User talk:Infovarius

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Regards, --Ymblanter (talk) 17:34, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Привет, Ярослав :) Infovarius (talk) 17:38, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I removed chairperson (P488) as it seemed to triggered a constraint issue when I looked at this early this week. I was in the process of locating a property for Red Cloud as the chieftan/chief of the tribe to the Oglala Lakota (Q543386) entity. However the item Red Cloud (Q312721) clearly states his role in the tribe. jshieh (talk) 16:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ

Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ el Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ οχι

Αυτό το λήμμα έχει προταθεί για διαγραφή σύμφωνα με την πολιτική διαγραφής της Βικιπαίδειας.

Παρακαλούμε δείτε την αιτιολόγηση, επισκεπτόμενοι την καταχώριση της σελίδας στη σελίδα διαγραφών και εκφράστε εκεί τη γνώμη σας γι' αυτό. Είστε ευπρόσδεκτοι να επεξεργαστείτε τη σελίδα, αλλά παρακαλούμε μη διαγράφετε το περιεχόμενο ή την παρούσα σημείωση, καθώς εξελίσσεται η διαδικασία. Προς τον χρήστη που προτείνει τη διαγραφή: Δημιουργήστε την καταχώριση εξηγώντας την αιτιολογία διαγραφής. Διαχειριστές: διαγραφhttps://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A1%CE%BF%CF%8D%CE%BC%CF%80%CE%B5%CE%BF%CF%85%CF%82_%CE%A7%CE%AC%CE%B3%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%BD%CF%84 2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A 12:23, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

ελ Ρούμπεους Χάγκριντ οχι 2A02:587:CC62:CE74:40F5:1165:F3D8:E44A 12:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

I saw this template. When the article will be deleted, the link will be removed from Wikidata item too. Not earlier. --Infovarius (talk) 00:34, 6 January 2023 (UTC)

Q6581072

Hello. The reason of my removal of the English page was that it seems that the individual pages all seem to be different and aren't all necessarily about the same thing. The English page – Female (gender) is a redirect to Gender, the French page – Sexe féminin ("Female sex") is a redirect to Femme ("Woman") and the Slovak one –Ženské pohlavie ("Female sex") is an article on its own about the biology of the female sex. --CaeCalig (talk) 16:05, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Well they seem quite the same for me... --Infovarius (talk) 18:15, 11 January 2023 (UTC)

Mercury

Hi. You recently reverted my edits on Mercury. These edits brought Mercury in line with Venus, the Moon, the Sun, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, and Saturn. Mercury was not "discovered" or "invented". The issue here is that it automatically populates templates on other Wiki projects with "no value" instead of simply leaving this field as ignored from the template, as per the other celestial bodies known since antiquity. If you insist on Mercury being different from all the other celestial bodies known since antiquity, how do you propose to resolve this field issue on the other wikis? MacTire02 (talk) 18:36, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Mercury was discovered when the first conscientious being noted it (or probably also understand that it was a planet, depends on a POV). But it is unknown when and by whom. What's wrong in this claim? And yes, all other "classic" planets should have such claims. --Infovarius (talk) 21:18, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Q19707

Hi! I had seen P:P1889 (different from) were it's said that Q19707 is different from Q1982417. So "donkey" is different from "Equus asinus", therefore, both cannot be synonims. That said, it might be that they are synonims and that P1889 is wrong. Right now, I'm undecided, as donkeys can be of different subspecies. I don't have enough knowledge about donkeys (other than they are cool and mostly friendly). So I find your undoing my edit correct. Thanks. B25es (talk) 15:09, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Q2386361 Mexicanero

Hi. I noticed that you reverted my recent edit in Mexicanero (Q2386361). Let me explain why I made the change in the first place.

The Mexicanero language, also known as Durango Nahuatl, originally had the ISO 639-3 code "nln". In 2012 it was decided to drop the "nln" code and split it into two new codes: "azd" (Eastern Durango Nahuatl) and "azn" (Western Durango Nahuatl). See change request documentation.

The corresponding items are Eastern Durango Nahuatl (Q16115449) and Western Durango Nahuatl (Q12645553). Q16115449 has ISO 639-3 code (P220) "azd", Q12645553 has ISO 639-3 code (P220) "azn". Both are subclass of (P279) Q2386361. So I feel it would be redundant to add the "azd" code to Q2386361. Moreover, I think it would be plain misleading, as "azd" does not apply to the Mexicanero language as a whole, but only to the Eastern variety of it.

Or what do you think? Languoid (talk) 15:18, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the info. You are completely right. --Infovarius (talk) 18:59, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Rubber

Now that the item documentation templates work with the list item (P11260) qualifier, you may want to update rubber (Q18113858) in that respect. Please let us know if you encounter any further side effects of the of (P642) deprecation effort (see Wikidata talk:WikiProject Data Quality/Issues/P642 for the discussion of its current state). --SM5POR (talk) 10:44, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

Unfortunately I can't see "Item documentation" unless I add it in source code. --Infovarius (talk) 14:05, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

It's included (or at least should be; I can see it) in the autodescription now (since May last year, I think) appearing on the corresponding Talk:Q18113858 page, even when that page holds no other content and the link to it shows up as red ("page does not exist"). --SM5POR (talk) 07:02, 27 January 2023 (UTC)

No, this is only in English interface. There was a discussion recently but sysops can't (or have no wish) to help other languages... --Infovarius (talk) 21:59, 28 January 2023 (UTC)

Aha! Little I know; I haven't even tried any other interface than the English one, but you make me curious to see what the Swedish interface may look like. I have a hunch I'm not going to like it; when I bought a Garmin (Q658789) handheld receiver in 2003 I switched to the English interface in order not to be constantly annoyed by the poor Swedish translation... --SM5POR (talk) 07:48, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

In wiki you have power to change it :) That's what I am doing for my native language. --Infovarius (talk) 08:13, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Computer surveillance: conflation?

