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June 30

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June 30, 2018 (2018-06-30) (Saturday)
Armed conflicts and attacks

Law and crime
  • Crime in Toronto
    • Two persons are killed, and one injured, in a shooting in downtown Toronto. These are the 49th and 50th murders this year, marking a surge of violence in the city. (CBC)

Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Arvid Carlsson

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Article: Arvid Carlsson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nobel Prize winner. Death announced on June 30. Zanhe (talk) 01:19, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Referencing needs attention. There's also big holes in the biography, eg how did he go from University of Gothenburg (1959) to Astra AB (date not specified)? Are any personal details available apart from his having a daughter? Espresso Addict (talk) 01:38, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Espresso Addict: I've added more sources and some background about his work at Astra (he was always at Gothenburg after 1959, but collaborated with Astra in the 70s and 80s while working for the university). Also added info about family and awards. -Zanhe (talk) 04:41, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

June 29

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June 29, 2018 (2018-06-29) (Friday)
Business and economy

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

(Posted) RD: Matt Cappotelli

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Article: Matt Cappotelli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): People.com, CNN, & New York Post
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former wrestler for WWE. Nikki♥311 03:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD Gudrun Burwitz

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Article: Gudrun Burwitz (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post & etc.
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Only daughter of Reichsführer Heinrich Himmler. She remained loyal to his memory and largely denied Nazi war crimes and genocide throughout her life. Article is short but not in bad shape and adequately referenced. She died in May but the news was only just announced. Ad Orientem (talk) 17:32, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose as stale Not a recent death. No need to go out of way to post this death which occured a over a month ago.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:02, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
From what I can tell, the German newspaper Bild only reported the death on June 29th, the first report of her death. That does not make it stale for us if the death is only first covered some time after it happens. --Masem (t) 22:59, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support reconsidered after reading procedure for posting. The article is well-sourced.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:12, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Two refs added and I removed the claim about being baptized Protestant though I am not sure that should hold up posting. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:05, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Kwesi Amissah-Arthur

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Stale. Stephen 11:00, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Kwesi Amissah-Arthur (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 ghost 12:08, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Temporarily oppose Many of the references fail on closer inspection. I tried fix some but I ran into a lot of backward copy right violations in Ghanaian media sources about his death which copy chunks of text from Wikipedia making hard to add new sources.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 04:51, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. There's precisely nothing about what he did during his term as Vice-President. Additionally, could someone knowledgeable in this area confirm that the MyJoyOnline & GhanaWeb websites, which support nearly all the text, are reliable? Espresso Addict (talk) 05:09, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Neither website is reliable. Both sites copied from Wikipedia for their obits: [1] [2]. I checked some of their past reporting on this person and found similar reverse plagiarism from Wikipedia to their articles.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 05:50, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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June 28

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June 28, 2018 (2018-06-28) (Thursday)
Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Sports

(Closed) Capital Gazette shooting

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It's becoming clear that there isn't any consensus to post this. Discussion on the merits of WP:MINIMUMDEATHS can continue on its WP:RFD discussion. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 00:56, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

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Article: Capital Gazette shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 5 people are killed in a shooting in the U.S. at the Capital Gazette newspaper offices in Annapolis, Maryland (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ At least 5 people are killed in a shootingin the U.S. at a newspaper office in Annapolis, Maryland.
News source(s): Guardian
Credits:
 2600:387:A:9:0:0:0:76 (talk) 21:29, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Capital Gazette shooting. 5 dead, dozens injured. Appears to be a mass shooting event.

@Davey2116 WP:MINIMUMDEATHS isn’t an official policy, but it does provide enough evidence to show what kinds of disasters get posted onto ITN and which do not. Hornetzilla78 (talk) 22:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Actually it doesn't, it's based on a random sampling of postings gathered by a single editor over a brief period of time, and does not in any way aggregate the long history of postings at ITN. Further, it flies in the face of WP:ITN#Purpose. Oh well. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:04, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per the “shootings in the United States” bia. Shootings in the United States are far too common, and often times set a dangerous standard on what gets posted to ITN. I will not interfere with future impact per WP:CRYSTALBALL, but I will state this: shootings were the fatality count is in the single-digits will almost certainly never get posted to ITN. Hornetzilla78 (talk) 22:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Isn't the newspaper owned by Tronc? Apparently owned by The Baltimore Sun, which is owned by Tronc. If that is the case, we need to fix this in the article first.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:18, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed and added corporate response.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:49, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is it news that DT says he's praying for journalists? – Sca (talk) 22:21, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose not ITN worthy right now, given the death toll is only in the single digits. Tillerh11 (talk) 22:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The proposed blurbs are unclear. In what country did this event occur? Chrisclear (talk) 22:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • After a jolly past couple of days of beating cricket bats against American editors for daring to nominate the retirement of some judge in some court somewhere, this is just what ITN/C needs is a rousing discussion on the clockwork brouhaha that is gun violence in the United States. Absolutely wonderful.
  • Oppose per WP:MINIMUMDEATHS.--WaltCip (talk) 22:58, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose In addition to the fact that this is an unfortunately but oft repeated gun tragedy in the US, it is getting coverage bias as all the outlets I spot checked are arguing this as a threat to journalism and the like. There's no indication this was an international terrorism act, though I'd reconsider once the authorities (who have the perp in custody) learn more. --Masem (t) 23:04, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support' per WP:MINIMUMDEATHS a made up non standard which is utterly worthless and has no value whatsoever, and per WP:ITN#Purpose which actually does have value. Easily as significant as some people killed in a Venezuelan night club, or a prison, or whatever unsafe building burns down in Venezuela next month. Come on. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:07, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) x ad nauseum Oppose Sorry, but absent something that adds to the notability of this tragedy, a death toll of five is not enough for ITN. Nor is that a US specific observation. If this had occurred in the Vatican or Buckingham Palace, I'd probably support. But violent crime is an unhappy occurrence all over the world. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:07, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Mass shootings are routine in the United States. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pile on Oppose there are a number of problems with this nomination, but the main two that stand out: the article is not in in the best condition, and the fact that the death toll is far too low to warrant an ITN posting as the writer of the MINIMUMDEATHS “policy” states “5 or even 10 deaths is insufficient.” This is nothing more than yet another minor shooting in the gun-loving nation known as the United States. SamaranEmerald (talk) 23:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Lets just be clear, so I'm gonna put in bold caps and swear: THERE IS NO MINIMUM DEATHS THAT'S MADE UP BULLSHIT USED PRIMARILY TO KEEP "US-CENTRIC" STORIES OFF THE MAIN PAGE -- IT'S NOT A POLICY IT'S A USER SPACE ESSAY AND IT HAS NO VALUE. You're welcome. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:19, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - five deaths simply doesn't meet the threshold of notability required for ITN, especially considering the extenuating circumstances - the frequency of mass shootings in the states. Hence, I have to oppose. On a side note, WP:MINIMUMDEATHS is not "policy", and should not be considered thusly, despite the fact that it is an interesting and useful catalogue of the seemingly arbitrary thresholds applied at ITN through time. Please do not cite it as a rationale for a !vote. Stormy clouds (talk) 23:40, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is in the news here in Australia, packaged with observations about the increasing encouragement by conservative politicians and others to do nasty things to journalists. It's the latter that makes this globally newsworthy. HiLo48 (talk) 23:47, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Global news, horrible, and it seems "newsier" because it happened to a newspaper.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:49, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose minor shooting, would you nominate this if it occurred in another country? 174.231.136.94 (talk) 23:51, 28 June 2018 (UTC)— 174.231.136.94 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Yes, I would if the news was getting international coverage.---Coffeeandcrumbs 23:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In U.K., The Independent: "Maryland shooting: Capital Gazette staff share harrowing messages after gunman opens fire in Annapolis newspaper building"
In Australia, The Mercury: "Multiple people dead in US newspaper office shooting"
In Canada, The Toronto Star: "Five dead, many injured in shooting at Capital Gazette newsroom in Annapolis, Maryland"
In Germany, Stuttgarter Zeitung: "Schüsse in US-Zeitungsredaktion - Mehrere Tote"
I could go on with newspapers from every developed or developing country in the world. ---Coffeeandcrumbs 23:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In New Zealand, Television New Zealand: "Details on Maryland newspaper gunman: white male believed to be armed with shotgun"
In Italy, Corriere della Sera: "Sparatoria in Maryland, assalto alla redazione di un giornale. La polizia: «Cinque morti, fermato un sospetto»"
In Spain, El País: Tiroteo en un periódico de Maryland, en imágenes
In France, France 24: États-Unis : au moins cinq morts dans une fusillade dans un journal d'Annapolis ---Coffeeandcrumbs 00:11, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Getting international coverage is not a requirement nor necessarily supportive prove that an ITNC should be posted, though does show that an event has more than just local interest. --Masem (t) 00:14, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I should mention that there have been many nominations on this board that have received minimal coverage that ended up getting posted, whilst ones with “widespread international coverage” that were nominated but were not posted amongst various reasons. Kirliator (talk) 00:19, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Harlan Ellison

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Article: Harlan Ellison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Vulture, Comicbook.com
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Orange tags for sourcing needed in many sections - so it does need a proper working-on Challenger l (talk) 19:59, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Moscow Mule: it is tons better but the Awards need to be sourced. This might help, but that's really the only thing I see at this point. Good job. --Masem (t) 23:53, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the kind words & encouragement. All the awards are referenced now, unless something's slipped through. Moscow Mule (talk) 06:53, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Rob Hiaasen

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Article: Rob Hiaasen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Baltimore Sun
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 --- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:10, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose, article was created less than two hours ago. Nothing is stopping it from being turned into a redirect or being deleted at AfD. It would be best if this nomination was withdrawn. Abductive (reasoning) 08:20, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why should I withdraw the nomination? IMO, the article is well-sourced. Can you point to any particular problems? I will be sure to address them.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 08:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an issue with the contents of the page? Please point it out. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article. If you believe the subject is not notable I invited to nominate for AFD. Otherwise, your !vote is moot and irrelevant. The person has an article and recently died. Therefore qualifies for inclusion per this RFC.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 11:16, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think he's notable, to be honest. Editors of newspapers can be notable, but they generally have some other claim to fame or are nationally well-known. Mr Hiaasen, it appears, did not. I don't think his single short story in an anthology helps much, either. I'm not going to AfD it because I'm interested in what others think. Black Kite (talk) 14:07, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seems like a pretty clear WP:VICTIM case. We need "significant coverage" in RS for a BLP aside from his killing. ghost 16:01, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this happens every time there is an RD nom for a newly created article. There is no requirement that an article not be new for notability. None. That's made up. If you have a problem with this article vs WP:N then take it to AFD. Opposing on notability grounds is worthless and should be ignored as a meaningless waste of time. Don't like it? Head over to WT:ITN and propose a change. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:23, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment As discussed previously at ITN talk, posthumously-created articles should not be opposed for that reason for RD. As concluded in that discussion, and as Coffeeandcrumbs and LaserLegs note above: if you oppose it on the grounds that the subject is not notable, the appropriate venue is AfD, not here. In my view, the subject is notable enough for an article, so support. Davey2116 (talk) 03:51, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Discussed, yes, but there was a clear lack of consensus. The RD RFC removed the elevated level of significance that exceeded WP:N, but said nothing about assuming notability itself. If an article is AfD'ed, it cannot be considered for ITNC, but the inverse (that anything not nominated is presumed to have met WP:N) is not supported by policy or discussion in the RfC. On the contrary, there is a clear advantage to discussing WP:N at ITNC, as it does not hold up the nom as an AfD would. Requiring such discussion to occur at AfD is a clear violation of WP:BURO. ghost 13:48, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted Stephen 23:10, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Polarizing. Outcomes like this mean that people will be tempted to take such nominated articles to AfD to prevent them from being posted. Again, I urge people to not nominate weak cases such as this one. Abductive (reasoning) 06:22, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It was certainly tempting to go to AFD for this article just to stop this from being posted. Of course, I'm aware this constitutes a WP:POINT...--WaltCip (talk) 11:50, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the same admin who posted it bumped it 5 minutes later. Seems like he was making a point of his own. ghost 14:27, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Did you mean 5 hours?--- Coffeeandcrumbs 02:35, 4 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Women Disobey

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No consensus to post a relatively small-scale protest. Stephen 23:07, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Women Disobey (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ During Women Disobey protests, 575 people are arrested, including U.S. Representative Pramila Jayapal and actress Susan Sarandon (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times, The Independent, Die Zeit
Credits:
 --- Coffeeandcrumbs 07:00, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like a yuge number of arrests over one protest. Plus a congresswoman and a world-famous actress--no small potatoes!Zigzig20s (talk) 16:51, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Protests against teapot dictators in the Middle East dwarf the size of this protest on a regular basis and do not get posted. This didn't even make the front page of the New York Times. This isn't even small French fries. This is a total nothingburger.--WaltCip (talk) 19:42, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@WaltCip, Forgive me if I am not convinced by this argument since you voted against The Times front page article of that day "Per WP:MINIMUMDEATHS." @TRM, this is clearly #OPPOSEALLAMERICANNEWS and you are not even trying hard to hide that fact.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:19, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This and that are two different things.--WaltCip (talk) 23:33, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"@TRM, this is clearly #OPPOSEALLAMERICANNEWS and you are not even trying hard to hide that fact." what are you talking about? I don't even care where this so-called news item took place, it's trivial, not in the news at all, and not worthy of our main page. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:35, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed--- Coffeeandcrumbs 22:22, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - no lasting encyclopedic impact, a minor protest compared to those usually posted at ITN. Stormy clouds (talk) 23:34, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but maybe this would get more support at DYK. Davey2116 (talk) 03:56, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support once the article is improved It's a little short and there's a few red links, but it's very notable. The blurb should be a little more specific about what the event was rather than just calling it by name, though. It's not a total nothingburger by any means; I would personally !vote in favour of posting protests with an equal number of arrests in other countries. It's certainly not trivial either. I tend to agree with TRM, but I am not impressed by the one-word response labeling an event that resulted in nearly six hundred arrests (including the arrest of an incumbent member of congress) as "trivial." I am also wholly unimpressed by WaltCip's response which included a total of zero words of rationale. Wikipedia is not a vote; rationale is what ultimately determines whether a consensus exists or not. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 22:21, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a trivial number of arrests. And utterly inconsequential. Not newsworthy, nothing short of a trivial stunt to gain publicity. How many of the "arrests" have culminated in prosecutions? In the bad old days of European football, we'd get that many arrests at a single football match. Boring, of no consequence, no encyclopedic value, nothing that a real encyclopedia would even mention in passing. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:32, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Whether a demonstration results in ten arrests or a thousand arrests does make a difference in how newsworthy the event is; for sitting members of congress to be arrested and detained is not normal. The number of people jailed does make a difference, and arresting members of the legislative branch is definitely more notable than "arrests" in a football match. Brendon the Wizard ✉️ ✨ 22:43, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Sure, it's a publicity stunt, we get it. It's super trivial. This isn't getting close to the main page. Unless it's via the backdoor, trivia DYK route. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:45, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment "Participants in the event were estimated to number in the thousands.[6] ..." Next. The Rambling Man (talk) 22:46, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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June 27

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June 27, 2018 (2018-06-27) (Wednesday)
Business and economy
  • Shares in African international airline Fastjet fall by 72% amid equity talks amongst shareholders, with the airline warning that trading may be suspended entirely and the company liquidated if a solution is not found. (BBC)

Disasters and accidents

International relations

Law and crime

Politics and elections

Science and technology

Sports

(Posted) Hayabusa2 arrival at Ryugu

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Articles: Hayabusa2 (talk · history · tag) and 162173 Ryugu (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Japanese Hayabusa2 sample-return spacecraft arrives at the asteroid 162173 Ryugu (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The JAXA spacecraft Hayabusa2 arrives at asteroid Ryugu on a sample-return mission
News source(s): The New York Times, PBS Newshour, CNET
Credits:

One or both nominated events are listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Interplanetary spacecraft arrival at its intended destination, more notably Japan's (and humanity's) second ever sample-return mission from the surface of a minor planet. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 22:40, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) U.S. Supreme Court ends its 2018 term

