:58, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank You YArnold2923 (talk) 12:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

YArnold2923 I think you mean a Wikipedia article; a "wiki" is a type of entire website of which Wikipedia is one example. 331dot (talk) 12:46, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Andhra Pradesh District reorganization and related edits

There has been a re-organisation of districts in the state of Andhra Pradesh, India effective from April 4 2022. The corresponding page on List of districts of Andhra Pradesh is edited. However this change is not reflected in other pages of wikipedia. For example, the page on assembly constituencies of Andhra Pradesh still lists the constituencies under the old districts. This error is present in each of the individual pages of the constituencies.

I am from Andhra Pradesh and new to wiki editing community. I would like explore and if possible contribute to an automated solution which fixes the above mentioned errors. tulasi 09:12, 12 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tulasimohan (talk • contribs)

hi Tulasimohan and welcome to the teahouse! I don't know how the old and new districts work (I don't live in india, let alone andhra pradesh), but if district borders were shifted or changed here or there is a new and completely distinct set of districts, I think it would be hard to code a theoretical bot to properly and correctly replace old districts with new districts (but then again, I also don't code wikibots). of course, you can always be bold and do it yourself, and ask for assistance if you need help with the wikicode. happy editing! (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) 💜  melecie  talk - 10:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Tulasimohan, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm pretty sure this kind of thing can't be automated, because unless the boundaries exactly match (so it is just a renaming) places in one district won't all have moved to the same district. Another thing to remember is that this is an ecnyclopaedia, not just for now but for all time. Just because something has ceased to exist doesn't mean that it should be removed from the encyclopaedia: if something is notable then it remains notable.

This means that updating is likely to require care and some thought. If a district has changed its name, with little or no geographical alteration, then an article on it can simply be moved (leaving the old name as a redirect), and some text added about the changes. But if districts have been abolished and new ones created, then articles on the existing districts should be updated to show that they are historical, and new articles written about the new districts. And mentions of the districts in other articles, such as you mention, need to be looked at individually and updated accordingly (and sometimes, if they are in historical articles, left alone). I suggest you post at WT:WikiProject India to see if anybody wants to pick this matter up. --ColinFine (talk) 13:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Route Maps

Hello, Wikipedia Teahouse!

I work with VisualEditor and I recently came across this template:Template:Railway_line_legend. It is a route map for trains (subways/underground/metro) and wanted to make one for my local city's metro system. However, there is no place to edit or make one. How do I do this? Example maps are: Mumbai Metro, Line 1 (Mumbai Metro), Line 2 (Mumbai Metro).

Regards! *தருண் குமார்*, India (cstarunkumarhb@gmail.com) For talk page, click here. 13:45, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Narutmaru, welcome to the Teahouse! I believe the template in the template that you mentioned is Template:Routemap and its documentation will teach you a lot regarding how to make one for your local city's metro system. Unfortunately, I think it's much simpler to do this using source editor so you might have to switch to it. Would recommend enabling the 2017 Wikitext editor under beta features due to it's similarity to visual editor. Good luck and happy editing! Justiyaya 13:57, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you @Justiyaya *தருண் குமார்*, India (cstarunkumarhb@gmail.com) For talk page, click here. 13:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome!

Welcome to the Teahouse, every user! 86.133.55.255 (talk) 13:57, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to you too! Do you have any question about editing Wikipedia? Kpddg ^(talk) 13:59, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

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Bold 164.83.115.10 (talk) 15:23, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello! Do you have a question about using Wikipedia? If you would like to test, feel free to use the sandbox. Happy editing! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 15:36, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Fixing Paragraph Position

Hey friends! Here I'm working on an article named "Roseate Sonnet" and I'm having a little trouble. I have added a paragraph named History but because of some technical fault, it's appearing below in citations section. Please fix the bug or tell me how it can be fixed.😊Sinner (speak) 15:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Fixed. You had swapped two characters in a ref name. —Wasell^(T) 🌻 15:40, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Finding a source

Isn't there a noticeboard or forum of sorts where I can ask for help locating sources? I'm wondering if I could possibly locate the source I've mentioned at the talkpage of one of my drafts: Draft talk:Timber Wars. Just Googling bits of the quote doesn't bring up the source, and I was wondering if other people on Wikipedia have access to tools that might help locate the source. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:57, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant: Is it the WP:Reference desk or WP:Resource Request? The Tips of Apmh 16:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@TipsyElephant—You can access the Wikipedia Library here, which provides over 90+ reliable sources free for Wikipedians. I should note that you have already have access, since you have over 6 months of experience, 500+ edits, have made >10 edits this month, and you are not blocked. Let me know if this is not the answer to your question. Hopefully this helps! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 16:07, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Trying to avoid an edit war

Hello, I recently tried to edit theory of mind as quite a bit of the information in it regarding "autistic people do not have theory of mind" is out of date is generally agreed to be wrong by modern scientific consensus (similar to how "autism is caused by vaccines" could be cited with out-of-date studies). My edit was reverted as unjustified (that's fair, I should've been more clear) so I tried to edit again this time making it more clear why in the edit description and adding more sources, but it's been removed again and I was asked to justify at the talk page (again, fair - I should have done that initially). I've now explained in the talk page, but I'm now worried about editing it again in case I get in trouble for an edit war but also am feeling a bit stressed because not only is the information out of date, but it's also actively harmful to autistic people. Can I ask for any advice regarding this? Thank you and I apologise -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 05:37, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Notcharizard, you will have to discuss on the article talk page and establish consensus, before carrying out major changes in an article. Kpddg ^(talk) 05:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

My main advice, Notcharizard, would be to continue with the approach you have now taken (to use the Talk Page of the article to discuss content with other editors) and assume good faith in those editors. One reason your initial edit may have been reverted is that you changed the WP:LEAD part of the article. That section is supposed to summarise the more detailed account in the full article and is the part that is most important, since it's what most readers read first before deciding whether to read on. Hence it needs to be crafted very carefully. It may be better to think about how the main article should be updated before making changes to the lead. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:44, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

That makes sense about the lead - I will be sure to use the talk page before making changes to the lead in big articles in future! I'm definitely assuming good faith (I love that it is a wiki guideline). Can I ask, for future edits, what counts as "major changes" to an article? Is it about word count/percentage or more just about the content? Thank you. -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 16:19, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Notcharizard: It's easy to say what is a "minor" change, because that's defined at WP:Minor as one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. So most edits are by implication "major". However, Wikipedia encourages editors to be WP:BOLD and sometimes, indeed, to write whole articles from scratch. If you do make large edits to existing articles, then don't be upset if you get reverted, that's just the WP:BRD cycle kicking in and you just need to move on to WP:DISCUSS with other editors. Many articles I edit have few, or no, other people recently interested in them, as judged their Edit History. So large changes I make probably won't be a problem. However, sometimes it's obvious that lots of people will have the article on their watch pages and the "Page information" link will tell you how many these are (if >30). That's useful in knowing how bold to be. Likewise, the Talk Page of an article can be used to make a judgement: how recently have editors been discussing content? One other tip is to add new content to well-established articles in relatively small increments. Then other editors can revert the bits they don't like while keeping the parts they are happy with, making it easier for you to build up a WP:consensus. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:19, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

That's actually incredibly helpful, thank you! I appreciate the detailed response and also the BRD resource, I will save that for future use. -- ☽☆ NotCharizard (talk) 18:13, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Help with page approval please

Hello!

I don't think I can link our page here since it's in draft status, however, I wanted to see if I could get some assistance with how to get our page approved. It's for our upcoming film 'Nomad' that is not released yet, however, we have noted several on-line sources (not of our own) that talk about the movie production.

The decline notice says, "most of the sources say this movie hasn't released."

Does this mean we cannot get it approved until the film is released?

Thank you for your help! Jane Editor (talk) 20:20, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, you can link it. I'll do it: Draft:Nomad (2021 film).

Wikipedia publishes articles on notable subjects. Your film cannot be notable until it has reports of public reception. Most of the sources you cite aren't about the film. Half of them are about a solar eclipse. Some of them are announcements. And we cannot cite IMDB.

Your draft says the release date is in 2021. That was last year. If the film has been released, aren't there any better sources you can find? It looks like the draft could be completely rewritten post-release.

And to answer your question about approval for unreleased films: generally that won't happen unless there are extraordinary circumstances. Wikipedia absolutely cannot be used as a publicity medium. Generally, trying to publish an article about a film before its release would be considered promotional use of Wikipedia, which is prohibited. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:26, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Thank you for your response. I see now that the draft says 2021 and that should be updated to 2022 as it was not released last year. Am I able to update this in the edit section?

Some of the references are on-line sources that do talk about an exceptionally rare shot that was captured during the filming. Such as this one. https://gizmodo.com/a-new-sci-fi-movie-had-2-minutes-to-capture-a-solar-ecl-1836080905. Is this notable enough to be get accepted? Jane Editor (talk) 18:56, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

• The only times a film merits an article before it is released is if something is notable about the production itself, see Rust (suspended film). 331dot (talk) 20:42, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

You say, "I don't think I can link our page here since ..." and "...some assistance with how to get our page approved. It's for our upcoming film..." In that case, you have a conflict of interest and, to a reasonably good first approximation, you should not be editing the article. Instead, if someone else creates the article, you may suggest changes at its talk page, supported by reliable sources. But be very cautious about touching the article directly. And see the previous comment that "Wikipedia absolutely cannot be used as a publicity medium". Feline Hymnic (talk) 21:02, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Feline Hymnic: The OP has all of the necessary paid editing notices on her user page. And she's referring to draft space, which is the only venue available in which a COI editor can work. ~Anachronist (talk) 18:55, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

FWIW, I can't find anything indicating that anyone saw the film or that it was even released. Rotten Tomatoes doesn't even mention it. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 22:38, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Why not recommend WP:TWA?

Moved to Wikipedia talk:Teahouse

 – This page is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia; moving to the talk page. Bsoyka (talk) 19:04, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Moldavian language

Hello everyone I'm new on Wikipedia, I wanted to ask why all pages related to Republic of Moldova in Russian language are saying we're speaking "Moldavian- a soviet Invention" language, and when I try to modify thesse articles in a day or two they go back unmodified? Moldavian language don't exist and it's disrespectful to us to see Russians dictating here! I was even blocked for 1 day by "Q-bit array- a Russian nazist" for trying to change the mistakes. I'm sorry if this is not the right place to post this problem but I really appreciate your understanding and help. Stefan chi (talk) 21:10, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Stefan, and welcome to the Teahouse on the English Wikipedia. I'm sorry you are having a frustrating time on the Russian Wikipedia, but they are totally separate projects, and English Wikipedia has no knowledge, influence, or control over Russian Wikipedia. I can only suggest that you ask at ru:Википедия:Форум/Помощь начинающим. ColinFine (talk) 21:49, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

@Stefan chi: Welcome to the Teahouse. If this is about the Russian Wikipedia we can't help you here. The Teahouse here only covers the English Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:49, 11 April 2022 (UTC)

This is the second post I've seen here about such behavior on the Russian wiki. While English Wikipedia has no control over Russian Wikipedia, is there perhaps someone at the foundation that might be alerted to this sort of thing if the Russian Wikipedia community cannot or will not act on the problem? --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 19:09, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

This might need to be brought to the Meta-Wiki or ArbCom. I remember seeing an RfC for issues on the Croatian Wikipedia a few years back on Meta-Wiki. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:46, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

According to Moldovan language, the concept of "Moldavian" was created by Soviets. So being blocked for being a "Russian Nazi" for going against a viewpoint of the Ur-Example of Russian Nazis seems bizarre. ArbCom doesn't have authority here since they're Enwiki only, I thought? I might be wrong on that. Regardless, this needs to go straight to Meta; don't pass go, do not collect $200 casualdejekyll 21:46, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Business Page

Hi! I was looking for some more information for a company page. I do not want to disrupt or go against any Wikipedia rules/guidelines. My company is looking to create a wikipedia page but I know the rules are super strict on businesses as it cannot be for any promotional use. They were looking to hire a company to help create it but I feel like that is going against Wikipedia rules. I am not sure what the right steps are and how to go about it. I would appreciate any input or advice! - we are well established enough as most of our clients have wikipedia pages which is why I feel like my bosses believe we should too Finance1011 (talk) 15:26, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Finance1011 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia does not have "company pages", it has articles about companies, typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the company in any way(including being hired by the company). Those articles summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable company. Press releases, interviews, and announcements do not establish notability. Notability is also not inherited by association(such as through having notable clients). My advice is to not force the issue, if the company is truly notable an independent editor will take note of it and choose to write about it. Any article about your company will not necessarily say what the company might want. 331dot (talk) 15:33, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for coming here and asking, Finance1011. Clearly you understand that Wikipedia may not be used for promotion, but (like many people) I don't think you really understand what that means. Not one of your clients "has a Wikipedia page" because nobody and nothing in the entire universe "has a Wikipedia page". Wikipedia apparently has articles about your clients: the articles do not belong to the clients, are not controlled by the clients, are not for the clients' benefit (except incidentally), they do not necessarily say what the client would like to be said about them. If they are decent articles (we have thousands and thousands of seriously substandard articles that were perpetrated before we became as careful of our standards) they will contain almost nothing that the client says or wants to say, and will be almost entirely based on what people who have no connection with the client have chosen to publish in reliable sources.

Even if all the articles about your clients are excellent (which implies that each of your clients meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, as without that an acceptable article is not possible) that does not necessarily mean that you meet those criteria - notability is not inherited. If for example you provide a service which independent commentators are not generally interested in writing about, then I'm afraid that you will not meet those criteria, however well-known you might be within the industry.

What I would very very strongly advise you against doing is paying somebody to write an article on you. This can work, but all too often people who try it end up losing out. If the company you hire are honest, they will tell you that they cannot guarantee that an article about you will be accepted, and that if it is accepted, they cannot guarantee that you will be in any way satisfied with the result. (If they do not tell you this, then they are simply lying). They will also conform with Wikipedia's terms of service by declaring their status as paid editors.

In the end, I'm afraid that "My company is looking to create a wikipedia page" is precisely what we mean by promotion. Whether or not Wikipedia ever has an article about your company is not in your gift or control, and will not (from Wikipedia's point of view) ever be for your benefit. ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you both for your explanations and input. I will tell them it’s best to just leave it alone and if one is created later on then that will be the best. I am disclosing I am an employee of the company but I am NOT being paid to create or establish any kind of article for or about this company (I do not nearly know anything to even attempt a task like that or have the skills required to do so). I just was looking for answers and figured This may be the best way to get these answers before doing something that is out of the realm of Wikipedia and would get immediately taken down. I also really disliked the option of hiring a third party because as you had mentioned they do “guarantee” which does not seem right to me. I appreciate both of your assistance it helps so much! ~~

Being an employee counts as paid (see WP:PAID) even if not specifically being paid to create a Wikipedia article. Being paid is allowed as long as that fact is declared on your User page. Creating a new Wikipedia is a hard task. Common advice is to put in months trying to improve existing articles. And as noted, once an article about the company exists, any editor can edit it, as long as facts are verified by references. Often, this means controversial content being included (lawsuits, government actions, etc.). David notMD (talk) 21:48, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

TRYING TO GET MY WIKI PAGE BACK

Can someone help me get my wikipedia page back?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susku_Ekim_Kaya Suskuekim (talk) 00:29, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@Suskuekim: Welcome to the Teahouse! The article in question was moved to Draft:Susku Ekim Kaya; see the reviews there for what needs to be fixed before it's moved back. Please also note that it isn't your Wikipedia article. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 00:36, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@Suskuekim - Please read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Thank you. casualdejekyll 21:49, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

when is it appropriate to create an article

Hello, I have noticed that my attempts to create articles like Ethan Wacker, Other works of Jane Fonda, List of roles and awards of Troian Bellisario have been met with criticism and reverted. I was just wondering when is it appropriate to create an article?, as I thought they were useful additions. Did I have to ask permission? Samuelloveslennonstella (talk) 13:50, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@Samuelloveslennonstella,

See, w.wiki/3qq (WP:Notability, WP: Notability) for Ethan Wacker. The show is not that notable. But, buddy cheer up! Even Ollivander does not! Maybe try Fandom!

For Other Works of Jane Fonda and List of Roles and Awards of Troian Bellisario, if you have additional information, do add it in the main article. Permission is not required, however if the information is too little, not notable or can be part of main article, mostly the article is deleted. I suggest that you add your information in those main articles. *தருண் குமார்*, India (cstarunkumarhb@gmail.com) For talk page, click here. 14:04, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Samuelloveslennonstella A decision on when to split out a person's work from a biographical article is somewhat subjective, depending on size. So, for example Ernest Hemingway has a short list of works, with a link to Ernest Hemingway bibliography. For the two you attempted - Jane and Troian - an editor reverted your attempts as being in their opinion too small to bother. Standard practice for being reverted is to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article in question. David notMD (talk) 21:39, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

I've had the admittedly quite pathetic problem of really wanting to write an article, but understanding quite well what counts as notable and not being able to find anything notable to write about. casualdejekyll 21:51, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

How to reduce the number of citations?

Like in Richard H. Ebright? Probably the biggest best example of WP:OVERKILL. Excellenc1 (talk) 16:37, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@Excellenc1: The WP page you link to has some suggestions on how to solve it. Can you clarify what you are asking for? RudolfRed (talk) 16:43, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@RudolfRed, there are some lines whose citations are papers on the topic, like 7 journal citations on his research in transcription initiation, 6 for antibacterial drug discovery etc. How to reduce these? Excellenc1 (talk) 17:02, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

In other articles about academic scientists I have seen a section of selected publications, often limited to 5-10 journal articles. There was also no need to ref so many newspaper articles (NYTimes and WashPost) that mentioned Ebright in passing or had a short quote from him. I deleted 17 refs. David notMD (talk) 22:08, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

AfC versus Move (be bold?)

Advice appreciated. I submitted a draft (Draft:King James (play)) to the 'AfC' process a little over 2 weeks ago, hoping for fairly rapid consideration and for ideas on how to improve it. I believe that it is in pretty good shape, and is now a credible Wikipedia article. Would it be bad form on my part to switch strategy now, and 'Move' the page from Draft to Article space, in hope of a speedier response? CWBoast (talk) 01:29, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

The backlog at AfC is close to 3,000 drafts, but the system is not a queue. Reviewers decide what they want to review next. Converting your draft to an article goes to New Pages Patrol rather than AFC reviewers. NPP can also take months. In the interim, it will exist as an article, but be invisible to search engine searches. David notMD (talk) 04:21, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Be Bold. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 05:02, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Removing a category

At Category:Hardboiled crime novels there's a page listed under "N" for Nobody Move (novel). Clicking on it takes you to the article for the book's author, Den Johnson, not the page for the novel, because that page doesn't exit. I don't know how to remove the novel from the category because I only know how to remove categories from the appropriate article. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 00:14, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Pete Best Beatles, welcome. It's occurring because the redirect is populating the category just like an article would. You are able to edit the categories in the same way you would for a normal article. Zindor (talk) 00:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

hi Pete Best Beatles and wecome back to the teahouse! the category is at the redirect Nobody Move (novel), as in the page that redirects you to Denis Johnson. if you wanna get there, when you click on Nobody Move (novel), you get redirected to Johnson with a link back to Nobody Move that allows you to stay at that page, where you can edit that page. you can also click this link: Nobody Move (novel). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

before I forget, please also note that nobody move can keep its categories despite being a redirect due to those categories being incompatible with its redirect article (is Den Johnson himself a hardboiled crime novel?). for a page on how to categorize redirects, please see this page. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:38, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

That's a good point, Melecie. I do note however the redirect page has no history of being anything other than a redirect, so is the category useful or simply confounding (considering principle of least confoundment) for those trying to locate articles on 'hardboiled crime novels'? Kind regards, Zindor (talk) 01:03, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

I notice that four of Den Johnson's novels and two of his short-story collections already have articles of their own, so it's plausible that Nobody Move could also merit one. The redirect page could be repurposed for that if anybody wanted to take it on. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.200.65.249 (talk) 17:57, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

@Zindor:@Melecie: Thanks everybody for your help. I was busy, but just got around to removing Category:Hardboiled crime novels from the Nobody Moves (novel) redirect page, my original problem, but there are still 9 more categories there. How can a novel have categories when it doesn't have a real article? You can't assign categories if you don't know anything about the novel, and I thought you could only base that on what's verifiable (from an article). I have a strong urge to remove all the categories, but I know I should get some guidance first. -- Pete Best Beatles (talk) 05:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Properly formatting userboxes

Hi, a few days ago I added several userboxes to my userpage, and as you can tell by my aforementioned userpage, I have not been able to find a way to properly format them into neat rows and columns. How would you go about in organzing these userboxes properly? Maerenneburg (talk) 12:35, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Maerenneburg Welcome to the Teahouse. I've added a {{userboxtop}} {{userboxbottom}} and a {{clear}} template to help sort things out for you. A good tip is to find another user who's userpage you like, and copy the relevant source code you see there to arrange your content like theirs. Hope this helps, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:56, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Editing suggestions

Hello,

As a new participant to Wikipedia, I have had a list of editing suggestions provided to me. That list is no longer visible. Is this correct?

Thank you in advance.

NorthWu (talk) 15:12, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@NorthWu: Welcome to the Teahouse. Do you happen to have a new user homepage? If you do, you can click on your username by the top-right corner of the screen, then click on the "Homepage" link by the top-left corner. I believe that may be where you saw editing suggestions. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:19, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your quick reply. I do have a new user page and that is where the editing suggestions appeared...until now. NorthWu (talk) 15:27, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@NorthWu: So you're saying that when you're on the homepage, the suggested edits don't appear on the left-hand side? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 15:47, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

That's correct, the left-hand side only has the standard Wikipedia menu. The editing suggestion were in the center of the page, more or less, and now that is empty. NorthWu (talk) 15:54, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@NorthWu: I see a list of suggestions on your talk page. 108.52.196.8 (talk) 16:00, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, that just arrived as a result of my post here at the Teahouse. Thanks very much for your time. NorthWu (talk) 16:02, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Mentor

Sometimes at the bottom right of a page is a question mark, which when clicked on says "Ask your mentor for help" "Liamyangyll, 1571 edits, active 2 days ago" what is this and how did this person become my mentor? Sandyway us (talk) 15:50, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, good question, @Sandyway us! This is a part of our new Growth Team Features (GTF), which specializes in making Wikipedia more approachable to new users. You should have noticed the Newcomer Homepage by now, which is given to 100% of new users. One of these new GTF is the Mentorship program, where new users are assigned an experienced editor; the new users can ask this mentor questions at any time if they feel stuck about something. Currently, 10% of new users are given this feature, and you have fallen in this percentage.

In short, you can hit that button at any time and ask Liamyangyll any questions, who is experienced enough to hopefully have answers. This isn't necessary a "personal" interaction and you do not need to use this feature if you aren't interested. Panini! • 🥪 16:07, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Google link

I want to use the following for a citation: https://www.gooogle.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwihwMCOpJH3AhU1NX0KHf6qC0o4PBAWegQIEhAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Ffanyv88.com%3A443%2Fhttps%2Fcdn.elebase.io%2F48f2d2e2-227a-4dfc-b2d3-d99715fd23cd%2F547964aa-00c3-40d5-b3b1-f693ce29237d-wat18e890956d9c1c889.pdf%3Fdl%3Dtrue&usg=AOvVaw2IwUkunZ9OXCTF3jhXRZJu How do I convert it to a non-google link? (I've added an extra "o" to google for this edit to be accepted here) DMBanks1 (talk) 18:04, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

https://cdn.elebase.io/48f2d2e2-227a-4dfc-b2d3-d99715fd23cd/547964aa-00c3-40d5-b3b1-f693ce29237d-wat18e890956d9c1c889.pdf I believe that's right. Although is there not a more direct link you could use? - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 18:18, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@DMBanks1, well, that was my risky click of the day haha. It looks like you're trying to cite a Google redirect URL to a PDF, so just go with the direct URL ActivelyDisinterested provided above. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:19, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @DMBanks1: Any reason you wouldn't just use [2], which is where that link redirects? Is the site blacklisted? TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 18:20, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

I think he was asking how to convert the mess he had into the URL it redirects too. - LCU ActivelyDisinterested ∆transmissions∆ °co-ords° 18:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@DMBanks1 Welcome to the Teahouse. My approach was to take the documents title and Google it. That gives you a single search result which you can click to download the document. Just copy the link at the search result point, then use that as the url when you add a citation with the editing tool "Cite" button. It will automatically detect it as a pdf. I pass no judgement on the source website or the legitimacy of the source. It looks OK, but it's hard to tell at a quick read through. Is there likely to be anything contentious about it? Nick Moyes (talk) 18:26, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Content reads as sound. Many thanks to all. DMBanks1 (talk) 19:14, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Moving image to Commons... from other language Wikipedia

Hello. I am trying to move a Wikipedia free image file that should be suitable for Wikimedia Commons. I have read the Wikipedia:Moving files to Commons guideline. However, this file is from the Japanese language Wikipedia. Can anyone help perform this export from the Japanese Wikipedia to Commons? The image link in question is: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%95%E3%82%A1%E3%82%A4%E3%83%AB:NW-A900.JPG Morita Akio (talk) 10:43, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Morita Akio, I've never moved a file to Commons, because I've never wanted to. But a quick look at commons:Commons:Moving files to Commons doesn't suggest that there's anything about the process that varies according to which Wikipedia you're moving from. If you tried following the instructions there but got stuck, where was the sticking point? -- Hoary (talk) 00:35, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

how to disambiguate?

I just created my first business page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Riveter

and had this comment come up - can anyone tell me how to add this or update this page to comply with this?:

• Comment:
  The title of this draft either has been disambiguated or will need to be disambiguated for acceptance.
  If this draft is accepted, an entry will need to be added to the disambiguation page for the primary name.
  The disambiguation page for the primary name is Rivet (disambiguation). Robert McClenon (talk) 01:54, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Weavingowl (talk) 03:24, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Weavingowl. You do not need to worry about disambiguation and that note on your draft is not directed at you. Any experienced editor who (possibly) accepts your draft will take care of the disambiguation. Far more important is for you to improve the draft to establish that thus business meets the notability guideline Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). When I look at the current version of your draft, I see no evidence that this company is notable. Cullen328 (talk) 03:37, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Weavingowl, and welcome to the Teahouse. Your use of the phrase "business page" suggests to me that, like many people, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of Wikipedia. What Wikipedia consists of is not "business pages", but encyclopaedia articles about notable subjects, including businesses. A Wikipedia article about Riveter will not belong to Riveter, will not be controlled by Riveter, will not be for the benefit of Riveter (except incidentally) and may end up containing material that Riveter does not want there. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.

Also, I must ask: do you have a connection with the business? If so, you need to read about editing with a conflict of interest, and if you are in any way employed or compensated by them, you need to declare yourself as a paid editor. (If you do not have any connection with them, I advise you to state this fact clearly on your user page, so that suspicious people like me will stop asking you!) ColinFine (talk) 09:11, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Making content

I'm from a small country called Burma, and i would like to add some leaders that have contributed to our country. None of their name are being listed in wikipedia. i would like to make a content for those people.[10:40:10 PM] <VioletNarwhal37> i have talked to a few of these leaders on their background, history, family, schools, the things they have done for our country, is this possible? Chinkasi (talk) 03:42, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Chinkasi, I don't know what you mean by "[10:40:10 PM] <VioletNarwhal37>". Burma is large; it's only the Mercator projection that makes it look small. So, your question: Wikipedia articles must be based on what is written in reliable, disinterested, published sources. Unpublished discussions aren't usable. (Even published interviews are rarely usable.) -- Hoary (talk) 04:08, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Chinkasi, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sure that leaders in places like Burma are under-represented in English Wikipedia, and we would be glad if somebody wrote high-quality articles about some of them. Unfortunately, creating a new article is a very difficult task, and it starts with finding material about them that has been published by a reliable organ and is independent of them - the information does not come from an interview or press release. The information does not have to be in English, or online, but it does have to be from a reputable publisher.