This may seem unrelated to you, but I'm right now somewhat confused by what I see and would appreciate your comments. I was looking into the "reason for deprecation" class tree and saw subclass of (P279) of computer and network surveillance (Q651476) mention conflation (Q14946528). "Weird" I thought and planned to deprecate it, but out of curiosity I first looked at the edit history and found that it was added by @Jura1 over two years ago. That was unexpected, to say the least!

Now, Jura1 hasn't been active for almost a year I believe, and User talk:Jura1 doesn't seem to be used for discussions with other editors, so I'm turning to you since you added a subclass of (P279) application (Q166142) statement at about the same time. This is of course a long shot, but do you have any idea of why conflation (Q14946528) was added back then? Is it some kind of inside joke that flies over my head?

Now that I have explained myself, I find myself confident enough to go ahead with the deprecation, hoping my action won't be immediately reverted, but I sure would like to know what caused that claim!

And, by the way: application (Q166142)? Really? But it's not half as weird as conflation, so I'm leaving it that way for now... --SM5POR (talk) 07:24, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Looking a little further, I found computer surveillance in the workplace (Q5157587) as well as computer monitoring (Q41107945) and wonder whether there could be a fine distinction between computers being the means vs the target (or maybe even the actors in true Terminator style) of surveillance... --SM5POR (talk) 08:29, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

As for computer and network surveillance (Q651476), it's quite obvious that some sitelinks describes software (as I've added), some hardware, so I understand mentioning conflation (Q14946528). Probably it's worth to separate this items into into. But probably there are "conflation" articles anyway. As for second question, probably we can't distinguish means and target computers well. --Infovarius (talk) 08:27, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

«Computer appliance» и «Программно-аппаратный комплекс»

В английской статье рассказывается об устройствах, имеющих узкую область применения и представленных в виде законченных устройств, вроде роутеров, мини-АТС и NAS. Русское словосочетание «программно-аппаратный комплекс» — это гораздо более сложное понятие, которое может включать в себя такие системы, как SAGE. Это очень сильно разные понятия. Tucvbif (talk) 11:36, 25 February 2023 (UTC)

. Tucvbif (talk) 21:58, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

@Tucvbig, Vbif-routine: так, прошу прощения, потерял эту тему. Что же вы предлагаете? Сделать английскую статью подклассом русской? А остальные языки куда? --Infovarius (talk) 18:05, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Просто посмотреть, на каком языке понятие ближе к чему. А вообще, как мне кажется, к этой сущности каждый привязал кто во что горазд. Если у английской статьи упор делается на то, что устройство не обслуживается пользователем, то в de — на узкоспециализированной архитектуре, заточенной под работу на ней строго определённого ПО, а у французов вроде как вообще про выделенный сервер говорится. Tucvbif (talk) 18:51, 20 December 2023 (UTC)

Shonen, Seinen and Josei in french.

Hello.

Can you please stop changing the description of the Shonen, Seinen and Josei in french !? Can you please stop changing the description of the Shonen, Seinen and Josei in french !? Your information is wrong and it is not necessary; it is just an editorial line of manga magazines; And that's enough for the description of the pages.

I'm an experienced Wikipedia user in English and French, so I know what I'm doing, you can find me at Phil81194. I hope you understand what I'm saying, thank you. 129.45.23.167 09:10, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

@Phil81194: hello! I understand your words but I don't understand your argument. These "editorial lines" have quite established meaning which I want to reflect. What's wrong with it? --Infovarius (talk) 15:37, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Hello.

It is not necessary to mention it in the description, and on the top of that, your information is wrong because it is just the editorial line of the magazines. I would like also to mention that it is up to the wikipedia users of that language to decide the description of the page, and it is been decided by the French language users of Wikipedia. I hope you understand, thanks. 129.45.20.228 16:13, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

You are wrong. French users put this in preamble: "pour... adolescents et de jeunes de genre masculin". So this is correct and important for this subject. --Infovarius (talk) 18:57, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

No. Can you please stop adding this, it is too long and not necessary at all, no one did that. I'm a French wikipedia user and I know what I'm doing, it is up to the users of this wikipedia language to decide what the description looks like. You are from the Russian wikipedia, I don't know why you insist on the description of the french one, Please, I hope you understand and leave it like that. Seriously it is just a description ! I don't know why you insist. Thanks.41.220.147.30 17:52, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Q28122896

The rural municipalities in Estonia were not abolished in 2017, many of those were just merged but many also continued entirely undisturbed existence. Please don't reinsert that claim. It would actually be more helpful if you could find a nice way to describe that this type of municipality was abolished in 1950 and reestablished/restored in 1991 - it can't be just via inception and abolishment statements, there must be a better solution. --Ehitaja (talk) 12:37, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Discarded change on Coltrane's Wikidata page

Hello, You have discarded my removal of Giant Step work by Coltrane that duplicated.. with comment 'seems really famous' Yes ideed, but not to the point of having it duplicated! Thanks for discarding that work again for me. Hum6hum4 (talk) 22:57, 9 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh. @Hum6hum4: I didn't notice... Actually not a real duplicate: a composition and an album. But probably one of them is enough. --Infovarius (talk) 19:01, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

De-facto

Hello. Problem with this list. Машъал (talk) 07:34, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

Это ко мне вопрос? Я как раз восстанавливал Россию где-то. --Infovarius (talk) 13:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Я как раз про то же, на неделе набежал участник и поудалял Россию из сотен элементов Крыма, начавших выпадать в этот список. Сейчас его ограничили. Но проблема системная, а ошибки и вандализм можно отслеживать по списку. Машъал (talk) 14:04, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