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WP:SNOW close, pretty much a routine occurence in government. Narutolovehinata5 tccsdnew 23:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Supreme Court of the United States (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The U.S. Supreme Court ends the 2018 term with decisions on the U.S. President's travel ban, organized labor, and the retirement of a Justice. (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Suggesting this as a compromise that would include earlier nominations regarding the announced retirement of Justice Kennedy and the Korematsu case, while also including Janus v. AFSCME. StrikerforceTalk 20:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rationale Janus is a case that has wide-reaching potential ramifications to public sector unions. The case is about whether or not a public employee shall be forced to pay any form of union dues (full-fledged member or Fair Share, as described by Abood v. Detroit Board of Education. A primary argument is that the case, if decided in favor of Janus (as it was), opens the door for a mass exodus of union members in the public sector. StrikerforceTalk 20:13, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Justice Kennedy's departure itself is a different discussion, but the end of the Supreme Court term by itself does not really receive the coverage and attention for ITN. Tillerh11 (talk) 20:12, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment interesting idea to post the closing of the term and the scoreboard of rightist victories that came with it, but the haters are going to pile on here like a raft full of Syrian migrants and it's going to sink the same way. Stand by for disappointment, @Strikerforce:. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:17, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've no dog in the fight, @LaserLegs:. I just proposed it as a compromise. I'm open to including different cases. I just REALLY want to see SOMETHING posted today to knock the U.S. Open off of the front page. That tournament ended ten days ago. It's not "in the news" anymore and we look silly having it still listed on the Main Page. StrikerforceTalk 20:21, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I get that but opening the door to the latest Trump-related bragadaccio is not the solution. And whether you like it or not, the story is Trump once again. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:23, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We posted his meet-and-greet with Kim, not the most impactful act from his administration. Trump may be obnoxious and over the top, but he commands the most powerful military and economy in the world, his absurdity does have reach I'm afraid. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:25, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not in English language Wikipedia. By all means create American Wikipedia to cater for all the absurdities of the president. The rest of the English-speaking world will just get on with real news. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:13, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) SCOTUS Justice Kennedy to retire

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no consensus. After this many opinions have been expressed at this length, there is no reasonable chance that a consensus to either post or not post will emerge. Thryduulf (talk) 16:44, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Anthony Kennedy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ United States Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy announces his retirement. (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
Credits:
Nominator's comments: We're clearly likely to post whomever fills the seat (and whether they will rush someone before September, we don't know), but there's already ramifications on this. Kennedy, while a conservative, tended to be the swing vote on issues that fell on those lines. It is very likely the next appointee will be more staunchly conservative, and as such will affect court decisions going forward. Unfortunately, we have little ITN history to judge if this type of nom is appropriate (Scalia died so that got an RD, and I can't tell easily if this nom for Stevens retirement in 2010 got posted). --Masem (t) 18:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC) Masem (t) 18:19, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not local. Might even affect you one day. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:25, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Ridiculous statement, you could apply that "logic" to any story here. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:26, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This is not OR and it is not an example of US-centricism. In what language would you like the importance of this event explained:
Perhaps German: [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9]
How about Italian: [10] [11]
Maybe Arabic would help: [12] [13] [14]
I can keep going. Wikipedia outsources the determination of notability to reliable sources. And RS from around the world clearly show this is huge news whether or not you want it to be or whether or not you think it should be. @The Rambling Man: at the bottom of this discussion, I have about 40 more sources from around the world showing this is HUGE news.---Coffeeandcrumbs 07:02, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Judge is actually considered insufficiently dignified for the 9 highest US, uh, judicial people. They've gotten mad at lawyer(s) who forget to call them justice before. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:47, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how that makes any difference. There are equally as important individuals around the world, but I asked the question, and as yet, no-one has answered it. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:49, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's not crystal ball that Trump will replace a swing voter with a much more right wing justice. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:51, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
And that's therefore not newsworthy. Thanks for clearing that up. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:53, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's 5 vs 4 left wing if the left wing side's slightly lucky, now it'll be 4 vs 5. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 18:59, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Are you actually reading anything that's being written here? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:01, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Very well, crystal ball, 1 country only, not important. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, not "not important", just not ITN. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:23, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "We're clearly likely to post whomever fills the seat". Are we? Why? That would be a local political issue, and so is this. Black Kite (talk) 18:56, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    It's terrifying view into the assumptive nature of American local politics that several users here believe that these kinds of stories are pretty much guaranteed to be posted. The more I think about it, the more that 24 hour delay would be a good idea right now! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah we didn't post Gorsuch, so it would by no means be a done deal. But as I said above this is a more significant appointment because of the shift to the right.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:39, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, the polarized political situation in the US has led to not just a gridlocked political system, but also a polarized SCOTUS. Because the US government and Congress often are incapable of addressing problems, the SCOTUS ends up doing the government's job and making binding decisions and there Kennedy has had the pivotal vote in many cases. So, we're talking about a person who in many cases was more powerful than the US president. Count Iblis (talk) 19:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    And we're talking about an inevitable change which may or may not have future ramifications. So it's not newsworthy. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:23, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Given the way things work in practice in the US, this is far more analogous to Trump announcing he's going to resign (e.g. if Mueller were to recommend impeachment) than just some changes in the Supreme Court of some random country. Count Iblis (talk) 19:34, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    " this is far more analogous to Trump announcing he's going to resign" really???? And for "random country" I guess you mean every other country on planet Earth apart from America? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:46, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    As I said above, it's because the US political system is incapable of making some decisions that most other countries can make, like e.g. deciding whether or not abortion should be legal. If a democratically elected government and Congress cannot make such decisions then it will end up being decided by the courts, albeit in a more narrow sense that comprehensive legislation could do. So, what you have in the US is that a small group of people end up being nominated as de-facto dictator for life to decide those issues that their political system cannot deal with. E.g. it was Kennedy who kept abortion legal. In almost all other democratic countries, the reason why abortion is legal or not legal can always be attributed to decisions taken by the government, the way votes went in parliament, and therefore ultimately to the public opinion. Count Iblis (talk) 15:26, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    And the ideologically median justice has most of that power. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 15:50, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
How is it inevitable? If none of the 2 elderly and 2 young left wing justices die or retire till Jan 2021 (and the current age and ideology distribution gives them immense incentive to not retire) and Kennedy chose to retire at 84.5 instead of 82 and the next president's a Democrat then the exact opposite of your inevitable thing would happen. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 19:51, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What the hell are you talking about? If A and B and then not C then D but E and then F but if G didn't happen then H and I but not J? Seriously? This isn't news to anyone beyond the local politics of the US, and most of that is posited on a crystal ball of what might happen next. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:03, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If no one retires till the President is left of center your inevitable situation doesn't happen. The next presidential election isn't that far away. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So what? The Rambling Man (talk) 20:16, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So you can't call the right-wing cementation of the SCOTUS inevitable. I guess post when he does retire, it's not inevitable that he'll not change his mind either. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:22, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
So the story is either "bloke retires" (zzz) or "right-wing cementation" (original research). So it's not worth posting. I agree with you. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:26, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's hardly original research. BBC. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 20:40, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's speculation as to what may happen. As such this is local politics, and not interesting. Should something materially change in global law, let me know. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I would add that I'm not certain we would post a ideologically similar, relatively uncontroversial SCOTUS appointment. This one will be different. 331dot (talk) 20:39, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If it weren't newsworthy, it wouldn't be on the seven major news sites cited above, and on numerous others as well. Sca (talk) 21:38, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - the story is not that Kennedy is retiring, it is that he will be replaced by Trump's nominee. Everyone is in agreement on this. The time to post, if there is one (I'm not so sure that there is), is upon the Congressional approval of the new justice, not now. Stormy clouds (talk) 21:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. It's all about you-know-who getting to appoint someone to the high court, and that's all it's about. When Kennedy's replacement is announced, not enough will be known about that person to make the nomination ITN material. Sca (talk) 21:46, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Classic US-centrism - to even think of nominating this. Part of all that is wrong with Wikipedia. HiLo48 (talk) 22:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Guy, next year we're going to have three European soccer leagues (possibly four) all around the same time, then the UEFA champion ... you're really gonna complain about "US-centrism". Come on. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:05, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • There are a lot of things wrong with Wikipedia, incivility of certain editors being one of them, but an editor nominating a US-centric item in good faith is not one of those things. WaltCip (talk) 00:55, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Without hyperbole, for the past several years Kennedy has been probably the most influential judge in the world. As such, his retirement announcement is a reasonable candidate for ITN, and there is no doubt it is prominently "in the news" not just in the United States, but worldwide. And if the change of Justice is to be included on ITN, it should be now, rather than on his official retirement date a month from now, or on the confirmation date of a successor who will, at that moment, be far less well-known than Kennedy is today. I acknowledge that there are counterarguments to posting this, including that Kennedy is just one-ninth of the highest court in a particular country; I think the arguments for posting outweigh the arguments against, but reasonable people can disagree. However, I cannot agree with the suggestion that this is an unreasonable nomination, or that it is merely "local politics," or is "crystal-balling," or is "not newsworthy," or is "not interesting," or is "not encyclopedic in value," nor do I think it is necessary for any one editor to repeat his opinion in the same discussion for (as of this writing) literally the twenty-seventh time. Newyorkbrad (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, I agree wholeheartedly with Newyorkbrad. -- Tavix (talk) 23:25, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose even if Kennedy is the most influential judge in the world, he has no authority anywhere except in the US. Banedon (talk) 23:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC) Switch to Support I've been persuaded by Coffeeandcrumbs. Banedon (talk) 04:58, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment suggest close, there is plenty of support but no clear consensus emerging and among the non-supporters (myself included) "wait for his replacement" is emerging as the better time to post this. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:06, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Translation: The best time not to post this. Sca (talk) 01:14, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support even from the wrong side (of the Atlantic). With British politics being so dismal, I started following US politics (Scaramucci et seq.) so I'm only too well aware of the significance of Kennedy's retiral. And it does affect us over here. Thincat (talk) 00:23, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose WP:TOOSOON, the naming of a new justice is more notable. Even then, local politics. --Jamez42 (talk) 00:56, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose For the reasons stated above by The Rambling Man, Black Kite, Ad Orientem, HiLo48. US editors really need to get some perspective here. This is a local politics story, and the chances of a story being posted about a supreme court judge in any other country is almost zero. Chrisclear (talk) 03:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
off-topic power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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⇒ At the risk of provoking yet another anti-American diatribe, I would point out that U.S. residents comprise 77 percent of all native speakers of English worldwide and 38 percent of native and second-language speakers of English worldwide. Sca (talk) 01:03, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a doubtful statistic to me. One that definitely needs a reliable (non-American?) source. It also demands a definition of "second-language speakers of English". The Internet is global. Wikipedia is a global encyclopaedia. (I hope my spelling there is acceptable.) American exceptionalism is a lousy basis on which to build such an entity. HiLo48 (talk) 01:22, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
List_of_languages_by_total_number_of_speakers (as linked by the OP) is a Wikipedia article. You can check the refs, and if they fail WP:RS please tag them or find better ones! We get it, you don't think stories from the worlds largest military and economic power, with a large percentage of the worlds English speakers, should be featured on the English wikipedia, a US non-profit hosted in the Untied States. That's fine, don't worry, next time some cricket players are banned from cricket, or a cricket record is broken, or a cricket game is played, it'll get posted. Don't worry! And fret not, because this nom is clearly dead. Would you kindly move along, you're adding no value. --LaserLegs (talk) 01:35, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Arguments that this is local politics is ridiculous. We post local politics all the time whenever a new head of state of nation is elected. The retirement of a SCOTUS Justice (especially Kennedy, a "swing vote") is a rare event with huge international consequences. It is as important as the election of new POTUS. Let's let the international coverage in reliable sources speak for itself.
It is news in UK: [15] [16] [17] ...in Australia: [18] [19] [20] ...in New Zealand: [21] [22] [23] ...in Canada: [24] [25] [26] ...in Germany: [27] [28] [29] ...in France: [30] [31] [32] [33] ...in Spain: [34] [35] [36] ...in Brazil: [37] [38] [39] ...in India: [40] [41] [42] ...in Japan: [43] [44] [45] ...in China: [46] [47] ...in Singapore: [48] ...in South Africa: [49]
This is huge news everywhere! ---Coffeeandcrumbs 04:16, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
... in Finland [50] [51] [52] ... in Estonia:[53] ...in Ecuador: [54] ...in Denmark: [55] [56] [57] ---Coffeeandcrumbs 04:48, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per the arguments of Newyorkbrad. This is a discussion in which reasonable people may differ; there is no call for complaining about the fact that this was nominated. Lepricavark (talk) 04:17, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - it's a reasonable guess that Justice Kennedy's retirement will result in changes to US laws on abortion, affirmative action, electoral boundaries and gay rights. But the time for a potential ITN is when that reasonable guess is a reality - that is, when the next Supreme Court actually makes the changes. It's also at least possible that reasonable guess will never come to pass - Democrats could delay the replacement until a new Senate, another conservative judge could take up Kennedy's swing vote mantle, the US President could even surprise us all by nominating a moderate. We don't know, and assuming the outcome is wp:crystal at work. Further, as a statement of the obvious, the US Supreme Court is not a multilateral agency and changes in US law on these topics has no impact on law in other countries. For now, an ITN on Kennedy would simply be noting the ending of the career of an eminent jurist in one country - a man worthy of a long, high-quality Wikipedia article but not of himself a figure of global or multi-regional significance. -- Euryalus (talk) 04:36, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose US centric, of little importance in other countries Nick-D (talk) 09:56, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. We would not post the retirement of a judge in any other country, so why treat this one differently? He's not even the chief justice. As others have mentioned, iff this leads to major shifts in US policy we can consider those when they happen, not the political machinations leading up to them. Modest Genius talk 10:12, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The chief justice is first among equals, he has almost no extra powers, gets to read the oath to the President at Inaugurations, assigns who gets to write the majority or dissent of the side he votes on, sits in the middle, gets paid 4.5% more. His vote is worth exactly the same as the others. It's the swing justice that's the most important judge in this country bigger than 1 or 2 of the continents. Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 14:40, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Euryalus mostly; there's a strong chance that Roberts will drift into the tie-breaker role, so to suggest that Roe was overturned today is CBALL. -- Separately, 4 of 5 stories currently posted are local. Most stories will not be international which is why we have that rule at the top that has become cliche to keep citing but IT'S RIGHT THERE! @TRM, you are consistently one of the most valuable contributors to this board, tagging/commenting meaningfully to push items towards posting. This aside from your monumental contributions to the project in general. But you have a giant blind-spot on American stories. The fact that you've commented on the nom 20-odd times shows you have a passion in opposition that far outsizes the material importance of its nomination. ITN will not fall apart if we post, nor will it if we reject. ghost 11:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    If you wish to address me, I will allow you to post to my talkpage. Don't waste others time here with your personal opinions on me. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment this is already out of international news. As predicted. The real news may be interesting once a new judge is selected. But even then, it's local politics. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:21, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – An old adage in journalism: "All news is local." Sca (talk) 14:31, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I initially thought to oppose this but as Coffeeandcrumbs points out, this is not a US-centric news story but has received prominent coverage all around the world. When was the last time that happened for a supreme court justice of another country? Regards SoWhy 14:42, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Clearly no consensus is going to arise from this. An uninvolved admin should probably take a look at this and close accordingly.--WaltCip (talk) 16:32, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Joe Jackson

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Article: Joe Jackson (manager) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MSN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Patriarch of the Jackson family. Some referencing work needed but looks in fairly good shape. Pawnkingthree (talk) 16:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man: I sourced the kids; there's a couple of cite tags I'm trying to clear up.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:30, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Duh. Even his DAB-specifier is useless. -DePiep (talk) 02:18, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It helps us distinguish him from other people with a fairly common name, so it's more useful than your comments in this thread. – Muboshgu (talk) 12:48, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. If DePiep believes this individual to be non-notable then they should take the article to WP:AFD. If not, then there's no complaint. The Rambling Man (talk) 13:04, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
They shouldn't take it to AFD; WP:SKCRIT#6 applies, and it would probably be a SNOW close to keep if it didn't. power~enwiki (π, ν) 02:59, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

June 26

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(Closed) SCOTUS overturns Korematsu ruling

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No consensus to post. Stephen 02:05, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Korematsu v. United States (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ SCOTUS overturns Korematsu ruling (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In it's ruling on Trump v. Hawaii, the US Supreme Court effectively overturns the controversial 1944 decision of Korematsu v. United States which had justified the use of internment camps during World War II.
Alternative blurb II: ​ The US Supreme Court upholds the Trump Administration's Travel Ban and reverses an earlier decision permitting the internment of Japanese Americans during World War II.
News source(s): USA Today, Politico
Credits:

Article updated
 Count Iblis (talk) 20:30, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose minor ruling in a case that has largely been cold and forgotten issue; this will certainly have no long-term impact Python Dan (talk) 21:03, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. A meaningful, and appropriate, step symbolically, but not close to the level of a blurb. If we were going to blurb anything from today's decision it would be the substantive decision upholding the no-travel directive, but I don't think that would gain enough support for a blurb either. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:19, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Add to the fact that it only say "Trump has that power", but sent the case back to lower courts for other matters of review. (eg the impact of Masterpiece still lingers). I definitely agree that the ruling today on the travel ban isn't sufficiently over yet for ITN. --Masem (t) 21:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Technically, this was not an official overturning, but there is no way any court in the future will be able to use Korematsu again in light of this case. (Korematsu is the case that the Court found that President Roosevelt had the right to issue an exective order to place Japanese Americans into interment camps; the decision has long been a black eye on SCOTUS, and they basically ended up saying it is no longer valid in the US). It is an important legal issue, the equivalent of a major scientific breakthrough but in law, but really not strong enough for the ITN. I've posted a altblurb in case. --Masem (t) 21:50, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Actually the majority opinion does explicitly reverse Korematsu. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:52, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, there is no language in the official syllabus of the decision that says its overturned. (contrast; The decision of SD v Wayfair specifically holds that two prior cases are overruled). It is the case that they they strongly repudiated Korematsu, it can never be used again in a rationale court to justify a legal argument, but it not officially overturned/overruled. --Masem (t) 01:51, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Masem: Just FYI, the syllabus is not authoritative in construing a Supreme Court opinion (see the notation at the top of any published opinion). Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What it says is: Korematsu was gravely wrong the day it was decided, has been overruled in the court of history, and—to be clear—“has no place in law under the Constitution. I'm not sure what "overruled in the court of history" means. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 22:58, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) Weak Oppose Both legally and symbolically this is important. But it is ultimately a formality. That case has long been regarded as a de-facto dead letter. -Ad Orientem (talk) 21:51, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment without reading the article, I'll tell you the story here is upholding Trumps travel ban and the authority of the POTUS to deny entry to aliens by decree, without due process. The internment camp bit is an irrelevant bit of side trivia. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:55, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's what I was thinking too. I thought somebody might nominate SCOTUS upholding the travel ban, did not expect to see Korematsu in the blurb. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:14, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • That is nothing new. That has been case law for years. There is no inherent right for a traveler to enter the country and the courts have repeatedly ruled that the US can use means to prevent that that normally would be unconstitutional. Sir Joseph (talk) 13:02, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have added a 2nd alt blurb that I might be able to give a weak support to. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:09, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I do not think this ruling is significant enough to be on the frontpage, I might be wrong since I am no expert on American law/politics. If someone can convince me that it is indeed significant then I will ofcourse offer my support. Dragnadh (talk) 00:44, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Revise and resubmit—The Supreme Court decision is notable, but the Korematsu precedent isn't the notable part.--Carwil (talk) 04:34, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agree. The Korematsu aspect should be left out of the blurb as it's too confusing for a quick take on the part of the reader. Those who are motivated can read about it in the article. Sca (talk) 14:22, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's kind of the point isn't it? "If Congress passed a "travel ban" bill" it would have been voted on by the house and senate, then signed into law by the president. This is rule by fiat. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Witamy w Ameryce! – Sca (talk) 14:40, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose due to lack of significance. This is just another twist in a long-running story which we posted already (the original travel ban). The blurb & nomination are also completely opaque to non-experts - I had to read the article to get any idea of what was going on, and even then it wasn't exactly accessible. Modest Genius talk 10:50, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Like the driving ban we posted last fall? --LaserLegs (talk) 12:42, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
was that in March or April or May? Chrisclear (talk) 13:04, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Trump administration family separation policy

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No consensus to post. Stephen 09:43, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Trump administration family separation policy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A Federal judge orders the US government to end the Trump administration family separation policy and reunite families with 30 days. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Seventeen US states and the District of Columbia file suit challenging the Trump administration family separation policy as unconstitutional
News source(s): [58] [59]
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: While rejected as an ongoing item, this matter is dominating news headlines in the United States, has international repercussions, and has far more political ([60]) and constitutional (see the judicial ruling) importance than your typical Trump-media controversy. Carwil (talk) 05:22, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Dutch partial ban on face coverings

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No consensus to post. Stephen 04:17, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Niqāb (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Dutch Senate enacts a partial ban on face coverings like the niqāb (pictured) (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The Netherlands joins other western nations such as France, Belgium, and Denmark in enacting a partial ban on face coverings like the niqāb (pictured)
News source(s): De Telegraaf, The New York Times, The Washington Post
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: According to The New York Times, "The law, approved on Tuesday, puts the Netherlands, a country of about 17 million people, in company with France, Belgium, Denmark and other countries in Europe and North America that penalize Muslim women who either partly or fully cover their faces in public." ---Coffeeandcrumbs 13:48, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There is an interesting juxtaposition with the lift on the ban on women driving in Saudi Arabia which coincidentally would be the item just below this one.---Coffeeandcrumbs 22:27, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good point. Perhaps altblurb will work better and demonstrate a growing pattern in European nations doing the same. It is basically exactly what The New York Times says.---Coffeeandcrumbs 22:04, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
According to The Washington Post, "The Netherlands was the first European country to propose a burqa ban, which it did in 2005." It took 13 years to approve.---Coffeeandcrumbs 22:42, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose TRM has persuaded me, considering that other nations, some of which are bigger and more significant, have implemented similar bans or restrictions which have not been posted here, it would be hypocritical to post this to ITN. Python Dan (talk) 21:24, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The French ban on face covering was a news item on 15 September 2010 and 13 April 2011 (see top of Talk:French ban on face covering). ---Coffeeandcrumbs 22:13, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose if taking into account of statistical evidence provided by Coffee and the Netherlands article, only about 800,000 people will technically be affected by taking into account of the Muslim population vs the entire population of the Netherlands. Now while that does appear to be a lot of people at first glance, keep in mind that there are over 7 billion people on this planet. And that number only correlated with roughly .01% of the world’s population. In other words this will not affect a significant portion of neither The Netherland’s nor the World’s population. Kirliator (talk) 21:34, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • More information please Does the Netherlands ban the use of motor cycle helmets in most public places, also for security reasons? HiLo48 (talk) 04:15, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The law also bans wearing helmets and ski-masks in public.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 04:46, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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June 25

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Arts and culture;
Business and economy
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Law and crime
  • The Ethiopia Federal Police Commission announces the arrests of 30 people suspected of involvement in a bombing of a rally for Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed. The attack killed two and injured 156. The United States announces the deployment of FBI specialists to assist the probe. (Reuters)
  • Mexican authorities arrest the entire police force of Ocampo, Michoacán, on suspicion of murdering a mayoral candidate. (BBC)
  • Zimbabwean authorities report two people have died following Saturday's bomb attack on President Emmerson Mnangagwa in Bulawayo, with several others in critical condition. (BBC)
  • A judge in Nauru declares the Civil Procedures Amendment 2018 unconstitutional and strikes it down. The act restricted the ability of those facing prosecution to obtain legal representation. The court orders Nauru's government to pay Australian lawyers acting for those who brought the legal challenge. (Radio NZ)
  • A ban on single-use plastics including cups, bags, and bottles in Mumbai, India, comes into effect. Mumbai is the nation's largest city with such a law, and those in violation face fines and up to three months in prison. (The Guardian)
  • A U.S. judge dismisses legal action brought by two Californian cities against oil companies, regarding their contributions towards climate change. (The Hill)
  • German officials announce the arrest of a former aide to Osama bin Laden and plan to deport him to his native Tunisia. (Yahoo!)
Politics and elections

(Closed) RD: David Goldblatt

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Stale. Stephen 04:32, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: David Goldblatt (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Acclaimed South African photographer. Visually documented the apartheid era, and other significant subjects. CoatCheck (talk) 14:22, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Richard Harrison

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Article: Richard Benjamin Harrison (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily Mail CNN
Article updated
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Nominator's comments: The "Old Man" from the original Pawn Stars. Article seems fine at first glance. Teemu08 (talk) 18:22, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

June 24

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RD: Donald Hall

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Article: Donald Hall (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian National Post
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: No obvious problems to me. ⇒ Lucie Person (talk|contribs) 23:07, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Saudi ban on women drivers officially lifted

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Article: Women's rights in Saudi Arabia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The ban on women drivers in Saudi Arabia is officially lifted. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ More than 120,000 women apply for driver's licenses following the lifting of the ban on women drivers in Saudi Arabia.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Saudi Arabia lifts ban on women driving, making it the last country to do so.
News source(s): CNN The Guardian
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Important: We did post King Salman's announcement of his plans to lift the ban (in September 2017), but there was still the matter of getting it processed through their agencies, etc. Today, the ban officially was lifted, and to stress how big this was, I provided the altblurb. This ban-lifting has been getting a lot of attention in the news, so the actual action seems reasonable for ITN. Masem (t) 21:50, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Saudi Arabia is the largest market for cars in the Middle east.[61] Richard-of-Earth (talk) 22:37, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
How many women live in Saudi Arabia? I think "120,000 out of ..." would sound better.Zigzig20s (talk) 22:23, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Turkey election 2018

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Article: Turkish presidential election, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Recep Tayyip Erdogan is reelected as President of Turkey. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Turkey, Recep Tayyip Erdogan is re-elected as president whilst the ruling AK Party loses its majority in the parliamentary election
News source(s): BBC, CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Erdogan looks to win. Discussion to focus on quality, we can add blurb as soon as confirmation is in. Sherenk1 (talk) 16:32, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wait For at least preliminary results of the parliamentary election, and then post with info about both the presidential and the parliamentary elections Openlydialectic (talk) 19:33, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
⇒ According to Reuters, İnce's Republican People's Party says Erdoğan could still fall short of the 50 percent needed to avoid a presidential runoff July 8. But this sounds like a pious hope. Sca (talk) 21:12, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Agree with others that say to wait till the offical final results are in, when this is the case then I will support posting it on the frontpage. Dragnadh (talk) 00:51, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Win confirmed. --Masem (t) 01:25, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Oppose – No. 1 story on many major news sites. Unfortunately, article's text fails to mention who won (except for a chart listing all candidates), and still reads like a pre-election story. Not suitable for Main Page promotion in its present form. Sca (talk) 13:10, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment' - I'd prefer a note on the fact that he's the first combined head of government and head of state. Also, mentioning that he lost majority in the parliament should be considered.
alt blurb: Recep Tayyip Erdogan won Presidential elections of Turkey to become first executive president, despite losing majority in the national assembly.
--Joseph (talk) 17:38, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Wins. – Sca (talk) 19:58, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of unsourced material is disguised by adding a source for the last few sentences in the paragraph.--- Coffeeandcrumbs 23:27, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

June 23

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June 23, 2018 (2018-06-23) (Saturday)
Armed conflicts and attacks
Crime and law
  • Terrorism in France
    • French police arrest ten members of the far-right group Action des Forces Operationnelles (Operational Forces Action) across the nation, questioning them on suspicion of plotting a terrorist attack against Muslims. (The Local)
Disasters and accidents
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2018 Bulawayo bombing

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Article: 2018 Bulawayo bombing (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In an assassination attempt on Zimbabwean president Emmerson Mnangagwa, a stadium in Bulawayo is bombed, killing 2 people and injuring 47. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: A bit late for this, but the oldest new item was June 17. Major act of political violence; very rare in the southern part of Africa. Article is well-updated. EternalNomad (talk) 23:37, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Fazlullah

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Article: Fazlullah (militant leader) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [62]
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Confirmed on this day. Earlier nom was rejected due to lack of confirmation, so this should not be considered stale. ghost 15:54, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Arrest of anti-muslim terrorism suspects in France

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Article: Islamophobic incidents (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ French police arrest 10 people allegedly involved in an anti-muslim terrorist plot (Post)
News source(s): Le Parisien, The Telegraph, The Independent
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: According to The Independent, "Ten people were arrested over the weekend across France, including in the region of Paris and the island of Corsica. Their potential targets included radical imams, Islamist prison inmates who had been released or veiled women chosen at random, French daily newspaper Le Parisien reported. Several firearms were discovered during the raids and some of the suspects had made grenades and explosives, the paper said." (link included in source as well) ---Coffeeandcrumbs 01:56, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose We generally do not post non-events, in that the event was foiled. Maybe if it was a more major international terrorism -related plot that was foiled, that might be worth it, but I don't see it hjere. --Masem (t) 02:09, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The event is the arrest. We never hear about the plots that were stopped why? Because death and gore sell.---Coffeeandcrumbs 02:26, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

June 22

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Sports

RD: Vinnie Paul

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Article: Vinnie Paul (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Co-founder and drummer of the metal band Pantera. Referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 13:57, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Dick Leitsch

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Article: Dick Leitsch (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYT, WaPo
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: American gay rights activist dies at 83. Sourcing issues. Davey2116 (talk) 05:46, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

June 21

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June 21, 2018 (2018-06-21) (Thursday)
International relations
Law and crime
Politics and elections

(Posted) RD: Yan Jizhou

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Article: Yan Jizhou (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Paper, China Writers Association
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Chinese director, recipient of Lifetime Achievement Award. Zanhe (talk) 06:18, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@The Rambling Man and GreatCaesarsGhost: A new user added the bare ref after my nomination. I've replaced it with a full ref from a reliable newspaper article. Although four refs are in Chinese, the article does include two academically published books in English discussing his wartime career and some of his major films. Check them out. -Zanhe (talk) 20:07, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support The English stuff looks good. No reason for concern. ghost 20:26, 24 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: John Mack

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Article: John Mack (civic leader) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Lloyd, Jonathan (June 22, 2018). "Los Angeles Civic Leader, 'Civil Rights Warrior' John Mack Dies at 81". NBC Los Angeles. Retrieved June 22, 2018.; Zahniser, David; Kohli, Sonali (June 22, 2018). "Civic leader John Mack, a prominent voice on Los Angeles police reform, dies at 81". The Los Angeles Times. Retrieved June 22, 2018.; Fine, Howard (June 22, 2018). "Civic Leader and South LA Booster John Mack, 81". Los Angeles Business Journal. Retrieved June 22, 2018.
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Civil Rights leader in Flint, Michigan and Los Angeles, California. Zigzig20s (talk) 22:21, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jamsheed Marker

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Article: Jamsheed Marker (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Gulf News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pakistani diplomat Sherenk1 (talk) 02:09, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Charles Krauthammer

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Nomination is stale. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:59, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Charles Krauthammer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times and etc.
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: An iconic news columnist and Pulitzer Prize winner. Article is not in bad shape but referencing has some gaps. Ad Orientem (talk) 23:20, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Iconic? Sca (talk) 01:42, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb: According to RS, yes, one could say iconic. From the article:"Financial Times named Krauthammer the most influential commentator in America" and "The New York Times columnist David Brooks said Krauthammer was "the most important conservative columnist." I'm sure more laudatory assessments will be published as the sheer magnitude of his loss is put into perspective. – Lionel(talk) 03:43, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
In the last decade or so, iconic has become the most over-used and misused term in the English language. Suddenly, everything and everyone thought to be in some way notable is "iconic." (For example, where I live we have an "iconic" tuber.) Sca (talk) 13:28, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Stale – Suggest close. Sca (talk) 20:21, 25 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) PM of NZ gives birth