To find out about creating new articles, please see your first article; but again, I would warn that it is difficult, and I always advise new editors to spend some time making small improvements to existing articles and learning how Wikipedia works.

I suggest you look at WP:BURMA, where you can find other editors to work with who are interested in subjects related to Burma. ColinFine (talk) 09:17, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Zedned article

Would it be possible if you could make us, ZEDNED an article as we are an upcoming comedy, duo band that make music. We recently debuted onto Spotify, and we also have many records on Soundcloud ZEDNED (talk) 08:55, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, ZEDNED, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid that, like many people, you are mistaking Wikipedia for a social media site. Promotion of any kind is forbidden anywhere on Wikipedia. If/when you meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (which is mostly about what people have published about you, not on what you have done), somebody could write an article about you: that article will not belong to you, will not be for your benefit, will not be under your control, and should mostly be based on what other people have said about you in reliable published sources, not on what you say or want to say. But at present it is almost certainly TOOSOON for an article about you. ColinFine (talk) 09:21, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

ZEDNED Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. IF "ZEDNED" is the name of your group, you will need to change your username, as usernames must represent individuals only(your real name is not required, just something unique to you, the person sitting at the computer). You may change your username at Special:GlobalRenameRequest or WP:CHUS.

Wikipedia is not for "up and coming" anything, be it businesses or bands or comedy acts. Wikipedia is for established and lasting topics, that receive sigificant coverage in independent reliable sources wholly unconnected with the topic. As frankly anyone can put music online, the presence of music online does not merit someone a Wikipedia article. Please review the notability criteria for bands. If your band truly meets the criteria, an independent editor will take note of your band and choose to write about it. Trying to force the issue yourself is not usually successful in these situations. 331dot (talk) 09:27, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Reliable Sources

I am working on a page, and wondering if subsidiaries of Fox/ABC count as reliable sources for Wikipedia. For example—an article in Fox47, the Lansing and Jackson station for Fox. All help would be greatly appreciated, thanks! Matriarch-info (talk) 19:16, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Matriarch-info, per this footnote, I'd say treat it on a case-by-case basis. For relatively uncontroversial information, they're probably fine, but I wouldn't say they're the most reliable sources. If they're challenged, you can ask at WP:RSN. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:21, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Matriarch-info, the local affiliates of Fox and ABC, as well as the local affiliates of CBS and NBC, are absolutely a reliable source for Wikipedia. Local affiliates have high journalistic standards and often produce important local stories not seen anywhere else. Esolo5002 (talk) 12:26, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Struggling with block quote

Hello everyone! I'm struggling with a block quote. I translated one of my articles from the german wikipedia where I am using a block quote as a means of design/organization of the article as it matches the two galleries so nicely. Now I'm not sure wether I should translate it or not. Quote in the original language, which is german? It would be good to have an english translation of it as well. But there's no parameter for the translation in the template. Just write it in brackets? Here's the wikitext:

{{Quote
 |text=Dem Hamburg-Wien-Tagebuch inhärent sind die unablässigen Bewegungen des Suchens, Probierens, der Orientierung einer Studentin. ... Das trifft sich mit Choi-ahois außergewöhnlicher und unbedingter Neugier (curiositas) als Wille zum Wissen, als ‚Lust der Augen‘ (Augustinus), die mit dem Staunen beginnt, um dann mittels künstlerischer, schreibender Handlungen transformiert und angeeignet zu werden.
 |author=Michael Glasmeier
 |source=Afterword. In: Von Hamburg nach Wien und zurück (From Hamburg to Vienna and back)
 |ref=<ref>{{citation|surname1=Michael Glasmeier|editor-surname1= Michael Glasmeier|periodical=Von Hamburg nach Wien und zurück: Tag.Buch.Zeichnung 1999 und 2000|title=Nachwort|at=p. 199|date=2020|language=German</ref>
|translation=Inherent in the Hamburg-Vienna diary are the incessant movements of searching, trying, and orientation of a student. ... This coincides with Choi-ahoi's extraordinary and unconditional curiosity (curiositas) as a will to know, as a 'pleasure of the eyes' (Augustinus), which begins with amazement and is then transformed and appropriated through artistic, writing actions.
}}
}}

And here's the section in the article in my sandbox: Kyung-hwa Choi-ahoi: Artist Books

Thanks for helping out!! Grizma Grizma (talk) 18:53, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Grizma, Wikipedia doesn't tend to use many block quotes, so the question to ask yourself is whether it's truly necessary to have the extended quote in order to write an encyclopedic summary overview of the topic. If yes, I'd just translate it to English and then note that in the source field. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:04, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Ok, thanks, I'll just insert the translation then. Yes, it's necessary, because I want it. And I rarely ever use block quotes in my articles, so this is an exception anyway. ;D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grizma (talk • contribs)

@Grizma: I don't feel that "it's necessary, because I want it." is any sort of justification! Do beware attributing things to people or making statements that are not substantiated in the source. In one place you wrote "Choi-ahoi proves her "invaluable talent for.... I see no use of the word "proves" in the source, so that sounds like your own opinion or interpretation. Do try and avoid that, and keep your quotations very short. I'm not convinced that the long English translation is relevant as it seems rather like "art-waffle" to me that one single reviewer wrote, rather than anything intrinsically encyclopaedic or informative about the subject or her work. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you could click the [ reply ] link to use the new reply tool and never have to sign a post manually again!) Nick Moyes (talk) 19:30, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Collapsing personal dispute. We're all here to help each other build an encyclopedia.

Oh, lovely. Ever so good to be paternalized every now and then after 13 years in the WP. Keeps one humble. Grizma (talk) 19:46, 13 April 2022 (UTC) Hey, I'm just giving you some feedback and suggestions. I can't help it if you don't like it, or don't want it. And, anyway, I make it 5 years and just 473 edits with this account on English Wikipedia. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:08, 13 April 2022 (UTC) You were mansplaining and the advice was unasked for, as I was looking for a specific solution. And it does not matter that I may "just" have 473 edits (which is not just a handful as well) in the en WP as the topic you are addressing deals a) with the content and is b) a universal topic in all the Wikipedias worldwide. The article was featured on the german WP start page and none of the thousands of readers at that time, longterm users included, has felt compelled to complain about artsy fartsiedness and inediquacy of the blockquote. Grizma (talk) 14:28, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@Grizma, many parts of Wikikpedia do use block quotes with {{blockquote}}. See Template:Blockquote/doc#Examples where the multiline parameter is used to provide a quote with both the original and the translation. The example gives

Ceci n'est pas une pipe.

This is Not a Pipe.

— René Magritte, The Treachery of Images

StarryGrandma (talk) 19:22, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Perfect, StarryGrandma, that's the instruction page I was looking for, thanks! :D

Test edits on your own talk page?

Are you "allowed" to make any number of test edits on your own talk page? So long as you are not "gaming" the system or trying to do so simply as a result of editcountitis? Thank you. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 18:31, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue, if you want to make test edits, I'd suggest using your sandbox instead. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:39, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Is there a WP policy against doing so in a specific area of your talk page? Just wondering. Thanks! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 18:59, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue, the purpose of talk pages is to facilitate communication with others, so it might be frowned upon by any talk page watchers to use it as a test space instead. There's no ironclad rule against it I'm aware of, but why do you want so much to use it for a different than it was intended for? You'll have lots of need for testing as you become more experienced, so I'd recommend just creating your sandbox as a dedicated space for it. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:07, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

I was curious if this has any precedent in the WP policy is all. Thank you. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 19:11, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Some relevant policy/guideline for User pages is given at WP:UPYES and H:SANDBOX. These suggest you can create as many subpages as you like to act as alternatives/additions to your main User Page and sandbox, for example to allow you to do experimentation or hold specialist templates readily accessible longer-term. Some editors even create subpages of advice/essays which they point new users to! IMO, using your Talk Page for test edits would be less sensible for the reasons given by Sdkb. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:49, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Why is my divided column not working

Can someone help fix (and explain to me, so that I am taught to fish, not just fed a fish) this divided column. I want it divided, but it is not dividing, I did the {{div col}} {{div col end}} stuff to no avail. Thanks!

Here is the link: Example here. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 19:51, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Th78blue, this might make you laugh, but you've done everything right. The reason why it's not splitting into two columns is because the infobox is taking up too much space and the division would get in the way, so the template didn't run. For now, or until there's expansion on the article, one row will suffice. Panini! • 🥪 20:03, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: It looks OK to me, breaking the list into two columns. What do you think is wrong with it? RudolfRed (talk) 20:04, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

typo. fixing the ping @Th78blue: RudolfRed (talk) 20:05, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

I didn't see it break into two? Is it doing it and I'm just not seeing it? ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 20:06, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

based on the other reply it seems it may depend on the browser or window size or something. RudolfRed (talk) 20:06, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue: Yes, for me (using Chrome) it is showing as two columns RudolfRed (talk) 20:07, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

I use Brave, which is Chrome based and should render in the same way, and it (currently) is not. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 20:17, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Th78blue, I depends on which skin you are using. Vector (2022) has a fixed maximum width which is too narrow for there to be two columns next to the infobox. The default skin, Vector legacy (2010), gives two columns when the window is wide enough. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:36, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

I've made divided columns plenty of times with whatever "skin" I am using though with no issues until now. Here is an example that is working just fine for me: Example with Div Col working. The other one just wasn't visually rendering for me correctly and I wasn't quite sure why. Though the Panini above has a theory, but I'm not sure how to fix that. ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 20:48, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Th78blue! I believe this is down to browser window size, two columns only display if you have a wide enough window. For example both columns you mentioned (here & here) show as single columns for me unless I maximize my browser, at which point they reshuffle to display as two columns. Screen resolution used will also have an affect, wider resolutions will allow more screen acreage to display columns. Text size in browser will also cause variation on people's display devices, I use a fairly large size font so get less room. Added to this both examples have either an infobox or gallery images alongside them taking up some of the window further reducing the area they can spread. Hope this is of some use! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 11:17, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Interesting. I didn't realize that things can render differently for different people. Obviously the exception I was aware of was mobile devices, but I figured that on a computer, regardless of browser, we all see the same thing! ♥Th78blue (talk)♥ 16:57, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

is my article good enough now to publish?

Hello!!! Could someone take a look at my work in progress page on Nourhane, famous singer from the 1940s, 1950s, 1960s in Egypt, Lebanon, Syria - and who suddenly quit. You can find the page here. I have tried added inline citations and references that have varied sources. I will continue working on it, adding more links / photos, etc... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nourhane

awaiting your comments. thank you in advance. Sincerely, May Kassem MayKassem (talk) 15:52, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello @MayKassem! Apart from the citation issues mentioned in the comment on the draft by User:DoubleGrazing, there were issues with formatting (like instead of an infobox, you added an image over a table and using individual images instead of a gallery) and WP:NPOV (for instance, there's a line that says "she was sent to a boarding school where she was seen as a natural leader due to her wit, intelligence, and fearless nature" which is not neutral). So, for these, you can look at other articles about a similar topic and see how they are made, maybe check what templates are used in them. Excellenc1 (talk) 17:35, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@MayKassem, the article has a bunch of formatting issues, which Excellenc1 and I have been addressing. The good news, though, is that the topic clearly passes the notability requirement for singers, largely due to the press surrounding your film. It'd help if you'd format them properly, though—read WP:REFB, fix all the press references in the bibliography section, and then place them throughout the article to support specific facts.

Another issue is that the images in the article will be deleted unless you fix the licenses. You claimed that File:Nourhane Blue paint.jpg was your own work when you uploaded it; unless you personally took it, that's false. For a non-living person, you can upload an image under fair use, but you need to answer the prompts in the wizard correctly. For the press images, they might be out of copyright, but that can be very difficult to prove, so they'll likely be deleted unless you go into the rabbit hole of copyright law in the relevant countries. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:00, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

@Sdkb, @MayKassem, yes, that photo's description says "by Photo Akl- Beirut". I suspect that company owns the copyright. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 04:19, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

I put that information in. Photo Akl is the Photo Studio that took the initial photograph and painted it by hand. A took a photograph of the large photograph, this is therefore a fragment. At any rate, the photograph in its entirety is the property of Nourhane and her family of which I am a part of. This is to reply to @Sdkb- let me know if it's okay with this clarification. MayKassem (talk) 09:36, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@MayKassem, copyright law is unfortunately a lot stricter than it might seem, so unfortunately that's probably still not sufficient. If a photo studio took the photo, even if it's of you/your family, they own the license to it unless they legally transferred it to you. What you should probably do is upload it through the file upload wizard, choosing "non-free but fair use" and the option for a historic portrait of a person no longer alive. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:15, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

will do. another question on copyright of this image: I think she actually paid for the portrait. how does this affect the status? 94.187.0.165 (talk) 18:54, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

It unfortunately doesn't, unless the agreement included something about intellectual property. Many people are often surprised to find out that they don't own things like their own wedding photos. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 19:02, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

so, I can't actually modify the licensing right? I have to wait until it's deleted and then upload again following the steps/options you mentioned. Right?

and thanks a million!!! MayKassem (talk) 16:38, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@MayKassem I would just upload a new photo and give it a slightly different name. I'm not sure if that's 100% the correct photo, but it's simplist by far. Cheers, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 18:32, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

thank you again @Sdkb - will read through the WP:REFB and revise. MayKassem (talk) 09:39, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

@Sdkb &@Excellenc1 - Thank you so much for reworking the formatting and phrasing of the article.

I will read all the pages you advise me to and reformat, create a photo gallery, and put in more supporting documentation. Thanks again. Have a lovely day. MayKassem (talk) 09:58, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

thank you @Excellenc1 very helpful comments MayKassem (talk) 09:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Poliespo

I think that there should be a separate Poliespo article. It has a lot of information of it out there, but is still lumped in with the Billy Ray Waldon article. Another way that Wikipedia could add more information about Poliespo is by expanding the already existing Poliespo section. If there is another way more information about Poliespo could be added or if my ideas aren't possible, please reply. JanKeso (talk) 16:37, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

From the available refernces in that article, I see no evidence that Poliespo exists other than Waldon said it does. If there is published content about Poliespo other than by Waldon, you could create and submit a draft. If not, not. David notMD (talk) 21:35, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

About create new page and how to save also history check

Respected sir, I need a help from you about how to create a new page and also how to check history work done on Wikipedia. Thanks Imranafzalchauhan (talk) 18:31, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Imranafzalchauhan, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, please never put your email address anywhere on Wikipedia, to answer your question, in order to create a new article, and not (Page) please read WP:YFA. The last part of your message is nebulous, how about re-asking with more specific wording and perhaps we can be of help. Celestina007 (talk) 19:31, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Content (history and other) at Wikipedia is supported by references. In most instances, you can access the reference and see for yourself if the content at Wikipedia accurately presented the facts. David notMD (talk) 21:37, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Should an article have a link on it that redirects to another section of that same article?

For example, if there's an article about something someone did and there's a link at the beginning that links to a page about them and that page is a section of that same article about them, should it be there? ClydeFranklin (talk) 19:39, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

According to Help:Self_link such links are permissible. Ruslik_Zero 20:04, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

• @ClydeFranklin: There are varying schools of thought about this, but my view is that outside of rare exceptions, self-links should be avoided. Readers expect links to go to new pages, so it's confusing when they just jump around on the same page instead. Best, {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 20:27, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
  • ClydeFranklin, no, it is very much discouraged, please listen to Sdkb. Celestina007 (talk) 20:44, 14 April 2022 (UTC)
    • Can you link to an official source for this discouragement? I'm sure I've seen links within articles, saying "see below", "see History section", or the like (which shouldn't confuse anyone). Maproom (talk) 21:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

      Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Self-references to avoid might have some relevant info. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:50, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

    • Newer examples among the articles that I consider mine are bristling with page-internal links, yet I don't remember anyone having complained. They certainly had opportunities to do so, as the articles in question were submitted to DYK. Some other editors who frequent that area of WP are very picky about departures from approved orthodoxy; but if I infringed certain norms then this didn't seem to worry them. (I confess that there are very few such articles; I really should produce more, even if that means spending less of my time ... for example, here.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:40, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

How can I find, or see a list of, the sandboxes I have created.

I know that I have created and saved 2 sandboxes but I can't find one of them. I gave it a title like sandbox 2 but I didn't pay attention to the exact title. Brucet8585 (talk) 23:09, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@Brucet8585—Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! You can find them all at Special:PrefixIndex, where you type in the root page name and the namespace. In this case, you should be looking for Special:PrefixIndex/User:Brucet8585. Hopefully this helps! — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — 23:13, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Brilliant! Got it - thank you! Brucet8585 (talk) 23:26, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@Brucet8585: you might also want to add the link to your second sandbox somewhere over at your userpage or first sandbox to more easily get to it. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 01:30, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Brucet8585: It seems that even many experienced editors don't know this, but in a box at the bottom of your contributions page is a link named "Subpages" that leads to a list of all the subpages of your user page, including sandboxes. Deor (talk) 02:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Good idea. I've done that now. Thanks for the suggestion! Brucet8585 (talk) 03:03, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! I've done that now. Brucet8585 (talk) 03:06, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Sandbox draft deletion

Hi, I've been playing in my sandbox and now I want to clean things up. Is there are way to delete drafts from my sandbox?

Delta30061972 (talk) 03:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Delta30061972: Yes, you may place {{Db-userreq}} on the page and an admin will delete it for you. RudolfRed (talk) 03:55, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thank you so much! Delta30061972 (talk) 03:58, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Delta30061972: You probably don't need to have the sandbox itself deleted. Instead, all you might need to do is simply blank the page. Bascially, you just remove all of the content from the sanbox and then click "Publish changes". The content will still be there in the page history of your sandbox if you want to retrieve it someday, but the sandbox will be empty and you use it again for something else. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:34, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. In this instance, I wanted to remove the history. I was experimenting and working on other articles all in one box so the history was a mess. I'll know in the future now to keep my work sorted into different sub-pages. Delta30061972 (talk) 06:50, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Way.com

Can someone take a look at this draft https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Way.com? They've been flagged for notability issues; however, there are very few companies that can claim they've made the Top 100 Marketplace list https://future.a16z.com/marketplace-100/. Seems to me they meet notability guidelines. 2600:1700:442:2810:C0B7:CFE1:EADD:22B8 (talk) 17:05, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

As already replied elsewhere, there is nothing inherently notable about that? Theroadislong (talk) 17:08, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). "Examples of trivial coverage that do not count toward meeting the significant coverage requirement: …inclusion in lists of similar organizations, particularly in "best of", "top 100", "fastest growing" or similar lists(If the list itself is notable, such as the Fortune 500 and the Michelin Guide, the inclusion counts like any other reliable source, but it does not exempt the article from the normal value of providing evidence that independent sources discuss the subject.)" Dege31 (talk) 17:14, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

This kind of makes sense - however the notability of the Marketplace 100 is a reliable 3rd party source, independent from all companies on the list. There is a Wikipedia page for the group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andreessen_Horowitz. Way has also has been featured in Inc, Benzinga and Tech Company News - independent third party publications companies can't buy their way into. If this does not suffice, can someone provide more examples (outside of Fortune 500 and Michelin Guide) of what would qualify? 2600:1700:442:2810:C0B7:CFE1:EADD:22B8 (talk) 17:26, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Additionally, the lead is buzzword filled and unsupported by the article and the product overview is unsourced. Purely promotional article that attempts to use routine business announcements/press releases to establish notability.Slywriter (talk) 12:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Editing Track Layouts

Hello. In the Wikipedia page for Anand Vihar metro station of Delhi Metro, I would like to edit the section on track layout because it is completely wrong (the station has 4 tracks, not 2). Can anyone please help me get started with this? Thank you in advance.

Kool Nerd 123, Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, we are glad to have you, you see Wikipedia is about verifiability, so if you have reliable sources that corroborates your claim then you are at liberty to edit the article and introduce the "correct" statement via reliable sources. Celestina007 (talk) 19:26, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt reply User:Celestina007. Yes, I definitely have a reliable source for my claim, which is the official website of the Delhi Metro. Here[3] is a link to the relevant page. Now, I would like to know where I can learn how to edit track layouts, so if anyone can help me with that, I would be really grateful. Thanking you in advance. Kool Nerd 123 (talk) 19:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Kool Nerd 123. Please see the documentation at Template:Routemap. Cullen328 (talk) 00:04, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your help User:Cullen328. You posted exactly what I wanted. Kool Nerd 123 (talk) 15:41, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Showing old image

I have uploaded a new version of the logo of Exynos available at the Exynos page, but it's still showing old logo. Why? Logo Editor (talk) 15:08, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Logo Editor and welcome to the Teahouse. It's showing fine for me so it's likely you have a local browser problem. Try to bypass your cache. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:47, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Settings

Hi,

Where have the settings gone? 92.40.200.2 (talk) 17:53, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP user, as far as i know, they haven’t gone anywhere if they aren’t being displayed on your device can you switch to a different device? Celestina007 (talk) 18:11, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Flags in Wikipedia logo

I noticed that in the Ukrainian version of pages, the Wikipedia logo has the colors of the Ukrainian flag. I think that is a great idea. Would it be possible to extend that idea to the pages in all the other languages? I realize that there is a potential issue with the fact that some languages are spoken in many countries while others are spoken mostly in a region or province of a country. I am sure some kind of protocol can be devised for these cases. 67.186.48.166 (talk) 04:51, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! each language Wikipedia is a different project with different standards and different members, so I believe you would have to raise this proposal in each individual wiki language. happy reading! 💜  melecie  talk - 07:06, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Before the war, that wasn't there probably. It's only there now because of the war. Cool guy (talk • contribs) • he/they 18:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Article rejected - how can it be accepted.

Hello. My username is Marthature. I have received an email that my proposed article on musician Bobby Black "Articles for creation: Bobby Black (musician)"Draft:Bobby Black (musician) has been rejected by Wikipedia. The reason given is that the article does not cite sufficient reliable sources and seem to be promotional. The sources cited are published articles in reputable magazines, recognized Halls of Fame, etc. Please tell me what is wanted that can make the article acceptable. It would be helpful to me to know what is lacking in citing, for example, the Steel Guitar Hall of Fame, the California Western Swing Society Hall of Fame, the California Country Music Association, the Arhoolie Foundation, the Grand Ole Opry, etc. I might add that Wikipedia cites the Steel Guitar Hall of Fame, for example, in articles about other steel guitar players, and there are Wikipedia articles on virtually every one of the entities listed. Thank you. I'd like a reply to either mobile view or to VisualEditor. Marthature (talk) 12:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Marthature Hello. Just noting that your draft was only declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning here, that it could not be resubmitted. Declined means resubmission is possible. 331dot (talk) 12:16, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. That's nice to know. I would like to know how to make this article acceptable, please. Thank you. Marthature (talk) 12:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Marthature Also noting that you will be able to see replies irrespective of if editors make them via traditional editing or the Visual Editor. I have looked at your draft, and this musician does appear to meet the definition of a notable musician so you are partway there. The issue is that the sources do not show that. It is not enough to just document that he was inducted into various Halls of Fame. There must be significant coverage of this musician personally in independent reliable sources, for an article to summarize, in order for him to merit an article. Much of the prose in the draft is unsourced, and must be as all substantive facts about a living person must be sourced, see WP:BLP. 331dot (talk) 12:26, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I think I see. If I understand matters, what's wanted is some number of published mentions of the subject, Bobby Black, in news and trade publications. I am comparing to the Wikipedia article about Buddy Emmons, another famous pedal steel guitar player. Buddy Emmons. The narrative style appears to be the same as this piece on Bobby Black. Am I understanding this correctly, that Wikipedia needs more articles about Bobby Black to be used as references? Thank you for your help. Marthature (talk) 12:36, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

On sourcing, there is only one useable source that actually discusses the subject of the draft and contributes to notability. At least 3 of the sources have zero mention of the subject, 2 are forum posts and several others are blog postings, list of award recipients. None of these contribute to notability and tje ones not mentioning the subject at all should be removed. Need more sources like vintageguitar.Slywriter (talk) 12:32, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Marthature your second paragraph reads: "As one of the first generation of pedal steel guitar players, Bobby Black is a major contributor to the musical styles of the instrument and one of its primary innovators, expanding the traditional Hawaiian and Western genres in which pedal steel was used to include jazz and rock and roll. During the years he spent playing with Asleep At The Wheel, Commander Cody and His Lost Planet Airmen, and New Riders of the Purple Sage, he introduced the steel guitar to countless young music audiences in the 1960’s and `70’s." and your only reference is a Variety article about the death of George Frayne. I skimmed through that Variety article, and if Bobby Black's name was mentioned I didn't see it.

That article showed that George Frayne had a music career, but it didn't prove anything about the Bobby Black paragraph you wrote. You need to find articles about Bobby Black. Not ones about people he may have worked with, but about Bobby Black. I didn't look at the other references, but I was disappointed in the one I skimmed through. Every fact that you write down needs a reference that tells Wikipedia readers that fact is true. Best wishes on finding those references. Karenthewriter (talk) 12:44, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

You have hyperlinks in the body of the article (not allowed, either delete or make those into references), and references are just URLs. See Help:Referencing for beginners on ref formatting. As already pointed out, you have a LOT of text not verified by references. Either remove the text or add references. That includes stuff such as Early life and Personal life, which is probably true, but not referenced. David notMD (talk) 14:46, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Marthature, as for Buddy Emmons, the references in that article are vastly better than your references, plus they are formatted correctly. You only have one really good reference, and that is the article in Vintage Guitar. You need more references like that, and you need to eliminate the references that don't mention Black. They are of no value and just tend to irritate the reviewers. Cullen328 (talk) 18:01, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I would like to emphasize that Black meets the notability guideline for musicians that says a musician who has been a reasonably prominent member of two or more independently notable ensembles is presumed notable. Our articles Commander Cody and the Lost Planet Airmen, Asleep at the Wheel and New Riders of the Purple Sage say that he is a past member of all three bands. Cullen328 (talk) 18:25, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

essay

Anyone know how to submit a humouros essay you want to be an internal wiki article like Wikipedia:My little brother did it, Wikipedia:Go ahead, vandalize, Wikipedia:Please be a giant dick, so we can ban you, etc? MoyaiViper (talk) 16:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi MoyaiViper and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you'll find all you need at WP:ENUT and WP:WES plus pages linked from there. Good luck with the writing! Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

looked around but couldn't find how to actually submit them. MoyaiViper (talk) 16:26, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

thanks anyway tho MoyaiViper (talk) 16:26, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I think we had an edit conflict when you were replying and I added WP:WES to my earlier answer. That's the page that covers the "how to submit" part, MoyaiViper Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:29, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

ah i didnt see that, excuse me MoyaiViper (talk) 16:32, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

So i looked some more and couldnt find how to submit. I did find out how to create it well though. thanks for that. Do yu know of anyone who would be able to make it an internal article? MoyaiViper (talk) 18:14, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@MoyaiViper:. You have the draft in your sandbox and in principle it just has to be moved into the correct namespace (i.e. prefix "WP"). However, I would strongly suggest you don't do so. The experienced editor Theroadislong was clearly not impressed when reviewing it, and I have to agree that it's not particularly amusing or useful in its present state. Note that WP:TOOMANYESSAYS points out that you should not repeat ideas/advice that are covered elsewhere, in this case about edit warring. Maybe you would be better trying to improve an existing essay on that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 19:01, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

New Wikipedia Entry

What is required to write a new wikipedia page SchrodingersC (talk) 20:01, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@SchrodingersC for information on writing your first article, please read Help:Your first article. For other information on general Wikipedia editing, Help:Introduction is a good guide. Welcome to Wikipedia :) — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 20:04, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Berrely thanks SchrodingersC (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Editing Ukraine invasion page

On the page 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, the article description has been removed and the introduction has been replaced with a source. I tried to revert it back to normal, but the page has been fully protected. Is this just me who is viewing the page like this or is everyone viewing it without the description and intro? Because no one seems to be noticing on the page. Vamsi20 (talk) 23:06, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for mentioning this, Vamsi20. Fixed. (Previously, Karma1998 had indeed replaced shortdesc with a source, which I presume was unintentional.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:20, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

ed wynn page

just looked up ed wynn because i wanted to know when the mad hatter voice died and the page has the wrong birth date on this being after his death, i don't know when the actor was born, so can someone with a source fix this maybe 146.200.191.164 (talk) 23:29, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. I'm really sorry, but I don't see the error you are referring to. Could you clarify the issue you're seeing, please?