Smettila

Smettila di annullare l'inserimento su Islom Karimov, il termine dittatore si può usare nella descrizione della voce. 2A01:E11:5400:8390:9139:5150:481E:9D7 14:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Это ненейтрально и спорно, особенно для ныне живущих. Оценкам не место в описании. Хотите - добавьте утверждение и подтвердите его авторитетными источниками. --Infovarius (talk) 08:27, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Киевские митрополиты

Добрый день, я планирую эту статью, как обзорную, по Митрополитам Киевским во временном промежутке 1686-1918 гг. По моему мнению языковые ссылки были установлены сооветственно. Пожалуйста, посмотрите внимательнее по языковым ссылкам. Аналог страницы в рувике мне неизвестен. AlexPin (talk) 14:23, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

@AlexPin: Хочется, чтобы ссылки соответствовали (прямо эквивалентно) теме элемента. А Митрополия!=Митрополит (в Викиданных организация и руководитель д.б. в разных элементах). А где вы хотите обзорную сделать? --Infovarius (talk) 08:31, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Это и будет обзорная, все остальные статьи по Киевской митрополии начиная с X века существуют, и связаны с соответствующими аналогами в других языковых проектах. Также имеются страницы, более фокусно раскрывающие тему, такие например как Православие в Великом княжестве Литовском, или обзорно-специализированные, такие как Митрополит Киевский и всея Руси. А эта статья была создана автором как описательная, но охватывавшая не весь период, а лишь начиная с 1458 года. Так и провисела никому не нужная 11 лет. Я случайно на неё наткнулся, и озадачился, что с ней делать? Решение пришло как-то само собой, в ру-вики нет описательной статьи по митрополитам Киевским в период с 1686 года, момента смены юрисдикции митрополии, до 1918 года, когда уже почти ликвидированная митрополия обрела статус самостоятельной церкви в составе Московского патриархата.

Не соответствующие тематике вставки я перенёс в специальные статьи, ничего не пропало, а из тех статей, весь лишний материал перенёс сюда, В общем навёл порядок, более менее. Осталось дополнить статью, оформить, и улучшить структуру. Да, и переименовать. Но языковые ссылки я установил сразу, чтобы привлечь больше заинтересованных участников, у меня не хватает времени на всё это. Так, что прошу Вас вернуть их обратно, если для Вас это не принципиальный какой-то вопрос. AlexPin (talk) 09:19, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

Babkin

[1] Hello, nothing strange there, the P361 property from Wikidata is being used in a Musician infobox. Goo3 (talk) 12:49, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, it was half-right edit. Of course it is a part of the band. But being "a part of an album" is indeed strange. --Infovarius (talk) 12:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

clitoris (Q873072)

I was moving some of the statements to human clitoris (Q117460175) considering we already have other similar items Trade (talk) 14:52, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Ah, ok. I move back. --Infovarius (talk) 14:43, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Label/метка

Коллега, обращаюсь не сколько по отменённой вами правке, сколько ради принципа наименования меток, лучше обеспечивающего связи между викиданными и статьями в Русской ВП.
По моему опыту, целесообразно, когда первая из меток в точности соответствует названию статьи в русской ВП, в данном случае — «Тараканище (мультфильм, 1927)». Остальные: Тараканище, Тараканище (мультфильм), Тараканище (1927) и т. д. — могут быть размещены столбиком в колонке «Также известно как». Это прежде всего удобно для викификации, посколько искомое название можно сразу скопировать из «шапки», а не проматывать для этого в конец страницы, где оно отображено в ряду других языковых проектов ВП. Главное, это не притиворечит правилу нименования меток:

В большинстве случаев метка — это заголовок соответствующей статьи русской Википедии или вариант этого заголовка.

Понятие «лишнее» в названии меток не существует (на то и существует — альтернатива).
Подытоживая, хочу отметить, что для поиска внутри Викиданных не имеет значения какое из названий стоит первым, а какие помещены в колонку синонимов. Для удобства же работы с русской ВП первым полезно иметь соответствующее названию конкретной статьи.
Вроде ничего крамольного, хотел бы услышать ваши доводы-аргументы. - Gerarus (talk) 13:45, 11 April 2023 (UTC)

В русской справке много чего не хватает. Смотрите лучше Help:Label или Help:Label/General principles. В частности: "Disambiguation information belongs in the description" и "Метки могут быть неоднозначными". Это если о "правилах". А дух этого правила в том, что метки элементов предназначены для использования "внутри предложения" как название некоторой сущности и любые технические моменты (напр. уточнения) в этом смысле излишни. И при этом, название статьи в Википедии не может быть первичным, ибо (для Викиданных) Википедия не главнее, например, Викитеки или Викицитатника. А для поиска да, синонима достаточно. P.S. Разве в таблицах ВП где-то нужно именно с уточнениями? Отображаться всё равно ведь без него. --Infovarius (talk) 15:15, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

"looks intolerant"

?? Trade (talk) 20:32, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

@Trade: I have a long edit history... Can you be more specific? Infovarius (talk) 20:32, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

androgyny (Q207959)--Trade (talk) 21:53, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

"Androgynous Hotties" are you sure it's neutral? Looks like objectivisation. --Infovarius (talk) 19:56, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Did not found anything about that in Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. Trade (talk) 17:44, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Ремейки

Здравствуйте, в 2020 году вы создали Q100699786 в противовес Q31235. Но по-моему и там, и там содержание статей про одно и то же. --Sabunero (talk) 16:29, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Почему же? Например, есть ещё ремейк игры. --Infovarius (talk) 20:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Предупреждение

Добрый вечер, коллега. Я Вас уже некоторое время назад просил прекратить необоснованные отмены, но Вы почему-то продолжаете их делать. Вот эта Ваша очередная необоснованная ничем отмена правки да ещё и с использованием инструмента отката, является ярким примером Ваших совершенно непонятных и неконструктивных правок. Это переходит все границы, поэтому я Вас предупреждаю, что при повторном подобном откате правки, будет подан соответствующий запрос о снятии с Вас флага откатывающего. Судя по тому, как Вы им распоряжаетесь можно сказать, что Вам этот флаг не нужен и крайне противопоказан раз Вы его применяете совершенно не по назначению.