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No consensus to post. --Tone 20:41, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Jacinda Ardern (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Jacinda Ardern, Prime Minister of New Zealand, gives birth, becoming the second world leader to do so while in office. (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian; Radio NZ; BBC; Irish Times; Express Tribune' DW
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Not sure how to word the blurb, but unusual event that is in the news worldwide. Benazir Bhutto had a baby while in office but other than her, Ardern is the only other world leader in this situation. MurielMary (talk) 08:43, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We posted a royal baby because that royal baby will eventually be head of state of the UK and other countries. Unless this baby will inherit the PM's office from their mom, this is apples and oranges.331dot (talk) 12:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The chief executive of the UK is the Prime Minister, the "head of state" in their case is a powerless figurehead. Apples and oranges right? --LaserLegs (talk) 13:13, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've made the point I want to make, which had nothing to do with the powers of the respective positions, and don't wish to debate it further. Thanks for your reply. 331dot (talk) 13:16, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You actually, demonstrably made a point regarding "the powers of the respective positions" when you suggested notability only if "this baby will inherit the PM's office from their mom". You drew a parallel between the completely meaningless head of state of the commonwealth (of which NZ is a member) and the actual chief executive of New Zealand who actually held down that full time job while pregnant. All I did was point out the inaccuracy of the connection you very clearly made. Thanks for participating! --LaserLegs (talk) 17:09, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. We wouldn't post if a male PM fathered a child. Women giving birth is perfectly normal; the only reason this isn't more common is that few rise to head of government whilst still of child-bearing age. Good for her, but this isn't of major encyclopaedic significance. Modest Genius talk 12:05, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – On lack of significance. Sca (talk) 13:12, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I fear that WP's and/or ITN's gender bias is showing clearly here. "Lack of significance" to whom? To women, both young women and older women, it's extremely significant to have a world leader giving birth as it is so rare and transforms how we see motherhood and working women. It means that we have a high profile example of a woman giving birth while in a position of power - when many women are expected to resign when they have a child e.g. in Japan and other Asian countries in particular. Also "woman giving birth is perfectly normal" yes but a woman in a position of world power is not all normal. You've already stated why - few women of childbearing age get to such a position. It's also perfectly normal for a top golfer to win a golfing tournament but we post sports achievements all the time without discussion. MurielMary (talk) 17:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The birth of this child has no practical impact on the millions of English-language readers worldwide, male and female, who review ITN each day. This fact has absolutely nothing to do with gender. Sca (talk) 19:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose News/historical trivia. Long term significance pretty much zero. [Many years to the happy couple and their daughter.] -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:05, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's not often we get a NZ-related article here but it's still not that important – if she was the first, maybe, but she wasn't. This is like the only news story here, and it's also quite high up worldwide, but it just doesn't have that much significance in a global point of view.  Nixinova  T  C  20:09, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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June 20

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Science and technology

(Posted) RD:Mushtaq Ahmad Yusufi

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Article: Mushtaq Ahmad Yusufi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [63]
Credits:

Article updated
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 122.8.25.233 (talk) 20:35, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted and Closed) Marijuana legalization in Canada

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Clear consensus to post, no problems with the articles. If you have a case for a pull, then re-open, if you find an issue with the article, take it to errors. --LaserLegs (talk) 13:42, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Cannabis in Canada (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Senate of Canada approves a bill that will legalize marijuana nationwide, making it the second country to do so. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Canada becomes the first G7 country to legalize marijuana nationwide.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Canada becomes the second country to legalize the recreational use of marijuana nationwide.
News source(s): BBC, AP
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Only the second country to do this on a national level after Uruguay in 2013, which we posted. The bill has passed, but it won't go into effect until October. --Bongwarrior (talk) 05:55, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's faded from news sites because it's a two-day-old story. There was ample coverage earlier. Sca (talk) 15:12, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The gay marriage noms were like "the tenth country in Europe." There's certainly a point where each successive domino is worth less than the prior, but not #2. Even controlling for bias, Canada doing something is a considerable step up in significance from Uruguay. @LL: not the brightest days for your adopted land either! ghost 12:12, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Except that in the case of gay marriage, individuals were being denied equal rights, in the case of marijuana individuals are being denied their habit forming depressant of choice. (re:adopted land, sometimes I wish it were just a bad dream) --LaserLegs (talk) 12:16, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Significant compared to Uruguay. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:15, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That reads like something dangerously close to "Canada is more important than Uruguay because they speak English/Are close to the USA/Are (mostly) caucasian/ etc...." I'm sure your reason is better than that. What is it really? HiLo48 (talk) 23:33, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I would make the same argument as Martinevans123 based on population (37M vs 3.5M), GDP (10th vs 74th), and monthly Wikipedia page views (439M vs 14M) Mkwia (talk) 11:00, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
HiLo48, apologies for any unintended Anglophone/US proximate bias. I did not make the exact comparisons that Mkwia has above, but that's exactly what I had in mind. (I assumed marijuana sales weren't a significant part of Uruguayan GDP). Martinevans123 (talk) 13:41, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • * Support – in principle for altburb. I had thought it had long been legal in the Netherlands, but apparently it's only getolereerd (tolerated) there. But article takes too long to tell the news, and needs work on verb tenses. – Sca (talk) 13:21, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Legality of cannabis by country doesn't seem updated, but it also suggests many more countries have legalized it.. or are we talking only recreational use (which then it is only Spain before?) Assuming that the "second country" is true, and to which degree is clarified, I support this, but believe that any further similar legalization in other countries will likely not be ITN. --Masem (t) 14:04, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agree (re further legalization & ITN). Sca (talk) 15:03, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Legality of cannabis by country looks accurately updated to me. Do you have a specific problem with it? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The map specifically was what I was looking at. I did see Canada was updated on the table, but I was trying to look at the map to see/validate the "second country" aspect. --Masem (t) 16:57, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well it seems that's not what the map is intending to show? There also seems to be a discrepancy with South Africa. But it's not liked in any of the suggested blurbs. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:37, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I guess my concern was - if we were talking the Nth country (N > 2 or 3 ) to legalize, that seems like a non-starter for ITN. The map was the first thing that caught my eye. But I fully agree that when you limit it to "2nd country to legalize recreational use", then we have ITN reasonability. (Same argument involved gay rights, we don't want to post the "Nth" country when N is not small). --Masem (t) 18:57, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. But it's a long way from Washington State to Vermont. Sca (talk) 20:48, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
True, but it grows like a weed in Vermont. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:36, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Of course. It is a weed. Sca (talk) 01:45, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
⇒ Alt2 would be okay, along with Alt1. But story's getting old! Sca (talk) 13:34, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agree a certain degree of urgency is needed on this for it to still be fresh when posted! Mkwia (talk) 14:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing worse than stale cannabis.--WaltCip (talk) 17:00, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You mean putrid pot? Sca (talk) 20:23, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It stinks, affects your memory, cognition, and motor skills when it's fresh too.--LaserLegs (talk) 20:34, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Why are we whispering? Nixinova (talk) 21:15, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We don't wanna get caught. Sca (talk) 01:23, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Because we've been drinking heavily to stay healthy... Much better than weed. 2600:1014:B12E:E2F6:2195:3EBB:5C8C:ED64 (talk)£ —Preceding undated comment added 22:06, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It's true, I take Jameson for anxiety and depression and I can't get my socialized medical system to pretend it's "medicine" and pay for my drug habit. --LaserLegs (talk) 23:02, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe they would accept a bill for Teacher's – after all, it's educational! Sca (talk) 01:27, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - as discussed on the nomination for Ardern having a baby while in office (first time in 30 years) anything "second" is less notable than the first. This argument was used to oppose the nomination of her event, so why can this event (also a "second") be posted? I oppose on the grounds that being the second country to do this is less notable than the first. Same logic has to apply here. MurielMary (talk) 02:00, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I commented on that. Not in an explicit Oppose vote. Didn't think that was needed. I thought logic applied here, rather than counting votes. Hmmmm again. HiLo48 (talk) 07:54, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To correct the above, three users (including myself) opposed this before posting, not one. Brandmeistertalk 12:53, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Post-posting support. Certainly highly notable in its own right, and will have a significant impact in the U.S., socially, economically and politically. Nsk92 (talk) 11:37, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Oh dear. I am frequently accused of being anti-American here because I draw attention to US-centrism, but that comment is a blatant example. This is a global encyclopaedia. (See my spelling.) Why is a hypothetical impact on the US of any significance at all? And how about responding to those who have said that being second makes this less important? HiLo48 (talk) 11:46, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing wrong with pointing out international impact of an event outside of the country where it occurred, which is the case here. Nsk92 (talk) 12:40, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome to one of my primary gripes about ITN, HiLo, that being the lack of logic and consistency caused by subjectivity and the lack of firm guidelines on significance. WaltCip (talk) 13:05, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Ongoing: Trump administration family separation policy

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No consensus to post. Stephen 02:39, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Trump administration family separation policy (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NPR
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: I know it's a bit late for this nom, but this is a giant story that is getting huge coverage, as there are substantial updates almost daily. The article is in really good shape. Davey2116 (talk) 16:56, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • We've found ourselves in a place where ITN, for over the past year, has been bombarded with Trump-related noms to the point where virtually all of them are rejected (rightly so) as just being media-generated Trump-hysteria. As a result of this, though, the few Trump-related stories which are actually notable tend to get caught up in the wave of rejections. This is not one of them. The media hysteria and outrage behind this story is absolutely ridiculous in its magnitude. Oppose.--WaltCip (talk) 17:21, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Ironic that this has been nominated for Ongoing just as Trump has said he'll sign an executive order to end the policy (although of course it hasn't actually happened yet). I agree the article is in good shape and has generated huge coverage, but am neutral on whether Ongoing is appropriate here.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 17:29, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That executive order is illegal on its face. Unless the courts flip in the next 24 to 48 hours, I doubt anything substantive is going to come of this.--WaltCip (talk) 17:54, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait to see what happens with this order Trump is supposedly going to sign. I'll believe it when the ink is dry on his signature. If he does sign one and that wraps it up, ongoing is probably not appropriate. It may (emphasis on may) merit a blurb, as this is turning into a big deal. The UN Human Rights Council(the one the US pulled out of) has commented on this matter, and by the matter's own nature it involves more than just the US. 331dot (talk) 17:38, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for ongoing, but not necessary opposed to a single blurb depending on what happens. This is media hype at its finest, with the addition of "won't something think of the children?" thrown in that we try to have to look past for ITN. (Note: I absolutely do not agree with these policies, but I'm speaking to this neutral on the matter for importance for ITN posting). --Masem (t) 17:42, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing but respect for you, but "Won't anyone think of the children?" refers to misplaced hysteria, a la Tipper Gore. Here we have legitimate lack of concern for child welfare. Still, I oppose this on bias grounds. It's noteworthy to Americans because it's happening here. We know full well that children elsewhere have it worse, but it offends our sensibilities to think ourselves complicit. ghost 18:22, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Seems pretty noteworthy to the people fleeing Mexico and Central America, too. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:39, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There's very legit concern of children being separated from parents which is why the overall immigration approach is coming under attack, but the media is focusing to appeal to the heartstrings of split families rather than the big picture. It's part of the general trend that the media uses unbashedly to sway its readership. My caution is only to be aware of this media angle in judging significance. --Masem (t) 18:41, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The media does oversensationalize, but the issue of toxic stress is very much part of the "big picture" here. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:47, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose a government has a policy that a load of people don't like? I'm not sure how that's even really newsworthy once you cut through the hype, the hysteria, the faked audio tracks etc. While it's horrific, I imagine even the caged children have access to food, water, shelter etc... which is more than can be said for millions and millions of children elsewhere in the world. Needs the application of perspective. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:45, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • "faked audio tracks" [citation needed]. The perspective I think is that Syrian refugees aren't being forcibly separated from their parents in Germany or Spain or wherever and deported back to separate places in their country of origin. Plus it's "in the news". --LaserLegs (talk) 22:17, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Plus, TRM's clearly limited imagination shouldn't be a factor in considering what's important, what's inconsequential, or what's even real. After all, to use his own tactics, "Millions of children living in destitute regions have to go without basic provisions" itself it less newsworthy than a first world nation kenneling five-year-olds as a matter of national policy. 165.225.0.76 (talk) 20:40, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose I've gone back and forth on this. It's a big deal, and could be a big enough deal for us to post (it is dominating the news, after all) but I'm getting the sense a blurb would be better and could still be a WP:RGW thing anyway. – Muboshgu (talk) 18:49, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WaltCip. Lepricavark (talk) 18:54, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – This user views the policy as despicable and a contravention of human rights, but for ITN the topic is too porous, changeable, multifaceted, etc. to list, even in ongoing. Sca (talk) 21:36, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There's a point at which government fuckwittery crosses the line into being genuinely evil, but if that was the case we'd have had an Ongoing for the UK Governement's treatment of the disabled for the last eight years, not to mention a dozen random dictatorships around the world. Black Kite (talk) 21:44, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Per all of the above. We've been dealing with this in Australia for many years now. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 21:57, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I mean, of course this was going to be "Oppose - domestic issue, not like EU regulations that are posted at all", but the this was making headlines around the world. Nom it for a blurb and I'll support. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:15, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not for ongoing, but as an event. It is global news. We have images of crying kids and kids in cages on Australian TV. It's what trump campaigned on, and now it has come to pass. HiLo48 (talk) 22:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Australian TV is not immune from suffering the contagious hysteria of American media. WaltCip (talk) 22:36, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It may well be that the Australian media is the cause of it. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 00:07, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What? HiLo48 (talk) 00:10, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Everything is media hysteria: golf tournaments, fires in night clubs, military interventions, soccer tournaments, two despotic leaders meeting for a photo-op, no matter what, everything is a self-generated bother. This section is "In the news" ... you'll have to come to terms with that. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:51, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I get the impression that a lot of posts here are really saying "Sure, it's it the news, but it shouldn't be, and it's not fair, and it's fake news, and...." This isn't a mature discussion. Oh, and Australian news is nowhere near as frantic as the American media. (Well, we did invent Rupert Murdoch, but on average....) HiLo48 (talk) 00:12, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support for some kind of blurb. I am loathe to encourage the ongoing hysteria that surrounds the one man circus that is Donald Trump, but this really is big news. This particular firestorm has been front page news globally for a while and with his just announced climb down I think we may be at the right moment to put it up on ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 23:27, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per WaltClip. This seems to fall under the regional politics category as well, and poor timing given recent development with the executive order. Gluons12 ☢|☕ 00:01, 21 June 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Regional politics maybe, but with extensive global news coverage. See the name of this article. HiLo48 (talk) 00:12, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Just saw, again in headline news in Australia, that Trump has backed down on this. So, it's still major world news. That's what logically goes in ITN. Maybe we need a new item, but I'm not sure what to call it. Maybe "Trump yet again attracts negative attention to the US from all over the world"? OK, that probably won't fly, but it's hard to think of anything positive to write. "Trump finally sees the light"? I guess not. Suggestions? HiLo48 (talk) 01:40, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we should just throw "Donald Trump" up there on the ongoing ticker and be done with it. Nary a day has gone by when this orange buffoon hasn't been in the news. WaltCip (talk) 02:01, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What's ongoing is the fact that Trump policies put images of kids in cages, and kids crying, all over the world. People don't forget that sort of stuff. But your point has some validity. This should be a one-off item. HiLo48 (talk) 05:13, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Even if people decide the ship has sailed for ongoing event (I don't think it has yet) a blurb on the executive order would definitely be appropriate. Avg W (talk) 19:55, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Even today, it is not sure that the issue will be removed. Still waiting for actual development facts. wrt WaltCip (#1): all of them [Trump ITN candidates] are rejected (rightly so) as just being media-generated Trump-hysteria ... [this one is too]. How did you conclude this one is "media-generated", and "hysteria"? Isn't it factually happening, affecting actual people etc. etc.? And, isn't the very title In the news exactly that: media-generated issues? Wikipedia missed this one. -DePiep (talk) 12:03, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As an avid reader of news media, I know it when I see it. When editorialists and professional journalists start throwing up comparisons to the Nazis and Auschwitz, absent any actual crimes against humanity, there is hysteria. Even so, as pointed out, the locus of the media attention has been on the sights and sounds of "crying children in cages", which while certainly outrage-inducing, misses the big picture for undocumented immigration that has been going on for nearly decades now, merely focusing instead on what is most likely to catch reader attention. In any case, with the executive order signed and apparently in-force, the underlying story is stale, and it's time to move on.--WaltCip (talk) 12:08, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
"start throwing up comparisions" -- what if such a comparision is to the point? Your political opinion re a news story is not relevant. You have yet to prove that the newsfacts in this were created by journalists. Also, that the effect of a news story is emotional outbursts (I have not seen any 'hysteria' btw), is not disqualifying the topic. All in all it occurs to me that you let your care for picturing Trump blind you for the relevance. of a story. - DePiep (talk) 12:54, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Completely ridiculous reasoning. "Absent any actual crimes against humanity" is your inserted interpretation of what is going on, and the Trump administration's treatment of immigrant families is a distinct departure from previous administrations. There is no reason why historical comparisons can be made in the media and that is definitely not a component of ITN criteria. The executive order is not the end of the story, as what will happen to the separated families hasn't been determined yet and the Zero Tolerance policy is still in place. The issue is continuing to receive coverage and the responses from Congress or the courts system are ongoing. Avg W (talk) 19:52, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Still up in the air with much political hand-wringing on display. Developing. Sca (talk) 13:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - This is in the news and a highly relevent issue. I was left wondering why I am able to follow a link to golfing results from the front page but nothing related to this. Calling it 'hysteria' is unsubstantiated and rejecting it on the basis of only being related to America is wrong (its an issue pertaining to an international border, it's an international issue). Even if it were only relevant in America, that isn't a legitimate reason to reject it as per the ITN criteria. Avg W (talk) 19:00, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Ongoing coverage in Latin America. --Jamez42 (talk) 22:20, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: too fluid to post. One day Trump's hands are tied nothing he can do. Today he signs an executive order. Tomorrow Congress passes something.– Lionel(talk) 03:48, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose--lacks encyclopedic context and too soon. We need more (encyclopedic) context to avoid being a newspaper. Central American migrant caravan, which is not even wikilinked to this article, needs a lot of work. I suggest we also use this RS from the Council on Foreign Relations. It is not just a US-centric problem; it is a Western Hemisphere problem. They are fleeing violence in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras, and safe zones could be built in Mexico for example. The article needs to reflect the wider context. I don't see anything about Mexican policy/leadership on this issue. Ergo, it is too early to post this.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:02, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is an article about the Trump administration's policy of separating children from their parents. The Central American migrant caravan and Mexico's domestic policies are not relevant. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:12, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Of course it is. We need to contextualize it, otherwise we are a newspaper, not an encyclopedia. Anyway, the president has suspended it, so the headlines have already changed. Encyclopediae are about trendlines.Zigzig20s (talk) 19:27, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
This article does not have to cover everything involved in the migration of people from Central America to the U.S. The headlines have indeed changed, to detail how the reunifications can happen, how many of them appear to be "lost", how the administration now wants to detain children with parents indefinitely even though the Flores agreement limits detaining children for 20 days. There's plenty to cover, and ongoing is a good way to do it. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:37, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Articles 11 and 13