It's usually best if you post suggestions or concerns at the article's talk page, rather than here, We do sometimes see vandalism affecting articles, but I don't see that having happened at this page. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:39, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what error you are seeing. Ed_Wynn says born November 1886, died June 1966. There are citations for both dates. If you think this is not correct, you can start a discussion on the article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 23:41, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Articles

Hi Wikipedia family. How can I add a club uniform to a template in an article about football clubs on Wikipedia? Thanks Good work — Preceding unsigned comment added by EVRRVE. (talk • contribs) 06:00, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

EVRRVE., I find to my surprise that uniforms are programmable; I mean, they can be (and usually/always are) specified in text (using for example colors that themselves are specified in hexadecimal values of red, green, blue) as values for a number of attributes within Template:Infobox football club, which explains what to do. I notice that you're a newish editor; if you're in an ambitious mood, then you're welcome to try all this, but I can't really recommend it: it's probably better for you to start with more humdrum uses of templates and infoboxes; and when you're used to these (which shouldn't take you long), then tackle the specification of club uniforms. -- Hoary (talk) 09:21, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Articles Titles in a Journal: Quotations Needed?

Recently I came across this Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community_of_practice In the References, I noticed the some of the article titles were in quotations, and some were not. (A few book titles even seemed to have double quotations).

What is the correct format for article titles? (I know book titles do not require quotations, but am less certain about article titles.) TNewfields (talk) 09:54, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@TNewfields It seems to me the article is (somewhat inconsistently) using APA style citations. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:03, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Articles about non-Western medical professionals a complete mess compared to Western counterparts

As a fourth year medical student I find a troubling discrepancy of quality between Wikipedia articles of Western and non-Western medical professionals. Is there any ongoing collective initiative to address this issue? Every second or third article about non-Western subjects seem to be a complete mess, significantly smaller content-wise and slapped with years long unresolved tags while their Western counterparts are maintained in proper order. Is there any reason why Wikipedia editors seemingly opt to prioritize one over the other? Toxitrophic (talk) 11:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@Toxitrophic See WP:Systemic bias the English Wikipedia is mostly edited by westerners, specifically Americans, British, Australians, Canadians and other Europeans. There are a significant number of South Asian contributors, but nowhere near enough to balance the overwelming reliance on Western English language sources. I'd suggest you raise this issue at WT:WikiProject Medicine as that's where the editors interested in medicine co-ordinate their efforts. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Toxitrophic. Since users are WP:VOLUNTEERs, they’re free to work on whatever articles they want for the most part. It’s possible that articles about Western medical practitioners are easier to find sources for and thus easier to try and improve than perhaps their non-Western counterparts. There could also be other reasons as explained in WP:SYSTEMATICBIAS. You are of course free to try and improve such articles yourself, but maybe try discussing your concerns at a place like WP:MEDICINE or at other relevant WikiProjects. You might find users who would be willing to help you out. Please also remember that English Wikipedia is only one of many Wikipedias, and it’s possible that some of people you’re referring to have more developed articles on some other language Wikipedia. If they do, then that could provide some ideas on how to improve their articles on English Wikipedia. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:47, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

My bad Toxitrophic. I wasn’t intentionally trying to basically repeat what Dodger67 posted. We were both responding at the same time which caused an edit conflict, and I didn’t catch that I was being fairly redundant until after I clicked “Publish changes”.— Marchjuly (talk) 11:52, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Videogame article image

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § Videogame article image

 – —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:11, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

A bit ago I asked here about uploading a copyrighted image for an article of a videogame, and was told it's allowed as long as the article is in the mainspace (ie, not draft). Said article is now in mainspace, I've gone to upload the image on wikipedia/wikicommons but both times it's done a "make sure you're only uploading this if it's your own work!" of course, is it not my own work, so what is the process for uploading this type of image? -- NotCharizard ^🗨 14:07, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Update: I figured it out! Sorry all. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 14:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Vector 2022 on mobile

Do you know how to use Vector 2022 on mobile but it gets optimize on my screen so the letters aren't small. THE Pizzaplayer!^{TALK TO MEE!!} _contribs 20:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Pizzaplayer219: As far as I know, you can't use Vector on mobile. However, if you go to Settings,you can adjust the font size, as well as turn on "Advanced Mode" which you may or may not want. Advanced Mode takes off certain limitations a mobile device would have without advanced mode.TeddyBearRocker123 ^chat _contribs 15:05, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Bola Ahmed Tinubu Update

Hello I want to make an update to the Bola Ahmed Tinubu Wikipedia Profile, I noticed an anomaly in the Place of Birth. In the Early life section the state is Osun but in the personal details section. the state is Lagos(which is most plausible). Should i make the change SchrodingersC (talk) 19:56, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't see that either place has an associated citation to allow readers to verify the information. This is against policy for biographies of living people. You would be best to raise the issue at Talk:Bola Tinubu and/or try to find a reliable source for his birth place. Note that this article has been repeatedly vandalised regarding his birthdate/age, so beware that this may also be true for his birth place. Thanks for trying to improve the article, SchrodingersC. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:05, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I will do just that thanks. The birth date age argument is ridiculous by the way... it is more of a political propaganda in Nigeria SchrodingersC (talk) 20:11, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@SchrodingersC: Looking at the the associated Wikidata item, it says he was born in the Benin Republic but that has a "this statement has potential issues" tag. It would be great if you could sort it all out properly with sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 20:36, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

SchrodingersC, Hello, and welcome, I echo Michael D. Turnbull very loudly, my very candid advice is not to adjust anything pertaining to his age, place of birth, Infact not touching the article altogether except a consensus is agreed at the TP of the article. The aforementioned is causing a major crisis in the political sector in Nigeria. Celestina007 (talk) 17:21, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

How do I deal with large-scale POV issues?

Hi, not reporting anybody in particular, just want to know what I should do to stop it. I've noticed an editor violating NPOV and creating articles with obvious POV slants, what should I do? BurritoQuesadilla (talk) 05:49, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, BurritoQuesadilla. Check out Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard, which is the proper place to file this kind of report. Cullen328 (talk) 06:36, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

• In addition to what my colleague told you, it is imperative to tell POV from WP:BALANCE it isn’t impossible that the hypothetical editor in question is merely trying to "balance up" an article, if you are very sure it is POV you are dealing with, then yes, please go to WP:RFN. Celestina007 (talk) 16:53, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks @Celestina007@Cullen328. I am certain that it is not a case of balancing as the editor in question was creating new articles with POV issues. I'll lodge a report at the NPOV noticeboard. BurritoQuesadilla (talk) 17:58, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Alright then, feel free to keep asking questions here. Celestina007 (talk) 18:11, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

London Article

Hello! I am a relatively new editor on Wikipedia who would like to work hard to see the London article finally graded as a featured article. However, I am not sure what to work on. I have looked in the article milestones but this article was last assessed in 2008 and I am guessing a lot has changed on the article since then. Should I put it forward for FA review again or is that not the correct route? Thanks for your time Kabiryani (talk) 09:19, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@Kabiryani You can nominate it for FA review. However it can be a fairly arduous process and you as the proposer will be expected to do most of the work. It's a large complex article so you'd better have lots of free time. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 10:10, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dodger67 I am hoping to re-invigorate WikiProject London to assist me with this task but I will definitely be working hard! Thanks for the help. Kabiryani (talk) 12:26, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

London has had literally thousands of edits since the last failed attempt at raising it to FA, so worth a consideration. I suggest you look at Talk Archives 4 and 5 to see comments made when it was being raised to Good Article and last considered for Featured Article. I suggest that before nominating for FA you do a lot of grunt work, including checking every reference, copyediting, deleting trivial content even if referenced, etc. David notMD (talk) 13:01, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I looked at articles about major cities around the world. None currently FA!! Several are GA. Many are B. There is a pattern of city articles being nominated for GA or FA and failing more than once, or even being listed and then delisted. Most are varying degrees of locked, but even with restrictions, there is such a high frequency of edits that can cumulatively cause the articles to degrade in quality, hence delistings. David notMD (talk) 13:12, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I plan to follow the WikiProject Cities guidelines to clear up any obvious problems! I believe Washington DC is a FA but I haven't come across any others. If this article reaches FA status, which I believe should not be too hard due to major contributions back in Wikipedia's golden age, I will keenly watch over the article. Perhaps I will have rollback rights by then! Kabiryani (talk) 14:37, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

You are correct - Washington, D.C. became FA in 2008. It has had 5,000 edits since then - one wonders if it should be reassessed. David notMD (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Isn't there a reassessment system on Wikipedia? After all, featured articles are more likely to be popular articles and are thus more likely to be vandalized. Kabiryani (talk) 16:46, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

FAs are often locked against vandalism by IPs and new accounts, and have Watchers that will revert the worst of errant edits, but that does not prevent good faith edits degrading quality over time. Every so often GAs and FAs need to be sent to review. Which can be abused. Barak Obama became a FA in 2004, survived eleven (!!!) FA reviews before being demoted at the twelfth. So, currently not FA or GA. David notMD (talk) 19:57, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Can I and should I revert a pending change edit?

For example, if I see an edit done by a non-confirmed user that is clearly vandalism on a page with pending protection, can I and should I revert it? ClydeFranklin (talk) 21:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@ClydeFranklin: Welcome and thanks for wanting to fight vandalism. If I understand WP:PC correctly, only editors with the pending changes reviewer right can accept or decline pending changes. The backlog at Special:PendingChanges is short, so a reviewer will get it to soon. RudolfRed (talk) 21:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@ClydeFranklin: Hello! The above is definitely true, but do note that pending changes protection doesn't stop you from reverting on a page. If the vandalism hasn't been accepted yet, your revert will just be the newest edit in the pending changes queue and a reviewer will accept it. If the vandalism is already on the page, same applies and you can revert; a reviewer will get to it shortly after. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 22:06, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

How to make a minor edit?

Hello!How do you make a minor edit? When I go to the edit summary box, it doesn't have a checkbox for "Minor edit". TeddyBearRocker123 ^chat _contribs 20:17, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello TeddyBearRocker123! Were you definitely signed in when you were trying to make the minor edit? Because you cannot tag an edit as minor if you are not signed in, probably intended to cut down fly by night vandals trying to sneak an edit in under the minor flag. If you are signed in, under "Edit summary" there should be written "This is a minor edit" with a tick box. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 21:33, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

But be aware that "minor" here has a special meaning. It means something that cannot possibly in any way be construed to be controversial, something that even the most extreme of editors would see as obviously sensible (for example the correction of an obvious typo). It doesn't just mean "small". I made that mistake several times when I first started editing, and still feel guilty! If in doubt, don't declare the edit to be minor. Elemimele (talk) 21:48, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@LooksGreatInATurtleNeck: I don't see the box under the edit summary. It might be something to do with my preferences though, so I'm going to try that. @Elemimele: Thanks for the advice! I will make sure to apply it in the future.TeddyBearRocker123 ^chat _contribs 01:20, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@TeddyBearRocker123: what device/browser are you using? The minor option is usually not available in mobile view. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:09, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: I'm using a mobile device, so that's probably why.

TeddyBearRocker123 ^chat _contribs 20:17, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@TeddyBearRocker123: you can get desktop either though browser's option, or at the bottom of wikipedia's page. Also, I think you are pressing enter key after your comment, and before your signature. Thats breaking the ping, as well as the indention of the conversation. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:33, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@Usernamekiran: Thanks for the tip! Now I can make a minor edit. Also, I'm not breaking on the signature; I just realized that's been happening. I'm gonna fix it. -TeddyBearRocker123 (talk) 22:13, 16 April 2022 (UTC) 22:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Is Joab Hoisington's Wikipedia page good enough to remove the flag-like messages on it

Some of this article's listed sources may not be reliable.

This biographical article related to the United States military is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. Arfy4545 (talk) 21:08, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@Arfy4545: The tags should remain. Joab Hoisington Is still a stub and it is referencing unreliable sources such as ancestry.com and FamilySearch. RudolfRed (talk) 21:57, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

OK. Thanks. Arfy4545 (talk) 23:00, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

how can i improve this article so that it can be submitted

Draft:Ishaan Barde Yami tan (talk) 17:20, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@Yami tan: Hello. According to the article, Ishsaan Barde's father's name is Kuunal Barde. Then how come he is mentioned as "Ishaan Sheth Barde" in the article? —usernamekiran (talk) 20:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Yami tan, and welcome to the Teahouse. The main answer to how to improve the article is to find some sources each of which is all three of reliably published, wholly independent of Barde, and contains significant coverage of him. Your first reference, to linkedin, is neither reliable nor independent: it is almost never appropriate to cite linkedin in a Wikipedia article. The next three sources are essentially the same article (so it is dishonest to cite them separately), that does not contain significant coverage of Barde, and so does not contribute to establishing notability. After that I got fed up and didn't look at any more sources. Please read verifiability and your first article. ColinFine (talk) 20:55, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@Yami tan, where did you get the information that's in the draft? As the comments in the draft say, info in the draft must be referenced with inline citations. The blue text in those comments are links to more information which should answer your question. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:04, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah ... our wires crossed, abd my answer was basically redundant... 73.127.147.187 (talk) 22:05, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

The rest of the refs are just more go-cart race results, with name-mentions of Barde participating. Clearly not Wikipedia notable. David notMD (talk) 02:12, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Best skin for a screen reader user

Hi everyone, I am completely blind and use a screen reader. While this site is already useable for me, I wanted to learn if any specific skin plays nicer with screen readers than the others, or ones I should avoid. I'm currently using MonoBook, as it seems to be the most compatibility focused. To be clear (and not to insult anyone's intelligence!) this is not a question about font or contrast, but about the best skin to use for this kind of assistive tech. Thanks HueAskew (talk) 02:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Don't mind me, I'm just pinging Graham87, who I know has experience with using screen readers on this site. 97.113.171.180 (talk) 02:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Monobook is the best skin for a blind person. Graham87 04:01, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks very much. HueAskew (talk) 04:02, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

curtiss c 46

How do I add a photo of this plane in Vietnam with a comment Charromy (talk) 00:40, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Charromy If it is a photo you took yourself, then try Wikipedia:File Upload Wizard. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:16, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

What makes a piece of Media notable enough to put in an "In other media" section

I added Ari Folman's film the Congress which references the book The Age of Spiritual Machines to the "In other media" page of the latter. I cited the film's script which mentions the book by name. It was removed because apparently only a secondary source means something is notable enough to add it to the "In other media section." I have seen countless articles where the "In other media" or "In popular culture" section cites only primary sources. Is there anywhere where the rules regarding this are written down or is someone just being overzealous here? HaileJones (talk) 12:52, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

HaileJones, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, It would be a great idea if you attached diffs. Furthermore please always assume good faith, "or is someone just being overzealous here?" isn’t a kind statement. To answer your question, it is indeed important to use secondary reliable sources to substantiate any statement you put on the English Wikipedia, if or not you have observed others doing so is immaterial, what matters is you as an editor doing the right thing. Furthermore sometimes not every detail is needed in an article. Celestina007 (talk) 16:48, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry, what do you mean by diffs? HaileJones (talk) 04:36, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@HaileJones See Help:Diff. GoingBatty (talk) 06:20, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I tried to save my first ever edit, but it doesn't appear on the article page

I read a novel with a character that could appear on this page's list:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_rodents_in_literature

After I carefully keyed in the edit, left the "minor edit" checkbox unchecked, provided a brief summary of my edit, clicked on "show preview" and found my edit on the previewed list, I went back to the edit page and found it was not saved (as warned might happen). So, I visited the article's edit page once more to key in my edit again, left the "minor edit" checkbox unchecked again, and provided the same brief summary before I clicked on "publish changes."

My edit does not appear on the article page list. Is there a lag until the edit is approved by someone? I'm sorry for the trouble but this is literally my first ever edit. Thank you for your patience. Trev Swain (talk) 04:49, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Trev Swain. I am sorry but this edit here at the Teahouse is your first recorded edit to Wikipedia. There are no deleted edits and no edits stopped by an edit filter. You must have failed to publish your previous attempts to edit. Cullen328 (talk) 05:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome. My connection is strong and stable. Trev Swain (talk) 06:13, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Trev Swain: Welcome to the Teahouse. As far as I can tell you haven't made an edit to that page at all. In fact, this question is the only edit you've made so far to Wikipedia. Is your connection stable? I find that tends to be an issue in submitting edits. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:06, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I apologize to you and Cullen328 for replying to Cullen328 with my answer to you. To both of you, I will try to make my edit again. Trev Swain (talk) 06:16, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Trev Swain, about your mention of going "back to the edit page":
Actually, after you click "show preview" and view your changes the edit page will still be there at the bottom of the preview page with your typed summary (and your changes), it's only if you navigate back or close the page that your changes and your edit summary become lost. Hope this helps. – 2804:F14:C060:8A01:FCEC:2577:ADD4:1299 (talk) 05:44, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I gathered that, but thanks for the confirmation. Trev Swain (talk) 06:17, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

To all three who kindly replied to help with what I thought should have been my first edit, I tried again, with success. Thank you. Trev Swain (talk) 06:24, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

This article is an orphan, as no other articles link to it.

In https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Yanai citation needed for my studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder "both his MA in 1970 and PhD in 1971 from the University of Colorado Boulder[citation needed]". I already hyperlinked University of Colorado Boulder why is the page still an Orphan 109.64.3.242 (talk) 07:40, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello 109.64.3.242! When an article is an orphan (click that hyperlink for a more detailed guide) it means there are no links connecting to it from other pages. For instance if it were an actor's page, you'd expect a link to it from at least one of the films/TV shows they had been in. These links leading to an article help to make it more findable. You can check to see what pages link to an article by clicking the "What links here" on the left of their page. The note at the top of that page stating it is an orphan would actually remain regardless of whether the problem it mentions is fixed or not as they are manually removed by editing the article & deleting the Orphan template at the top in {{}}. But you only remove them when the problem they mention is fixed. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 08:26, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Is there a way to preview an article when you are logged in?

When I am not logged in, if I hover over a link, it shows a preview of an article (with an picture and all). But when I am logged in, there is no preview when I hover over a link. Is there a way to change this, so that I can see previews when I am logged in? Lupine453 (talk) 17:57, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, Lupine453. Preferences -> Gadgets-> Navigation Popups. I think I read that there is another alternative, but that's the one I use. ColinFine (talk) 18:05, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Improvements requested for draft Septimius Awards

Hello Liz contacted me and suggested I join Teahouse. So i have created a draft for Teahouse, let me know if have any suggestions or improvements? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Septimius_Awards Please feel free to edit the article and suggest edits? Evagirl1991 (talk) 12:14, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello everyone, i tried creating a draft page for Septimius Awards but it was suddenly deleted by User:Yamla with no explanation? What is going on, how can I improve the article if I can't create a draft page? Evagirl1991 (talk) 12:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Evagirl1991 Hello. Wikipedia is not a place to merely tell about something. A Wikipedia article about an event must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the event, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable event. Please read Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 13:10, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Evagirl1991. If you go to the original draft page, you will find the explanation, which is that the draft was considered "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". Promotion of any kind is not permitted on Wikipedia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:34, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Septimius Awards was Speedy deleted under section G11 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page seems to be unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view and would need to be fundamentally rewritten in order to become encyclopedic. On your Talk page you mentioned that there are non-English references supportiing Septimius as notable. Non-English references are allowed. David notMD (talk) 14:35, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

thank you david, i did not know that Non-English references are allowed.

please create a draft page for Septimius Awards and i will add the notable Non-English references? For example the Times of Vietnam posted an entire article about our event. Evagirl1991 (talk) 14:54, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Evagirl1991 If this is your event, please read WP:COI and WP:PAID for information on disclosures you may need to make. 331dot (talk) 15:01, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts are here to advise, but not to be co-authors. David notMD (talk) 17:15, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

On Talk, you have repeatedly denied having an connection to the topics you write about, yet above, you wrote "...about our event." Please explain. David notMD (talk) 17:49, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

hello david, sorry english is not my first language, i mean my article that i created for the event, this is something i would like to add. i had no idea Non-English references were aloud.

please help me? Evagirl1991 (talk) 18:13, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Evagirl1991. You have said repeatedly that there are many articles about the event, but you haven't given any details. Please give us citations (author, publication, publisher, date, title, link if available) to the three best sources you have: The sources don't have to be in English, but each of them must be reliably published - that is, published by an organ with a reputation for fact-checking and editorial control; independent - not written or published by anybody connected with the event, and not based on an interview or press release; and containing WP:significant coverage of the event, not just mentioning its name or giving dates. ColinFine (talk) 19:54, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Edit Hyperlinks (names, images, etc)

Hello all. I made an edit to an article that contains a list (added a book title, author name, and brief description):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fictional_rodents_in_literature

I notice that when I hover over the default hyperlinks, the identity of another more famous person with the same name appears in a small preview box. The same goes for the cover of the novel. I searched, but the author does not have a WP article associated with his name. I considered uploading the book's cover, but I don't own the copyright. I learned I can upload it under another (non-CC license). Would someone please advise as to the best license in such a case? Thanks to all who reply, in advance. Trev Swain (talk) 06:38, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Trev Swain, if a book cover is copyright (under a non-CC license), and the copyright isn't yours, then the only way you may upload it is to claim fair use for this or that article. This will not be possible for a mere item in a list. So you may not upload it. -- Hoary (talk) 09:32, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, Hoary. Trev Swain (talk) 20:50, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

User name and display name.

Somehow my display turned out as 1st letter capital. How can I change it to have proper Case?

Thanks! Dhavalpawar (talk) 22:24, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

MediaWiki automatically capitalises the first letter of every username. This is a technical limitation. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:26, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

• Dhavalpawar, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, what Jéské Couriano is apt, the first letter is indeed always automatically made to be capitalized, we are sorry if this makes you feel bad, but this is beyond our control. Celestina007 (talk) 22:34, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Dhavalpawar. You can create a custom signature that displays your username in all lower case if you want. Please see Wikipedia:Signatures#Customizing your signature for details. Cullen328 (talk) 00:52, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

You can also use the DISPLAYNAME magic word. This is what I do on my user page. As for usernames, that's not possible. Cool guy (talk • contribs) • he/they 18:19, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cranloa12n, your user page has "Displaytitle", not "Displayname". Does the difference matter? And you have customized your sig too, it looks like. Right? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 07:06, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

K Cool guy (talk • contribs) • he/they 13:43, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dhavalpawar: Hi. magic word is a bit unnecessary. Like Cullen328 suggested above, customising the signaature is better. I customised my signature as soon as I found out about it. My signature also has been always lowercase, my current signature is very simplistic though. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:04, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi :)

How can I contribute :) Lazap (talk) 20:40, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Lazap, Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, the best way to contribute for now is to learn, please read WP:TUTORIAL & WP:GETTINGSTARTED. Celestina007 (talk) 20:44, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

There are more than six million articles in English Wikipedia. All of them can be improved. Look at articles for which you are already familiar. For example, your high school or your town/city. David notMD (talk) 21:26, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks :) Lazap (talk) 22:28, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

What are the tips to remember before writing an article for a businessman/entrepreneur.

Please anyone tell me what is the writing process to write a good article for a businessman/entrepreneur. And yes he has notable content on the google news websites. Abdalla AlShamsi1 (talk) 15:55, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Abdalla, and welcome to the Teahouse. The main thing to remember is that you are not writing an article for the businessman, but an article about him. What he has said, done, created, or published are almost irrelevant unless they have been written about by people wholly unconnected with him in reliable sources. Furthermore, whether he wants there to be an article, and what he wants such an article to contain or not to contain, are totally irrelevant. Please start by reading about notability, and make sure you can find the reliable sources, wholly independent of him, that are essential to establish that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. If you can't find these, give up, because you will be wasting your time. If you can, then please read your first article.

Having said that, I would warn you that creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, and editors who try it before they have several weeks or months of solid experience of improving existing articles usually have a frustrating and disappointing experience.

One final comment: new editors who come here, and immediately try to create an article about a person (or a company, or a band) very often have a conflict of interest. What is your connection with the businessman? ColinFine (talk) 16:18, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

• Abdalla AlShamsi1, hello there, I see you have already received an answer from ColinFine, who is one of the most advanced Teahouse editors, and whilst they have given you an extensive response, as they already asked you, I would like for you to indicate what sort of relationship you have with this business man, how do you know them? These are extremely important questions you should answer honestly if you want any form of help from us. Celestina007 (talk) 20:51, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

A different problem: You created Draft:Abdalla Alshamsi, which was Speedy deleted. So either you were trying to create an article about yourself (see WP:AUTO for why this is a bad idea), of you have chosen as your User name a person you want to create an article about. Which? David notMD (talk) 21:24, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Abdalla AlShamsi1, let's have a look at (deleted) Draft:Abdalla Alshamsi:

"Besides having leadership and entrepreneurship skills in his business he has also had a personal lavish lifestyle in which he owns many costliest and most unique stuff like exotic cars, villas, watches etc.

"Abdalla Alshamsi owns Richard Mille RM 17-01 Tourbillon Carbon TPT watch and its price is $493,000 which equals 3,73,38,562.85 INR and 18,10,789.00 AED."