P.S. Ваша правка здесь некоректна, поскольку:

1. Вы вернули путём отката (!) instance of (P31) >> game (Q11410), что не правильно.
2. Там стоит ограничение, которое явно даёт понять, что следует использовать иной элемент для instance of (P31). Вы полностью проигнорировали это ограничение и предпочли, как всегда (чему я не удивлён), нажать на откат, даже не разобравшись в ситуации... Это совершенно недопустимо!

С уважением Kirilloparma (talk) 20:19, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kirilloparma:, прошу прощения, здесь моя правка действительно ошибочна. Причина, скорее всего, в том, что я увидел очевидно неправильный дифф и нажал на откат, не подумав, что это не правки одного участника (в коем случае откат не сработал). Ну errare humanum est, я признаю же. --Infovarius (talk) 21:05, 9 May 2023 (UTC)

Q7368 and Q58697

Hi, the change I made was a clumsy attempt to solve a redirect inversion problem: I was trying to leave the entry with binomial nomenclature as the main page. Since our administrators have been absent for some time, I was hoping to be able to resolve via wikidata. Do you have any suggestions for me? Thanks anyway for reverting to the previous version, the most important thing is to stay connected to the wikidata system! Ciaurlec (talk) 21:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

What do you want? To have links to both items? --Infovarius (talk) 19:33, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Explanation

Let me explain you:

1. There are over 1200 cities and towns in Iran, and virtually all of them have namesake districts, countries or provinces. Multiplying articles, categories and namesakes, there can be over 10,000 "different from" combinations. That's truly redundant.
2. Every single item of city, district, county and province already have such namesakes, like Qazvin being capital of Qazvin County and Qazvin Province, and also other way around.
3. There are thousands of similar examples, like New York City and New York (state), Moscow and Moscow Oblast, and nowhere "different from" is used.

That's the reason I removed it. --Orijentolog (talk) 18:33, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

Regarding metaclasses of chemical entities

In short: right now I'm trying to organise and fix classes and metaclasses of chemical entities, which was discussed in general in Wikiproject Chemistry. Metaclasses such as 'group of chemical compounds', 'group of ions', 'group of ...' proved to do more harm than good. Now the aim is to have type of chemical entity (Q113145171) as a metaclass of all structurally/isotopically defined chemical entities (chemical entity =/= chemical compound, i.e. chemical entity includes compounds, ions, radicals etc.) and and a few metaclasses for e.g. (a) structural classes of chemical entities, (b) groups of chemical entities, (c) groups of isomers.

Distinction between specific chemical entities on a metaclass level ('chemical compounds' vs 'ion' vs. ... or between 'stereoisomers' and 'enantiomers') would make it more difficult to find the proper set of items using e.g. sparql. This distinction (e.g. compound vs ion) would now be made using chemical classification (P279). It will be easier to keep this separation (compounds/ions/...) in one property than in two, especially since so far the separation has been quite inconsistently applied to items.

I would also ask you to write to me first before you revert any of my changes. I've made about 1.5M edits regarding the above topic recently (and I'm probably not even halfway there) and individual reverts of my edits are not advisable as they will probably go unnoticed. Wostr (talk) 21:02, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Неожиданная просьба

Преамбула: когда я в очередной раз вернулся к редактированию, то дал зарок на создавать здесь элементов — слишком много их насоздавали, но так получилось, что новые элементы-контейнеры нужны, чтобы "разгрузить" культуру Франции. Сможете помочь, создав: культура Новой Аквитании2, культура О-де-Франс, культура Овернь — Рона — Альпы, культура Окситании? Не путать с культурой Новой Аквитании (переделанной из культуры Аквитании (старой) и окситанская культура (межгосударственного региона). Ыфь77 (talk) 16:51, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Оставим в стороне вопрос, получится ли реально разделить принадлежность французских вещей к культуре разных регионов. Но почему 2 Новые Аквитании? Две культуры Окситании? В чём разница? --Infovarius (talk) 22:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

а) Старую Новую Аквитанию я верну в состояние до моих правок согласно французской интервике, к упразднённому фр. региону Аквитания (Q1179), а новая Новая Аквитания будет соответствовать действующему фр. региону (Q18678082). б) Есть Окситания — культурный и исторический регион (Q104285), он же — страна-Ок с языками ок, которому сейчас соответствует элемент окситанская культура, занимает территорию юга Франции, северо-запада Италии и кусочка Испании (см. карту в элементе) и есть действующий фр. регион (Q18678265), намного меньший исторического региона. Сами французы, чтобы не перепутать, последний называют именно регионом Окситанией. --Ыфь77 (talk) 08:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Разве от изменения администрации культура меняется? Вы сможете разделить культуру "старой Новой Аквитании" и "новой Новой Аквитании"? Мне кажется, вам лучше обсудить эти вещи на французском форуме. У меня нет уверенности в нужности новых элементов. --Infovarius (talk) 19:34, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Ещё как: Новая Аквитания на 2 старых региона Франции больше, следовательно, департаментов у неё больше и объектов культуры из них — тоже. Категории почему-то сделали для обоих вариантов, для Аквитаний: Q7814679 и Q27037587, для Окситаний: Q9653536 и Q9653118. --Ыфь77 (talk) 20:25, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Sitelink in Australopithecine / Австралопитецина

Добрый день! Почему вы сделали эту правку? Теперь в статье Australopithecine нет ссылки на русскую версию статьи. Ilovelisa (talk) 08:10, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

@Ilovelisa: привет. Зато в w:en:Hominina есть ссылка на w:ru:Хоминина. Кстати, ссылку между австралопитецинами тоже добавил. Вообще, запутанная ситуация, не пойму, в чём разница между этими двумя подтрибами... --Infovarius (talk) 19:40, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Спасибо, именно этого я хотел от wikidata добиться, но т.к. я здесь новичок, мне не удавалось сделать "intentional sitelink to redirect".