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Consensus against posting this at this point. A new nomination can be opened when the results are in. TompaDompa (talk) 15:25, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The delegates of the European Union are voting June 20 to 21 regarding whether or not to accept articles 11 and 13. (Post)
News source(s): Wired, BoingBoing, The Register, Sky News, BBC News
Credits:
Nominator's comments: I have read that these new laws threaten to illegalise the fair use of news links, quotations, images, and news clips all across Europe for everybody who are unable to pay the financial fees. As such, this seems to be a threat, not just for everybody who want to have fun on the Internet, but for freedom of speech and Wikipedia itself, given the vast number of reference links and that it is funded by donations. --> David A (talk) 06:20, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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June 19

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(Stale) RD: Big Van Vader

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Stale.--WaltCip (talk) 11:24, 26 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Big Van Vader (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American professional wrestler and professional football player. Died the 18th. Been a lot of updates to the article. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 05:23, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Koko (gorilla)

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Article: Koko (gorilla) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NPR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Maybe the world's most famous gorilla. Article looks to be in good shape. shoy (reactions) 12:50, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Working on it. Should be better now. shoy (reactions) 13:16, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

June 18

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(Posted) RD: Barry McDaniel

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Article: Barry McDaniel (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): operawire.com and many more official, but in German
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: A US baritone who worked 37 years at the Deutsche Oper Berlin, also Metropolitan Opera and international festivals. The article was detailed but practically without references, - I did what I could. His death wasn't reported until yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:47, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) KM Sinar Bangun

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Article: Sinking of MV Sinar Bangun (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 192 people are feared dead as an overloaded tourist ferry capsizes in Lake Toba, Indonesia (Post)
News source(s): BBC, CNN
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Article currently a stub, but should be expanded within the next few hours. Apparently there's an article on the sinking which is probably better written anyway Juxlos (talk) 09:44, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jimmy Wopo

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Article: Jimmy Wopo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Second rapper that was murdered on the same day... EternalNomad (talk) 02:46, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Osaka earthquake

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No consensus to post a relatively minor quake. Stephen 03:22, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2018 Osaka earthquake (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least four people are killed and over 350 are injuried in an earthquake near Osaka, Japan. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article is of sufficient quality for posting. The only issue is the low-ish death count, though I think the 350+ injured is a significant factor. It was only a 5.5 but still threatening. Masem (t) 02:15, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted to RD and closed) RD: XXXTentacion

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Posted as RD, no consensus for blurb. Stephen 03:23, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: XXXTentacion (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pitchfork (BBC)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Might as well get the ball rolling on this one. Doesn't look in awful shape, but I'm no expert Nohomersryan (talk) 22:11, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Wow. Article is good, but wow.  Nixinova  T  C  22:41, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - and ready for posting.BabbaQ (talk) 22:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - shocking news. Article is well referenced. -Zanhe (talk) 23:21, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, article looks good to go. Wasn't a fan in any way but rip. --AmaryllisGardener talk 00:29, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted surprised to see this was in good shape to start. I do personally not suggest it but as this was a murder, there is a possible blurb here, but I think the obscurity here will limit that. Discussion can continue if there's enough consensus towards that. --Masem (t) 02:19, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for a blurb Highly unusual. I am not familiar with this person's work but from what I can gather rappers this high profile haven't been shot since the 1990-s (correct me if I am wrong), so I support a standalone blurb based on that. Article seems to be in okay shape too. Openlydialectic (talk) 09:03, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb - Even without the Mandela-Thatcher standard that we so sporadically apply here on an irregular basis for blurbs, this particular death does not quite rise to the level of being a headline in its own right. --WaltCip (talk) 10:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • How a 20 year old who had the #1 album in the country 3 months ago can be murdered in broad daylight and it not be a bigger story is remarkable. This should be a blurb, but the lack of MSM interest makes that a hard sell. ghost 12:39, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb It’s sad and shocking that he lost his life, but this was apparently an ordinary crime that was unrelated he was notable for. Although he was undoubtedly a popular figure I don’t think he rises to David Bowie/Carrie Fisher level of notability, so a blurb isn’t really appropriate here. EternalNomad (talk) 15:16, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support blurb The transformative figure criterion has not (and will not) be advocated by anyone here. There is a completely separate criterion that the "unexpected death of prominent figures by murder" is a valid reason for a blurb. Further, "if the person's death itself is newsworthy for either the manner of death or the newsworthy reaction to it, it may merit a blurb." There should be no debate that the manner of death is newsworthy or that an artist with a very recent #1 record (still #24) is prominent. The only reason not to post is the word "may" gives us some leniency. ghost 16:15, 19 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Zhao Nanqi

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Article: Zhao Nanqi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Xinhua, The Paper
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Korean-born Chinese general. Zanhe (talk) 18:09, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Elizabeth Brackett

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Article: Elizabeth Brackett (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Chicago Tribune
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:26, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 U.S. Open

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Article: 2018 U.S. Open (golf) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In golf, Brooks Koepka wins the U.S. Open for the second consecutive year (Post)
News source(s): [1][2]
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 – Compy90 (talk) 11:10, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Colombian presidential election, 2018

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Article: Colombian presidential election, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Conservative political newcomer Ivan Duque has been elected president of Colombia. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Ivan Duque is elected as President of Colombia.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Yellow tags. Sherenk1 (talk) 02:08, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I forgot to remove the article's yellow tag after expanding it. The only current tag is "Expand Spanish". I hope there's further discussion before this becomes stale.--Jamez42 (talk) 04:37, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

June 17

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June 17, 2018 (2018-06-17) (Sunday)
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24 Hours of Le Mans

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Article: 2018 24 Hours of Le Mans (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In motorsport, the 24 Hours of Le Mans is won by Fernando Alonso, Sébastien Buemi & Kazuki Nakajima, driving a Toyota Gazoo Racing hybrid car (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: The article is generally OK but still needs a proper prose summary of the race. Unfortunately I won't have time to add one today, but am nominating in the hope that others can help out. Modest Genius talk 13:17, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Northern Macedonia

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Closing per WP:SNOW. The previous discussion suggested waiting until it was official. The nominator describes this as "things are finally moving", and no other editors support posting. power~enwiki (π, ν) 18:04, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Macedonia naming dispute (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: No blurb specified (Post)
Credits:
Nominator's comments: This has been nominated five days ago but today the agreement has been signed by the PM and there have been significant developments on both sides, such as Tsipras surviving the vote of confidence. The referendum will take place some time in future and full implementation on both sides is pending, but given the circumstances, I believe the time to post this is now. Tone 09:24, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose The signing of this agreement does not mean that the country must change its name, which may only happen after the agreement is ratified in both countries, a referendum held in Macedonia results in favour of the name change, and the Macedonian parliament votes on constitutional changes as stipulated in the agreement. That said, posting this now would be premature given the uncertain circumstances, and the earliest time to do it would be when the results from the announced referendum come in.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 11:06, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is why I did not propose a detailed blurb with the name change. What is currently a story is that things are finally moving toward some kind of agreement, after 27 years of disputes. It will take at least months before any formal change takes place, so we can post it then as well. --Tone 12:55, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't agree with you because it's not certain that a formal change of the name will take place. In case it fails to happen, this agreement would have zero importance. The agreement just sets out a proposal and paves the way for the people to decide, but it doesn't say that the country must change the name in near future.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 14:15, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Interesting and noteworthy story, but still several hurdles to go through once approved. Would be worth posting after the referendum when the change is certain to happen. BubbleEngineer (talk) 11:11, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait for the referendums. 331dot (talk) 11:48, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait If this was, say, signage of an agreement that ended 20-some years of bloodshed or other violent actions between the countries, I'd agree that the agreement that would put an end to that while waiting for a referendum for the name change would possibly be ITN. This has just been legal and political battles, and thus there's clearly no rush on this. When the name is changed (and that seems to be when our article's name will be changed, too), then we can feature that ITN. --Masem (t) 13:01, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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June 16

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June 16, 2018 (2018-06-16) (Saturday)
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Science and technology
  • A missing Indonesian woman's body is found inside a python, being one of only two fully documented cases of a human being consumed by a snake. (The Hindu)

Sports

(Posted) RD: Syd Nomis

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Article: Syd Nomis (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [64]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Needs a few more refs, but not too far away. ghost 00:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Caracas nightclub stampede

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Article: El Paraíso stampede (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Seventeen people die in Caracas, Venezuela, following a stampede after a tear gas canister is detonated in a crowded nightclub. (Post)
News source(s): Independent CNN Al Jazeera
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Nominator's comments: Significant coverage, both nationwide and abroad, and unusual circumstances. It also appears to be the first human stampede this year. I'd be open to know if an alternative blurb should mention the people wounded or that most of the persons involved were students or underage. Jamez42 (talk) 09:28, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not there at 16:00, though. Sca (talk) 16:01, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
No, you're right - I suspect it's been kicked out by the Mexico World Cup result and the minor (for the USA) shooting in New Jersey. Black Kite (talk) 17:31, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support I'm satisfied that this is getting non-local coverage ITN and the article is good enough all things considered. My only concern is the background graph has a lot of different claims and only the one Spanish citation at the end (no hablo Español). Would prefer more inline citations, but if someone here can vet the claims against the source, I'm in. ghost 16:22, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@GreatCaesarsGhost: Hi! I was meaning to take a look at the section, but it seems ZiaLater was one step ahead of me and expanded it (thanks!), so I added more references regarding the incidentes in 2018. Cheers! --Jamez42 (talk) 21:42, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, the minimum deaths for posting is zero. The standard is "has good enough article, covered sufficiently in news sources, consensus that both of those are met". There is no arbitrary number of anything.--Jayron32 03:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jayron is correct. We post on significance and quality of article, not how many deaths there were. Obviously an event resulting in a high number of deaths is more likely to be ITN, but there isn't - and indeed can't be - a hard and fast rule. Black Kite (talk) 08:34, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • And yet you still dignified it with your own pointy bollocks. Just admit that American deaths are only worth around 0.666 non-American deaths and stop pretending otherwise. Unless it's a shooting death, in which case the Americans who died deserved to be shot. It's your standard position everywhere else. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.225.0.109 (talk) 15:14, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think you forgot your smiley? We EngWP editors being known for strong Venezuelan contingent :) ghost 18:39, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Gennady Rozhdestvensky

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Closing, stale. Vanamonde (talk) 07:01, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Gennady Rozhdestvensky (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Russian conductor. Refereeing Referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 15:24, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) Glasgow School of Art fire

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Consensus will not develop to post. Stephen 23:49, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Glasgow School of Art (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Scotland, a fire destroys the Glasgow School of Art (Post)
News source(s): Glasgow Herald
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Second time building has been devastated by fire in four years. Damage appears to be significantly more extensive than 2014 fire. Category A listed building. yorkshiresky (talk) 07:49, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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June 15

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(Posted) RD: Enoch zu Guttenberg

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Article: Enoch zu Guttenberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): FAZ
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: German conductor. Article is fully referenced. Zanhe (talk) 22:42, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak oppose Article is very overlinked and quite hard to read. Well referenced, but all in German. Google auto-translates this page for me which is not a good thing on the English Wiki.  Nixinova  T  C  06:39, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I found exactly one doubled link and replaced it. It's normal to link awards in the Award section even if mentioned before. - For English, see external link Bach Cantatas, but it's not considered reliable by one user. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:55, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Morocco vs Iran own goal

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Good faith nom but the World Cup is already listed in "Ongoing." There is zero chance this will be posted as a blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 17:12, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2018 Fifa World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Morocco scores an own goal against Iran in the 94th minute. (Post)
Credits:
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(Closed) AT&T / Time Warner merger complete

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No consensus to post. 331dot (talk) 12:07, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Articles: AT&T (talk · history · tag) and Time Warner (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Following Judge Leon's ruling of its legality, AT&T acquires Time Warner for $85 billion. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ AT&T acquires Time Warner for $85 billion.
News source(s): Reuters
Credits:
Nominator's comments: Both articles are updated with this, but neither not in immediate shape for posting (not far off, its not a major sourcing issue). This is ink on the paper, deal is done, as of now Time Warner is a subsidary of AT&T; the Justice Dept. can still appeal but Judge Leon in his decision strongly warned the Dept it likely will be able to succeed in such. And $85B is not something to sneeze at. Masem (t) 05:24, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - As I've said before, the time to post this story is at its announcement when it's at the highest point of newsworthiness, not the completion of said deal. It's a bit late now. --WaltCip (talk) 09:59, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We really should have an RFC or something to adjudicate this. If a sizeable contingent oppose at announcement and another at closure, we'll never have consensus to post something that all agree meets significance. ghost 11:30, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
There was an informal discussion where consensus seemed to be when announced. This particular story has some special circumstances. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:40, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Two things on this: First, the announcement of the deal was put up as a candidate here but failed to gain consensus to post [65]. Second, the most recent issue, the merger facing judicial oversight, has been in the news over the last few weeks. It does seem that any of this tens-of-billions deals involving telecom/entertainment companies will continue to be challenged by the gov't (if/when Fox chooses Comcast or Disney as its owner, with both >$50b offers, that will start the next judicial challenge to watch for). I would readily agree that we should post large deals when the companies involved have committed to following the action, but also see no issue that if the completion of that action is challenged, to post the result of that too when it happens. --Masem (t) 13:52, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support There are solid arguments on both sides of the "when to post" discussion. The "it's too late" rationale would hold that the consummation of the deal would be a whimper compared to the announcement. In this case that is unequivocally untrue; my feeds are blowing up with this story (and meditations on its impact). ghost 14:47, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
If this deal is posted on ITN, then the emphasis has to be on the failure of the U.S. government to halt the merger, as that is where the true newsworthiness of the story seems to lie more so than the deal itself.--WaltCip (talk) 15:59, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's a bit POVish, but as I pointed out in my first blurb, I do think stating that they completed this following the ruling that cleared the merger should be mentioned, since the the gov't resistance to the merge is half the story. I just think its POV to say it was a failure of the gov't to stop it; they just didn't get the decision their way (Courts are not sporting areas, neutrally there are no "winners" or "losers") --Masem (t) 16:33, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You mean like LRM noshes with the PGIC? Sca (talk) 13:42, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
What judge? (That's just my smartarse way of saying that most of the world would not know of this judge and his ruling.) HiLo48 (talk) 03:12, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It would be easy enough for the smart-arse to find out if they clicked the blue-linked judge's name, yes?--WaltCip (talk) 17:55, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Matt "Guitar" Murphy