The reference provided for his ownership of this "Richard Mille RM 17-01 Tourbillon Carbon TPT watch" was sanjana. "Abdalla Alshamsi - The famous Businessman from Dubai who owns RM 17-01 watch worth $493,000". Asianet News Network Pvt Ltd. Retrieved 2022-04-16.. The latter, awestruck web page is described as "By Team MyNation"; and it ends "The watch is handcrafted with uncompromising workmanship & artistry inspired by the deep engineering methods used in the designing of Formula 1 racing cars. It is made for those who deserves [sic] it, so for its [sic] obvious reasons it is with Abdalla Alshamsi." And then there are a couple of links, and finally "Disclaimer: This is a [sic] featured content". I wonder what "featured" here means. "Paid", perhaps? Anyway, what "his business" is, and what his "leadership and entrepreneurship skills" in this are seem more important to me than how he chooses to distribute his personal wealth. Yet the claim in the draft that he's "a UAE-based famed entrepreneur and businessman" failed to specify what the business was, and cited "Abdalla Alshamsi a self-made man with magnificent signature lifestyle". Deccan Herald. 2022-04-11. Retrieved 2022-04-16.. Again, we read "This article is part of a featured content programme." And (perhaps in part because it too doesn't bother to say what it is that finances this "magnificent signature lifestyle") some here are sure to find it an amusing read, but hardly the stuff that Wikipedia articles can be based on. -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Forgot Password

Hi, I forgot the password of my account and I did not put an email when I created it so I cannot reset my password. My account is relatively new, I created it less than a month ago. What do I do? 67.173.50.123 (talk) 00:23, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Create a new account. On its user page, say that you were previously [old username]. On the user page of the old account, say that you are now [new username]. -- Hoary (talk) 00:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP editor. I'm really sorry, but if you did not give a 'reset email address', then if you have forgotten your password, there is no way to reaccess your account. The only option is then to create a new account, but you can always leave a comment on the old account to say that it is linked to the new one. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 00:52, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Search history includes internet searches

My nephew did some searching he should not have done online, and much to my dismay, it seems to be permanently stored in my Wikipedia search history. Can anyone help me delete the search history on Wikipedia? I would be most grateful. Navyvet1963 (talk) 06:09, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello,

Have you tried clearing your cookies and cache? Do keep in mind that this does log you out of most sites. Cheers, Heart ^(talk) 06:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Navyvet1963. Did you allow your nephew to log in under your account? If so, you made a major error because accounts are for one person only, cannot be shared, and each account holder is responsible to use secure passwords. I have been married for over 40 years and my wife knows my passwords to many websites. But she has no idea of my Wikipedia password. As for the notion of a "search history", that does not exist on Wikipedia although it may exist on your browser. Wikipedia keeps track of every edit that an account makes. It does not keep track of the articles that anybody searches for and reads. Cullen328 (talk) 06:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. My nephew wasn't on Wikipedia, but things he searched showed up on my Wikipedia search. I am going to delete cookies to see if that helps. I appreciate your reply. Navyvet1963 (talk) 03:09, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Clearing cookies now. Thank you! Navyvet1963 (talk) 03:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Navyvet1963. I don't think the situation you're describing is possible since I don't think there's any connection to your what you search for on Wikipedia and what you search for using external search engines. Perhaps, you mean that your nephew somehow gained access to your Wikipedia account and used it to make some (inappropriate) edits? If that's the case, then that is certainly a serious problem which might lead to your account being blocked indefinitely. Account passwords aren't supposed to be shared among different people and it's the responsibility of the user who creates the account to make sure that doesn't happen. There's really no way to delete an account's contributions history since such a record is required for Wikipedia's licensing purposes; so, unfortunately the best that you can do is to do your uptmost to make sure that your nephew doesn't gain access to your account again. The only edit you've made so far with this "Navyvet1963" account has been your post here at the Teahouse; so, I guess this account would be considered "clean" so to speak. Assuming it was another Wikipedia account that your nephew accessed, you may have no choice other than to abandon that account and either stick with this one or create another account to use for your Wikipedia editing. The account your nephew was using (if that's what happened) could most likely be locked by an adminsitrator so that nobody can use it. You could then add a link to your old account to the user page of your new account so that other can see the edits you made with the abandoned account. I'm not an administrator, but there are many Teahouse hosts who are and perhaps one of them will be better explain what your options in a case like this. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Navyvet1963 (talk) 03:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I think what Navyvet1963 may be referring to are the items that appear in the dropdown when one clicks in the Wikipedia search box. These are stored in your browser, so deleting your cookies should get rid of them. (You will then need to log in again.) It's good practice to delete your cookies from time to time.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:08, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you so much. Navyvet1963 (talk) 03:06, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

You are so right, and I appreciate your help. Thank you. Navyvet1963 (talk) 03:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Editing the Wiki Meta page

I was trying to translate the Wiki Meta page. At first it was showing that there is some error and when the error text went away I'm not getting the publish option. Phospheness (talk) 09:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Phospheness Please provide a link to the page you are trying to edit and explain what error you are seeing. You do not appear to have made any edits to Meta or Wikipedia:Meta. Shantavira|^{feed me} 10:53, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello again. The link to the Wiki Meta Translate page: https://meta.m.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Translate&group=Centralnotice-tgroup-WFHR2022&language=en&filter=%21translated&action=translate

Thank you. Phospheness (talk) 11:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

How can I make a new article?

There's a highly acclaimed indie film not being given an article called The Toll (2021). How can I make one for it? Youngbloodpriest912 (talk) 12:22, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Youngbloodpriest912. Please take a look at WP:42 because it gives a general overview of what is usually needed to create a Wikipedia article about something. Then, you're going to want to take a look at Wikipedia:Notability (films) because that pages goes into more detail about what it tends to take to create an article about a motion picture. Finally, you can find editors who might be able to offer you further advice at Wikipedia:WikiProject Film. The members of that WikiProject will probably be able to tell you whether an article about the film could be created, and more importantly whether it would survive a deletion challenge. It will make no difference who creates such an article and how well written it is if the film doesn't meet one of Wikipedia's notability guidelines. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:39, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Removing vandalism on talk page

Hi! I came across two cases of vandalism on the this talk page of a BLP. I was wondering if it was possible to remove such cases by editing the talk page. Toofllab (talk) 13:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

An experienced editor has already reverted the addition on the basis that WP:NOTAFORUM and that the addition was not in English. You can do the same sort of reversion when necessary, Toofllab. It's usually best to use the article history to revert, not by making an edit on the page which removes other editor's entry (see WP:TALK). Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay, got it. Thanks! Toofllab (talk) 13:35, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Toofllab, I agree that they were inappropriate and that their removal was appropriate. As said above, another editor has removed the pair, but not because they were vandalism. They weren't vandalism. I'm sure that you have good intentions, but an understanding of what is and isn't vandalism is needed before removing comments as "vandalism". More generally, please see this. While you're still uncertain of what you should do and therefore hesitant to revert, do please report talk page edits that you think should be reverted: experienced editors will take over. -- Hoary (talk) 13:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Article about Jürgen von Stietencron is notable?

Hi there, I would like to write an article about Jürgen von Stietencron, who was an influential violin maker. Born in Ascona (IT) c. 1928, died in Hegne (DE) c. 2021, he translated one of the most important books for violin-making of the 1970ies, SACCONI´s "The secrets of Stradivari" into German, from 1988 to 2005 he held masterclasses at Musica Riva (now Ticino Music festival). How to prove the notability of a Wikipedia article on that topic? Andreas Hampel (talk) 14:48, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Andreas Hampel: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please take a look at WP:BIO which states, "A person is presumed to be notable if they have received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." --The Tips of Apmh 14:53, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Teahouses and treehouses

Say why is it called the teahouse instead of treehouse Quident (talk) 12:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Quident, Wikipedia:Teahouse is a place to ask questions regarding editing and using Wikipedia. However, if you are really curious, back in the day, Teahouses (cafes but tea) were the place of discussion. Teahouses served a major role in the French Revoulution, and they helped transmit certain information to the masses. Treehouses are fun, yes, but Wikipedia, is a encyclopedia, not a place to joke around.

However!

If you truly want to have fun here, go to Wikipedia: Department of Fun, or try editing or creating articles on your favorite topics~!

Signing off,

Regards, Narutmaru . To contact me, visit my Talk Page. 12:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narutmaru (talk • contribs)

thanks Quident (talk) 15:07, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Question on article talk page redirect

I just completed expanding the article The Young Pioneers (miniseries), and then went to what I assumed was the article's Talk page, to upgrade the article from Stub to Start. After completing the upgrade I noticed I was actually at Talk:The Young Pioneers, and that there was a notice of a Redirect from Talk:The Young Pioneers (miniseries). I find that quite awkward, as it's difficult to get from that redirected Talk page back to the article I'd just worked on. Am I allowed to try and figure how to remove that redirect, or should I first ask on the Talk page if anyone objects to me removing it? There is Young Pioneers (novel), Young Pioneers (film), and Young Pioneers' Christmas, and they all seem to have their own Talk pages, so I have no idea what the redirect is all about. Karenthewriter (talk) 02:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Karenthewriter! In general, non-controversial modification of redirects (maintenance, retargeting to section, etc) is perfectly fine and you can go ahead and remove the redirect. Every article should have its own Talk page so it would be the correct action in this case. -Liance^{talk/contribs} 05:58, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Liance thank you for your reply. I made my first attempt to end the redirect, but that task seems to be above my skill set. I'll need to do some research, and try again later. Karenthewriter (talk) 11:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Update – some good people who are much smarter than I am deleted the unnecessary redirect for me. Thank you to all who helped out with their editing skills. Karenthewriter (talk) 15:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Are Basil and Raiden brothers?

Are they? 22:07, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP. If you are having trouble understanding a Wikipedia article, please specify which article it is. -- Hoary (talk) 22:41, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Alternatively, you could post your question on the article's talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 15:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Moving the content of my user/sandbox into a draft

Hello everybody,

I have been editing on articles for a while and last year I started a new article in my sandbox User:Yeti-Hunter/sandbox. Basically it´s a stub about an offshore supply ship which is actually to be converted to the new oceanographic research vessel of the Schmidt Ocean Institute. So far I am done and ready to move it. But I am struggeling with the Move of the content to a draft page because the name convention for ships requestes that the name is in italics like R/V Falkor (too) and worse the name of the converted vessel contains two characters ( ) which might cause even more trouble to me. So, my question is now. Should I fill in the Displaytitle-template with the name of the vessel {{DISPLAYTITLE:xyz}} aka the MagicWord, and add this template in the very first line above the infobox inside my sandbox content? Or should it be placed when I create a draftpage. I already tried something like this but I got a error message because the real vessel name does not fit to the naming convention for article names. I really apprechiate your help and I am looking forward to your advices.Yeti-Hunter (talk) 16:02, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Yeti-Hunter: Welcome to the Teahouse. I wouldn't worry about determining the formatting of a draft page; if you add {{subst:submit}} to the top, a reviewer will change it accordingly if it's accepted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Question regarding the front page

I'm no longer seeing the portal quick links, and it doesn't look like any alternative css page styles are available, so the change is probably not due to something on my end. If there's a better spot to ask just reply with the link, I tried somewhere else earlier that didn't work (was reverted apparently) and the talk page you're normally supposed to use is locked, so this seemed like the best bet, thanks. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C4CC:81EC:7705:1FBC (talk) 15:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

The portal link is now lower on the Main Page, in the "Other Areas of Wikipedia" section. RudolfRed (talk) 16:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, guess I've gotten lazy (ctrl+f usually works to find things that go missing), should've done a manual check before asking. Alright not quite as convenient, but I only use them infrequently anyway, and let's face it, front-end design really isn't my thing, though IMHO the front page probably could use an overhaul, thanks for the pointer. 2601:5CC:8300:A7F0:C4CC:81EC:7705:1FBC (talk) 16:36, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Edits on a page required to stem bullying.

Hi Guys, A person known to me, has kids that are receiving abuse because of some written things on this page. The items written are irrelevant to the very old page but are having a serious impact regarding these children. Who can I talk to to make some small edits to stave off this abuse?

Yours, with thanks in advance Dan Danhobbs (talk) 02:36, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

hi Danhobbs! what article would you like to change? you could perhaps add a edit request to change the article and get feedback on your proposed edits if you feel like you're personally connected to them. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Danhobbs.If you're worried about posting anything more specific on a public page like the Teahouse (because of concerns like this and this), you should take a look at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons#Relationship between the subject, the article, and Wikipedia and try to follow the advice given there. There are various ways to discuss your concerns off-Wikipedia so to speak via email, and perhaps once of them might work for you. One thing you might want to try and avoid is repeatedly trying to edit the article in question since that actually can have an undesired effect and may actually lead to your account being blocked if the editing is somehow mistaken for disruption. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Seconding this. This is very likely a situation where the VRT should be contacted by emailing info-en-o[at]wikimedia.org, as they can handle this with the discretion required (since making any such edit yourself, as Marchjuly said, defeats the purpose of those edits). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 09:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi All, Understood and thank you. I had previously emailed 'Aspects' and asked for advice and didn't get a response. Best Wishes, Dan. Danhobbs (talk) 17:07, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Why

What does contributing That guy in the corner of the room (talk) 01:18, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, That guy in the corner of the room. You have to do your best to make sense if you want to get an answer that makes sense. So far, you seem to be speaking nonsense, which is unproductive. Cullen328 (talk)

First, Welcome to Wikipedia. Teahouse is a place where experienced editors will answer questions about how to edit.Looks like you started to pose a question, then hit Publish changes and never came back to finish. Second, Wikipedia is NOT a place to chat with other editors. Your one word postings ("Hi") on several editors' Talk pages have been deleted. David notMD (talk) 12:47, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

• That guy in the corner of the room, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, I see you have gotten responses from Cullen328, & David notMD, who make up two of four leadership figures here at the Teahouse (including Nick Moyes & 331dot), It seems you have made them irate which is very much unusual, I haven’t seen anything yet but could you read WP:CTW, WP:GETTINGSTARTED & WP:TUTORIAL before making any further edits? Celestina007 (talk) 17:13, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

  Ok That guy in the corner of the room (talk) 18:23, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

Fwi: User:That guy in the corner of the room has been indef'd for WP:NOTHERE --Isro! ^chatter 18:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Georgios_Mikellides

How to submit this for publication? Ieromaxos (talk) 10:23, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Ieromaxos Draft:Georgios Mikellides has been submitted to AfC for review. There is a backlog of drafts submitted. The system is not a queue, so a Reviewer could select your draft in the coming days, weeks, or months. David notMD (talk) 11:04, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

In looking at the history of the draft, it has been declined several times in the past. These Declined notifications must remain with the draft. I have restored those. The continuing reason for the draft being declined is that the great majority of the text and referencing is about his publications, presentations, panel discussions, etc. What is missing is what people not connected to him have published about him. David notMD (talk) 11:18, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

The draft appears to be a translation from an existing article at Greek Wikipedia. Each country's Wikipedia has different standards for tone and referencing, so what is accepted in Greek does not necessarrily apply to English. David notMD (talk) 11:28, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

If it's a translation, it must be marked as such (see Help:Translation). This is not only a matter of good manners and good sourcing; it's a matter of conforming with WP's own copyright, that text can be used freely but must be attributed. Ieromaxos, please check the help on translation linked above, and make sure that you're conforming with requirements. Good luck with the article. Elemimele (talk) 12:59, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

thank you, for this actually , it was written in English first and the English text was used as a basis to be translated in Greek, so the original version is in English, in the texts which has been referenced a lot is what the media used as information coming from dr mikellides, so in a way, see reference number 2 for e.g is what the cyprus mail reporter has said about him Ieromaxos (talk) 14:11, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

@David notMD, @Ieromaxos... the phrasing sure sounds like a translation. Several sentences are not grammatically correct. If I had time, I would do some copyediting. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 09:01, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ieromaxos Hi there! I see you uploaded the photo of Mikellides as your own work. What is your relationship with Mikellides? GoingBatty (talk) 06:26, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

For a start, delete all mention and referencing to talks he has given, interviews, conference he has spoken at, panel discussions, etc., etc. All that is inconsequential. David notMD (talk) 14:38, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

is this subjective to each reviewer for some it could be ok and for some not? I confused, :) Ieromaxos (talk) 15:39, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Ieromaxos I am not a reviewer. My advice is based on my understanding of what can establish notability and what does not. A Wikipedia article is not a presentation of everything that is in a person's CV. David notMD (talk) 19:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Question

Why does the Wikipedia not pay its editors to write and edit the articles? As a professor I have always written articles and been paid for them so maybe I do not understand. The140IQProfessor (talk) 18:58, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello! Thats rather simple actually, Wikipedia is a community project. We edit for spreading information. We do not edit for financial gain. Paid Editing is actually banned on wikipedia to allow for a non-biased experience. Nobody needs to edit on wikipedia, we do it because we want to. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

PerryPerryD Au contraire, paid editing is not banned. See WP:PAID. What is required is that paid editors declare their status on their Talk pages. Employees of a company or a person may be asked to create a draft, or choose to, even if not asked - both count as paid editing, requiring disclosure. There are also freelance editors who offer to create drafts. Again, disclosure. Undeclared paid editing is grounds for editors being blocked. As to why Wikipedia does not pay? Because that works. In English Wikipedia alone there are more than six million articles (of widely varying quality), many the work of scores of editors each striving to improve the quality of the articles without being paid. David notMD (talk) 20:12, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Verywell Mind

Hi. I have a question: why is Verywell Mind not considered a reliable source? I was trying to add some information to an article using this website as my source, and apparently the verywellmind.com domain is blacklisted. I don't really understand why and I couldn't find any explanation for it. The website seems to contain reliable, medically peer-reviewed information. Castlepalace 20:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Castlepalace: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you look at the Dotdash entry on perennial reliable sources and this discussion, the domain has been blacklisted for persistent abuse, and they have to be whitelisted before use. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Source List (asking again)

I have asked this but the answers were not what I expected. I saw a list of sources for each topic but I do not know where they are located. Oixyplanet (talk) 02:34, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Oixyplanet. You need to be more specific with your questions. List of sources for which topic? How can we help you if you do not identify the topic or the specific article? How can any Teahouse host help uou unless you provide this basic in information? Cullen328 (talk) 05:13, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

I believe to have found it on my own already. It seems that each WikiProject has a list of sources to its respective topic, which was what I was looking for. Oixyplanet (talk) 21:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Artist Discography page not approved?

Hi! I am trying to create a page for a singer/songwriter that has been on 2 TV shows, in articles such as Billboard, E News, Entertainment Tonight, Grammys, and more... The actual biography page is still under review, but the discography page was already declined... Any tips? Kenwshew (talk) 21:43, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Kenwshew, hello there and welcome to the Teahouse, To be honest, the only tip which unfortunately may not be the answer is to learn first, I can point you to WP:NALBUM or WP:MUSICBIO and there you’d definitely find some help, but that would be bot like, rather I’m offering you an uncomfortable truth, I know how annoying, saddening or disheartening not getting what you want is, trust me I do, I note your account is barely 6 months old, what you want to do is first to understand how notability works, read WP:GNG, WP:MUSICBIO & WP:RS, there’s a lot more to learn than the aforementioned, but generally I tell editors trying to create articles that if they have an idea of WP:GNG & WP:RS worked they would solved half their problems. Furthermore you can have a conversation with the AFC editor who declined the article, ask them what their concerns were, sometimes you can learn a lot from working with the declining editor than asking for general help here. Furthermore why does the discography need a whole separate article that can’t be included in the biographical article? Celestina007 (talk) 21:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Requesting an Admin to intervene in a talk page discussion

Dear Teahouse,

There have been many issues regarding possible stonewalling on a living person's WP article Talk Page. Please check that on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Patrisse_Cullors, two editors who frequently edit articles together, as can be confirmed by reviewing their Talk Pages, have refused any addition to the primary, protected article over recent allegations of nonprofit funds misuse by Mrs. Cullors. The issue here is not the use of non-RS, like Fox News or Daily Mail, but after several acknowledged RS surfaced in the past few days, such as The Independent, NY Mag, Jezebel, Snopes, and others, these two editors still refuse by claiming that this same RS previously did not consider Mrs. Cullors culpable. They further try to deflect any addition by claiming only the nonprofit Mrs. Cullors led should bear any additions these RS might bring since, in their own words, "this is a smear campaign."

We require a neutral Admin, not related to this article, that will look at this situation. I believe this is a clear case of WP:STONEWALLING and WP:TAGTEAM. Please help us with the following steps to take.

Thanks for your time.

108.34.231.7 (talk) 02:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

• This seems to be a case of forum shopping. This IP editor hasn't been able to build consensus on talk in a timely manner (roughly 24 hours ago) so they've applied both to dispute resolution and to this worthy forum. I encourage the editor to stick with one helping venue; choose. The editor does seem to be trying to improve their sources but is meeting strong arguments from experienced and BLP-knowlegeable editors that the requester here is doing some original synthesis. BusterD (talk) 03:34, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

  Hi BusterD, what would you say about the experienced editor, as you mentioned, who has hounded me, gone to my IP's Talk Page and posted two warnings, and responded to all my suggestions in an aggressive manner? Would this be appropriate from an experienced editor? Not only that, but only two editors are stonewalling this issue on that Talk Page. If you look across the Talk Page, more editors are commenting otherwise. So this is not a case of me alone vs. two experienced editors. I am the one who is requesting a neutral look from outside since many, many RS have mentioned these very recent accusations. These two editors have made plenty of changes/edits to that article and, after protection was granted, are guarding this person's article and accusing all those RS of being part of an "orchestrated smear campaign." This goes against WP:NEUTRAL. 108.34.231.7 (talk) 05:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

  I would say we have that sort of discussion on the talk page and wait a reasonable period of time (certainly more than one day) before going to multiple venues to complain about what seems (to you) unreasonable treatment (and what seems to them a BLP violation). I will say no more on this subject here; this is the wrong place to discuss on the merits. BusterD (talk) 05:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Administrators cannot use their admin tools to intervene in a content dispute unless there are serious conduct issues at play. Disagreeing vehemently with the people on opposing sides of the dispute is not a serious conduct issue. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 04:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. I am an administrator so I took a look and what I see is a content dispute, and administrators do not adjudicate content disputes. It is obvious that this particular dispute relates to the critically important policy Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons which says Biographies of living persons ("BLPs") must be written conservatively and with regard for the subject's privacy. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid: it is not Wikipedia's job to be sensationalist, or to be the primary vehicle for the spread of titillating claims about people's lives; the possibility of harm to living subjects must always be considered when exercising editorial judgment and also A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction. For individuals who are not public figures; that is, individuals not covered by Public figures, editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed, or is accused of having committed, a crime, unless a conviction has been secured. If different judicial proceedings result in seemingly contradictory outcomes that do not overrule each other include sufficient explanatory information. In this case, there are allegations of of inappropriate real estate purchases. Without expressing any opinion about the best way to describe this issue, or whether to mention it at all, I will say that perhaps two separate real estate transactions are at issue, and that one was made by an organization and the other by the individual in question, possibly using her own funds. The policy issue is that, unless misconduct has been proven by a court of law, there is a very high threshold to even mentioning such allegations. Any mention of this matter must accurately and neutrally summarize what high quality reliable sources say about the dispute. Coverage from unreliable sources should not influence the content discussions in any way, shape or form. Any editor who "grinds an axe" to advance an effort to smear a living person should be aware that they are at imminent risk of a block. Cullen328 (talk) 04:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Admin Cullen328, thanks for replying. Regarding the "smear campaign" accusation by two editors who frequently edit together (as seen by their Talk Page), they are accusing the recent RS of having orchestrated said smear campaign, not a particular editor. So, in essence, NY Mag, The Independent, Snopes, and Jezebel, to name a few, are part of such a campaign. Regarding WP:BLP, while your point is very understandable, the question would be how and when to include direct accusations by RS. The request is to do so in a neutral manner. The issue is that these two editors prevent the mere mention of this. Many RS' with inline citations could be used for a neutral sentence or two. Nevertheless, if I misunderstand WP's policy and all BLPs must avoid accusations even when sourced to several RS, I would humbly ask why many BLPs do not conform to this and do document what RS' say? Mainly in politicized issues, a public figure such as Mrs. Cullors being directly pointed at by RS' such as NY Mag, The Independent, Snopes, and Jezebel for sure can have a mention, to use your words, and accurately and neutrally summarize what has transpired in the past few days. I agree with that. Apologies for any misunderstanding, but I would like to reiterate that we are only trying to use RS'. We are not pushing for specific verbiage but for including "something." We just want to follow WP:BLPPUBLIC and simply document what these (multiple RS) sources say. Thank you for helping. 108.34.231.7 (talk) 05:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

IP number, you write we are only trying to use RS'. We are not pushing for specific verbiage but for including "something." We just want to follow WP:BLPPUBLIC and simply document what these (multiple RS) sources say. Why the first person plural? -- Hoary (talk) 05:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi editor Hoary, I would say a mix of not being a native English speaker and the fact that there are other editors in said Talk Page pushing for the documentation of what these multiple RS' state. If you look through the Talk Page, you will easily find other editors on the same vein. If you would prefer me to tag them here, and it is allowed, let me know. Thanks. 108.34.231.7 (talk) 06:03, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, Hoary asks a very relevant question. Is your use of "we" an indication that you are part of a multi-person effort to smear Cullors here on Wikipedia? If that is the case, please consider yourself informed that coordinated defamatory editing is forbidden and may well lead to blocks. This is not the venue to discuss in detail what reliable sources say about Cullors. There are many forms of dispute resolution available to you short of escalation to this noticeboard. When you come here, your own behavior will come under scrutiny. So, again, I advise you to follow WP:BLP policy scrupulously, and be very cautious about inserting any unproven allegations into a biography of a living person. Comments about unproven allegations by reliable sources who may have "report on gossip and innuendo" as parts of their business models do not necessarily justify the inclusion of innuendo into biographies in this encyclopedia. Our inclusions standards are deliberately much more conservative than that. Cullen328 (talk) 06:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Editor Cullen328, I now understand after you explained it. The former editor's manner seemed very aggressive. I originally meant me and the other editors in the Talk Page who have espoused for inclusion of a neutral sentence or two from a RS. As an example, but won't be tagging this editor here to avoid canvassing, editor MrPorpoise. Please check his many messages in the same Talk Page and how the same two editors are engaging in WP:TAGTEAM. If you review these editor's Talk Pages you would see they tend to edit articles together. Is there any way to report this? Thanks. 108.34.231.7 (talk) 01:17, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, this is a collaborative project so noticing two editors collaborating is unremarkable and is not evidence in itself of any sort of misconduct. Please be aware that WP:TAGTEAM is an essay expressing the opinions of one or more editors, but it is not a policy or a guideline. These are two highly experienced editors, each with years or over a decade of experience and tens of thousands of edits. In my opinion, those two editors understand the importance and applicability of WP:BLP policy much better than you do at this time. You could file a report at the Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents but you must inform those two editors and you must provide compelling evidence. Please also be aware that your own conduct will be scrutinized as well as the conduct of the two editors you report. If you want to read another essay, then I recommend WP:BOOMERANG. Cullen328 (talk) 01:53, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Last edit not published

Hello

My last edit has not been published or declined, I think it was in April 2021 but unsure. I had added a table. I cannot see any comments so could you please advise what stage it is at?

Thank you

Nalini AwesomeAubergine (talk) 04:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@AwesomeAubergine: Welcome to the Teahouse. What edit to which page are you talking about? I see you've been working on Global Girmit Museum, which has been accepted as an article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I edited this page by including a table of other related museums? Was that not received? AwesomeAubergine (talk) 04:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

AwesomeAubergine, your most recent edit to Global Girmit Museum was at 09:36, August 7, 2021 (UTC). Neither that edit nor your preceeding edits added a table. Perhaps you forgot to click the blue "Publish changes" button when you were working on the table. Cullen328 (talk) 04:56, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

will revisit..thanks AwesomeAubergine (talk) 05:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi AwesomeAubergine. If you check your Help:User contributions, you see a record of pretty much every edit that you've made (even if the edit was subsequently reverted by another user) with your account up until now. The only ones you'll no longer be able to see are edits made to pages that no longer exist (i.e. pages that have been deleted). According to your contributions history, the last edit you made to Global Girmit Museum was in August 2021. If you're trying find out what happened with respect to a different earlier edit you made to that article, you can search through the page history for the article. Perhaps the edit you made was subsequently reverted or modified for some reason, and you should be able to find this out by looking at the article's page history. If, by chance, you mistakenly logged out or otherwise had Internet connection issues before you could save your edit by clicking "Publish changes", then that edit is, unfortunately, gone forever since the software didn't keep a record of it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:06, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you! AwesomeAubergine (talk) 05:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

OK AwesomeAubergine. It looks like many of the early edits you made to article needed to be revision deleted because they were considered too inappropriate to even keep a record of in the article's page history. You can see this by all of the early edits that were struckthrough up until July 18, 2021. When something like this happens, it usually because content that was deemed to be a copyright violation was added to the article (for example, content copied and pasted from some external website directly into the article). If the table you added to the article was basically a copied and pasted version of a table appearing on some other website, then it was likely removed as well. A message about this was left on your user talk page at User talk:AwesomeAubergine#Wikipedia and copyright; so, perhaps that explains what happened to your edit and why you can't see what it was. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:16, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

School project

So what is a school project on here as seen on this template{{School block}}

Lazap (talk) 22:29, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

Lazap, I have retitled this. Your original title, "Heyy", is not informative or helpful. The template you reproduce mentions "class projects", linked to Wikipedia:Student assignments. Does Wikipedia:Student assignments fail to explain? If something remains unclear, please ask. -- Hoary (talk) 23:04, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

oh I didn’t read that I’ll get right to it! Lazap (talk) 00:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

All right I’ve read it and I’m a bit confused on the outreach part like where do I put the group is that allowed in stuff do I have to go trough a process Lazap (talk) 00:44, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Lazap, I'm sorry, I don't understand where do I put the group is that allowed in stuff do I have to go trough a process and therefore cannot start to explain. -- Hoary (talk) 00:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

OK so I want you read that article then go to the link where it says outreach wiki so you can see what I’m talking about Lazap (talk) 00:50, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Lazap. The template you've mentioned above states as follows:

If editing is required for class projects, please have your instructor or network administrator contact us (with reference to this IP address) at the Unblock Ticket Request System with a contact email address that is listed on your school's website.