Что касается разницы, беглый поиск ничего не даёт, но, предварительно, по содержимому нескольких статей и ответу chat Bing можно предположить следующее:

"No, they are not synonyms. Australopithecina is a subtribe within the tribe Hominini, while Hominina refers to humans and is usually held to have emerged within the Australopithecina"

Ilovelisa (talk) 13:17, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

by club or team

• Q115166616→Category:Sports competitors by club or team
• Q7223251→Category:Sportspeople by club or team
• en:Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023 May 15#Category:Sports clubs

寒吉 (talk) 13:02, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

@寒吉: "club" and "team" are different terms and ruwiki uses this distinction. So "Q115166616→Category:Sports competitors by club" and "Q118970454→Category:Sports competitors by team". --Infovarius (talk) 20:53, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Wrong merger

Hello. It seems that this merger was wrong. Pre-merger jiang (Q6191490) was about a group of military ranks using Chinese word "jiang" (as can be seen in enwiki and frwiki pages, it's not only about ranks in PLA but also in Taiwan), meanwhile Shang Jiang (Q10872929) was about a certain rank of Shang-jiang (генерал-полковник НОАК) in PLA. So, I think Shang Jiang (Q10872929) (генерал-полковник НОАК) should be restored as it is not the same as jiang (Q6191490), but one of those (a "subclass of"?) "-jiang" ranks. 83.29.190.36 16:24, 5 June 2023 (UTC)

Ялта

Украина как страна указывалась дважды в Yalta (Q128499), соответственно, повторение было мное удалено. Валерий з (talk) 21:48, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

@Валерий з: это же было не зря! Типа страна=Украина до 2014 года безусловно, а после "оспаривается Россией". Как это по-другому указать? --Infovarius (talk) 21:12, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Квалификатор об оспариваемом статусе Россией был мною добавлен. Однако с точки зрения международного права и Украины, события 2014 года не повлияли на статус объектов Крыма, иначе получается, что это какой-то новый суверенитет.

Аннексия/присоединение Крыма обозначена самим появлением России в перечне стран и указанием года начала владения и управления. А взаимные претензии, в принципе, касаются суверенитета, а не изменений с какого-то конкретного года, потому что так можно и 90-е вспоминать. Валерий з (talk) 00:49, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

Нет, вы наверное не поняли. Сейчас утверждения показывают, как будто Россия оспаривает, что Ялта была украинской с 1991 года, что неправда. А разделение на 2 значения с разными квалификаторами ещё не означает (для всех точек зрения), что 2014 повлиял на все точки зрения. --Infovarius (talk) 08:37, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

Фурсенко

хочешь дополнить - дополняй. но Иванов - русская фамилия, не украинская, а Фурсенко - украинская, а не русская. А Іванов - украинская форма русской фамилии. Бучач-Львів (talk) 14:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

А почему у русских должна быть украинская фамилия? А Іван - украинская форма русского имени? Как всё запутанно. --Infovarius (talk) 20:53, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Спочатку був Київ, а потім - Москва, Петербург, не треба забувати. так, багато чого переплелося за час російської окупації України. Українці, наприклад, поїхали працювати, наприклад, у Сибір, а совіцьку владу в окупованій Українській Народній Республіці насаджували росіяни. PS. Иванов, Петров, Стоянов - це перш за все болгарські прізвища. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 13:21, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

щодо Іван. Наразі і Іван, і Иван - це чоловіче особове ім'я єврейського походження. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 13:23, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

жена Даниила Александровича

Здравствуйте. Имя Агриппина упоминается в Ростовском соборном синодике, опубликованном Коневым С. В. и в Православной энциклопедии в статье про Даниила Александровича, написанной Флорей Б. Н. и Чугреевой Н. Н. Имя Мария упоминается Хмыровым М. Д., а Горский А. А. предполагает, что жена Даниила Александровича является дочкой Льва Даниловича и Констанции Венгерской, Морозова Л. Е. предполагает, что она является дочкой Ярослава Романовича, Майкл Маклаган предполагает, что она является Василисой Дмитриевной, Кюнтцель В. В. предполагает, что она является родственницей Протасия Фёдоровичча, а Молчанов А. А. данное предположение считает совершенно необоснованным, а какой историк приводит предположение, что она является дочкой Глеба Васильковича? — Валерий-Val (talk) 18:44, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Я по указанному сайту только... А вы можете добавить всю указанную информацию в соответствующем виде (возможно, придётся создать элементы для книг)? --Infovarius (talk) 21:14, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Lover (in general), male and female lover

Hi Infovarius,

I thought it would be most correct to use male lover (Q16937917) for the male lover because before this change it was only used in the male meaning.

The English description has IMHO no priority over other languages.