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Article: Matt Murphy (blues guitarist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Blues guitarist. I think it makes sense to leave "Guitar" in the name even if its not in the article title as nearly every article refers to him this way. Still a little tinkering left to do with the article but I think its close. Teemu08 (talk) 14:45, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

June 14

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(Posted) RD: Shujaat Bukhari

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Article: Shujaat Bukhari (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Kashmir journalist who was murdered. EternalNomad (talk) 02:52, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. This is another example of an article created only after the subject's death, and therefore I don't think the presumption of notability that we normally have under the RD rules necessarily applies here.--Pawnkingthree (talk) 12:21, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Ammarpad and Pawnkingtree: While the article was created after the subject's death, the subject had a decent claim to notability before his death, as an influential journalist: he's written for the BBC and The Hindu, an Indian national daily; and his opinions have been cited in other major newspapers [66], [67]. So he's not slam-dunk notable, but he wasn't nobody before the assassination either. Vanamonde (talk) 07:00, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Jordan's new Prime Minister

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Articles: Omar Razzaz (talk · history · tag) and 2018 Jordanian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Omar Razzaz becomes Prime Minister of Jordan, after his predecessor resigns following widespread protests against austerity measures. (Post)
Alternative blurb II: ​ Jordan's new cabinet includes seven women, the largest political representation of females in the nation's history
News source(s): Reuters, The National
Credits:

Nominator's comments: I prefer the first blurb Makeandtoss (talk) 09:41, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@GreatCaesarsGhost: They were the largest protests in years. [68]
@Ammarpad: He was designate then and was only sworn in yesterday. Consensus can be changed, @Juxlos: recommended having more prose, which is the case now. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:35, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@GreatCaesarsGhost: The last major protest in Jordan was 6 years ago in the Arab Spring. The recent protests received widespread coverage because of Jordan's context in the Arab World. I seriously do not understand how an American horse, which is now on Wikipedia's news, is more newsworthy than a country's unrest and change of government! If this is not a cultural bias, I don't know what is. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:05, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
a) I'm not the only editor here. The others are registering their opinion with their silence. b) The triple crown is an ITNR item. This means its significance is not debatable at ITNC. I wholeheartedly support the abolition on ITNR, as its assumptions of consensus are frequently fallacious, but my opinion is in the minority. c) debating the relative significance of sport and "real life" is a fools errand. 113 candidates for office in Mexico have been assassinated this election cycle,[69], but El Tri are up 1-0 on Germany! What's the bigger story? ghost 16:01, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@GreatCaesarsGhost: I don't see how the rest of Wikipedians should influence your personal opinion. I don't see either how you think comparing the significance of different news as a "fools errand", then ask me to do just that. Makeandtoss (talk) 17:03, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't asking you; I was sarcastically pointing out how a stupid game is a thousand times more significant then the systematic obliteration of representative government in the 11th largest country on Earth. Which makes the makes the goings on in your country look like a town hall. WP:BIAS doesn't mean we rubber stamp everything that happens outside the US. ghost 17:54, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@GreatCaesarsGhost: Somehow, it conveniently means we rubber stamp everything happening inside the US. Makeandtoss (talk) 23:02, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: The protests also a small change in the big scheme of things? Makeandtoss (talk) 23:02, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, the French have protests on a weekly basis that are larger than that. The Rambling Man (talk) 06:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@The Rambling Man: You're comparing a country of 67 million people to a country of 10 million... that's an unfair comparison. Do the French protests result in the reshuffling or resignation of Macron's government? This is a significant and unique event in the country's history. Flycatchr 13:42, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @Zanhe: please continue supporting this. Flycatchr 13:42, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Fazlullah (militant leader)

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Article: Fazlullah (militant leader) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan chief Fazlullah is killed in a US drone strike in Kunar, Afghanistan. (Post)
News source(s): [70] [71] [72] [73]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Pakistani Taliban leader, killed in US drone strike.  Nixinova  T  C  06:02, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Pakistan's most-wanted militant.. --Saqib (talk) 11:24, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I added a blurb because I think its blurb-worthy just like OBL was. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 43.245.130.68 (talk) 14:01, June 16, 2018 (UTC)
  • Comment article is good. But since he was once already claimed killed in 2015, what makes this any different? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:52, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well he's been reported dead and we shouldn't jump to conclusions -- Wikipedia just parrots the facts; we don't need to inject our thoughts otherwise. Since he's reported dead, he's dead.  Nixinova  T  C  07:52, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Not really. We didn't post the Ukrainian reporter (thankfully). I'm just curous as to why this time is different from last time? And no, Wikipedia doesn't just "parrot facts", it applies editorial judgement (in most cases) before publication. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:58, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • On a point of order; if he's reported dead by the AP, he's dead. If he's reported dead by the U.S. military, that may be insufficient. Not to get Pythonesque, but here the RS are reporting that he is reportedly dead. In doing so, they are injecting their own journalistic skepticism. We could post a blurb saying he's reportedly dead (assuming consensus on significance), but I'm a wait on the RD. ghost 11:12, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Where is his corpse? This Nigerian militant was reported dead multiple times by these reliable sources, if we had been posting that he would've like 5 RDs in the last few years. Also note; Aljazeera uses ('killed in drone attack',) in quote so as to express explicit doubt since they can't independently verify that. Times of India uses reportedly, another mild way of expressing doubt. But they made it clear "This isn't the first time it has been reported that a US drone strike has killed Fazlullah" so the possibility of another "official US drone killing" next year cannot be ruled out here. –Ammarpad (talk) 15:57, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • OpposeWhat Ammarpad says.∯WBGconverse 16:14, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Since this one is archived already, I don't know if it make sense or not but for the sake of record, Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan has now officially confirmed the death and announced the name of succeeding chief of the organization as per this news story. @Nixinova, The Rambling Man, GreatCaesarsGhost, and Ammarpad: --Saqib (talk) 15:50, 23 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

June 13

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(Posted) RD: Arkangel de la Muerte

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Article: Arkangel de la Muerte (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Medio Tiempo sports magazine
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Article well sourced.  MPJ-DK  00:09, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Georgian PM resigns

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Articles: Giorgi Kvirikashvili (talk · history · tag) and Prime Minister of Georgia (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Prime Minister of Georgia Giorgi Kvirikashvili resigns due to anti-government protests. (Post)
News source(s): RFERL, Georgia Today
Credits:

Both articles need updating

Nominator's comments: Going to sleep now, someone else may update the article. I can join tomorrow. Brandmeistertalk 21:16, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Antarctica is melting 3 times as fast today compared to 2012

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No consensus to post. Stephen 03:40, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Global warming in Antarctica (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Antarctica is melting 3 times as fast as it did in 2012 (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Nature (published report)
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: "Satellites monitoring the state of the White Continent indicate some 200 billion tonnes a year are now being lost to the ocean as a result of melting. This is pushing up global sea levels by 0.6mm annually - a three-fold increase since 2012 when the last such assessment was undertaken." Count Iblis (talk) 18:05, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The fossil fuels melt a cubic kilometer of Antarctica every 40 hours? Wow. 107.242.117.7 (talk) 23:04, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose' top science news today, but the target article is crap. A wall of proseline from a position statement last updated in 2002, no other meaningful info, and no update for the current news as far as I could see. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:45, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I have (scientific) faith that this article will be seeing some rapid and valuable updates as of now. If we are to pretend to have any genuine educational value remaining here, this is something which our readers should be directed towards. 165.225.0.96 (talk) 21:17, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as LaserLegs notes, the target article is not in its best shape, nor does it mention the update (yet). Also, while it is getting decent coverage from BBC and the Washington Post, the fact is this is something many people around the world have been obviously aware of for years, if not decades. This is more-or-less an update on something that will likely fade from media within the next day or two. Python Dan (talk) 21:23, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Then, if during that two day period, readers come here seeking relevant and updated information on the topic (and find it), we have done our job. It's a good reminder that there's more to the world than sports and politics. 165.225.0.96 (talk) 21:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Ongoing: 2018 World Cup

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Article: 2018 FIFA World Cup (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item nomination (Post)
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: "Ongoing" was developed in mind with the World Cup and Olympic events (short term and fixed endpoints). Technically the event does not start until tomorrow, but by the time this is !voted on and consensus, it likely will be tomorrow. Main article seems in good shape. Masem (t) 17:04, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • I believe we did post the World Cup four years ago, and while I still maintain that Ongoing is not appropriate for single-sport events in progress, this would be one exception in my opinion. 331dot (talk) 17:34, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • FWIW, reviewing the history, the 2014 WC was boldly added to ongoing as we appeared to have just finished the trial of "Ongoing". The bold action was not disputed (see [74] on June 12) in a !vote related to posting the start of the event. --Masem (t) 17:37, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because it's going to be both Ongoing and major international news for a month. Lepricavark (talk) 17:43, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support same as above Mkwia (talk) 17:47, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support we don't ongoing the NBA, or the NHL or literally any other single sport tournament, and the opening is not ITN/R no matter how much the OP may wish it was, there is about to be a wall of people showing up here screaming about how soccer is the most important thing in the world, so probably best to just speedy post and get the inevitable over with. When Lionel Messi breaks the record for most opening goals kicked in a second half on even numbered days in a world cup - or whatever other irrelevant piece of sports trivia that'll be passed off as "significant" while this thing runs -- you don't get a blurb. You get ongoing, you get a blurb when it's done, that's enough soccer. #twocents. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, yes, I know, soccer is the most important thing in the world and in all time past and present the Cretaceous–Paleogene extiction pales in comparison to this silly pageant. I supported it, you won. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:58, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nah, it's actually an extremely boring sport... in my opinion. But I'm not !voting based on my opinion of soccer/football. This is a clearcut case for ongoing and I really don't see your point. Lepricavark (talk) 19:09, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The articles are split by group and knockout stage, so there isn't one article to point to. 2018 FIFA World Cup is the index to all of that. Modest Genius talk 18:41, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I think the current linked article would have it. It has tables of the overall performance of each team during the first part of the cup. When we get to the knockout stage on June 30, we can change that link to 2018 FIFA World Cup knockout stage. --Masem (t) 18:44, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I've randomly checked and it appears that 2014 FIFA World Cup Group A was updated in time. If this is the case this shouldn't be a problem, but if people are looking for updates on the main article and they found nothing, then that's another matter. Howard the Duck (talk) 18:57, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It looks like 2018 FIFA World Cup Group A has zero updates as of yet. If this continues... meh, it won't be removed from ongoing, anyway... Howard the Duck (talk) 05:28, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The box table is updated (right now, only one game total has been played it looks like). I am pretty confident the FOOTY project is all over this. --Masem (t) 05:31, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear, when updates, I'm referring to the extensive prose updates an Ongoing link has to have at least everyday. We have rightfully rejected articles with league tables all over with no prose at all. Howard the Duck (talk) 06:17, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
⇒ NEWS FLASH: Russia 5, Saudi Arabia 0. — Sca (talk) 21:20, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Remove Turkish currency and debt crisis from ongoing

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Article: Turkish currency and debt crisis, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)

Nominator's comments: The updates for the last week or so are just normal economic reports that are continually published in any significant economy. It's not clear what standard we could use to remove this item, as the crisis will not have a clear end. Aside from that, is anyone seeing reporting on this without searching for it? ghost 11:44, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Battle of Hudaida (2018)

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Article: Battle of Hudaida (2018) (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Saudi-backed forces have begun an assault on the key port of Hudaydah after Houthi rebels ignored a final deadline to withdraw (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article needs updating

Nominator's comments: Article still needs to be updated. Notability due to "Aid agencies have warned of a humanitarian catastrophe if the city is attacked, with up to a quarter of a million casualties possible." Sherenk1 (talk) 04:32, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is an entirely new offensive with a distinct goal: to push out Houthis from the city. The past ones were sporadic and only meant to cause damage. --Expectant of Light (talk) 20:44, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Ammarpad, Stephen, and The Rambling Man: Battle of Hudaida (2018) have been created. --Panam2014 (talk) 02:42, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2026 FIFA World Cup

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Articles: 2026 FIFA World Cup (talk · history · tag) and Canada–Mexico–United States 2026 FIFA World Cup bid (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 2026 FIFA World Cup hosting rights awarded to joint bid from the United States, Mexico and Canada (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ FIFA award hosting rights for the 2026 World Cup to a joint bid from Canada, Mexico, and the United States
News source(s): The Guardian New York Times
Credits:

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June 12

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  • History of AT&T
  • Tesla announces that it intends to cut 3000 jobs in an attempt to improve profitability. Many of those workers will be offered alternative jobs under the same employer. (BBC)

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(Closed) Heracleum mantegazzianum in Virginia

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Article: Heracleum mantegazzianum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Virginia state officials discovered a population of Heracleum mantegazzianum (giant hogweed), an invasive plant that can cause severe burns. (Post)
News source(s): USA Today
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(Stale) RD: Bhaiyyu Maharaj

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Article: Bhaiyyu Maharaj (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Times of India
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article well sourced. Another tragic suicide. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:08, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • The grammar has been improved, but it's still not perfect, and there are other issues with the prose; mostly a complete lack of context for much of the material, making it difficult to follow even for someone who works on South Asian politics, as I do. My !vote remains. Vanamonde (talk) 07:25, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Northern Macedonia

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Consensus will not develop for this to be posted at this time; a re-nomination after the planned national vote on the topic would be appropriate. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:50, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Macedonia naming dispute (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Republic of Macedonia announces an agreement with Greece to rename itself "Northern Macedonia", ending the 27-year Macedonia naming dispute. (Post)
News source(s): AP
Credits:

Article updated
Nominator's comments: A bit of a daft story, but one that ends a surprisingly significant dispute in the Balkans, and will hopefully fix relations between the two countries. The article currently has a yellow clean up tag, because the timeline should probably split into another article. Smurrayinchester 18:06, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) 2018 North Korea–United States summit

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Article: 2018 North Korea–United States summit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ President Donald Trump and Chairman Kim Jong-Un meet in Singapore. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ President Donald Trump and Chairman Kim Jong-Un meet in Singapore, the first-ever meeting between a sitting U.S. President and a North Korean leader.
News source(s): CNN, CBS, BBC
Credits:

Article updated

Nominator's comments: Historic summit. Article has been in very good shape for days. Davey2116 (talk) 00:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - Trump is stating that a joint statement has been signed on de-nuclearization, and the U.S. is supposedly halting its military exercises. Whether or not we believe there's any veracity to this, this is a major development in the summit on top of the existence of the summit itself. I suggest we make this an ongoing item.--WaltCip (talk) 12:17, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not constructive. TompaDompa (talk) 14:23, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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On that, I think that once we know exactly what was signed/pledged/agreed to, we can update the blurb. Ongoing doesn't make sense for a rather short summit, barring a massive rush of new ITNC blurbs in the next 24 hrs. --Masem (t) 14:26, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

June 11

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(Posted) RD: Victoria Kalima

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Article: Victoria Kalima (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Diggers
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:11, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) RD: Neal E. Boyd

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Stale; all oppose.  Nixinova  T  C  06:31, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Neal E. Boyd (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: America's Got Talent winner. TompaDompa (talk) 20:33, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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June 10

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June 10, 2018 (2018-06-10) (Sunday)
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  • Terrorism in Iraq
    • A warehouse holding ballot boxes from elections last month burns down in Baghdad. Several politicians say the fire was a criminal act aimed at destabilising the state following a disputed election result. (BBC)
  • Authorities in Afghanistan announce the seizure of 156 sacks of ammonium nitrate being imported on a truck from Pakistan. This is one of the largest seizures of the compound, most commonly used as a fertilizer, but also used to manufacture explosives. (Reuters)

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(Closed) Tony Awards

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Stale.  Nixinova  T  C  06:30, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 72nd Tony Awards (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At the Tony Awards, Harry Potter and the Cursed Child wins Best Play, while The Band's Visit wins Best Musical. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Article quality not there yet, some sections incomplete. Masem (t) 13:32, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) 2018 French Open