So, if you're a teacher and want your students to be able to edit using the school's IP address, you should file a request using Wikipedia:Unblock Ticket Request System and explain what you want to do and why. If you're a student who wants to edit using your school's IP address, you should ask your teacher or some other adminstrator at your school to make such a request. If you just want some general information on using Wikipedia for class project, try looking at Wikipedia Education's website found here. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Not blocked just working on something Lazap (talk) 01:33, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

If you're not blocked, then it's not clear what {{School block}} has to do with anything you've been asking about. Are you a teacher who wants to use Wikipedia as part of one of your classes? If that's the case, then the "Student assignments" page that Hoary linked to above basically gives you all the information you'll need to get started. The Wikipedia Outreach page is a general page that is more global in nature and might be more helpful for schools not located in the US. The Wiki Ed page is more geared to US and Canadian schools; so, their materials might be more appropriate for US and Canadian students. If, on the other hand, your a student who wants to edit Wikipedia, then "Student assignments" page also contains advice for students. Try looking at Wikipedia:Training/For students or try taking the Wikipedia:Adventure for some general guidance. So far, your only edits to Wikipedia have been here at the Teahouse and in your username space; so, it's kind of hard to figure out what you're asking about or what you're trying to do. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Marchjuly, from her user page, I would guess that she is a student, not a teacher. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:31, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Images

I've noticed that for many articles about people, there aren't any images of them in the infobox. Images of those people, however, are publicly available when you go to Google Images. Why is this? Is it that hard to find a non-copyrighted or CC image, or did the editors writing the page merely forget? Vortex (talk) 05:07, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

These aren't just stubs. There are fully completed pages without images, too. Vortex (talk) 05:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

The former. (Google Image Search pulls up copyrighted images just as readily as it pulls up non-copyrighted ones.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 05:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

It's pretty hard. OTOH, Wikipedia editors (aside from the spammers and other paid hacks) are volunteers, and their/our time and effort are limited. They may have missed something that you could find, if you looked. If you try looking, remember that a CC license is not enough (it must be a particular kind of CC license); and that lack of an assertion of copyright does certainly not mean non-copyrighted (indeed, you should assume that any image is conventionally copyright, "all rights reserved", unless you have, and can point to, good evidence to the contrary). -- Hoary (talk) 05:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Vortex3427. Wikipedia's licensing policy for images and other types of media is explained here and here, but bascially it often comes down to whether an "free image" can be found for use in an article. In this context, "free" generally refers to the copyright status of image and not the availability of the image. There are many images online that one can look at for free or even possibly download for free. but that doesn't necessarily make them free from copyright protection. Such images, for the most part, can't be uploaded to Wikipedia without the explicit consent of their copyright holders (except in certain cases). In addition, a website may be hosting images created by others, and thus the website itself doesn't have a real claim of copyright over the image. Some websites may even be trying to claim copyright ownership over content that is within the public domain and is actually no longer or has never been eligible for copyright protection. For these kinds of reasons, it can be tricky to figure out what kind of images are OK to upload and what kind aren't. So, unless the website clearly states that all of it's content has been released into the public domain or has been released under one of these licenses, it's probably best to avoid trying to upload it to Wikipedia. You should also be careful with any images that look like they didn't originate with a website (e.g. some of the things listed in here) because it possible that the website isn't the copyright holder of the image even when they explicitly state their content is "free". So, whenever you have any doubts about a particular image, it's probaly best to ask for help at either Wikipedia:Media copyright questions or c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright to see what others might think. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Vortex3427, "publicly available" doesn't mean much these days, especially on the Internet! 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:42, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Translated article "does not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article"

I was working on translating an article which lacked some information that I added into the draft. However, it is still being rejected on the basis that the subject is not notable. The original article exists in two other languages, and my sources are almost identical to (albeit more numerous than) the sources that exist in the French article. What am I doing wrong? Ff2maa (talk) 20:07, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Every project has different inclusion requirements. One project may have no bar for notability, while we do. CUPIDICAE💕 20:08, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi Ff2maa. Please take a look at this for more details, but basically each Wikipedia project has its own policies and guidelines that might not be exactly the same. There may be some aspects that overlap, but there may be some important differences. Since English Wikipedia has the most articles and the most users, its policies and guidelines tend to more rigorously applied than is done on some other Wikipedias; on the other hand, more users can often mean there’s more subjectivity in how English Wikipedia’s notability guidelines are applied. An article already existing on another Wikipedia doesn’t automatically mean it should also exist on English Wikipedia because there’s no true one to one correspondence between the two Wikipedias. So, the translation is going to need to meet English Wikipedia’s notability guidelines for it to be accepted. — Marchjuly (talk) 20:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

The references I could read (English) established accomplishment and awards, but were basically name mentiones (did this, got that...). None were about Shirahama AT LENGTH, a requirement for English Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 20:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Ff2maa, a tip for more material. If "[her] recent works have garnered critical acclaim", then what was the acclaim (as summarized in your words), who were the critics, and where did they publish it? That could add up to [en:Wikipedia-defined] notability. -- Hoary (talk) 00:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ff2maa, this is probably a minor point, but the inline citations go after any punctuation, not before. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Trying to submit an article for reivew

I drafted and submitted U.S. Coast Guard History and Heritage Sites, I get this message: "This is a misplaced articles for creation submission. If it is not yet ready for article space, please consider moving it to draft space rather than marking it for deletion. Note: If you are not an administrator or page mover please tag the redirect left behind after the move for deletion using {{db-r2}}." How do I get my article placed correctly for review? HnHCDR (talk) 22:44, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I have moved it for you to Draft:U.S. Coast Guard History and Heritage Sites McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 22:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks. Any suggestion how to avoid this next time? HnHCDR (talk) 23:29, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

hi HnHCDR! drafts are created with the prefix Draft: so all you need is to create a new page, but prefix it with that first. the Article wizard automatically places new pages you create in it in the draftspace, you could use that. happy writing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:21, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@HnHCDR You can also easily create drafts via Wikipedia:Drafts#Creating_and_editing_drafts. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:49, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Mcmatter Thanks for helping me get this article where it needs to go. I made the updates suggested by @DoubleGrazing. Appreciate your assistance. HnHCDR (talk) 10:40, 8 May 2022 (UTC)

How to know the removed edits?

Hey guys,

I am still new here,

I received a note saying that " Unfortunately, one or more of your recent edits to the page ... did not conform to Wikipedia's verifiability policy, and may have been removed."

Is there a way of checking what has been removed so that I can site it correctly ?

Thanks Gentlemanwalkin (talk) 12:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Gentlemanwalkin: Welcome to the Teahouse! I assume that message was in reference to your only other edit to the project, Special:Diff/1083545310. The entire edit was reverted, likely because it contained no references whatsoever. Happy editing! Bsoyka (talk) 12:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

i think i messed up in adding them, I will work on that thanks Gentlemanwalkin (talk) 12:43, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! If you would like to cite sources, you may use the ref tool at the bottom of the screen where you are editing. Then, place the URL between the two "ref"s. Severestorm28 12:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

thank you, i will do that now Gentlemanwalkin (talk) 12:42, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Correction of references in article which was declined.

I need help in editing the page Draft:Emmanuel Sikora as it was reviwed and some issues in referenced emerge. I want help from experienced editors to make it correct. Ifra86 (talk) 12:34, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Ifra, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not much intyerested in what somebody has done, published, written, said, produced except where other people have written about it. You need to remove all (or nearly all) the sources which derive from Sikora, and instead find sources where people unconnected with him have chosen to write about him: some reviews reviews will work (but they need to have been published by a reliable publisher, and actually talking about him at length, not just name-checking or repeating what's in his publicity). Most of your sources must each satisfy all three of the following criteria: they must be reliably published, they must be wholly independent of Sikora, and they must contain significant coverage of Sikora. If you cannot find at least three sources that meet all of these criteria, then it is likely that Sikora does not currently meet Wikipedia's criteria for notabililty, and no article about him is po0ssible. ColinFine (talk) 12:48, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Interactive maps aren't displaying

Is wikipedia aware that the interactive maps aren't displaying (at least on my screen)? Please see {{maplink}}, {{OSM location map}}, or any article using these templates such as Russian cruiser Moskva. The maps are all blank on my screen - is it just me? This is well beyond my expertise - I don't even know where to report this. Hoof Hearted (talk) 12:54, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Actually, it appears to only be my laptop. I have no issues opening these articles on my phone. Hoof Hearted (talk) 13:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Updating a business page information - Current content is over 4 years out of date

Hi, I need some assistance getting a business page updated. I do have a conflict of interest which I have stated, being an employee of the business. I had been speaking to someone and provided all relevant information. The current content is 4+ years out of date, and almost non of the information is accurate. I have the information and all references in the correct formatting but have not heard from the page editor in over a year. The page is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EConsult

Any advice getting the page updated would be hugely appreciated. JimrobertseConsult (talk) 12:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@JimRobertseConsult: you're asking too much, in too general terms, and the sources you're providing aren't great. What you need to do is state exactly what text you want to change. Say explicitly which text you want to remove, and which text you want to add, and where. If you have a lot of changes, do them in small chunks in case whoever looks at the request finds they agree with one bit and not another. Editors here are unlikely to want to put a lot of effort into this, so you should aim to meet them half-way by actually writing the text yourself. But keep your changes neutral and factual; no one is going to accept anything they perceive as advertising copy.

Every change must be supported by a reference. Throw away everything published by the company itself. None of that will be acceptable. Similarly, do not use any websites and publications from the NHS. Since the NHS is your customer, it is not a reliable, independent source. What you really need are write-ups by independent journalists in newspapers, preferably national newspapers. One good write-up in the Guardian, for example, is a lot more useful than a whole set of local newspaper articles of the sort used to pad out some columns between the adverts. Detailed studies published by academic groups can sometimes be useful, but run the risk of being primary rather than secondary; if they're reports commissioned by health bodies considering using the company, or assessing the effects of using the product after its introduction, they will probably not be seen as independent secondary sources. In general, as a very rough rule of thumb, if you can only find the thing as a pdf on some organisation's website, it's probably problematic. If you don't have independent, national coverage, then it is likely that the subject isn't yet sufficiently notable for Wikipedia. This is no shame: there are plenty of good businesses that aren't notable.

The bottom line is that nothing is going to go in that article unless there is good secondary evidence backing it up. On the other hand, if there is information in the article that is incorrect and is either unsupported by any source, or is supported by a source that is likely to be out of date, it can be dealt-with. Unsupported information can be removed (just say, explicitly, what you want removing). Information that is supported by an out-of-date source can be reworded to make it clear it reflects the situation at a point in the past, not necessarily the current situation.

But thank you for doing things properly, and being patient, rather than wading in with CoI editing! Elemimele (talk) 13:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Jim, and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that you have appropriately raised an edit request at Talk:EConsult, around six weeks ago, and you are waiting for somebody to look at it. The main reply is to be patient: Wikipedia is a volunteer project, and editors work on what they choose to work on. It looks to me as if your request is around the middle of the 145 open requests in terms of age; but that list is a list, not a queue, and they do not necessarily get addressed in order. What I will say is that the edits you have requested look to me like a lot of work for an editor to pick up and consider carefully. My suggestion would be to break it up into much smaller jobs, that will be individually less forbidding for an editor to attend to. ColinFine (talk) 13:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

About languages

Can a user registered in a Wikipedia log in to another Wikipedia? (eg. A user of the English Wikipedia attempts to log in to the French Wikipedia). - CafeGurrier66 (talk • contribs) 13:03, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes. As a rule, logins are valid across the whole of the Wikimedia projects - Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikiquote, etc in any language, and also WikiData and Wikimedia Commons. Some language Wikipedias send a welcome message to you the first time you visit them while logged in, which can be disconcerting, because you may not even realise that you've visited them. ColinFine (talk) 13:07, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@CafeGurrier66:: Thanks for stopping by to ask this question. See Wikipedia:Unified login. Essentially, once you create an account on one Wikimedia project, the same login will work on all Wikimedia projects. So, your en.wikipedia login will also work on fr.wikipedia. --Jayron32 13:08, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

But although the logins are universal, everything else is sort-of separate, so you will find you have a different personal talk-page in each wikipedia, and your own user page will be a red-link in any language where you haven't written one. And a different set of people will growl at you if you do something silly; sins committed in English don't necessarily impact the French world! Elemimele (talk) 13:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

2022 Nepalese protest

Hello! Add text, please Станислав Савченко (talk) 14:22, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Станислав Савченко Teahouse hosts are here to advise, not be co-authors. It falls to you to add content to 2022 Nepalese protest. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I see, thanks!--Станислав Савченко (talk) 14:32, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Станислав Савченко A reminder that content must b verified by references. What you know to be true is not enough. David notMD (talk) 14:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Producer Page Improvements

Hi,

I work for a company named Kyoto Music and have been trying to draft a page for one of our artists. Our submission was declined recently because our references "do not show significant coverage of the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources". However, comparing our article with other articles for music producers on Wikipedia I do not really see how it doesn't qualify. This is my first time editing on Wikipedia and I'm just a little confused. Could you please take a look at the article and tell me more specifically what I would need to do to get this article published on Wikipedia?

Many thanks!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Paul_Frazer?action=edit KyotoChloe (talk) 13:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

• Hello, KyotoChloe. As you are a paid editor, you must put a mandatory disclosure either on your user page or on the talk page of every page you edit, see WP:PAID.

Let’s assume that is taken care of. As you have been told, to show the subject is "notable" (in the Wikipedia-jargon meaning of the term), you need sources satisfying a set of three criteria: (1) in-depth coverage, (2) independent, (3) reliable. See also WP:SINGER for some topic-specific info. Other existing articles may not meet that standard, but (1) that’s not a reason to accept new non-compliant articles, and (2) if so please give the links to those so we can fix or delete them.

The first reference of Draft:Paul Frazer is this piece, which is basically an interview. Interviews usually fail the "independent" test, since their content is what the subject of the interview want to say, not critical commentary. On the other hand, a source like this is more useful. However, it seems to be about a Black Futures album rather than Paul Frazer - if all other usable sources are like this, it would probably be better to create an article about Black Futures / Never Not Nothing rather than the individual band member.

Just to be clear, when it comes to sourcing, a lack of quality cannot be trumped by quantity. We usually require at least three good sources (depending on who you ask, two really good ones can be enough or three is a minimum number, but that is usually academic). That is why, if you want a thorough review of your sources, the usual advice is to provide your three best ones - this way a reviewer does not have to look through dozens of texts.

All the above refers to concerns of notability. If the subject is indeed notable, then you can write an article. To do that, you can use other sources that fail criteria (1) and sometimes (2) to cite specific facts in the article. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 14:49, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, KyotoChloe. I suspect that the biggest difficulty you are having is that you are under the misapprehension that drafting "a page for one of our artists" is something that is appropriate in Wikipedia. It is not. At best, you can draft "an encyclopaedia article about one of our artists". It will not belong to them or to you, it will not be under your control, it might end up containing material that you or they do not want there. Above all, it should be based almost entirely on what people who have no connection with you or the artist have chosen to publish about the artist, not on what you or they or your associates say or want to say. As an editor with a conflict of interest, your task is even harder than the already difficult task of creating an acceptable article, because you are likely to find it difficult to write neutrally about your artist.

One more point: you mention that there are articles on other producers which do not seem to be held to the high standards which you are being confronted with. Unfortunately, that is likely to be true: we have thousands and thousands of seriously substandard articles which would not be accepted today. Ideally somebody would go through those improving them, or nominating them for deletion if they can't be made acceptable. But for some reason few of our thousands of volunteer editors seem to want to spend time on that task. Please see other stuff exists. ColinFine (talk) 15:38, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Courtesy: Draft:Paul Frazer.

KyotoChloe, I did not read every one of your references but I read about seven of them that I picked at random. Some mentioned Frazer in passing and others did not mention him at all but rather discussed his projects. What is required are several references to independent, reliable sources that devote significant coverage to Frazer himself as a person. So, identifying your three best sources and deleting your weak references is a good idea as suggested by Tigraan. Also, you must immediately comply with WP:PAID. This is mandatory. Cullen328 (talk) 15:06, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I have a question about referencing

Whenever I add a website for referencing, it says that the website I am referencing is blacklisted from Wikipedia. I tried 4 or 5 websites, and all of them said the same thing! Could someone please help me? Thank you! Lilkeegy (talk) 07:30, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

It suggests to me that the sources you are using are not very good sources. --Bduke (talk) 07:42, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Lilkeegy. In most cases, there's usually a pretty good reason why a website gets added to WP:BLACKLIST. You might have no choice, but to try and use the search window on the BLACKLIST page to try and figure out why. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:49, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lilkeegy: Are you linking to those websites directly, or thru some sort of URL shortener (practically all of which are globally blacklisted)? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 09:07, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lilkeegy: Are you trying to link directly to a site? Usually that is OK. But if you are trying to link through a redirection service, that may be blacklisted. If the link is a very long one, that starts with, for instance, "https://www.google..." and contains lots of ampersand characters, that is an example of a redirection service. Avoid those; go directly to the intended site. Feline Hymnic (talk) 09:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Feline Hymnic WDYM "Ampersand characters"? Lilkeegy (talk) 04:51, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lilkeegy, ampersand is the character "&". 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:44, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for telling! Lilkeegy (talk) 15:47, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

From what I can see he is trying to add a source for India census data. There is a single non-blacklisted source for the india census data from the Government, which I previously searched from the archives but don't remember right now. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 11:37, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Lilkeegy:If you're trying to source India Population data, just use official government website. (example link for 2011). The various (commercial) aggregator sites where blacklisted since at least February 2020 due to spamming (and, being controlled by private individuals they're probably less reliable than the government website)

FYI @Jéské Couriano In most cases when a user complains about blocked link additions, the spamblacklist log shows the exact link that was blocked. Because that log comes from a MediaWiki extension rather than the MediaWiki core, entries often don't show on combined log pages. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 20:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Jéské Couriano I am just copy-pasting the link, without shortening it. Lilkeegy (talk) 04:48, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Tony Hernandez - artist

hi - could you add a page for Tony Hernandez - Artist - his images were used as the illustrations for the album cover art for "Drops of Jupiter" and his paintings are in significant collections worldwide. 4.34.19.35 (talk) 14:42, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

If you can find several good sources about him, such as this one from the New York Times, you might have sufficient sources to write an acceptable article. Please read the Your first article guide. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

And what Rodger means by good sources is that they must be independent of the subject and reliable. If you have those you can most certainly create an article for him, although you probably won’t find someone here to create it for you. Maybe you could request for an article to be made at WikiProject Art or WikiProject Biography. Make sure provide good sources if you do. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 16:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft article problem

I'm only able to create draft articles, this has never happened to me before in my really old previous accounts i can't access anymore. Can someone explain why this is happening?

Pallit-on - Say something - 16:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Pallit-on. In order to create new articles, an account must be autoconfirmed. That means the account has made at least ten edits and is at least four days old. Your account is only two days old. Cullen328 (talk) 16:32, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Dang, didn't know that. Well, hope they get accepted :D — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pallit-on (talk • contribs) 16:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I see Draft:Kalle Myllymaa as a submitted draft. P.S. Remember to sign your postings. David notMD (talk) 16:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello everyone Please help me someone about my writing my first article for someone.

 Courtesy link: User:Altamashkhan1/sandbox

I am a new editor on Wikipedia and writing my first article for a UAE based businessman and yes he has very notable content on very well-known websites like Khaleej, gulf news, and many more. Can anybody check my sandbox article which I already published and tell me my mistakes if it is there? Altamashkhan1 (talk) 17:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Altamashkhan1, welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. I have looked over your sandbox page and your article looks good to publish (to me, anyways.) I was unable to find any spelling errors and the page generally follows Wikipedia guidelines. That is a great page for a new editor, and I wish you good luck on this page and all your following pages and edits! - ypc0cnz (talk) 18:14, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for your precious time. Altamashkhan1 (talk) 21:18, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

No Problem- well, as long as you contribute your fame in part to me when you become the next Elon Musk ;) lol. But seriously have a great day, I hope this page ends up well for you! - ypc0cnz (talk) 21:28, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Altamashkhan1, and welcome! A couple of notes: the External Links section does not conform to Wikipedia's policies (more information here and, more specifically, here (#10)). You should probably remove that section. Make sure your sourcing follows the reliable sources guidelines (most of them ought to be okay, but it's still worth checking). And if you haven't already read it, this page has a lot of helpful information for writing your first article. I've put a list of links that are generally helpful for Wikipedia contributing on your talkpage as well. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 18:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hey there , Thank your for your great help. Altamashkhan1 (talk) 21:20, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Can you check again my sandbox article for me. I have already change some as per your point of view. Please help me. Altamashkhan1 (talk) 13:22, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Altamashkhan1, I think you're in good hands with TimTempleton and Theroadislong! They have a lot of experience with this. Make sure you demonstrate how the subject is notable – as Theroadislong said, the subject needs to pass this guideline (WP:GNG). Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 17:07, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Altamashkhan1: - after a quick glance at the sources, I think you're better off making the article about Filli Cafe, instead of Rafih Filli. He doesn't seem to be notable for anything besides the Cafe, at least in Wikipedia's definition of the term "notable" WP:GNG. Also, the sources seem to be unabashedly promotional, with fawning language to describe the stores and Filli. I think you're not quite there yet. Also, if you know Filli personally, and are writing this for him, you should read WP:COI and make the proper disclosures (section 2) on your talk page. TimTempleton ^{(talk) (cont)} 20:17, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Great help. Thank you. Altamashkhan1 (talk) 22:03, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Can you check again my sandbox article for me. I have already change some as per your point of view. Please help me. Altamashkhan1 (talk) 13:20, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Need help with fixing cite error

Can someone please take a look at page Battle of Samana and help in fixing the following error - Sagoo 2001, p. 125. sfn error: multiple targets (2×): CITEREFSagoo2001? MehmoodS (talk) 17:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Nevermind - I was able to resolve the issue. There was a duplicate cite book on the same page which was causing the error. After removing the duplicate, the SFN errors were resolved. MehmoodS (talk) 17:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Refrences

Hello, I am new to Wikipedia and have made major edits to a page just to realize that I don't know how to add references into said text. This has led to me scrapping several major revisions to pages and I think it is about time I figure out this basic concept lol. Sorry for wasting your time with this question :( - ypc0cnz (talk) 19:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ypc0cnz: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you're asking about adding inline citations, you're going to want to take a look at Easy referencing for beginners. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:33, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Tenryuu, thank you for your reply. I appreciate it very much and will make sure to look at it. Thank you and have a great day! - ypc0cnz (talk) 19:44, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ypc0cnz, another first look at adding sources is given by the referencing sections in Help:Introduction. StarryGrandma (talk) 19:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this reply StarryGrandma. I will absolutely make sure to take a look at Help:Introduction, and your User Page helped me out a lot as well. Thank you and have an amazing day! - ypc0cnz (talk) 19:46, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Encyclopedia.com

Is Encyclopedia.com a reliable source? And if not, can I still include it as an External link? 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 14:20, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Ficaia. Like many sources, I think the answer is "it depends what you are using the citation to support". Encyclopaedias, including Wikipedia, are WP:TERTIARY sources and the best sources for us are WP:SECONDARY ones. Hence it would be useful to read the Encyclopedia.com article and then paraphrase the information from whatever source they quote, rather than use their interpretation of it. In the specific case you linked, I can't see any source, so I'd be very cautious about using that. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Ficaia, it's actually a collection of stuff from several sources, much of which I presume is generally reliable, see for example Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_279#Encyclopedia.com. On the Encyclopedia.com page you should be able to see what the actual source is. When you make your cite, you can link Encyclopedia.com, but try to get the other info correct per the actual source. Hope that helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:58, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Does citing from the official website count as a valid source?

e.g. If you were writing about Twitter, could you cite twitter.com's about page? ETMonster (talk) 14:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@ETMonster: that is what we consider a primary source they can be used to support simple basic facts and not our preferred sources. An article should not be based on primary sources, nor do they support notability. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 14:42, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@ETMonster A little, yes. See WP:ABOUTSELF. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

can u pls tell me if the article i created is still under review?

can u pls tell me if the article I created is still under review? Laxmiunni (talk) 17:07, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

If you are talking about User:Laxmiunni/sandbox the answer is no because the submit button was removed. I will add it back though. Also I suggest reading your first article guide and referencing for beginners guide before you submit it. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 17:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Laxmiunni. if you submit it in its current state, it will be declined, as it cites no sources. It does list some sources, but citing those won't help, as none of them is independent – they are all based on what the subject has said. To get it accepted as an article, you'll need to establish that the subject is notable by citing some reliable independent published sources that discuss him. Maproom (talk) 21:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Annie Merner Pfeiffer

All I want to know is who was this person and why are libraries named after her? Wikipedia has no entry. 2603:6011:F006:6300:170:42C2:7150:A4A (talk) 18:11, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome. The Teahouse is for questions about how to use and edit Wikipedia. For general knowledge questions, try the Reference Desk at WP:RD RudolfRed (talk) 18:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

See this. Deor (talk) 21:03, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

We have a stub on her husband Henry Pfeiffer. It seems to me that he, she and the foundation created to continue his philanthropic works are probably "collectively notable." Further information could be added to that stub, but an alternative appropach might be to convert it to an article about the foundation that could subsume information about both of them (and be redirected to from their names). {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.101.71 (talk) 22:06, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

prabook.com

Is Prabook a reliable source? Thanks. BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

No. For a variety of reasons which have been discussed at WP:RSN but primarily as it's wP:UGC and often a wiki mirror. CUPIDICAE💕 22:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@BeanieFan11: Also just a minor note but questions about the reliability of a source are supposed to be asked at WP:RSN. Sorry for being picky lol. ― Kaleeb18^Talk_Caleb 22:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

حذف زمان دار مقاله

سلام، من مقاله ای از ویکی پدیا انگلیسی به فارسی ترجمه کرده ام. لازمه اشاره کنم که فارسی زبان اول و مادری من است و از خوانا بودن مقاله در زبان فارسی اطمینان دارم. با این وجود مقاله ی من دچار اخطار حذف زمان دار شده است. من علاقه ی بسیاری به ترجمه دارم و در حال آموزش سطح بالای زبان انگلیسی هستم و تمایل دارم به عنوان تمرین کاری مثبت در جهت ترجمه ی مقاله به زبان فارسی انجام دهم. لطفا اگر ممکن هست من را در این مورد راهنمایی کنید و پیشاپیش از کمک شما قدردانی میکنم. با احترام نگین Neginghaderii (talk) 18:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, this is the Teahouse for the English Wikipedia. Please ask your question in English only. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I suggest posting your request at the Persian Wikipedia help page:

fa:ویکی‌پدیا:درخواست_راهنمایی Fabrickator (talk) 19:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

من این پیام را با گوگل ترنسلیت ترجمه کرده ام، پس اگر نادرستی وجود دارد ببخشید. به هر حال، سلام، به ویکی پدیا و چایخانه خوش آمدید! خوشحالم که تصمیم گرفتید مقالات را به فارسی ترجمه کنید. امیدوارم همه چیز برای شما خوب پیش برود! اگر برای یافتن مقاله برای ترجمه به کمک نیاز دارید، یک راه آسان این است که اگر در ویکی انگلیسی هستید، روی «مقاله تصادفی» در سمت چپ بالای صفحه اصلی کلیک کنید، یا اگر در ویکی فارسی هستید، می‌توانید روی آن کلیک کنید. «مقالهٔ تصادفی» در سمت راست بالای صفحه اصلی. وقتی مقاله‌ای را پیدا کردید که راحت روی آن کار می‌کنید، راهی برای دیدن اینکه آیا قبلاً به یک زبان ترجمه شده است یا نه، رفتن به بخش با عنوان «زبان‌ها» است و نشان می‌دهد که چه زبان‌هایی برای آن مقاله در دسترس است. به یاد داشته باشید که صفحه را مشاهده کنید و روی "مقاله تصادفی" در زبانی که می خواهید از آن ترجمه کنید کلیک کنید. در اینجا 5 نمونه وجود دارد که من پیدا کردم: یخچال های طبیعی پاکوود، لوح اعلامیه استقلال، سالن خالق دینا، فابیو گال، و کمیته بازی جوانمردانه کوه قلب. باز هم امیدوارم این سفر برای شما خوب باشد و تا حد زیادی موفق باشید. روز خوبی داشته باشی! - ypc0cnz (talk) 23:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Help

Hello, for the last month or so I’ve been having some issues with a pacific editor YLoGM. The subject of this dispute is a image of the Chinese emperor Chongzhen YLoGM believes it’s his brother Tianqi. After going back and forth for a while I decided to message Gary Lee Todd the individual who actually took the photo of the portrait in question and he told me that he simply copied the label of the portrait which stated that it was Chongzhen. The portrait is located in the Ming Tombs which is a museum so unless the museum is wrong it is in fact Chongzhen. So I again put the portrait in the info box of the emperor and told YLoGM about what Gary told me and I even left a message on YLoGM Talk page giving a link to my conversation with Gary on Commons so that they could for themselves. YLoGM Left it alone for a week or two but earlier today I noticed that it was reverted so I again reverted it and again stated that I had suficiente proof that it was Chongzhen and they again reverted it. So now I don’t know what to do I know YLoGM will just keep reverting it. What can I do? Orson12345 (talk) 01:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Orson12345: Don't engage in an edit war. Look at WP:DR for some methods you can use to resolve the dispute. RudolfRed (talk) 01:35, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

"TWINKLE"

I found this add on in an edit tag and I really want to try it out but I am confused on how to add it to my account. Please help. FuzzPie3 (talk) 23:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

hi FuzzPie3 you can activate Twinkle by going to Preferences > Gadgets > Browsing >   Twinkle. for more on this, please see Twinkle and counter-vandalism unit. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:10, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Dan Utely

Does ANYONE know who this was or if he ACTUALLY exsits??? If they do, why isn't there an article on him? VeraCruz776 (talk) 23:49, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Because nobody has taken the time to do research to see if there's any usable sources on them (or if they did, determined the sources didn't exist). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

additionally VeraCruz776, there's a guideline on what belongs and doesn't on wikipedia. just because someone exists or even is popular doesn't mean they can get a wikipedia article, they have to have some notability to get one, which is established over at WP:N. then someone would have to find reliable sources as stated above, and then and only then could someone be able to create an article for someone. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 04:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah i see thank you VeraCruz776 (talk) 23:07, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

What if I don't like tea?