Kind regards U. M. Owen (talk) 15:45, 26 June 2023 (UTC)

For me, male lover (Q16937917) is generally loving person (or male, we can choose), while paramour (Q12309880) is person commiting adulter (illegal sex, with married partner). --Infovarius (talk) 09:22, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Okay, paramour (Q12309880) had no negative connotation (Q661062) in my language. Are you sure that (since people ought to be married in earlier times) most languages make such a difference?--U. M. Owen (talk) 09:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Q3326454, Merging clusters of articles in different languages

First: Thanks for having a look at Q3326454 and reverting the changes I made! I have encountered problems while trying to merge Q3326454 with Q264251. Both clusters of languages deal with the same topic (anatomical terms of motion) and I am neither able to add languge links in the old vector legacy (2010) skin (probably due to the fact, that both object are already clusters of more than one language) nor edit language links in the new Vector (2022) skin. Merging the articles with the MergeItems tool and the MergeLexemes tool resultet only in error messages. What am I doing wrong and how to solve this problem in the future? (I have already encountered this problem very often, so I hope that I will be able to contribute better to wikipedia in the future if someone explained me how address that issue ;) ) Thanks in advance! Mikulicz 11:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Hello, the problem in Japanese Wikipedia: there are 2 articles ja:動作 and ja:解剖学における運動の表現. At first you should merge them, then items. Secondly, we have the link (in qualifier) in Q264251 to Q3326454 showing that these are intentionally 2 different items (one is list, the other is class). --Infovarius (talk) 09:28, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Thank you answering! But I didn't really understand Your suggestion, probably cause I am quite new to the wikidata-project. So what do I need to do, that e.g. the articles https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomical_terms_of_motion and https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bewegung_(Anatomie) have direct links to each other in the languages-field in wikipedia? Mikulicz (talk) 10:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

Q12397773

В чём смысл разрушать интервики? Из статьи w:en:Irina отчётливо видно, статья о русском имени:

«Irina (Cyrillic: Ирина) … commonly borne by followers of the Eastern Orthodox Church … mostly used in countries within the Commonwealth of Independent States … Pronunciation Russian: [ɪˈrʲinə] … Diminutive forms in Slavic languages include Ira, Irinka, Irinushka …»

Почему ты разрушаешь интервики и ликвидировал связь между этой статьёй и w:ru:Ирина? Очевиднее некуда, это эти статьи об одном и том же предмете и между ними обязательно должен быть интервики-переход. ~ Starship Trooper ~ 17:13, 6 July 2023 (UTC)

С именами всё сложно - обсуждайте лучше на Wikidata:WikiProject Names. Даже "кириллическая" Ирина теперь может быть не одна - могу создать отдельно украинское имя и тогда куда объединять en:Irina? Пока статус-кво в этой области Викиданных, что имена с разным написанием (в т.ч. в разных письменностях) д.б. в разных элементах. С интервиками действительно плоховато, в крайнем случае можно соединить с помощью перенаправлений, но и там на самом деле будут проблемы, если подумать. --Infovarius (talk) 19:51, 7 July 2023 (UTC)

Германия

Коллега, вас там пинговали, но вы не пришли, поэтому напишу тут, поскольку вопрос по ВД. Речь об этой правке - и о том, что при действующем положении вещей в статье ru:Хенниг, Клаус (вряд ли только в ней) у товарища в карточке в географической цепочке три раза подряд указана "Германия", причем разная: Нацистская Германия => Германский Рейх => Германия. Как представляется нам всем, так это работать не должно, потому что Нацистская Германия относится к Германскому Рейху, а тот к Германии не как часть (территориальная) к целому, а как этап (хронологический) к более длительному периоду. Возможно, коллега, чью правку вы отменили, решил эту проблему неверным путем - но тогда хотелось бы, чтобы вы посоветовали верный. Андрей Романенко (talk) 23:27, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Надо определиться, что это всё-таки - гос-во или период? Если период, то так и указывать свойствами. Кстати, Третий Рейх ещё можно воспринимать как вообще просто термин. --Infovarius (talk) 04:19, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Вы меня извините, но я не до конца понимаю ваш ответ. В карточке в ру.вики (или любой другой) не должно быть периодов - только иерархия административно-территориальных единиц. Поэтому в статье ru:Хенниг, Клаус в карточке после "Свободное государство Пруссия" должно идти "Германия" один раз. Это та данность, от которой надо плясать, как я это понимаю. Поскольку сейчас это не так - значит, тут, на Викиданных, что-то сделано неправильно. Я не очень улавливаю, что именно, - то, что вы откатили, или что-либо иное. И предполагаю, что, возможно, вы в этом разбираетесь лучше меня, поэтому спрашиваю. Андрей Романенко (talk) 21:32, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Сейчас вроде только одна отображается. Вероятно, после того, как я расставил ранги на сущность элемента Q7318. --Infovarius (talk) 15:41, 28 July 2023 (UTC)

Контейнер для искусств по этнической группе

Доброго времени суток. Нужна консультация по ситуации с элементами метакласса искусство по этнической группе (Q120400477). На время подписи у него около 50 непосредственных включений (например, еврейское искусство (Q12404052)), являющихся именно классами ВД, так как могут включать не только одноимённые статьи, но и как отдельные элементы-предметы (произведения искусства), так и другие элементы-классы (музыка конкретного этноса, живопись этноса и т. д.). При выстраивании цепочки надклассов обрыв происходит именно на них: они не обозначены подклассами из-за того, что на естественный надкласс, искусство (Q735), наложен запрет иметь подклассы. Есть вариант решения проблемы: создать элемент-контейнер высшего уровня, который добавить в исключения, а непосредственные включения сделать его подклассами. В принципе, один такой элемент уже есть -- искусство Земли (Q13150034) -- но категорически не хотелось бы в одном элементе иметь подклассами территории и народы -- это разные сущности (хотя в английском языке зачастую смешиваются). Хочу узнать Ваше мнение по 3 вопросам: делать / не делать, как назвать, делать самостоятельным исключением или подклассом к выше указанному? Ыфь77 (talk) 11:49, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Как я понял, другого ответа (кроме ошибочной попытки) не будет? Ыфь77 (talk) 15:57, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Я не могу предложить идеального решения, вы, похоже, уже глубже в теме, чем я. Мои мысли: 1) пока можно и смешать территории и народы, ничего страшного в этом не вижу; 2) почему не сделать art by ethnic group (Q120400477) надклассом, а не метаклассом? Может, тогда проще иерархию выстроить? 3) соответственно, промежуточный уровень, подкласс art (Q735), можно создать, но как именно класс, не метакласс. --Infovarius (talk) 22:27, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