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Stale; mostly oppose.  Nixinova  T  C  06:30, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2018 French Open (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In tennis, the 2018 French Open concludes with Rafael Nadal winning the Men's Singles and Simona Halep winning the Women's Singles. (Post)
News source(s): ESPN, New York Times
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: ITN/R, so will be posted when the article(s) are fully suitably updated. Andise1 (talk)
comment in the louvre as I write this, but I have a bunch of pics/vids from last night (before the rain), ive not uploaded to WP in quite a while...should I do so for possible inclusion on the 2018 page? Not sure in "fan pics" count for inclusion. The Emirates "drone" was above too (stadium right next to center court. Dunno if its court 1 as the Suzanne something was bigger).Lihaas (talk) 14:47, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • And neither are sourced. Indeed, none of the results are sourced at all, an inline source hasn't been added to the article since April. Even the existing prose is partly in the wrong tense. Black Kite (talk) 11:47, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose One massive pile of tables with practically no prose. Almost doesn't even count as an article. Black Kite (talk) 22:52, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Quality is poor. Prose explains things that appear complicated through tables. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:00, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose All tables -- no prose at all below the lead.  Nixinova  T  C  05:54, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Unless you like a long article with lots of tables and flags. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 14:02, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Actually some of us not only like such articles but actually think they're often the best kind of sports articles. but unfortunately we're clearly in a minority here.Tlhslobus (talk) 00:14, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Banedon, even tho supporting is presumably a waste of time, per WP:SNOW. But for what little it's worth, I often look at Wikipedia sports articles for their often highly informative tables, but I rarely if ever bother to read any of the prose, much of which I find is just a time-wasting inferior partial duplication of what's already better said in the tables. Meanwhile forcing editors to waste time producing such prose duplication actively prevents them from genuinely improving the article by spending time finding and adding stuff that is not already said in the tables (such as controversies sections, etc). Tlhslobus (talk) 00:09, 13 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) RD: Jackson Odell

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If the quality is significantly improved before this is stale it can be reopened, until that happens there is no point in any more opposes. Thryduulf (talk) 20:30, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Jackson Odell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Count Iblis (talk) 00:24, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
On 2nd thought I would not bother with AfD right now. Recenctism bias has been so strong of late that it's all but impossible to get anything mentioned in current news deleted. -Ad Orientem (talk) 13:18, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
...Or we could stop the pile-on and treat it like every other RD nom with quality issues: let it sit, giving editors a chance to bring it up to snuff. ghost 14:47, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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June 9

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June 9, 2018 (2018-06-09) (Saturday)
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  • Over 100,000 people participate in a large protest in Bucharest, Romania, against apparent judicial abuses and "illegitimate interference" of the secret services in the political and judicial systems. The protest was organised by the governing Social Democratic Party and supported by other political parties. (The Washington Post)

Sports

RD: Lorraine Gordon

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Article: Lorraine Gordon (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, NPR, JazzTimes
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: A prominent member of jazz community, and one of the most prominent non-musicians. The article is relatively brief, but it is a fair depiction of who she was, a direct no-nonsense person, and one who was not in the spotlight. (sidenote: this is my first nomination, I am not sure if I have listed the updaters properly above.) Bammesk (talk) 02:36, 12 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 44th G7 Summit

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Article: 44th G7 summit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The G7 summit takes place in La Malbaie, Quebec, Canada, with the United States refusing to endorse the joint statement. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: Was previously nominated by PineForst282929 and closed until the event ended. Well, it's ended, and something fairly serious happened. Smurrayinchester 07:56, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Struck out duplicate vote.--WaltCip (talk) 11:13, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As a matter of style, we generally don't put the year or edition number in ITN blurbs e.g. the current template just says 'Stanley Cup Finals' for the link to 2018 Stanley Cup Finals. The same is true of the Belmont Stakes, Slovenian election etc. Modest Genius talk 10:22, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Justify winning Triple Crown

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Articles: Justify (horse) (talk · history · tag) and 2018 Belmont Stakes (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In thoroughbred horse racing, Justify wins the Belmont Stakes, becoming the thirteenth United States Triple Crown winner. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In thoroughbred horse racing, Justify wins the United States Triple Crown.
News source(s): https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/09/sports/belmont-stakes-justify.html http://www.espn.com/horse-racing/story/_/id/23745896/justify-becomes-2nd-undefeated-horse-win-triple-crown
Credits:

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Nominator's comments: Triple Crown win, part of WP:ITNR. Feel free to improve blurb per previous similar entries (i.e. American Pharoah). — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 23:22, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Zhang Junzhao

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Article: Zhang Junzhao (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Paper, WHB
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Founding member of the Fifth Generation of Chinese cinema. Zanhe (talk) 19:13, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

June 8

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(Posted) RD: Eunice Gayson

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Article: Eunice Gayson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian, BBC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: First of the Bond girls. The article is fairly terrible, this is kind of a long shot. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 17:57, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Liu Yichang

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Article: Liu Yichang (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SCMP
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: acclaimed as the founder of modern literature in Hong Kong. Zanhe (talk) 06:12, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Danny Kirwan

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Article: Danny Kirwan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN, Rolling Stone
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Was guitarist for Fleetwood Mac near the beginning. Article isn't great but I've seen worse. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 00:14, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Maria Bueno

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Article: Maria Bueno (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: 1960s tennis "star" The Rambling Man (talk) 05:31, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Surprised I haven't heard of her, my mother was a big fan of Margaret Court, her rival from that era. Needs some referencing. Also personal life: where was she born, family details, what did she do between 1967 & 2006, was she married, children &c&c. Hopefully some of the obits will help flesh this out, though the ones I have seen are a bit sparse on personal material. Got to go out now, but will try to help later. Espresso Addict (talk) 14:42, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • (edit conflict) oppose, most of the article seems good but in the tables, only the grand slam finals appear to be referenced. A couple of the prose paragraphs don't have inline references, but it's possible that they're supported by following refs. Thryduulf (talk) 14:44, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Good article, section headings could use a cleanup though.  Nixinova  T  C  22:48, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nixinova.BabbaQ (talk) 12:23, 11 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2018 NBA Finals

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Article: 2018 NBA Finals (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In basketball, the Golden State Warriors defeat the Cleveland Cavaliers to win the NBA Finals. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In basketball, the Golden State Warriors defeat the Cleveland Cavaliers to win the NBA Finals (MVP Kevin Durant pictured).
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: As I post it we're still in the final two minutes, but almost all of the starters are on the bench voluntarily. Updates will be fast and furious and it'll be time to start reviewing the work. – Muboshgu (talk) 03:27, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Well, no it's not. Per ITN/R, the quality of the article matters. Any thoughts on that? HiLo48 (talk) 04:47, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, I'll let you form your own conclusions about the article. Lepricavark (talk) 05:02, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I have. It's crap. HiLo48 (talk) 05:56, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
While your assessment is unsurprisingly exaggerated, the article could certainly use more expansion. Lepricavark (talk) 16:43, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. that's what I meant. HiLo48 (talk) 00:42, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Because like half the league still gets to play in the elimination tournament. All major North American sports leagues do not restrict winning chances to only 2 teams (baseball did for it's traditional decades but that ended like a half century ago, MLB playoffs are 10 teams by now). Sagittarian Milky Way (talk) 22:09, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Um, yeah, and the reason I missed that is because it was placed before the regular season tables, which doesn't make a lot of sense - shouldn't the prose about the playoffs actually be in the playoff section? Black Kite (talk) 00:13, 10 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Per Ahlmark

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Article: Per Ahlmark (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Expressen
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Former Deputy PM of Sweden. EternalNomad (talk) 01:55, 9 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) 44th G7 Summit

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Consensus against posting now. Wait for the summit to conclude, update the article and nominate it again. Item is ITN/R and doesn't have to satisfy anyone's insistence on "significance". --LaserLegs (talk) 21:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 44th G7 summit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The 44th G7 summit begins in La Malbaie, Quebec, Canada, amid rising tensions with the United States. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The 44th G7 summit begins in La Malbaie, Quebec, Canada
News source(s): http://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-44409775
Credits:

Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Widely notable summit that is regularly featured on the front page, made even more notable due to recent events. PineForst282929 (talk) 13:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, and even if it were allowable, it's too vague on top of that.--WaltCip (talk) 13:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Alt added. --LukeSurl t c 13:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I expect they'll go out for drinks & dinner. Sca (talk) 20:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • Actually, unlike the World's Fairs, it's not necessarily the opening that's ITRN. So no-one need nom it for removal yet, just wait to see if anything of any actual relevance happens. And see how the article evolves. Easy. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose nothing has happened. The Rambling Man (talk) 14:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is ITNR but the article quality is well below our standards. There are several empty sections and at least one section that is entirely unsourced. Beyond that the article is basically a skeleton with little meat. I suggest waiting until the summit concludes at which point we may be able to post it, assuming improved article quality, with a more interesting blurb. -Ad Orientem (talk) 14:58, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality, but as ITNR should be posted if it is improved. Normally we post G7/G8 at the start of the summit but as there's calls to bring Russia back in or to kick the US out, this is a case where waiting for the summit to conclude makes sense, and, if any major event like those happen, include that in the blurb. --Masem (t) 15:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    When did we last post G7 summit please? The Rambling Man (talk) 15:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Technically, we shouldn't be asking that question as long as G7/G8 is on the ITNR list. We posted 2013, didn't post the cancellation of the 40th/2014 when they kicked Russia out, didn't post 2015 and best I can tell, wasn't nominated in either 2016 or 2017 (though they did happen of course). --Masem (t) 15:11, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    Technically we can ask any question we like so I'm not sure what "technical" reason prevents me from asking such a question. You just made an assertion about us "normally posting G7/G8 at the start of the summit" and I wanted to see evidence for that. Thanks for your response. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:17, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    When we posted, we posted due to the start of the summit, normally. We just don't always post the summit, in some cases not nominated, in other cases, not gaining consensus to post for various reasons; but a check through the archives suggests that in nearly all cases, the nomination for ITNC was made based on the start of the summit. My point initially was that given the situation leading into and around this specific summit, waiting until it concludes to see what events develop may be better than posting its start --Masem (t) 16:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    The 2013 posting you mean? I understand. I thought you said we "normally posted" it, asserting some kind of pedigree of posting the opening. That clearly isn't the case. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:08, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - ITN/R is not an automatic notability pass. If this isn't notable, it's not notable.--WaltCip (talk) 15:29, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Um, yes it is. "This page in a nutshell: The recurring events listed on this page are considered suitable for inclusion on the Main Page in the In the news section every time they occur. Other recurring events may also be included if they satisfy the usual ITN criteria." It just needs to be sufficiently updated to post. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
      • The opening of the summit is not notable. The conclusion may be, but this isn't.--WaltCip (talk) 15:33, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
        • Indeed. Where are people reading that the opening of the G8 is ITNR? I'm certainly not seeing that, but perhaps "mine eyes are dim, I cannot see"... The Rambling Man (talk) 15:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
          • @WaltCip and The Rambling Man: ITNR just says the G8, or G7, is ITNR. It doesn't say opening or closing. Perhaps we should add a qualifier to note that we should post it upon its completion. Or was it meant to highlight the event in an ongoing style? I'm not sure of the intent there. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:49, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
            • I just thought it was common sense because the opening of these is not inherently notable in any sense, what is decided and/or enacted during the course of the meetings may be. It's almost certainly jettisoning it from ITNR for that very reason. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
              • I can understand why it was nominated now, as it's in the news and certainly dominated the news radio I was listening to on my way to work (well, that and Anthony Bourdain). I think it could go up now, but only if in better quality than it is. Otherwise, we can hope it's in good enough shape when the meeting ends, and there is something noteworthy to include in a blurb. – Muboshgu (talk) 16:00, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose both on quality, and because the ITNR listing (which is definitely there) should be for the end of the summit, once the news of the summit has been reported. power~enwiki (π, ν) 15:42, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose it makes more sense to post the ending. Lepricavark (talk) 16:48, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As others have mentioned, it makes more sense to post once the summit has concluded. While the increasing stance of President Trump to be isolationist is making news, I think that's another subject for another time. StrikerforceTalk 17:01, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree that, at least in this case, the conclusion is what matters, especially this year where it looks like Trump will be left out of the closing statement. 331dot (talk) 17:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

⇒ Near unanimous opposition. Nothing else is going to happen today. Suggest close. Sca (talk) 20:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted to RD) RD: Anthony Bourdain

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Article: Anthony Bourdain (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American chef and personality Anthony Bourdain is found dead from apparent suicide. (Post)
News source(s): BBC. Guardian.
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: US celebrity chef and television personality. Referencing issues. Sherenk1 (talk) 11:51, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Several sources say suicide, which given his age and that he was seemingly in top form is surprising. Does this belong in the lede of the article? Sca (talk) 13:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Tagged about 8-9 statements for citations, but I don't think these are incredibly hard to complete (they are his well known activities but they should be cited). Obviously support once fixed. Iff this is deemed a suicide, I would potentially suggest this could be a blurb, but I'd say that's a premature call right now. --Masem (t) 14:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Weak Support Blurb I'd equate Bourdain with Robin Williams or David Bowie - one of the top people in their field (culinary arts in this case, rather than a TV personality) with sufficient international reputation, and as it is pretty much assured a suicide, the death falls under "unusual". If it was a natural death, I'd likely oppose it, and I definitely understand the resiliency towards including this as a blurb now. --Masem (t) 19:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb even if this is a suicide, and the article is improved to FA status. Not Thatcher or Mandela, won't be a 3 days news fest like Michael Jackson. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:36, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb top of his field, widely known, suicide is atypical for his field (unlike say musicians). Nergaal (talk) 15:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Anthony Bourdain was an influential chef and TV host, yet still commited suicide. It's been confirmed by CNN and by his friends. This is a terrible loss in food and entertainment media. —StarkinMN 15:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Celebrity chef and TV personality Anthony Bourdain committed suicide on Friday at the age of 61, in a shocking death that has stunned the food world. More news: "Bourdain hanged himself in his room at the Le Chambard hotel in Kaysersberg, France, where he was filming an upcoming episode of his CNN show Parts Unknown, according to French media." Count Iblis (talk) 15:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not a reply to this !vote, but just a reminder that Daily Mail should not be used for sourcing anything BLP related. Mind you, that it was likely suicide was confirmed by multiple RSes, not an issue here, but we should be careful using DM to justify a reason to post an RD/blurb. --Masem (t) 18:49, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support for RD There are a handful of CN tags in an otherwise good article. Once those are handled this should be good to go. Oppose Blurb. I have no idea where this silly idea that blurbs are reserved for persons on the level of Nelson Mandela or Margaret Thatcher originated, but that is obviously unrealistic and has never been the generally accepted standard. Nevertheless, while a well known television personality, I don't think he was in the top tier of his field, which has been the customary standard for blurbs. -Ad Orientem (talk) 15:10, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, support RD. Not newsworthy enough for a blurb. Natureium (talk) 17:18, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support RD. I just took care of the last few CN tags. - JuneGloom07 Talk 17:19, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb: His unexpected death and left a huge impact and is being compared to that of Robin Williams. Article in good shape. If blurb fails then count me as a Support RD, but aim for blurb. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:29, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose blurb, support RD: This is shocking and sad, but isn't newsworthy enough in my book to merit a blurb. I'm not sure if he was well-known internationally, although he was an important cultural figure in the US. Jip Orlando (talk) 17:55, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for RD, possibly blurb - Well-known culinary celebrity who showcased the world's cuisine. WAR headlines on many media outlets this morning (CNN notwithstanding). CoatCheck (talk) 17:57, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tagging as Ready for RD. Discussions about a blurb can continue. -Ad Orientem (talk) 18:04, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted as RD for the time being, blurb discussions can continue. Black Kite (talk) 18:07, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Removed) Remove 2018 Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak from ongoing

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Article: 2018 Democratic Republic of the Congo Ebola virus outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Nominator's comments: Few recent updates. On behalf of User:Tone. --LaserLegs (talk) 14:34, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No essential updates in the last 5 days. Clearly, the outbreak is still ongoing but the news have receded, update-wise. --Tone 08:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) 2018 Stanley Cup Finals

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Article: 2018 Stanley Cup Finals (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In ice hockey, the Washington Capitals defeat the Vegas Golden Knights to win the Stanley Cup Finals. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In ice hockey, the Washington Capitals defeat the Vegas Golden Knights to win the Stanley Cup Finals (Conn Smythe Trophy winner Alexander Ovechkin pictured).
News source(s): NYT
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 03:02, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) PC Party Wins Ontario Election

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Article: Ontario general election, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The Ontario PC party, led by Doug Ford wins a majority in the Ontario Provincial election (Post)
News source(s): http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-election-vote-ford-horwath-wynne-pc-ndp-liberal-green-1.4696736
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Nominator's comments: Ontario contains almost 40% of Canada's population, and the fact that Doug Ford, brother of the late Rob Ford, is the leader should be of note. GrandKokla (talk) 02:59, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) NASA Curiosity finds organic matter on Mars