Is there a water house?

I'm posting from my phone and don't remember my password. 2600:6C4E:1200:1E85:8CDF:7215:A99D:72C6 (talk) 05:39, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello. IP editor. "Tea" is just a metaphor for something calming and reflective. It could be one of countless varieties of coffee, or Viennese pastries, or many fresh fruits. The idea is that the Teahouse should be a friendly, welcoming place for asking questions about editing Wikipedia, and answering them accurately. Cullen328 (talk) 05:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

hi ip user! there's no water house, but we do have a village pump. jokes aside, do you have an email assigned to your account? if you do, you could probably reset your password. if you don't, unfortunately you'll have to start a new account, although you also have to establish somewhere that your previous username is yours. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 06:15, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

timely deletion warning

Hi, I have translated an article from English Wikipedia into Persian. I need to mention that Persian is my first and mother language and I am sure that the article is readable in Persian. However, my article has received a timely deletion warning. I am very interested in translation, I am learning a high level of English and I want to do something as a positive exercise such as translating articles into Persian. Please guide me on this if possible. I would appreciate your help in advance.موتورسیکلت تریال Neginghaderii (talk) 19:08, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, this is the Teahouse for the English language Wikipedia. You will need to take any questions about articles in Persian to the Persian language Wikipedia. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I believe your question should be posted at the Persian Wikipedia help page: fa:ویکی‌پدیا:درخواست_راهنمایی Fabrickator (talk) 19:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse! I am happy that you have decided to translate articles into Persian. I hope all goes well for you! If you need help finding articles to translate, one easy way is to click on "Random Article" on the top left side of the main page if you are on the English Wiki, or if you are on the Persian Wiki then you can click on "مقالهٔ تصادفی" on the top right side of the main page. Once you find an article you are comfortable working on, a way to see if it is translated to a language already is to go to the section labeled "Languages", and it will show which languages are available for that individual article. Remember to view the page and click "Random Article" on the language that you want to translate from. Here are 5 examples that I found: Packwood Glacier, Declaration of Independence Tablet, Khaliq Dina Hall, Fabio Gall, and Heart Mountain Fair Play Committee. Once again, I hope this journey turns out well for you and succeeds greatly. Have a great day! - ypc0cnz (talk) 22:57, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

thank you so much. I will start with them. Hope they don't nominated for delete :) Neginghaderii (talk) 07:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

What defines 'constructive'?

My edits to the Mark Crispin Miller page were undone because they were said to not be 'constructive'? Says who? And why? All I did was remove the word 'disgraced' from a description of Andy Wakefield. I know Andy and the word disgraced doesn't describe how he feels about the incidents described in the article about Miller. 2600:1700:D470:C940:FD23:3295:1148:CDF4 (talk) 16:47, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Constructive: is it useful to our readers? If not, it's probably not constructive. CUPIDICAE💕 16:50, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

We can't base edits on your personal knowledge, as that is impossible to verify. Edits must be supported with published independent reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 16:52, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

COI issues aside, the word "disgraced" is a bit too subjective for my taste. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:05, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

Perhaps "discredited" would be a better word, which is the word used in the lead of Andrew Wakefield. Wakefield's personal feelings about the matter are not relevant. What matters is what reliable, independent sources say about Wakefield, and they overwhelmingly describe him as discredited and disgraced. Cullen328 (talk) 17:13, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

That's a smart alternative word choice, in my opinion. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 17:22, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

The main reason I reverted the edits was because of the removal of sourced content. See the diff >>> Ingenuity.talk(); 17:31, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

"the word disgraced doesn't describe how he feels about the incidents". Maybe not. But it is how reliable published sources describe Wakefield. Or, if you prefer, “dishonest,” “unethical,” and “callous". Maproom (talk) 06:14, 16 April 2022 (UTC)

I believe "disgraced" is a "peacock word" and should be avoided altogether. – 69.112.128.218 (talk) 13:47, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

It is, almost by definition, someone's assessment. It might be the assessment of some--for better or for worse--respected and trusted source. It might even be a widely held assessment. But too often, even in those--for better or for worse--respected and trusted sources, the term seems to be used to "inform" all of the readers that we all are indeed thinking as the source has decided we should be thinking. Yes, I'm all for keeping it out--or at least qualifying it as someone's opinion. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:24, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Agree that it is opinion, as there is no objective measure. Opinion should be identified as to whose opinion. Discredited is objectively measurable, dishonest and unethical require insight into intent, but with that, also objectively testable given a defined ethical standard. · · · Peter Southwood ^(talk): 07:12, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello , I want to write an Article but i don't know which is Notable or Not  ?

This is only one and first English Online News portal which name is The Narayanganj Page from Narayanganj, Bangladesh. Zahidul Is Chowdhury (talk) 10:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Zahidul Is Chowdhury, are you perhaps asking whether "The Narayanganj Page" is notable? If so, it is notable if it has been discussed to some extent in other reliable sources. -- Hoary (talk) 12:28, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Zahidul Is Chowdhury, you have asked me (on my talk page): "Please refer or provide in other reliable source link / About the New Article The Narayanganj Page". There is no article The Narayanganj Page. Perhaps you're asking me to look for reliable sources about "The Narayanganj Page". If so, no: if you believe that reliable sources exist, it's your job to find them. If other editors see that you have made a good attempt, this may prompt to help you continue your search. -- Hoary (talk) 08:08, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Sorting, sorted-list-merging, pyramid select (stable tournament), insert middle (binary)

Hi. Question1: I try send 3 algorithm, but failure by admins. If not wiki interested in algorithm, where can i found community about sorting? You can look on page https://mlich.zam.slu.cz/js-sort/wiki-peter/ - Pyramid-select is similar tournament, bigger code, need memory, but faster and STABLE. (n=1000, cmp=8700) - Sorted-list-meging is half part od merge, detect sorted list and merge it. Or select sorted list is 1. Simple code, need memory, fast, stable, 3x faster in multithread mode. (n=1000, cmp=8700) - Insert-middle (binary sort from timsort), but my code not use complicated code for detection left-right galop (n=1000, cmp=8700)

Question2: Why not in table for algorithm added information about stable or unstable?

Question3: Why use for complex info formula n log n? Its false. True formula is Sn = A*n - (2^A - 1) // i not see any log, ln, i see exponent | n = 8, A = 3, sn = 8*3 - (2^3 - 1) = 16 + 8 - 7 = 17 | n = 1000, A = 9.35, sn = 1000*9.35 - (2^9.35 - 1) ~= 8700 | Sn(0..A) = (n - 1) + (n - 2) + (n - 4) + (n - 8) ... Peter.mlich (talk) 07:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand questions 1 and 3. As for question 2, the tables at Sorting algorithm each have a column for stable/unstable. Maproom (talk) 08:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Click any algorithm in table on your page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selection_sort

On right, you see box info about algorithm, there is no stable. Peter.mlich (talk) 07:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

LIke Maproom, I have little idea what you are talking about. When you have questions about a particlar article, you are much more likely to find people who know about the subject if you ask at that article's talk page (eg Talk:Sorting algorithm); or if you find a relevant WikiProject (eg WP:WikiProject Computing) than asking at the Teahouse or other general pages. ColinFine (talk) 09:12, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

• As far as I can discern it, Peter.mlich has invented/implemented a new sorting algorithm which they claim to be better than other standard algorithms under certain metrics, and want to include that in Wikipedia. The correct answer is therefore that we do not deal with original research, which should be addressed to other channels (in this case, a computer science journal, I guess). Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 15:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

  New... May be or not. I dont know, i dont undestand code on wiki. My Pyramid can be Tournament-sort, but, my code is stable. List merging can be something too. Insert middle can bee binary insert and alternation can use Tim sort. But, my code is differend, work in someone differend. And does not respond with values in table on mail sorting page.

  Pyramid is modification of select sort. But, in table have select sort n*n.

  Insert middle is simple moditication basic insert-top, insert-bottom. Not compute galop left-right as timsort.

  List merging use merging sorted list. In my code very old. But, somebody maybe can create it before. I don know. May block sort? But sorted-list-merging is better name, intuitive, what alg. do. Peter.mlich (talk) 07:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Formula, i can change it, 2^a = n, when you use n as 2^x

$O(n\log n)=(\ln(n)/\ln(2)-1)*n+1$ Peter.mlich (talk) 07:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

hi Peter.mlich! improving your algorithm doesn't help its chances in Wikipedia unless you get people, probably journalists or researchers in your field that are independent of you, to write about it. unfortunately, we cannot accept original research. you can probably find some other places to share your algorithm in, although since I'm not in the circle of sorting algorithm people, I cannot really give any places for you to start. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 08:05, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Ok. I try present on pages specialized on algorithm. I can only try present for world on world most-visited place :) This place not work, when you is programmer and not school-scientist :) I hope to find community here. But found only librarians. This not problem, but other pages can die early, lost text for ever. Peter.mlich (talk) 08:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Crossed out edit

When I view the history of the page "EBIS" one of the edits is crossed out twice in black and I can't view it why is this? President SFH (talk) 09:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

hi President SFH and welcome to the teahouse! that is possibly because the edit is supressed and only visible to oversighters. said edit could've possibly been of personal information, libel, or copyright infriging, however since again it's oversighted, I can't see what it is about. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 09:18, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Most viewed user talk pages

What are the most viewed user talk pages of all time as well as the last 30 days? I tried finding a page that has it, but I couldn't. If anyone can find the answer for me, that would be great. Interstellarity (talk) 20:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't think that's tracked anywhere anymore. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 21:58, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Interstellarity As a pure guess, it's likely that the "all time" and current record is held by User talk:Jimbo Wales, for obvious reasons. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:22, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Circle Inspector

This is a draft of 1996 released Kannada language film . Since it was released in 1990s , it is difficult to find sources for it . Please help me to find relevant sources. Alone 333336 (talk) 02:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Circle Inspector (film) 💜  melecie  talk - 04:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Alone 333336, if there are reliable sources, my uneducated guess is that they will be reviews in Kannada-, Hindi-, or English-language ink-on-paper periodicals that will not be on microfilm or microfiche, let alone on the web, and will not be indexed. If my guess is correct, then even if you have access to a superb reference library, finding them will be prohibitively difficult. My guess may be wrong; I hope it is. And it's very likely that I am less than averagely informed about Kannada-language matters. However, you could try asking the same question at WT:WikiProject India: people there will be more than averagely informed. -- Hoary (talk) 08:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Alone 333336 I looked at the filmography of Girija Lokesh, one of the actors in Circle Inspector, and many of the Kannada-language film articles had content similar to your draft. This does not necessarily mean yours should be accepted as is. One of the more complete movie articles is Nanjundi Kalyana. It has a Plot, Production and Reception section, and for the cast list, gives the names of the characters they played in the movie. I recommend you improve the draft modeled on other Kannada-language movie articles, try to find more refs, and submit again. David notMD (talk) 11:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Wrong Photo

How can I ask someone active in Wikipedia to remove the wrong photo and replace it with a correct photo of the person described 81.229.195.55 (talk) 07:22, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may use the associated article talk page (for example, Talk:Joe Biden) to discuss any concerns about that article, including its images. There should be a "talk" link at the top of the article(in desktop mode, at least, in mobile/app mode it's a tiny bit harder to find). IP users and new accounts cannot upload images, but you may work towards uploading one at Files For Upload. 331dot (talk) 07:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP user, and welcome from me too. In addition to what 331dot says, there's also the issue of whether an image with suitable copyright status is available. We have many articles about people which lack images not because we don't want them to have pictures, but because nobody has found an image which is licensed in such a way that it can be freely reused (which is a core policy of Wikipedia). A wrong image is a different matter, certainly, but it might be that the best we can do is to remove the wrong image. If this is a person you know, or that you have access to, and you can take a picture of them yourself, you will be able to license it appropriately youself. ColinFine (talk) 09:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, and in addition to what Colin and 331dot said. If you saw the wrong photo on the right-hand side of a Google search results page, in the "knowledge panel", that is almost certainly a problem on Google, not Wikipedia. Check the image on the actual Wikipedia article, if the image is correct, it's a Google problem that we can do nothing to fix. Otherwise, report it on the article talk page or here and it will get sorted. - X201 (talk) 11:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Can someone review my article?

Draft:Kalle Myllymaa. He's a professional ice hockey player from Finland. Kilaseell - Say something - 13:07, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Kilaseell, let me quote what I read at the top: "Review waiting, please be patient. / This may take 4 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 2,937 pending submissions waiting for review." -- Hoary (talk) 13:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

You expect me to know how to read? Kilaseell - Say something - 13:15, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Notability matters

Hi Wikipedians! I'd like to have the thoughts of some experienced Wikipedians and tell me please about the article Draft: Lee Seung-joo if it requires the terms of notability or other things I should fix so I can review it. Thank you so much for your time! Yours - Fisforfenia (talk) 12:53, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

We're told: A lot of famous people were gathered and a lot of DJs played there, one of them was also Løren. [...] He also had a cameo appearance on the music video of "Lovesick Girls". Before participating in the music video, he also had interactions with the members and other appearances on camera. [...] He was, also, spotted at the Paris Fashion Week the same month, on Yves Saint Laurent's fashion show by Athony Vacarello. / On March 2022, the director of Dior Men's Jewelry, Yoon Ahn, opened a pop-up store of her own brand, Ambush, in Seoul, South Korea. On April of the same year, she uploaded photos on her personal Instagram account with her and some celebrities who had visited the store at the opening. Those celebrities were Løren, Jennie, G-Dragon, Jay Park and The Boyz. Being seen with a lot of famous people, being spotted somewhere, being in a photo uploaded to an Instagram account: none of this contributes to notability. Indeed, including this gossip magazine stuff sounds desperate ("Look, he hangs out with celebs, that means he must be a celeb too!") -- Hoary (talk) 13:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Sources

 Courtesy link: Draft:Fight Crab

I made an article on a game, and it got turned down because it didn't have enough sources. It was on Fight Crab. My main source was actually playing the game, which is the best source, so what should I do? Flumph Grump (talk) 11:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Flumph Grump: Welcome to the Teahouse. Articles need reliable, secondary sources to establish notability as Wikipedia defines it. Playing the game does not establish its notability and thus is not the best source. A glaring issue I see is that you're using a second-person perspective, which is in an inappropriate tone for Wikipedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:59, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Flumph Grump: Notability is not the only problem with "playing the game", it also violates WP:OR. The Tips of Apmh 12:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

sorry Flumph Grump (talk) 13:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I found more sources and went through to make it thrid-person (as in they/their/players) and removed the playing the game source. Thank you for your feedback, Tenryuu. Flumph Grump (talk) 13:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

new page

how do i start a new page??????? Joshp44 (talk) 14:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

hi Joshp44 and welcome to the teahouse! please read Your first article. please note that wikipedia isn't the place to advertise yourself or your business, such things are not allowed here. if you want to make an article about them, it might be better to hold off first: there are many reasons why you might not want one. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 14:21, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

COI Edit request

Hi, I have been asked to update the page for the company I work for, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_Face. I am completely new to editing Wikipedia (usually only responsible for updating content on the company's own site), so did not realise I wouldn't be able to make these changes myself due to a conflict of interest - until I published them, and they were promptly undone. Several other WP users reached out to me to explain the issues, and following their advice I have changed my username as appropriate and disclosed my affiliation with the company on my user page.

I am now looking at requesting the changes via the relevant Talk page, but was wondering if there is any way that I can submit the code that I had rewritten too, as I feel this would save a lot of time/repetition of work. I had made changes to several areas of the page; some simple text changes, others adding or removing citations and ensuring that all citations had been formatted in the same way. I believe the main issue was the promotional/branded tone of the rewritten introduction, so I have re-re-written that to be more objective (largely inline with what is already there). The other changes are factual (changes to leadership and ownership, number of stores etc).

I would be happy to write out a list of edit requests to summarise these changes, but thought it might be helpful to already have them done and ready to drop in, if approved? Thanks! LB at FatFace (talk) 15:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

If you want to edit something, you need to cite sources that are independent from the subject. You'll have to do it yourself unless other people want to edit too. -Kilaseell - Say something - 15:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@LB at FatFace: As long as you provide the edits you want to make and the sources on the Talk Page, there is no need to provide the markup code. Another editor will be able to do that. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 15:28, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Why can't a user delete their own subpages?

Hello! I've recently had the motivation to get more into wikipedia, and just moved my first article to the article space, Quaker decision-making.

I decided to do a bit of spring cleaning in my user space, but noticed I can't delete my own subpages. Accorting to the subpage page, a user must tag {{qd|U1}} at the top of a page, and wait for an admin (or bot?) to delete.

Why is this? It's quite unintuitive for me as a relative newcomer. DougInAMugtalk 15:17, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Douginamug Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Love the username. The idea you bring up is a perennial proposal. The main problem is that a user could game such a power by moving an article(say, Joe Biden) to their user space and then delete it. This is why only admins can delete articles. 331dot (talk) 15:21, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

331dot Thanks for the compliment and speedy reply :) I thought as much. It's still a bit confusing to understand the relative privileges. My intuition would rather be that permission is required to move articles to and from user space... but Wikipedia seems full of surprises and charm. Thanks for drawing my attention to that page, another fascinating corner of the wikiverse. DougInAMugtalk 15:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Douginamug I suspect there are a few reasons. One is that I don't think you could give people the ability to delete pages without giving them the ability to undelete pages. User subpages often get deleted because they are inappropriate for Wikipedia (attack pages, copyright infringement, promotional pages), and you wouldn't want users to have the ability to undelete these pages without oversight. The other issue, I suspect, is that it would give people the ability to delete the history of their talk page. User talk pages are supposed to remain as permanent records of discussions and warnings, so it's important to restrict that ability to admins. Guettarda (talk) 15:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

• @Douginamug: You've got some excellent answers here so far, I will note, that the U1 tag noted above is basically always done by admins; we'll do a cursory glance at the page history just to make sure nothing untowards is going on, but other than that, it pretty much always happens. So it really shouldn't be a problem for getting the page deleted. As noted above, I want to re-iterate that I'm not sure it is technically possible, within the MediaWiki software, for someone to be granted a user-right that only allows them to delete their own user-created userspace sub-pages, like you ask. While the deletion userright can be granted individually by the software (we don't do it that way right now; it is currently bundled in the "administrator" package of userrights, which is the only way to get it), once you grant the right to delete, that gives said user the ability to delete any page anywhere on Wikipedia; that level of access is rightfully only reserved for users with advanced permissions; which are only granted sparringly through processes like WP:RFA. I hope that helps. --Jayron32 15:39, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

  @Guettarda @Jayron32 Thank you both for your considered replies. It really helps me get a better understanding of 'how things work here'. I can safely say that I won't be making any RfCs or Proposals at any time soon! DougInAMugtalk 15:49, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

User pages

What should i put in them? I can't think of anything :D -Kilaseell - Say something - 14:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, Kilaseell! WP:UPYES contains general guidelines for things you can put on your userpage. Some editors put userboxes on their userpages, others write a little about themselves and their editing, and others redirect their userpages to their talk pages. As long as you follow the guidelines for userpages, it's really up to you! Perfect4th (talk) 15:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Rename jpg on Commons

Hello, I recently uploaded a portrait of Henry II of France that I altered to improve the lighting to commons and I must of had a brain fart and I mistakenly named the file Henry III not Henry II so I wanted to know is there a way I could fix that? File:Henry III of France-François Clouet (altered).jpg Orson12345 (talk) 15:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Orson12345: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_renaming#How_to_rename_a_file has instructions on how to request a rename. On Commons (unlike Wikipedia), files can only be renamed by Admins. That link I gave you has information on how to tag a mis-named file so that admins can rename it for you. --Jayron32 15:50, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Orson12345 you would need to request a rename on Commons (which a Commons admin can then action)- there are only certain circumstances where they will rename files (listed here), but "correct obvious errors" is one of the reasons listed. I think the code to request a rename would be {{Rename|1=File:Henry II of France-François Clouet (altered).jpg|2=3|3=Filename contains incorrect name of person.}} (according to the documentation on the file renaming template there). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:56, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Joseph2302: Ok. I put the template in the summary, correct? Orson12345 (talk)

Peer Review request on a draft page?

Hey Guys, I have finally gotten around to finishing my first article again - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:BerriBlue
It got deleted and there was a whole COI thing, which was pretty annoying, so now I've tried to be as careful as possible with citations etc etc.
What's the best way to re-publish it? I'd like to submit it for peer review, but it doesn't allow me to add the template to the draft talk page.
It says " This template should be substituted on the article's talk page. "

Could you please help me to get the new version approved? Thanks, Wil57 (talk) 10:57, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Wil57: Welcome to the Teahouse. Peer review is a different venue from Articles for Creation, so chances are you're trying to use a template that only works properly in the Talk: namespace; doing it in Draft talk: is probably what's giving you the error. If you are ready to re-submit the article for review, put {{subst:submit}} at the top of the draft page, not the draft's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 11:54, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

thank you!Wil57 (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

First Lady of Kogi State

Created an article of the First Lady of Kogi State and the spouse to the Governor of the state, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rashida_Bello, the Governor married 3 wives, and when you search for the first lady, it will bring out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amina_Oyiza_Bello, who is also the wife but not the official first lady as stated on the sources on the search https://www.google.com/search?q=first+lady+of+Kogi+State%3F&tbm=nws&ei=wj9gYo_RG7aK9u8PyrCy2AU&start=10&sa=N&ved=2ahUKEwiPupOnkqP3AhU2hf0HHUqYDFsQ8tMDegQIARA2&biw=1280&bih=881&dpr=1 Dorathy Nnaji (talk) 17:17, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Charles Clément Balvay

The title of this article really needs to be changed. The individual referred to himself as Charles Clément Bervic ... was known by this name in his time and ever since, and he is not readily identified by the name "Balvay." References within the article, likewise, need to be changed to Bervic. I have tried to raise this matter on the article's "talk" but without any evidence that my concern has been noticed. George-Amherst (talk) 22:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

George-Amherst, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, the blanket answer if there has ever been a change of the article name in the past, please do not try to unilaterally do anything, in-fact the answer to your question would be for you to seek consensus on the TP of the article & if that isn’t working, you can raise this point in WP:RM. Celestina007 (talk) 22:10, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I don't believe there is any resource in print where Bervic is known by the name "Balvay". Consequently, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment to change this title unilaterally, if I were able to do so -- I don't find evidence in the history of the article of any discussion of this subect. How would I seek a consensus on this subject? -- or for that matter, any meaningful discussion, were there reason *not* to change the title? Why would Wikipedia maintain a usage that seems to have no practice anywhere else? George-Amherst (talk) 22:40, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Btw, thanks for your suggestions George-Amherst (talk) 22:42, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

George-Amherst, I took a very quick look at the article. I clicked on two of its references. The second, this one, refers to him as Balvay. It doesn't only refer to him in this way, and briefly discusses the ambiguity, but it does refer to him in this way. Perhaps the article would be better retitled ("moved"); but unless I misunderstand you, your premises for retitling it are mistaken. -- Hoary (talk) 23:41, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

George-Amherst, a Google Books search for "Charles Clément Balvay" shows that many books use this name. I posted links to three of the books at Talk: Charles Clément Balvay but several more are readily avaliable. Therefore, your assertion that I don't believe there is any resource in print where Bervic is known by the name "Balvay" is incorrect. It seems that Charles Clément Balvay was probably his real name and that Bervic was the name he used as an artist. Cullen328 (talk) 01:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Here the British Museum says proper name Balvay, but always used Bervic. Cullen328 (talk) 01:27, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

"Here the British Museum says proper name Balvay, but always used Bervic." But what name does the British Museum actually use? -- Charles-Clement Bervic.

"The English Cyclopedia" is not an authoritative reference for a French engraver ... however, looking further here, you'll find that the article on the individual is alphabetized under Bervic. People do not look under Balay for this individual.

Look further at your example by Prettejohn: she uses the name "Bervic" in her discussion, not Balvay. We cannot check the usage in Rombout's book, but the author notes that the individual is called Bervic, which is why Wikipedia should do so as well.