1) Я вижу: мало того, что это разные сущности, так ещё увеличит путаницу, особенно у англоязычных пользователей, которые на уровне языка не различают этнос и гражданство. Пример: для участников рувики слово "французский" -- прежде всего маркер языка и национальности, а маркером государства является что-то-там во Франции, в то время как англофоны прямо в описании элемента пишут, что "французский" = это объект, принадлежащий и национальности, и территории. Если обе сущности (и этническая, и территориальная) будут ещё и подклассами одного элемента, то англофоны вообще не поймут, в чём разница между французской сущностью и сущностью во Франции, и зачем их вообще делить. Надеюсь, Вам не надо на диаграммах объяснять, что это разные множества. 2) Потому что искусство по этнической группе (Q120400477) -- именно метакласс, подкласс-потомок элемента аспект по этнической группе (Q106727146), этакая надстройка над искусством, позволяющая описать одним термином фактические части искусства, выделенные по этническому признаку. Аналогично надеюсь, что разницу между, например, армянской и азербайджанской живописью Вы знаете (или догадываетесь, что она есть). 3) Таки промежуточный уровень и должен быть именно классом, частным случаем Q120400477, который охватывает всё разнообразие этносов Земли от сего момента до времён праматери Евы и её соплеменниц (и соплеменников). Так как учёные-антропологи уверены, что человечество принадлежит к одному виду, а следовательно, развилось из одной популяции, то и искусство всех народов Земли -- именно частный случай Q120400477, потому что развился из одного праискусства. И даже то, что в геноме неафриканцев отметились неандертальцы и денисовцы, можно объяснить внесением элементов ино(под)видового искусства в африканский субстрат. Сравните: искусство Земли (Q13150034) -- частный случай искусства территории, в котором территория равна всей поверхности Земли, и, замечу, этот элемент уже не равен мировому искусству, так как есть кинематограф (даже игровой), созданный на Луны, на МКС, да и на утопленных космических станциях (если мне не изменяет память) кто-то картины писал. --Ыфь77 (talk) 19:57, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Ок, видите - делайте. Самое сложное (и важное) - собрать в первом приближении по нужным классам, а потом подправить иерархию проще будет. --Infovarius (talk) 20:07, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

А на второй и третий вопросы ответить? (И просьба создать 2 пустых элемента (для культуры и искусства), так как у меня добровольный топик-бан на это действие). Ыфь77 (talk) 21:31, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Не возражаю, но пока так глубоко вникнуть не могу. Распишите немножко схему, и чего не хватает? --Infovarius (talk) 20:30, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

1) Собственно элементов, являющихся частными случаями метаклассов искусство по этнической группе (Q120400477) и культура по этнической группе (Q120870093). 2) Названий элементов на русском языке (у меня есть вариант, но не буду его озвучивать, чтобы не повлиять на Ваше независимое мнение). 3) Наличие связи с элементами искусство Земли (Q13150034) и культура Земли (Q13152690) -- созданные в п. 1 элементы должны быть подклассами этих или не должны? Вроде бы разные сущности, но в тоже время человеческие этносы вне планеты Земля науке не известны. Ыфь77 (talk) 20:45, 11 August 2023 (UTC)

Видно, что эта тема не вызвала у Вас интереса. Что ж, пусть ждёт кто-то-тама, она и сферу моего непосредственного интереса не входит. Ыфь77 (talk) 12:20, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

men's pole vault world record (Q1136293)

Thank you for the revert of my action. I am not familiar with descriptions yet and I didn't understand the description tells about the label and not about the real content of the wikipedia page linked to the label. Wikisquack (talk) 15:13, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

@Wikisquack: hello! Actually your description is not so bad and even can be a little better, but usually the more standard is used. --Infovarius (talk) 21:59, 28 August 2023 (UTC)

Brazzaville

On the wikidata Q3844, there is an alert on the statement "instance of" with the value "capital city" = (copy-paste of the message) "the value for instance of should not be one of the following: * county seat * state or insular area capital of the United States * state capital in Germany * provincial or territorial capital city in Canada * capital city"

So why did you revert my changes ? Yunan973 (talk) 18:49, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

@Yunan973: Well, probably you are right. I like this value but perhaps it's irrational... --Infovarius (talk) 19:53, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

According to this: Property:P31#P31$02b84af6-4850-050b-2631-3ac7ea48ca02, we should no longer use the property "instance of" with the value "capital city" but the property "capital of".

But according to this, there are many "errors" of this kind so one more or less = I will not cancel your revert. Best regards. Yunan973 (talk) 16:06, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

2011 Nobel Peace Prize (Q4622018)

Hi Infovarius! I removed the property part of the series (P179): Nobel Peace Prize (Q35637), as the item already had instance of (P31): Nobel Peace Prize (Q35637), and Nobel Peace Prize (Q35637) doesn’t seem to match the value-type constraint of part of the series (P179).

I’m very new to the Wikidata project, so I’d be keen to hear why you reverted my edit, so that I can hopefully avoid making similar mistakes in the future.