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Article: Life on Mars (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ NASA reports discovery of complex organic molecules found by Curiosity in the Gale crater on Mars (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ NASA reports the discovery by Curiosity of complex organic molecules in the Gale crater on Mars.
News source(s): Science (journal article), Guardian
Credits:

Nominator's comments: Quoting from the Science abstract, "Diverse pyrolysis products, including thiophenic, aromatic, and aliphatic compounds released at high temperatures (500° to 820°C), were directly detected by evolved gas analysis" - this is not just methane. I don't think we'd want to link to Life on Mars as that's too speculative, but the results do show that some 3billion years ago, there were organic chemistry on the surface or subsurface of Mars. Masem (t) 18:54, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • If that is the case, you should correct the template above. When you say that the updated article, in the template, is supposed to be Curiosity (rover), that is the article we're all supposed to assess for main page appropriateness. If you didn't want that article to be assessed, you should have identified the one you DID want assessed. I'm not a mind-reader, you know. If you tell me to assess an article, I'm going to assess the one you tell me. --Jayron32 02:29, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Also, in that case Oppose because the target article is not even linked in the blurb. --Jayron32 02:30, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
When I first proposed this, I felt the Life on Mars article might be a misdirection for readers (we want to be clear this was not the discovery of life on mars, only evidence that suggests Mars could have supported life), but in the subsequent discussion, clearly the one that makes the most sense, and I did add the initial section that got expanded on, but forgot to update target and blurb. That's my bad. --Masem (t) 23:34, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
NASA reports discovery of complex organic molecules found by Curiosity in the Gale crater on Mars
wumbolo ^^^ 13:34, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Stale) RD: Peter Stringfellow

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Article: Peter Stringfellow (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: At the time of nominating there are two {{citation needed}}s, but these seem to be fairly minor issues that could be resolved fairly easily. Article is generally in good shape. LukeSurl t c 10:53, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Red Schoendienst

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Article: Red Schoendienst (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fox News St. Louis Dispatch
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Oldest living member of Baseball Hall of Fame. Famed St. Louis "Mr. Cardinal" wore the uniform longer than anybody else in team franchise history (67 of his 76 years in baseball with the Cardinals). Coached for the 1964 world champion team and managed them for their 1967 World Series win. CoatCheck (talk) 03:11, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Remove Turkish currency and debt crisis, 2018 from ongoing

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Withdrew per last comment. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:32, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

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Article: Turkish currency and debt crisis, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Ongoing item removal (Post)
Nominator's comments: Few recent updates. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 03:59, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support removal I think this is one of those cases where we misunderstood the idea of "ongoing." Yes, the crisis is ongoing, but I would not expect continual ITN level status changes. In any case, I consume a wide variety of news sources daily and have not heard a whisper of this outside of ITN. ghost 16:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Glynn Edwards

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Article: Glynn Edwards (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): (Telegraph)
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Died 23 May, death announced today 5 June. A few referencing issues to address. Mjroots (talk) 15:02, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am busy with "mine". Is day of reporting when it's in a source, or when I bring it here? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:25, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
When it's in a source, apparently. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:27, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It does say he was a man, it's implicit from the word "actor". Mjroots (talk) 16:35, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Referencing issues addressed. Mjroots (talk) 16:42, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
[80] looks promising as ref for the filmography, but then has the same character listed dozens of times...are those TV episodes? Is this a reliable source? ghost 18:31, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I must say that is very disappointing. I'd expect much better from BFI. Not sure where else to look. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:24, 7 June 2018 (UTC) Dave??[reply]
I figured it out...eventually. It's dumb, but it is the BFI. Added a second ref from "Memorable TV" for most of them. Aside from a "who cares" CN for his school (remove it if we must) I'm happy now. ghost 21:59, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • We require articles to present a full coverage of the topic, and we require them to be above a stub; I'd assess what I looked at as a stub. There's more in the Guardian obit, if someone advocating for this can be bothered to comb through it. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:10, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Have now added as suggested. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:59, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - too late. We should stick with recent deaths, not recently reported deaths. Imagine someone who went MIA in Vietnam War and recently confirmed dead. -Zanhe (talk) 03:35, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Zanhe: there is precedent for treating these cases as being listed as though they occurred on the day of first reporting. In the scenario you mention, it would be assessed on its merits. Mjroots (talk) 05:54, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Feng Ting-kuo

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Article: Feng Ting-kuo (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): 前親民黨立委馮定國辭世 得年67歲 (in Chinese) (as referenced on Deaths in 2018)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article seems in order, though I am unable to check the Chinese language refs. Reference on Deaths in 2018 for his death is also in Chinese, so I am not going to add this to the article myself. LukeSurl t c 11:21, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@1779Days: Read the fine print above: anyone notable enough for Wikipedia is notable enough for RD. And English news source is not a requirement per WP:BIAS. We post lots of insignificant figures from the English-speaking world. -Zanhe (talk) 03:27, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I have and they're fine. -Zanhe (talk) 03:28, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Kate Spade

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Article: Kate Spade (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes, PageSix
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: New York fashion designer and businesswoman, in an apparent suicide. Very heavy editing of the article at present. power~enwiki (π, ν) 16:36, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not under consideration for RD nominations. Discussion should focus only on the quality of the article.--WaltCip (talk) 17:16, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) David Koch resigns

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Article: David Koch (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ GOP gigadonor David Koch steps down from Koch Industries (Post)
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Arguably one of the most powerful persons on the planet due to his influence on the US political system Count Iblis (talk) 15:31, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Eunice Lam

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Article: Eunice Lam (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): SCMP
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Article updated
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(Stale) RD: C.M. Newton

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Stale, unfortunately. Vanamonde (talk) 09:41, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: C. M. Newton (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Legendary collegiate sports administrator. Brought University of Kentucky basketball program out of the dark ages following a rules violation suspension. Brought in the shot clock and the three-point line as NCAA rules chair for basketball.— Preceding unsigned comment added by CoatCheck (talk • contribs)
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(Posted) RD: J. B. Munro

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Article: J. B. Munro (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dominion Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:20, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I think the disability advocacy is at least touched on in the various charity positions he held? But the split between sections with the political career in the middle downplays it. I'd like to see at least a half sentence on what he did as an MP. The categories suggest he was also a councillor for Invercargill, which doesn't seem to be mentioned in the text. What happened to the biography by Stace? Espresso Addict (talk) 16:57, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Espresso Addict:: From the Otago Daily Times --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 04:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Dwight Clark

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Article: Dwight Clark (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

 – Muboshgu (talk) 01:52, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Frank Carlucci

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Article: Frank Carlucci (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Article updated and well sourced --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 21:59, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's referenced in the Nation article; I've added it (and cleared up the {{cn}} in the next section). — Hugh (talk) 01:45, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Slovenian parliamentary election, 2018

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Article: Slovenian parliamentary election, 2018 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In the Slovenian parliamentary election the Slovenian Democratic Party wins the most seats. (Post)
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Nominator's comments: 99.9% of votes counted now. 10 different parties got seats in a PR system, so it's hard to declare a "winner" and the government formation (and new PM) might take a while. Article looks fairly good for the campaign coverage, just needs a bit of post-election stuff and a bit of a tidy in the tables. LukeSurl t c 11:13, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

All good. You did edit under me but updated now. Stephen 01:17, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Omar Razzaz becomes Prime Minister of Jordan

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Articles: Omar Razzaz (talk · history · tag) and 2018 Jordanian protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Omar Razzaz becomes Prime Minister of Jordan after his predecessor resigns following widespread protests against austerity measures. (Post)
News source(s): Al Jazeera
Credits:

Nominator's comments: News just breaking. Article isn't great. There doesn't seem to be a current article for his successor Omar al-Razza. LukeSurl t c 11:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • @Ammarpad: I don't see how your misinformed opinion has to do with this being news. The new government still has to be approved by an elected parliament, and can be also be dismissed by it. In any case it is still noteworthy as the protests are still ongoing. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:04, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support symbolic or not, this is still a head of government of a sovereign state. The new PM can use a few thousand bytes of prose though. Juxlos (talk) 14:50, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
@Juxlos: Designation is official now. Did my best to expand article at this moment, I expanded the protests article though. What do you think? Makeandtoss (talk) 10:01, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Mustapha Akanbi

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Article: Mustapha Akanbi (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [81]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Nominator's comments: Nigerian jurist, head of the Independent Corrupt Practices Commission. Article appears to be OK. LukeSurl t c 08:11, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Volcán de Fuego eruption

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Article: 2018 Volcán de Fuego eruption (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Guatemala, Volcán de Fuego erupts, killing 7 people and forcing the closure of the La Aurora International Airport. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Guatemala, Volcán de Fuego erupts, killing 38 people.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Twenty-five people have been killed and hundreds injured in the most violent eruption in decades in Guatemala.
News source(s): BBC
Credits:

Nominator's comments: First deadly volcano eruption in 2 years. EternalNomad (talk) 01:28, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Would suggest bolding Volcán de Fuego, and giving updater credit to GWA88. Someone should also stay on top of the death toll, as the lava flow is currently headed towards a small town. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 01:31, 4 June 2018 (UTC))[reply]
  • Oppose for now. There's almost no prose about this eruption beyond a single sentence in a table, which imparts little more information than the blurb itself does. Would expect at least a paragraph, if not more, on this eruption, written in the main body of the article. --Jayron32 01:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I was originally going to state that I did not think the volcano's article merited more detail on this eruption than was currently listed, but as we're now up to 25 deaths, I'd say this eruption merits its own article and we ought to consider bolding that once it's been done. (NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:17, 4 June 2018 (UTC))[reply]
Comment Just started a separate article on the eruption at 2018 Volcán de Fuego eruption. Will work on expanding it. SounderBruce 06:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not helpful. The Rambling Man (talk) 12:16, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:SOFIXIT. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 19:47, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Yawn, not interested. I read the article and checked the refs instead of rushing here to "Support - OMFG 62 irrelevant people DIED! IMMEDIATE POST THIS VERY IMPORTANT NEWS!". Thanks though. --LaserLegs (talk) 21:07, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I hope families of the dead don't read this comment. Very disappointing. 331dot (talk) 21:56, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Disappointing? If I-285 collapses on my drive in and I'm one of 14 people killed ... does it matter? Do I matter? Come on. You're screamer #1 about ITN not being a "news ticker" you're not gonna bring these people back by speedy posting this weeks disaster stub. It's in the news, so I support it, but pretending that it's somehow "important" or "very significant" is bordering on ridiculous. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:11, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
... plus 300 injured, plus 1.7 million affected (in a country of 15 million), plus who knows how much $$$ in damages. Yeah, it's just a tiny third-world country, so it's all irrelevant. *sigh* (I saw the article both before and after it was posted, and both times it looked short but accurate, given the information known at the time.) –FlyingAce✈hello 22:30, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
OMFG 62 irrelevant people DIED!. Irrelevant to who? We're now measuring human worth against Wikipedia notability? Hmmm. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:18, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Last winter a nor'easter stranded 10's of thousands of people, cancelled 100's of flights and crippled the north east. Know what the consensus was? "Yawn, some people were inconvenienced no one died". Lets not pretend this was posted for anything other than death toll. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:14, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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(Stale) RD: Joe Berinson

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Stale.--WaltCip (talk) 11:31, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Joe Berinson (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Obit
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Australian politician. Article seems adequate. LukeSurl t c 08:16, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While a little more fleshed out compared to the nomination below, articles of politicians need to be more than a prose list of the positions occupied to merit an RD posting imo. The article needs to have information on what the subject did while in that position, notable policy changes, issues that the subject advocated for, major controversies, etc. SpencerT•C 13:20, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose per Spencer, what's there is just fine, but it's too brief. The Rambling Man (talk) 08:03, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: Álvaro Lapuerta

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Stale.--WaltCip (talk) 11:31, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Álvaro Lapuerta (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [83] (Spanish)
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Spanish politician. Article seems adequately referenced, though it is perhaps only just above stub-length. LukeSurl t c 08:19, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: Nick Meglin

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Article: Nick Meglin (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [84]
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American magazine editor. Article is probably just over stub size. LukeSurl t c 08:24, 4 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Stale) RD: John Julius Norwich

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Alas indeed; this RD entry is now stale.--WaltCip (talk) 11:32, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: John Julius Norwich (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Daily Telegraph
Credits:

Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Norwich was a well-known historian who authored multiple books and hosted many television documentaries Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:01, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The image has now been removed. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:04, 3 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Closed) U.S.-North Korea summit

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Strong consensus against posting, see you in a fortnight, y'all. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:45, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: 2018 North Korea–United States summit (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ U.S. President Donald Trump announces that the North Korea-United States summit has been reinstated for June 12, 2018. (Post)
News source(s): NYT
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: A momentous occasion (if it actually happens this time). WaltCip (talk) 18:55, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) Spanish prime minister

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Articles: Pedro Sánchez (Spanish politician) (talk · history · tag) and Mariano Rajoy (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Pedro Sánchez becomes Prime Minister of Spain after Mariano Rajoy loses a vote of no confidence. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Pedro Sánchez becomes Prime Minister of Spain after Mariano Rajoy loses a vote of no confidence.
News source(s): BBC, Guardian
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 KTC (talk) 10:00, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not ITNR but that's ok. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:53, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Premier of Pakistan changed

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Article: Nasirul Mulk (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Nasirul Mulk is sworn in as Caretaker Prime Minister of Pakistan. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Former Chief Justice of Pakistan Nasirul Mulk takes oath as 7th Caretaker Prime Minister of Pakistan.
News source(s): Geo News, The Express Tribune, The News International, Pakistan Today
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Nominator's comments: Gaining widespread media coverage. Plus change of head of state is also listed in ITNR. The article seems to be in good state. Amirk94391 (talk) 09:36, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Italian government formed

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Article: 2018 Italian government formation (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ After months of negotiations, the Government of Change takes power in Italy with Giuseppe Conte as prime minister (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Giuseppe Conte becomes Prime Minister of Italy, leading a coalition government after protracted negotiations
News source(s): e.g. [85] with lots of previous coverage [86]
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Article updated

 Banedon (talk) 07:09, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose the Government of Change article is not updated and forms a very important part of the blurb. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:15, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The end of a long-running saga with important implications for the world's 8th largest economy. I've added an altblurb. Modest Genius talk 11:05, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • I could support this. My only niggling concern is the amount of paragraphs beginning or infested with proseline (on xx March/April/May 2018...) in the highlighted article, though repetitive yet coherent English isn't a barrier for posting. Fuebaey (talk) 15:15, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - The new government will most likely put Italy in the Euro-critic camp, as in they will oppose certain rules and agreements currently being enforced within the EU, such as the sending migrants back and having plans that go against the fiscal/economic policies of the EU. Like Modest Genius said this will have quite some implications for the EU, and is a move away from ussual Italian politics from my understanding, henche why I support putting this on the frontpage. However, the article is quite sparse and needs a update. Dragnadh (talk) 17:29, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Definitely one of the most significant developments in recent European politics. Has been covered heavily by international media.--RaviC (talk) 22:48, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question we posted the election results back on March 9th, so is this government unexpected or did it just take longer than usual to form a shaky coalition that'll collapse in 18 months and force new elections? --LaserLegs (talk) 23:06, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
All of the pre-election alliances failed to reach a coalition, but the new alliance (which includes populists from across the political spectrum) was unexpected by many due to the differences in ideology. It does however have a stable majority in both houses of the Italian Parliament. --RaviC (talk) 23:27, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clarifying. No comment on nom. --LaserLegs (talk) 00:14, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
By which time this would no longer be news? --RaviC (talk) 13:30, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Not ITN/R but that's ok. --LaserLegs (talk) 17:19, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Arkady Babchenko fakes death

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Consensus is clearly against posting this to ITN. Thryduulf (talk) 19:21, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Article: Arkady Babchenko (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Russian journalist Arkady Babchenko fakes his own death, claiming a plot on his life (Post)
News source(s): See article or Google, e.g. [87]
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Was nominated as RD, now nominating as blurb since he didn't actually die but is making a lot of news regardless Banedon (talk) 02:05, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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  1. ^ Herrington, Ryan (June 17, 2018). "U.S. Open 2018: Brooks Koepka wins U.S. Open, repeats as champion after shooting closing 68 at Shinnecock Hills". Golf Digest.
  2. ^ Ritter, Jeff (June 17, 2018). "Back to back! Brooks Koepka outlasts Tommy Fleetwood to win 118th U.S. Open at Shinnecock Hills". Golf.com.
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