When I look through Google Books, under "Bervic," there are many examples, few of them even mentioning "Balvay"; under "Balvay" in this resource, however, there are NONE (!), no example referring to this individual on this first 2 pages. By titling your article under this name, you are sending your reader to nowhere! In fact, you're concealing information. What's your point? George-Amherst (talk) 03:04, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@George-Amherst, Nothing is being "concealed" and no-one is being sent to "nowhere", because a search on "Bervic" has been redirecting to the current article since 2009, and a search on "Charles Clément Bervic" has been redirecting to it since 2010. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.101.71 (talk) 06:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Excuse me, "The second, this one, refers to him as Balvay." This article isn't about the engraver Bervic, it is about a pastelist, a Mlle. Carreux de Rosemond, student of Labille-Girard. George-Amherst (talk) 02:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@George-Amherst, @Cullen328, if the second reference is not about the subject of the article, then it should be removed, along with any info that the reference is backing up, right? 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:17, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

IP editor, you are correct that sources that do not discuss Balvay/Bervic should be removed, and the several sources that actually discuss Charles Clément Balvay by name should be added, and their content summarized. Cullen328 (talk) 06:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cullen328, thanks. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:13, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

George-Amherst, you are the person who confidently asserted that I don't believe there is any resource in print where Bervic is known by the name "Balvay" and you got indignant about it. Yet I proved in a few minutes that your assertion was incorrect. Now, you seem to be claiming that Bervic should be preferred to Balvay. Maybe you are right. But in making that argument, you really ought to admit that you were wrong in your initial assertions. That would go a long way toward developing an amicable consensus outcome, which ought to be based on an analysis of the best reliable sources discussing this person. Since the current version of the article mentions both names in the first sentence, this is not really an urgent matter that justifies dogmatic claims for immediate action. 05:56, 19 April 2022 (UTC) Written by Cullen328 (who perhaps hit "~" once too often). But I could have written the same thing. I second it. -- Hoary (talk) 08:53, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

"and you got indignant about it. Yet I proved in a few minutes that your assertion was incorrect" -- Not clear why the mention of both names in 3 sources (out of how many?) proves anything ... why do you say this? In 2 of the 3 cases you mentioned, the name chosen for discussion was Bervic; in one of these the catchword alphabetization was Bervic; in the the 3rd source, the reference consisted of "Balvay dit Bervic" which means known as Bervic. How many pages of references appear in Google for the name Bervic ? -- can't count them. How many for Balvay? -- none, zero. And you feel that disagreement with my suggestion is not a cause for indignation? The expectation that contributors to this exchange are acting reasonable is not a cause for indignation? OK. If you need to feel I was "wrong in my initial assumptions", that fine. And I'm glad to apologize for indignance.

Here're some facts. The present title of the article is not recognizable to people moderately familiar with the subject (e.g., myself). But more important, I believe, the present title and use of this name in the article itself indicates to the reader that this individual is known as Balvay and, consequently, that additional information can be found under this name. This is not the case, it is wantonly misleading, NO FURTHER INFORMATION can be found by researching under this name, nothing. And if it used alone, the name Balvay will not be recognized as referring to this individual. Therefore the article is misleading and a disservice. George-Amherst (talk) 17:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

"a search on "Charles Clément Bervic" has been redirecting to it since 2010" -- my comment has been misunderstood -- what is concealed is the name useful for finding further information/research (Bervic), when the name Balvay is presented as the title of the article. George-Amherst (talk) 17:48, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Advice on finding what to create and edit.

Hello! I've been here for a bit, however I would like some advice on finding an article to create and an article to edit. Im aware of WikiProjects but what is a good way to find inspiration? Cheers. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 17:59, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@PerryPerryD: Welcome, and thanks for wanting to expand and improve the encyclopedia. You can look at Wikipedia:Requested_articles for a large number of suggested articles. If you find one that interests you, then you can go to WP:YFA for guidance on how to create an article and use the wizard there to create a draft. For suggestions on edits, check out Wikipedia:Task_Center for some things to do. RudolfRed (talk) 18:19, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I second RudolfRed's advice and would add that if you are interested/good at particulary types of editing, for example copyedting or whatever else (adding images, finding sources, translating from another language, etc.) there are directories of articles needing whatever it is. You can also click "Random article" until you find something that needs work. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:07, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Help getting page approved

I've been editing this page, and had it rejected in the past for not having enough reliable sources/not proving the figure was notable. I'm wondering if anyone can look over the citations and let me know if it looks okay? Any help would be much appreciated!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Pritika_Chowdhry Matriarch-info (talk) 19:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

It looks like you have improved the sourcing, and from what it looks like, should be in better shape now. You might want to go through and see where you can trim or rewrite with a general reader of a bio in mind, and not as a bulletin of accomplishments disproportionate to the size of the article. For example, the "Selected fellowships, grants, and awards" section could be excluded or shrunk. A general reader probably doesn't need that whole list. But that's just my two cents. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Page for Mustang Seats

Mustang Seats is a premier manufacturer of motorcycle seats and they should have a page on Wikipedia. How does one go about making this happen?

David Caputo Digital Marketing Manager Mustang Seats 131.239.13.226 (talk) 20:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a business directory or an avenue for promotion. If your company meets the standards at WP:NORG, someone will notice and eventually create an article about the company. RudolfRed (talk) 20:14, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for the question. A company must be notable to have a Wikipedia article. That means there must be multiple independent, reliable sources talking about the company. Many companies, as good as they might be, do not qualify for a Wikipedia article. In the case of your company, there may not be enough third-party, independent sources to meet notability requirements. For example, this article is published by a non-media vehicle-financing entity, and many of the other online metions appear to be press releases, which do not qualify as independent. If you have more sources that you know about, then consider requesting the article to be created at requested articles. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 20:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

• You also must read the paid editing policy and make a formal declaration. 331dot (talk) 20:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Establishing notability

Hello everyone, nice to meet you. I would love to get the community's thoughts on Draft:Innovation Endeavors, specifically in terms of notability. Looking forward to discussing with you here or on the draft's Talk page! Thanks for your help, AJ at Innovation Endeavors (talk) 18:05, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

In my opinion, a good, appropriately sized draft. Seems notable enough. Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 18:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, AJ at Innovation Endeavors. The main issue, as with all articles about corporations, is that to meet WP:NCORP a few of the citations at least have to be based on WP:INDEPENDENT sources. I've not checked all the cites in the Draft but those I did were clearly based on interviews or press releases. For example, Lunden's piece in TechCrunch says Among the areas that Deep Life tells me it... which shows this reference is not helping with notability. Part of the problem is that a high-profile figure like Eric Schmidt is frequently interviewed and may mention some of the ventures he is involved with but you need to try to include some reference with WP:SIGCOV of Innovation Endeavors itself that aren't just things that would be in a trade directory, which Wikikedia is not. More experienced editors will comment once you formally submit the article for review. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Wait?? New Wikimedia project called Wikikedia?? Wow!!! What is it about? Cranloa12n / talk / contribs 21:01, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

No Visual Editing on Talk Pages?

Hi! I’m new here, and was wondering: why is there no option to edit talk pages with the visual editor? Clyde293 (talk) 21:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Clyde293: Welcome. The visual editor has several limitations, editing talk pages is one of them. You can read about the rest at Wikipedia:VisualEditor#Limitations RudolfRed (talk) 21:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@RudolfRed Got it, thank you! Clyde293 (talk) 21:34, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Clyde293: That being said, you may find the Reply tool (on by default for newcomers) or the Convenient Discussions script to be very helpful. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Create page

Hello hoe can i create a page HackAlbania (talk) 22:39, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

See the details on article drafts here. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 22:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

HackAlbania, if you're asking about a page about Balkan Airbnb, I'll take your word that this "was founded in 2022 on April 21". It's inconceivable that this would be "notable" (as understood here), and "notability" is required. As for prose such as "An innovative idea inspired by big giants like booking and airbnb to have a combination of the two gives rise to the idea of a new platform", please read WP:PROMO, item 5 ("Advertising, marketing or public relations"). So how can you create a page about it? You cannot. (Not here, anyway; though you might consider some PR website.) Additionally, please read Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide very carefully. -- Hoary (talk) 23:23, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

How to determine an Image's copyright status

Hello,

I am curious on how to determine the copyright status of an image, so that I can use it in an article. Is there a way that I can access an image's details on copyright? Thanks. CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 22:38, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

The answer will depend on where is the image at present. Is it on Wikimedia Commons? In someone's photograph album? In your camera? On the internet somewhere? Maproom (talk) 22:51, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I found it in Wikimedia Commons. If this means that it is free, do I just enter its file onto the page? CollectiveSolidarity (talk) 22:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

If it's in Wikimedia Commons, then yes, you just do that. Here's how. -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

More precisely, CollectiveSolidarity, if it's at Commons, it ought to be free (meaning either in the public domain or copyleft under an acceptable license). Certainly this is what has been asserted. However, as you may know or probably have guessed, Commons has a very large number of images that have been ignorantly or fraudulently misdescribed, most commonly as the "own work" of the uploader, who claims to have magnanimously copylefted it, even though it's not theirs to copyleft. If you suspect that a file you'd like to use has been misdescribed in this or some other way, do please identify it here, so that somebody here can take a look and comment. -- Hoary (talk) 23:31, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

How is Russian Wikipedia covering the Ukraine war?

I ask because I don't speak Russian. Serendi^podous 17:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Rather than be dependent on somebody volunteering to assemble the requested content, I suggest entering the following query into your browers:

site:ru.wikipedia.org Война между Россией и Украиной

(That's "War between Russia and Ukraine" translated into Russian). This returns a bunch of relevant pages on Russian Wikipedia. To see those in English, select "translate to English" if you're using the Chrome browser, or else copy and paste the page titles to Google translate. Here are some of the articles that the Google search returned (translated into English):

Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022)

Russian-Ukrainian War

Russian-Ukrainian relations

Russian-Ukrainian crisis (2021-2022)

Russian invasion of Ukraine

Negotiations between Russia and Ukraine (2022)

International reaction to Russia's invasion of Ukraine

Again, if you're using Chrome or a browser with a language translation plugin, just click on the article you're interested in and select your requested translation. Otherwise, copy and paste the article text into translate.google.com. Fabrickator (talk) 04:20, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Question about Wikipedia image policy

Hey, I am not new editor but had a quick question. If I take a photo of a public figure from a poster/banner, I own the copyright, right? In my case the person is a politician. Krutarth (talk) 03:45, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Krutarth, no, you're wrong. Normally, if you photograph a 2D image, whoever holds the copyright to that image also holds the copyright of derivative works. (I say "normally", because there may be exceptions. But I can't imagine how any would apply if your purpose was a faithful image of somebody's face, regardless of that person's occupation.) -- Hoary (talk) 05:00, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I completely forgot about 2D thing. Good I asked before uploading. Thank you for your help! Krutarth (talk) 05:15, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Article Wide Search

Is there a way to search for a certain term wiki wide? Carpathianflorist (talk) 06:12, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Carpathianflorist, I wonder what you mean by "wiki wide". In the articles of English-language Wikipedia? In all pages of it, including e.g. this one? In all language versions of Wikipedia? In all wiki websites? Maproom (talk) 07:42, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Maproom, I meant to search for, as an example, "gooblydook" in all pages of the English wiki. Carpathianflorist (talk) 07:54, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Carpathianflorist! The simplest way to search for a phrase on Wikipedia (if that was what you're asking) is to enclose it in quotation marks like "my article" & use the Search box at the top right of Wikipedia. The quotation marks will instruct the search to find those words together rather than individual words in the phrase. A more sophisticated method would be to use Advanced Search, where you can specify more precisely what you are seeking. Find that by left licking the magnifying glass on the standard search box at the top of the page then clicking "Advanced Search" to see the available refinements. Hope this is of help! LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 07:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! That's what I was looking for. (Although I suppose it should've been obvious.) Carpathianflorist (talk) 08:07, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Carpathianflorist! No worries! :) Happy to help! Take care, LooksGreatInATurtleNeck (talk) 08:13, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

hello, trying to complete an article, need help with title, thanks

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Santa_Monica_Heritage/sandbox Santa Monica Heritage (talk) 05:48, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Santa Monica Heritage: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you add {{subst:submit}} to the top of your page, a reviewer will eventually look at it and change the title accordingly if it is accepted. That being said, I strongly doubt any reviewer will pass it in its current state. There's only one reference given that doesn't have any bibliographical information, and it doesn't establish the subject's notability as Wikipedia defines it. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:49, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Santa Monica Heritage, if this would merit an article, then "Draft:Manual roll". Adding to what Tenryuu says, your The trick was created by Pat Ngoho in the late 70’s and then later it was named by John Lucero who also began to adapt the Manual Roll into Street Skateboarding in the mid 1980’s is unreferenced. And the whole concept is so slight that even if there are sources for it I have trouble believing that readers would benefit from a separate tiny article. The content could instead go within Skateboarding trick. (This is an article whose lack of referencing has been flagged for nine whole years. Actually I'm tempted to nominate it for deletion: other users would hate me, but while they were fuming at me, the article would certainly get improved. However, I'm hindered by Wikipedia:Do not disrupt Wikipedia to illustrate a point.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:01, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Filmography

Hello again! In the section of filmography of a musician, should their own music videos and appearances on other artists' music video be written in that section? Lastly, should citations be added on the discography or filmography? 'Cause I've noticed other articles which do not have citations on that parts of the article an only on the sales or chart. Thanks - Fisforfenia (talk) 06:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Fisforfenia, appearances in other musicians' videos seem pretty trivial, unless there have been discussions of these appearances. -- Hoary (talk) 09:04, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

How can you cite financial statements?

I am currently drafting an article about a Philippine energy company (First Gen) (wikipedia draft here: Draft:First Gen Corporation) . I found their financial statements for FY 2021 but when I click on their annual financial report, the pdf is downloaded to my PC instead of opening a link to a web version of the pdf. How can I circumvent this problem? I have no idea what to do now and help would be appreciated. Thanks. Financial statements link: https://www.firstgen.com.ph/disclosures ShiriEdits^Talk 03:36, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@ShiriEdits, the sources don't show that anyone has published anything substantial that demonstrates why this company is notable. News of routine business dealings, and financial statements, do not show Wikipedia notability. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@User:73.127.147.187, thanks for pointing out that my sources do not show notability of First Gen. Can you give me an example of what warrants notability? I really don't know what warrants an article. Thanks for the help. ShiriEdits^Talk 07:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

That disclosures link and your ref #2 are to the company website. Company (or individual person) websites can be referenced to support simple factual statements, but are not accepted as independent reliable source references to confirm notability. I agree that the other refs read like financial/business press releases. Are there any articles about the company - not its deals - in news sources? David notMD (talk) 08:44, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

ShiriEdits, please see WP:NCORP. Bascially, Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. David has mentioned some exceptions to this, but unless you establish notability according to those criteria, you're wasting your time and effort. ColinFine (talk) 09:08, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@ShiriEdits, in addition to the excellent advice just given, please see Your First Article. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@User:David notMD, @User:ColinFine,@User:73.127.147.187 Thank you all for your excellent advice on my article. Will use all of your advice to use in future articles. --ShiriEdits^Talk 09:31, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

i want my edits to 'list of chicago blues musicians' to stop getting edited out.

please stop editing my edits. i am tired about this. i would like to edit free of this. thanks. I edit blues pages. (talk) 16:01, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

You might want to not "edit out white bluesmen" then... So far your only edit, as has been pointed out on your talk page, not been constructive. Chaheel Riens (talk) 16:12, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello I edit blues pages. and welcome to the Teahouse. I believe you are referencing this edit in which you removed sourced information from an article. You were cautioned on your user talk page and instructed that, if you had questions, you could come to the Teahouse to seek advice or help. I realize you want your edits to stop being removed but you have not provided any understanding as to why you are trying to make such edits. So, perhaps you can explain and we can better help you. --ARoseWolf 16:17, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

i want my edits to stop getting edited out too. -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:20, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

i am adding death dates to some of the black bluesmen. i am removing white bluesmen [like elvin bishop] from the list so people can explore the black ones. the black bluesmen are more original. i add and change the introduction so people can know more about black blues history. I edit blues pages. (talk) 16:41, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

For info see IP 67.6.77.225 -Roxy the grumpy dog. wooF 16:44, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

The list is of Chicago Blues Musicians, not Black Chicago Blues Musicians. You edit has now been reverted and it on you to begin a discussion on the talk page to see if there is a consensus to make your desired changes, as per WP:BRD. I however doubt this arbitrary change or reasoning will gain consensus. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 16:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

how do i make an offical black blues wikipedia page that others can view? i would like some pointers. I edit blues pages. (talk) 16:50, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I edit blues pages., I would suggest reviewing WP:YFA first and then make sure to look over WP:RS and WP:N (our policies on reliable sources and what notability is). Keep in mind that article creation is one of the hardest tasks an editor on Wikipedia can do. Also keep in mind that you do not own the article (WP:OWN). The article can be edited by anyone else as long as they follow policy. --ARoseWolf 16:55, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, I edit blues pages, and welcome to the Teahouse. You might find it helpful to read WP:RIGHTINGGREATWRONGS. ColinFine (talk) 10:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Trying to figure out a new open-source mapping approach

Hi editors and fellow Wiki people,

I've been working on maps of battles of the French Revolution previously such as in Battle of Fleurus (1794), and I've previously relied on an OSM no-labels version found here: https://mc.bbbike.org/mc/

However, this has since gone down and is no longer available, and I'm trying to find other sources of OSM maps with no labels that I could use to base my map annotations and labels on, but I'm hampered by the fact that I'm really not very sure about the licencing situations for alternatives, or about how OSM maps and tiles and layers work at all.

I have started looking at alternatives (so far I've seen Mapbox, Maputnik, and Stamen Maps) and some of them seem like they might be applicable--but before I begin experimenting, I'm wondering if anyone already knows if these are suitable licence-wise for Wikipedia? Or if someone already knows another source of no-label OSM? It's a bit specific a question, I would really appreciate if anyone has any input or suggestions they can share. Talamioros (talk) 03:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, Talamioros. I have been an active editor and later administrator for almost 13 years without developing any expertise with maps. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Maps for some resources that may be useful. The technical nerds tend to hang out at WP:HDT. Cullen328 (talk) 06:03, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Talamioros Hi the Techie hangout is WP:VPT - friend Cullen got the wrong bowl of alphabet soup. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

alphabet soup sounds like it'd be a nice meal for an editor, probably goes well with some tea too 💜  melecie  talk - 06:49, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Melecie Stick around for long enough and you'd also become fluent in Wikipedia abbreviations. Several outside commentators have actually (quite fairly) criticized the way we old hands throw these shortened links at newbies. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 18:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Dodger67

The Village Pump scares the bejesus out of me. I should point out that I have zero coding or technical knowledge whatsoever, and the BBBike link I previously used, I depended on because it didn't need any of that--I just needed to screengrab the map base after I'd positioned the view where I wanted it, and crop, then photoshop. To clarify further, what I'm really asking isn't whether there's a way I can code another map, but rather, if I find another "Google Maps"-lookalike based on OSM I can simply screengrab, like Stamen Maps, can I just grab it, annotate it, and attribute it the way I did with the maps in Battle of Fleurus ("Own work based on OSM page blah blah" which I was taught how to attribute by another Wiki editor)? Will it be acceptable copyright-wise? If they're based on OSM they should be okay...right? Talamioros (talk) 09:14, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Talamioros Aah okay, now I get it! You're not looking to do some complex coding, you're just looking for some assistance to get suitable "base" maps. The best (non-scary) place for that is the Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop, so drop a note there. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:02, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Dodger67 THANK YOU! :) Yes, I just needed suitable "base" maps. Thank you! I'll go take a look and see how things are done there. :) Talamioros (talk) 06:50, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

improvement in my article

required changes in heading and subheadings had been done and reliable reference sources link added where required please help me to improve my article Thelastwiki (talk) 05:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

"My article" being Devendra Pratap Pandey? If so, the first titled section (the only one I looked at) is "Early life and education"; it has one reference, but the cited source doesn't seem to say much what's in the section. So much of "Early life and education" is unreferenced. Strangely, the little marker for the reference comes immediately before "and the National Defense University in Washington, D.C.", which is something that is in the cited source. -- Hoary (talk) 05:45, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

so what changes should I do ? Thelastwiki (talk) 11:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I'll ask again, since nobody answered.

Hello, again. This page's section on Poliespo lacks many parts of Poliespo's design including phonology and orthography despite it being decently well-known. I am bringing this up again because I: A) don't want to make any decisions without approval, and B) I was ignored when I asked previously. JanKeso (talk) 19:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello. If a section is lacking parts of a design, you should find a source or 2 and add the details you think its missing, Be Bold!, Reverting is normal, and dont be afraid to edit. PerryPerryD Talk To Me 19:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

JanKeso You posed a question on 14 April and I replied same day: "From the available refernces in that article, I see no evidence that Poliespo exists other than Waldon said it does. If there is published content about Poliespo other than by Waldon, you could create and submit a draft. If not, not." I stand by that. If you can provide references to the attempt to establish Poliespo as a language, separate and subsequent to Billy Ray Waldon's claims that he created Poliespo, then by all means create and submit a draft, using WP:YFA as a guide. Mention and referencing to Waldon can be in a History section of the draft. David notMD (talk) 20:05, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I didn't receive any reply from you or anybody else. Also, there is a Youtube video that contains some information about Poliespo here JanKeso (talk) 20:11, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

JanKeso You asked your question at Teahouse and I replied at Teahouse. This time, I 'pinged' you, to make sure you saw my reply. FYI: YouTube is not considered a reliable source reference for Wikipedia articles. David notMD (talk) 20:16, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

The Youtube video is the only source that is easily accessible that contains any information of the phonology and orthography of Poliespo, to my knowledge. It sure would be a waste to not use some of it, even if it may be wrong in a few areas. jan Keso (talk) 20:28, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy on YouTube is that because anyone can create YouTube content, it is not reliable source referencing. Same for blogs and forum content. And interviews. References do not need to be easily accessible, i.e., on-line, but do need to be published. David notMD (talk) 20:32, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

David notMD There is also a email thread listed in the description, and a document that is referred to multiple times throughout the video. The reason I added the "easily accessible" part was because someone who wants to add more information on a topic but said topic has inaccessible content that would be required to add more information (such as Poliespo) would have a problem. jan Keso (talk) 20:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Actually, YouTube content can be used if content is uploaded from a verified official account, though its use should still be scrutinised. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

hi Tenryuu and jan Keso! ...I'm willing to guess that said source is Conlang Critic: Poliespo from the cute fraud themself which doesn't really count as a verified official account. the document in the video is La Fundamento de Poliespo, which is Waldon's. the email thread also probably doesn't count. if you'd like to add stuff there, you probably would want to obtain sources independent from waldon (in other words, not La Fundamento) and not self-published (not from jan Misali or youtube in general). happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 00:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

ping fix: @janKeso 💜  melecie  talk - 00:39, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

 melecie That would definitely help. However, there is virtually no other evidence of Poliespo other than what I have already brought up. jan Keso (talk) 02:14, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@JanKeso, if there is "virtually no other evidence", then that "info" should not appear in a Wikipedia article. It would be a bigger waste to include information that other readers can't trace back to reliable published sources with a reputation for fact-checking. Those are the rules here. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 06:00, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Not sure why I was pinged in this; I was responding to David notMD's assertion that YouTube videos can never be used. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:47, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

JanKeso Given the above, and after an educational visit to Constructed language and List of constructed languages I am now of the opinion that Poliespo is not "decently well known", and does not deserve an attempt to create an article about it. David notMD (talk) 08:30, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

73.127.147.187 David notMD I wasn't saying we should make a full article, I was saying that we should elaborate more on existing information. jan Keso (talk) 09:46, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Lack of references independent of Waldon still applies. David notMD (talk) 11:15, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

David notMD There is 0 other information that exists that, if existing, would be seen as Wikipedia-friendly. At least that's what I concluded from what you said. jan Keso (talk) 20:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@JanKeso, that looks like two different articles, smashed together. Is it about his crime, or the language? People who are known only for a crime are not considered notable, and @David notMD, at least, isn't sure the language exists. (Your sentence "There is 0 other information that exists that, if existing, would be seen as Wikipedia-friendly" made my head explode.) 73.127.147.187 (talk) 02:52, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

73.127.147.187 I mean the language. The languages does exist, there is information in many areas about it that Wikipedia doesn't see as reliable but is jan Keso (talk) 13:48, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

JanKeso, wait, "there is information in many areas about it that Wikipedia doesn't see as reliable but is" means what exactly? If Wikipedia doesn't see something as reliable then it is not reliable for Wikipedia and therefore is not valid to use to prove notability of anything. No other "is" matters. To your point, and I believe it has been brought out in the discussion, a subject that is "well known" in your estimation is not a reason to create an article or a defense against deletion. The sources must be present and they must be "Wikipedia-friendly" as you say. We call that a reliable source. --ARoseWolf 14:04, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Wolf So, if it isn't a reliable source, it doesn't exist? Got it. jan Keso (talk) 14:12, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Wolf Also, if Poliespo isn't notable enough to be on Wikipedia, then we need to remove the section about Poliespo as it is "too minor". jan Keso (talk) 14:13, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

JanKeso, the existence of a non-reliable primary or secondary source is irrelevant to Wikipedia policy on the matter. But for all intents and purposes, no, the source does not exist if it is being used to prove notability. The words "two minor" were never used by myself. I have only pointed to notability by Wikipedia's definition of it and only reliable and verifiable independent secondary sources can be used to confirm that notability. I'll encourage you to review or re-review WP:RS, WP:N and WP:V. --ARoseWolf 14:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

WikiSource Markup's future

Hello, I am Narutmaru! I thought, since the VisualEditor is now here, will the WikiMarkup be closed? It is a pain in the butt for many new editors, and its honestly much more easier to work with. Regards, Narutmaru . To contact me, visit my Talk Page. 11:39, 18 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narutmaru (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia:VisualEditor has been around for many years, but still has many limitations, so there are no plans to remove WikiMarkup at present. Hopefully both options will continue to be improved. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Narutmaru, a standard way to contact any editor is to do so on their talk page; and so such an invitation really isn't needed, other perhaps than when addressed to the occasional newbie. -- Hoary (talk) 13:25, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

@Narutmaru: ...instead, you can just drop four tildes ~~~~ to sign your comment automatically and drop an automatic link to both your user and talk page. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 14:27, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

If WikiMarkup was removed I would retire immediately. I personally cannot deal with Visual Editor. SK2242 (talk) 14:45, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

Ya, i think tht for those who want markup, they can use, but for those who want to use visual also need to have same amount of features as markup editors.

Regards, Narutmaru . To contact me, visit my Talk Page. 14:55, 18 April 2022 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Narutmaru (talk • contribs)

It won't, and wiki markup can do things that the visual editor hasn't been able to yet, like modify table cells. The visual editor is an ongoing project and it still hasn't come out of beta yet. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:59, 18 April 2022 (UTC)

I have found the Visual Editor surprisingly usable, and certainly so when compared to WYSIWYG editors I have had to deal with on other platforms. That said, I still find myself gravitating toward source editing, and I suspect many beginner editors would be more open to it if they were made aware of syntax highlighting. It's an obvious functionality if you have worked with just about any kind of code before, but that still won't be the case for the majority. Dr. Duh 🩺 (talk) 11:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, wiki markup can still be used to do things that the visual editor currently cannot. For example, in the Template namespace, the <noinclude>, <includeonly>, and <onlyinclude> tags regulate what appears when the template is called. Visualeditor currently cannot be used on the Template namespace. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 15:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

draft deleted

Hello, I was wondering why a draft article would be deleted? D. Bruce Means was deleted by Athaenara but I was still working on it. Thank you! Billie J Jackson (talk) 16:32, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Athaenara: Pinging deleting admin. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 16:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Donald Bruce Means page was also deleted. I had a question to my admin advisor on how I do a redirect. Billie J Jackson (talk) 16:45, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Admin Nick Moyes is helping me on this. He was going to inform me if there was an issue with copyrighting, etc. Billie J Jackson (talk) 16:47, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello Billie J Jackson and welcome to the Teahouse. I went through what was said on your user talk page and what you wrote in various places and I need some clarification before I can answer your question properly. It may seem silly but this will help us. Is the D. Bruce Means the same as the Dr. Donald Bruce Means with which you have disclosed conflict of interest as noted on your user page? Normally drafts here have Draft:article name but this one doesn't which leads me to believe the article was in main article space which might explain the issue. You can request the draft be undeleted and moved to your user space f you are working on it but drafts, either in draft space or your user space are not kept forever. To request an undeletion you can go here. --ARoseWolf 16:49, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi ARoseWolf, thanks for getting back to me. I've only worked on the draft for a couple of weeks so it should not of been deleted especially since I've been working on it every couple days (it's not just sitting there). The article topic has been pre-verified as relevant by an admin who is also helping me with the scientific information on the page. And yes, D. Bruce Means is the same as Dr. Donald Bruce Means. Sorry about that, I need to research what is the standard way to refer to someone in Wikipedia. Billie J Jackson (talk) 16:58, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Billie J Jackson, I apologize but I don't see where you have worked on any of these articles when looking at your contributions. Did you use a different account when editing that article? Also, lookig at your user talk page it appears you submitted a draft for review. Was that draft rejected? Did Dr. Means have an article in main space that was deleted as you seem to reference above? --ARoseWolf 17:06, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@ARoseWolf: if you look at Billie's talk page you can find the link to the article they were working on that was deleted. D. Bruce Means it was deleted as overtly promotional but was originally tagged as Promotional and a copyright violation. It also was not in the draft space so it was subject to deletion at any time. Billie, I would recommend you probably start fresh in your own words and just give the facts based on secondary sourcing at DRAFT:D. Bruce Means McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 17:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

I'm sorry if I accidentally deleted something but the article was suppose to be in drafts and the sentence the admin was talking about was one sentence out of the whole article. Not to mention I had an admin and an investigative journalist working with me on this who hadn't had a chance to read it yet. It took me forever to source all of the new species he has named and found. I really need it put back in drafts. Feel free to strip the top general info if you would like but I'll be losing hours of work which I am volunteering to do a for a notable scientist after I tried to find out more information on him after reading the April National Geographic cover story about finding new species in South America. Billie J Jackson (talk) 17:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Mcmatter, thank you but that was the first place I went to and I looked at the deletion rationale. My concern is a) the disclosed COI and b) helping the user understand that they were NOT, in fact, editing a draft but an article in main space and c) they say Nick has been helping them yet I see no correspondence on either users talk page beyond Nick's welcome message. Perhaps the correspondence was on the now deleted article's talk page. Billie J Jackson, you may do as Mcmatter suggests or you may start the article in your user space User:Billie J Jackson/D. Bruce Means. The third option is to request undeletion as I have explained by going to link I posted above. --ARoseWolf 17:29, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Since it seems my honestly is being questioned, below is the email from Nick which you can absolutely verify with him. I already asked for it to be undeleted although I'm not sure how it was live when in fact it hadn't gone through the approval process. I don't have time to restart from scratch and I shouldn't have to since it was still in drafts.

‪Nick Moyes‬ mentioned you on ‪Wikipedia:Teahouse‬ in "‪New Article‬".

@Billie J Jackson Although I’m pretty busy right now, I’d be extremely happy to help you create the article, as it falls into my area of interest....

View mention ‪Nick Moyes‬ View changes Billie J Jackson (talk) 17:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Please don't mistake my inquiry as questioning your honesty. That is not the case in the slightest. I am trying to determine how this happened and what options you have going forward. You can request the article be undeleted and moved to your user space. McMatter is correct that it was in main space because as I pointed out it would have Draft: in front of the article name if it was in draft space. if you have made the request then hopefulyl it will get reviewed and the article moved into your user space. Bear in mind that any copyrighted material can not remain and must be removed or not added back to the article, what ever you decide, or it may be deleted again for the same reasons. --ARoseWolf 17:54, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

• Things I don't understand here include: "raw ra raraerara", "my admin advisor", "we are afraid that you will die from THE MEASLES", "like Hellen Keller", "pre-verified as relevant by an admin" (not a standard procedure here)... – Athaenara ✉ 20:24, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

  Some of that was vandalism. I've removed it. 199.208.172.35 (talk) 20:52, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks for that. – Athaenara ✉ 21:00, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Athaenara, Billie J previously brought this subject to the Teahouse and had a discussion with Nick in which Nick said they would review the draft of this article and help change inline external sources to cited references. Nick was not acting in an admin position but as a fellow editor that has a common interest with Billie J. I believe this technical assistance along with the fact Nick is an admin is what led Billie J, a new editor, to believe that Nick is their admin advisor. They also, erroneously, believe that an admin can pre-verify relevance of an article. Relevance is not a pre-qualifier for notability and that's why I cautioned this editor to read policy before going back to article creation. But as it was supposed to be a draft in the first place I believe the article should be undeleted and moved to Billie J's userspace for them to remove the copyrighted material and give them the opportunity to resubmit the draft for acceptance once any puffery is removed. I can't see the history of the article so I can't say what happened or how it was moved to mainspace or if it was initially created in mainspace by mistake. --ARoseWolf 12:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Now at User:Billie J Jackson/Donald Bruce Means (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), hope this is satisfactory. – Athaenara ✉ 14:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Billie J Jackson, see the link above this message to the draft article in your userspace. Thank you for your patience and understanding as we have tried to work through this issue. Athaenara, thank you for your gracious response and for your understanding throughout the discussion. I believe this is more than satisfactory. --ARoseWolf 15:04, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

ARoseWolf I truly appreciate your time and understanding for a new user. Thank you so much for your help with this. Billie J Jackson (talk) 16:08, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Advice for a beginner editor

Hello. I'm eager to begin contributing to Wikipedia, but I'm not sure where to start. Aside from fixing the mistakes I see while reading different articles, I'm not sure how else I can contribute. Thanks. BlueNoise (talk) 03:14, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

hi BlueNoise! you can look for Task center for stuff to do here. I started with copyediting/fixing typos and errors and removing vandalism, perhaps WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors or Counter-Vandalism Unit would also be of interest for you? happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 03:17, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I'll look into that, thank you! :) BlueNoise (talk) 03:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

BlueNoise, if you're a beginner, I advise you not to attempt to counter vandalism. A moderate understanding of Wikipedia's relevant policies and guidelines is necessary for that, and beginners don't have it. Fixing typos is a good start, then making judicious additions and other improvements (referenced, of course); and when you're confident of your abilities there -- meaning that you've done a lot without being reverted (other than perhaps by a few dubious editors) -- you're welcome to counter vandalism. -- Hoary (talk) 05:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I wish I could say CV is easy for new editors to get the hang of, however you do have a good point: CV is complex, hectic and not really the best place for a new editor who hasn't already lurked in a hundred WP: pages beforehand (cough me). while I'm at it, I've also went and moved that over at Task center which currently states that CV is [s]uitable for all editors. 💜  melecie  talk - 10:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

In general, I don't think that inexperienced editors should attempt to police Wikipedia, unless perhaps the policing consists of reporting infractions to the relevant page, so that other editors can look into it and, if appropriate, take action. I often see edits described as vandalism when they aren't vandalism (however deleterious they may be). More grotesque is the huffy "correction" of spellings from conventionally British to conventionally American or vice versa, the earlier version (which more often than not is the appropriate one according to WP guidelines) being described as having a grammar mistake. -- Hoary (talk) 13:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Something that anyone can do, and which is potentially super-useful, is check up on those changes where someone modifies a date-of-birth or some teeny detail like this. There are vandals out there who make that sort of change because it's unlikely to trigger CyberBot, and it's hard to detect, and there are misguided people who do it because they think they know the real date, but they've made a mistake. The only real way to correct this stuff is to chase a source and check what the date really is. There is the lazy option of simply reverting the change as "unexplained" or "unsourced", but of course an IP editor might be quite knowledgeable and totally correct. We can't trust them blindly, but we can treat their edit as a warning sign that the date is dubious and requires checking. This is very low-key, invisible counter-vandalism work, but it's a lot more valuable than the slashing cutlass-drawn, leaping-through-windows-to-arrest-the-criminal swashbuckling end of anti-vandalism because it requires a human detective. The only knowledge required is Wikipedia says, right or wrong, what the source says. Elemimele (talk) 16:43, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

When to use sfn rather than a full “cite x” template

When should you use the sfn template instead of a full citation? Is it just when the reference has been cited before in the article, or is it more complicated? Speatle (talk to me) please ping me when replying to something I said. 16:24, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Speatle, for citing a reference more than once see Help:Footnotes#Footnotes: using a source more than once. Shortened references are another way of referencing. It is helpful to know how to do it if you are adding material to an article that uses that approach. See Help:Shortened footnotes. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:26, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Speatle Per WP:REFVAR you follow the established cite-style (if there is one, there should be). In Shakespeare authorship question you use the harvnb form (very similar to sfn:[4]), in Marlowe portrait the other form. If you want to repeat a cite in the second case, see WP:REFNAME. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Can warnings be given to IPs?

I cleared out a bunch of vandals today but didnt think of putting warnings since they are IPs. Should I? Carpathianflorist (talk) 15:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Carpathianflorist: It can't hurt. IPs can be dynamic or static, so it's not a certainty that the vandals will even be reading the warnings, much less heeding them, but if nothing else it serves as a marker for other editors who may subsequently encounter vandalism from these addresses and/or monitoring activities from a given IP range. --Finngall ^talk 16:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Carpathianflorist (talk) 16:39, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Caveat, I do not know correct policy and may be wrong about this. If you're using the term "Vandal" correctly, for things that are obviously intended to mess up Wikipedia, I tend not to bother with the warnings because (1) they probably aren't listening, and might not even notice; (2) it will probably only encourage them; (3) warnings-as-a-prelude-to-blocking aren't needed because if they keep doing it, the best option is to ask for page protection, and in any case, the IP will only get blocked for a bit because IPs tend to change; (4) if they're on an IP range rather than a simple IP, they won't see your message because in half a minute they'll be on a different bit of the range. And life is too short to bother. If, however, it's someone who's "vandalising" in the sense of trying to do something useful but making a complete mess of it because they're misguided, or don't know what they're doing technically, I will try to communicate. In this situation, I used the edit summary, the article talk-page and the IP's talk page according to which I think is most likely to get through, but it's an up-hill struggle. Note that this second sort of situation is not vandalism in the wikipedia sense, even if the result is often similar! Good luck! Elemimele (talk) 16:34, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Carpathianflorist, Girth Summit, and Elemimele: iirc, my understanding from doing Counter-vandalism academy training is that user warnings are important, regardless of whether it's an IP address or a registered editor that is vandalizing pages. Pages are typically protected when the vandalism is coming from mutiple IPs/editors. If you're reporting someone to WP:ANV, it's nessecary to have warned them beforehand. Clovermoss (talk) 18:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Clovermoss, long time no chat - nice to find a ping from you at the top of my screen. You are correct - I would always advise people to apply warnings to vandals, whether they are accounts or IPs, in all but the most egregious of circumstances (i.e. if you're reporting them directly to AIV). Elemimile is correct that much of the time the don't read them, but at least they have been given due notice, and the warnings are informative for other patrollers. Girth Summit _(blether) 18:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Okay, I stand corrected on that one! I still recommend using meaningful edit-summaries though, and I'd really recommend being a bit gentle about it, because if the IP address is shared, or if it's dynamically reallocated by the ISP to some other person, the warning will hit some random innocent person who didn't commit the original vandalism. Templated warnings can be a bit alarming to someone who's never done anything wrong and is only a casual editor anyway. Elemimele (talk) 18:40, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I'll typically add a templated warning but one that allows for me to add optional wording. I can usually soften the blow of being slapped with "disruptive", "unconstructive" or "vandalism" with a few short and simple words. I do that whether I think it may be deliberate or not. A large percentage of vandals are probably children or youths that really don't understand how disruptive their editing can be or maybe they don't think about the consequences. By warning them with stern yet personable messages I feel, if they look at the warnings, they may gain understanding that will potentially pull them in to become better editors rather than push them away. If they don't look at the warnings then at least I feel I have tried. --ARoseWolf 18:57, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Oh yeah, for sure - only revert without a meaningful edit summary for obvious vandalism. If someone's removing sourced content, you just have to type 'rv unexplained removal'; if they're adding unsourced crap, it's 'rv unsourced'; if they've just typed some random characters, 'rv apparent test edit' is your friend, etc. You can give IPs templated warnings for stuff like that, but if you get the sense that they're actually trying to be helpful and just don't know what they're doing, it's much better to give them some personal advice about how to do it properly. But templating obvious IP vandals is definitely good practice. Girth Summit _(blether) 22:31, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Family history

I was led to believe I am of Prussian decent, but I cannot get family information. Any help? 2603:7080:DE37:5900:90C9:785C:974B:3BF6 (talk) 21:33, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over 6.4 million articles and thought we were affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is for asking questions related to using or contributing to Wikipedia itself. Thus, we have no special knowledge about the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the upper right side of your screen. If you cannot find what you are looking for, we have a reference desk, divided into various subject areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 21:39, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

We can't help with genealogy-related questions, IP. In fact, given how vague the question is, you'd have a hard time finding anyone who could help you even on a genealogy site. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 22:54, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Facing an issue to publish the Wikipedia page

Hi, I am facing an issue to publish the Wikipedia page. Can you assist me to make it live?

This is the page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Torglenn1776/sandbox#Tor_Glenn_Melhus, It's currently saved as a draft, I need to publish it live. Torglenn1776 (talk) 16:31, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Torglenn1776: Welcome to the Teahouse. Normally all one has to do to get it reviewed is to put {{subst:submit}} at the top of the page.
However.
It seems you may have misunderstood what Wikipedia is for. It is not for self-promotion; it is strongly discouraged to write about yourself, and no reviewer is going to accept it as an article without any references to reliable sources. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:06, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Torglenn1776 if you haven't done so already you may want to read Help:Your first article which explains, among other things, about the importance of having good reliable references for all that you are stating in your draft article. Best wishes on improving what you've written. Karenthewriter (talk) 22:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Draft:Tor Glenn Melhus - which is more developed than the Sandbox version - has no references, and as such, has no potential for being accepted as an article. David notMD (talk) 22:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

How can I copy text with references (citations) from my sandbox to an article?

I have drafted a short section in my sandbox intending to add this new material to an existing article. I used the sandbox to hone what I want to write and make sure that I have all of the citations correct, rather than trying to do a direct edit to the article. Now I want to copy this section into an existing article. But it does not carry my citations with the text. Is there a way to do this? I have not found a way to copy and paste a reference from one article (or my sandbox) into another.Brucet8585 (talk) 22:59, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Brucet8585 I am guessing that you are trying to cut/paste from what you see in your sandbox. What you need to do is open the Sandbox content using Edit. That will show the references embedded in the text, bracketed by the ref and /ref. Cut/pasting this should work. David notMD (talk) 23:05, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Of course! Thank you David notMD the fact that it actually copied and pasted but without the references just confused me! Another rookie error. Brucet8585 (talk) 23:17, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Sounds like advertising

Hi, folks. I'm on my first submission - Al Hasan Mosque. It sounds like an advertisement though. I've added an infobox and whittled down the information and am trying to follow the format of a previously published page for a different one in the area. Should I remove their website from the article? The 'blatant advertisement' info page mentioned this. Am I saying too much about how it was designed? Advice would be appreciated, if allowed. Thanks. Teacher Samara (talk) 11:48, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Teacher Samara, it might help a little if you added a statement about when the mosque was built. Maproom (talk) 12:35, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, I had it in there but took it out cause I put it in the infobox. I'll put it back in. Teacher Samara (talk) 12:36, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Teacher Samara, having an official website under External links is fine, even sort of encouraged: WP:ELOFFICIAL. Per WP:ABOUTSELF you can even cite it for simple facts. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Thanks! Teacher Samara (talk) 23:21, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Data center page - Aisle containment

I'm slightly worried that the citation I added in for this section is an advert, can someone please check it?

Data center - Wikipedia Grammer Nerd (talk) 19:19, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Grammer Nerd: I don't see what citation you're referring to. I see no citations added by you. Do you mean Wikilinks? Pyrrho the Skipper (talk) 19:28, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Yes, wikilinks, those. I was wondering if using "This is similar to how large cool rooms at large warehouse club work, such as Costco or Sam's Club." as an example Is an advert to those companies. Grammer Nerd (talk) 19:33, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Spam#Avoiding giving an opportunity to spammers. Wikipedia articles generally do not need to give unsourced examples of companies that do some common, generic thing. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 19:43, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Ah, thanks! Grammer Nerd (talk) 01:35, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Help getting draft approved

Hello,

I've been editing this page - Draft:Arunabha Ghosh and had it rejected in the past due to these reasons -

This topic is not sufficiently notable for inclusion in Wikipedia.

This submission is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia.

I'm wondering if anyone can look over the citations and the content and let me know if it looks okay? We have written the draft by following the mentioned guidelines, adding independent and reliable citations.

Any help would be much appreciated! Vrushabhj (talk) 08:17, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Vrushabhj Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Who is "we"? Only a single person should be operating your account. If you are associated with this person, you must read WP:COI and WP:PAID. Your draft was unfortunately rejected and as such will not be considered further. Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about someone and what they do- a Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. "Significant coverage" goes beyond merely documenting what the person has done or their professional qualification, and involves independent analysis as to their significance or importance. Though it may sound odd, you actually have too many sources. Fewer high quality sources are better than a large number of poor quality sources. 331dot (talk) 08:52, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

User has stated at the AFC HD that they are editing for their CEO. 331dot (talk) 08:56, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, We need help in finding out why this article - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Arunabha_Ghosh is being rejected. There is no paid contributions for this article. The article is written using independent & reliable sources without any financial stake & following all the required guidelines.

Is there any particular content section that is being rejected for not meeting the guidelines? Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks. Anishanigam (talk) 11:37, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

Please see the answer given above. The draft will not be considered further. Shantavira|^{feed me} 11:50, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Anishanigam, @Vrushabhj, if the editor who created the draft works for the person the article is written about (editing for their CEO), then that is considered "Paid" on Wikipedia. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 03:22, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

proper setting of access-date when archive-url is added

Suppose a citation has an "url" that has become dead, you add an "archive-url" parameter and presumably check that it contains the content to support the claim, then should "access-date" be left alone or should it be updated to reflect the current date? Fabrickator (talk) 19:01, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Fabrickator I leave the old access date, since that's presumably supposed to be about the date the original source was viewed, not the date I added the archive. I don't think there's any official guidance on this anywhere. -- asilvering (talk) 23:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)

@Asilvering I would point out that the access date is not something that's specific to Wikipedia, it's specified in the various citation styles, essentially stating when the web content was accessed. My personal rationale is that in light of the ephemeral nature of the web, it's the author's assertion as to the fact that the content was available on a specified date, and a more recent date is inherently preferable (e.g. better to claim that the content was available last week rather than that it was available 10 years ago). That said, updating it just because you happened to view it woud be annoying to say the least. Fabrickator (talk) 04:49, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Info to add

I don’t know nearly enough to add any information to a Wikipedia page, but would like to let someone know about a person to add. I was looking up Chilean sculptors and could not find anything about Oscar Plandiura. I have several of his sculptures and he is incredibly talented. Could you please ask someone to add him to the lists of Chilean sculptors? Thank you so much. 2603:8000:F3C:9700:108E:28EF:EDEE:A3F1 (talk) 16:00, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello IP and welcome to the Teahouse! Thank you for making your inquiry here. We are always in need of new editors so, if you would like to be an editor and contribute we can help you. I never cease to be amazed by the incredible talents that human beings can possess. I am sure you enjoy those sculptures a lot. As far as an article goes, you can request the article be created here but it may not be created very quickly, if at all because Wikipedia is a volunteer created encyclopedia. You could also decide to create the article yourself. I would suggest reading this if you decide you would like to create it. If the subject is notable enough then I am sure an editor will create the article at some point. Again, so glad you stopped by and I really hope you decide to stick around and join our editing community. --ARoseWolf 16:53, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Dashboard?

Hello, i haven't contributed in quite a while but thought i would get back into it, i remember the last time i used WP there was a dashboard-like page where you could choose to do various things like patrolling new articles and edits, etc.

I recall it being called something like WP:Dashboard but that's a different page, it was definitely a WP: page though.

OGWFP (talk) 18:23, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

@OGWFP, things have moved around a bit. Take a look at Wikipedia:Maintenance and its links. StarryGrandma (talk) 18:39, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

OGWFP, just to add, Welcome Back! Good to see you are well. --ARoseWolf 18:43, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, OGWFP, and welcome! WP:Dashboard has an overview of discussions and requests. You might also be looking for something like WP:Community portal, which has a list of some things you can do on Wikipedia. If you're looking for changes that have been just been made, you can check out Special:RecentChanges. Happy editing! Perfect4th (talk) 18:44, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

And if you want to get some additional suggestions as to what edits are needed you can enable the Growth Team Features and check out the suggested edits on the Homepage Tab. Of course, this will assign you a mentor but if you don't ask any questions of them then an experienced editor will generally not be bothered. I typically only write new editors when they pop up in my list as a way to welcome them and let them know I'm here to help them. --ARoseWolf 18:52, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you, i think the Community portal might be what i remember, it wasn't all that long ago, only a few months.

Edit - It was the Task Center!

OGWFP (talk) 19:08, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Standard newbie question #73482: Can I sort this table?

"Is it ok if I sort the (source) content of this table in an article that I want to work upon?"

I am confident that this is a well worn consideration but I have not yet learned the rules. I am not sure where to look for applicable policy/discussion/guidance.

Yes, I have phrased this (over) generally because I also want to learn a little bit about the balance to expect between "for some articles you should do this" and "on wikipedia in general you should do this" and whatever other perspectives that have not yet occured to me.

2601:1C1:C100:9380:0:0:0:E052 (talk) 18:09, 22 April 2022 (UTC) A Nony Mouse

Hi, IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm not entirely sure what you're referring to. Could you clarify the question a little? If you're asking whether you can sort a table while you're reading the article, yes, you can. If you want to test editing, you can do so here. Perfect4th (talk) 20:27, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Where to find technical internals of wikipedia itself?

Where can one find details about the technical internals of wikipedia, from which web server software is used to what the table software is written in?

[BONUS QUESTION: Where, if any, is a better place to ask questions like the above?]

2601:1C1:C100:9380:0:0:0:E052 (talk) 18:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC) A Nony Mouse

Hello user with the IP adress 2601:1C1:C100:9380:0:0:0:E052, and welcome to to the Teahouse. More information about the internals can be found at Special:Version and meta:Wikimedia servers. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:19, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Thank you Victor_Schmidt.

2601:1C1:C100:9380:0:0:0:E052 (talk) 19:18, 22 April 2022 (UTC)A Nony Mouse

Bonus answer: The best place for technical questions is Wikipedia:Village pump (technical). Cullen328 (talk) 20:55, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Photo copyrights

I added a photo to a page I have edited (William G. Johnsson). It was rejected for lack of copyright authorization. The person who "took" the photo is willing for me to use it. Will an email from that person to me suffice (with a copy of the photo, a statement of owning the photo/having "taken" the photo, and an indication of permission for me to use it on a specified Wikipedia page)? If not, what can I do?

Warren Trenchard Wctrenchard (talk) 18:54, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Wctrenchard: Welcome to the Teahouse. The person who holds the rights must contact Wikipedia themselves, and cannot go through you as a proxy. Please direct them to read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials and possibly Wikipedia's sister project, Wikimedia Commons. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:10, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Wctrenchard The easiest (IMO) way is that the photographer/copyright holder creates an account and upload in themself here. Another way, see instructions at [5]. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:12, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Wctrenchard: If the copyright holder sends an e-mail to VRT with permission, this should be possible. Here is a tool for making release e-mail messages. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 00:10, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Actually, not all licenses are accepted. For example, "non-commercial use only" licenses or "no derivatives allowed" licenses are not allowed on Commons. I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk | contributions) 00:11, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

FSU Archive Question

Just a quick question (I have read the material on references but I'm still not sure). The subject of the article I'm working on is a Professor at Florida State University. He has many archived papers and the link below is one of them. Can I use this as a reference? https://archives.lib.fsu.edu/repositories/10/resources/307. Also since I'm here I wanted to make sure this reference is good https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5974005/. Thank you so much in advance! Billie J Jackson (talk) 19:21, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Billie J Jackson Articles about academics often have a section titled selected publications, which may contain 5-10 examples of their books and more important journal articles, but that information counts as nothing for establishing notability. Essential to have as references what people have published about him. Your second example is to a journal article authored by other people, and not the complete format for journal articles. David notMD (talk) 20:42, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

@Billie J Jackson, the biographical note in the archive link is fine to use as a reference. Materials in the collection that haven't been published aren't. All his published papers are fine as a reference for what he worked on, but not for whether or not he is notable enough to have an article. Solve that problem first. Are there multiple published reviews of his books? Does he meet one of the other criteria in WP:PROF. StarryGrandma (talk) 20:54, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Adjunct Professor is not the same as Professor. David notMD (talk) 03:08, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Title

Who are you? 70.118.237.82 (talk) 00:23, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor, and welcome! This is the Teahouse, which is a place experienced editors can answer questions about contributing to Wikipedia. Are you asking about a specific article? Perfect4th (talk) 00:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Teahouse hosts (volunteers) are usually nice people, but given that your first edit was senseless vandalism, not so much for you. David notMD (talk) 03:13, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Uploading Images

I have been in wikipedia for near to 1o months. I have got majority ideas on editing and still working on my sandbox to improve. The only problem I'm facing is uploading images. I basically do the articles on Malayalam movies. I wish to upload the images that are shared by the crew members or production house official social media pages. Can you please guide me in this? Uploading images from social media. I have gone through many articles and I can't understand it fully.Paavamjinn (talk) 18:03, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Image use policy should have the answers you need. Toofllab (talk) 18:53, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

@Paavamjinn The basic assumption is that any random picture you see on social media is copyrighted and can't be used on WP. The copyright holder, usually the photographer, has to release it under the right license, and posting something on say Facebook is far from that. It's sad, but it's law. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:26, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Gråbergs Gråa Sång but in many cases of malayalam movies articles the movie posters are used which are uploaded in social media pages. Whether in fb, twitter etc. So can I upload the movie posters from there.Paavamjinn (talk) 21:40, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi Paavamjinn. If you can find movie posters which have been clearly released by their copyright holders under a free license that Wikipedia accepts, then it might be OK to upload such files. You need to be very careful though and makes sure the website is actually under the control of the copyright holder of the movie poster. People upload images to social media accounts or websites for variety or reasons, but that doesn't mean they're the copyright holder of the image. So, you should look for official websites for the movies or those you produce the movies for such movie posters because most likely those are the only types of websites that are going to allow for the copyright status of the poster to be properly verified. Same goes for other images related to Malayam movies; you need to make sure the image has been uploaded by the copyright holder of the image and has been released under a license that Wikipedia accepts. Now, it might be possible to upload movie posters as non-free content as long as the way the file is going to be used meets Wikipedia's non-free content use policy, but that can be sometimes tricky to assess; so, if you have a specific movie poster in mind, you can ask about it at Wikipedia:Media copyright questions (MCQ) and someone there should be able to help you. Other types of images tend to be much harder to use as non-free content; so, I strongly suggest you ask for some input at MCQ before trying to upload any of them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:54, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

@Paavamjinn, "So can I upload the movie posters from there." As @Gråbergs Gråa Sång and @Marchjuly clearly said in different words, "No". MarchJuly's response says where to ask for more info. I hope this helps. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:25, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Autobiography

How can I post an autobiographical essay to Wikipedia or to another website and preserve it in original form in perpetuity; for historical purposes? Strongaspruce (talk) 03:01, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

@Strongaspruce: Writing, autobiographies on Wikipedia is strongly discouraged, so this isn't the place for it. People have to meet notability guidelines and adhere to a number of policies. Other websites where this might be done will have their own procedures. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:10, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

@Strongaspruce, try WP:DIROUT. 73.127.147.187 (talk) 05:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)