All the best :) A smart kitten (talk) 09:33, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello, @A smart kitten: these are 2 alternatives and yes, it's strange to have both. I agree here with you, and change a few from P179 to P31. --Infovarius (talk) 19:51, 1 September 2023 (UTC)

w:fi:Tutkielma

Hi Infovarius,

Google Translate translates this as dissertation, but it may also mean Abhandlung. I am however OK with its current position.--U. M. Owen (talk) 20:06, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Honestly I don't quite understand mémoire (Q114375) - all labels in not my native languages just mislead me... --Infovarius (talk) 19:44, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Your last revert

Thanks for reverting me, it was a mistake while reorganizing the items about the Festival da Canção (Q1408581) here on Wikidata. Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 11:00, 2 October 2023 (UTC)

Revert at extraterrestrial vortex (Q5422262)

While of course extraterrestrial vortex (Q5422262) is a natural phenomenon (Q1322005), it is already a subclass of it through the cyclone (Q79602) tree. — Huntster (t @ c) 04:13, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Your current reverts on kanas are the wrong way

You are doing the disunification the wrong way. I made almost all the work needed to separate Hiragana and Katakana (but merge entries for individual characters that are also Unicode characters), you've started restoring the mess. I made all the necessary items for the generic kana, but the wikilinks to Wikipedia are almost all merging both kana forms (+ hentaigana), with only 1 exception in malagasy (articles created by a bot on separate Unicode characters, but without textual contents). If you add entries for generic kanas (independant of the script form), don't add images or stroke orders to them! I've passed a lot of time to check everything. All was correct. In general we currently don't need any wikilinks in Wikidata of generic kanas because they are all named by their hiragana but the content is about all forms. Verdy p (talk) 18:41, 22 October 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Verdy p. What is incorrect in this version? From my point of view you've made a mess by merging kana symbol with (only) hiragana symbol, this is asymmetry and contradicts articles content. As you see, sitelinks in ha (Q40694) doesn't refer purely to hiragana, so why did you merge it? I kindly ask you to revise all the changes you've made to kana items and to separate them from Hiraganas.

I agree that image and stroke order should not be at kana items.

Also I see the problem in your merge of Hiragana symbols with Unicode Hiragana symbols. Usually in Wikidata we have separate items for Unicode symbols. This is at least because some (real) characters can have several Unicode representations. So I'd recommend to unmerge them too, but I won't insist here. --Infovarius (talk) 20:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

No, characters that have their own unicode representation are the same topic, no need to duplicate them. Also I have NOT merged symbols and characters. As well I have not merged items for characters that are only encoded as Unicode sequences. Now if a single character can be encoded in different ways in Unicode but that are canonically equivalent, this is also the same item (the canonical equivalence is sufficient). Separate items my be created for variation sequences or other non-encoded variants not represented in Unicode (still not, or that will never be encoded as since characters). We should not need multiple items for sequences that are canonically equivalent (the canonical decompositions should be properties of the character item, not separate items). Separate items are however needed for characters or sequences that are not canonically equivalent (including "compatiblity decompositions").

What I merged gives sense: you unmerged that to make non-existing/non-sense distinctions, not even in the list if wikilinks to wikipedia articles (that are almost all merging the contents describing multiple different characters, with extra redirects to link them all): the title chosen on each Wikipedia may be written in Hiragana, or trasliterated, but this this the same link; and there's no sdense in splitting the list of wikilinks, based on their apparent "title". Wikpedia articles don't necessarily have to have exactly the same title for the same topic on all languages. Verdy p (talk) 21:26, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Verdy p: do you at least agree that we can have 3 items: for Hiragana variant, Katakana variant and "combined" kana item? --Infovarius (talk) 21:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

@Infovarius: Yes I agree with that, and that's exactly what I did in Wikidata items and in linked Commons categories. I made no confusion at all in Wikidata: Hiragana items are separated from Katakana items and other Hentaigana items (and also separate from items for halfwidth katakana characters and other symbols like circled characters, ligatures, squared multiple katakana, that are are encoded separately in Unicode, but generally don't have any Wikipedia article on their own); each Unicode-encoded character (Hiragana, Katakana, Hentaigana, halfwidth, enclosed symbols, squared multikana) should have only one item, and maybe additional items for unencoded characters, plus items for encoded sequences (e.g. some kanas for Ainu with dakuten/handkuten which are not encoded as single characters).

Your attempts to break the list of wikilinks to Wikipediaon Wikidata is still made the wrong way as all those articles (except the small stub in mg.WP for Unicode characters only that do not merge Hiragana and Katakana) are generic articles for all kana forms. These lists of wikilinks should not be splitted. But for now theses Wikipedia wikilinks are attached to the Hiragana entry on Wikidata (independantly of how these articles are named/merged/redirected on these Wikipedia for all kana variants encoded in Unicode they are presenting, plus the additional kana characters that are not single Unicode characters but encoded as sequences or still not encoded).

There's no data for now anywhere in Wikidata for generic kanas (which should not have any attached image, or a just a generic image showing multiple variants). If you want them in order to move the list of wikilinks, these Wikidata items have to be created. The Wikidata items are all for individual kanas even if wikilinks to Wikipedia are going to generic articles. We don't need duplicate items for individual specific kanas and individual Unicode characters when they are exactly the same (but not all individual kanas are Unicode characters, for that case we need two items). Verdy p (talk) 08:50, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

Ok, I've moved sitelinks together. And I believe that ha (Q40694) is an item for generic kana, why do you say the opposite? --Infovarius (talk) 21:28, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

FC Barcelona (Q7156)

I removed the statements due to template limitations in article the w:ca:Futbol Club Barcelona. Infobox in article has become too heavy. That's why the templates are shown as links. See w:ca:Futbol Club Barcelona#Enllaços externs Masoud.h1368 (talk) 12:17, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

@Masoud.h1368: you should not remove info if "some template is too heavy"! It's a problem of this template, you should fix it. --Infovarius (talk) 20:01, 23 October 2023 (UTC)

P694

Прошу помощи со свойством replaced synonym (for nom. nov.) (P694): какой таксон должен быть указан в этом свойстве? Валидный или заменённый? Если первое, то почему в свойстве указано ограничение Единственное значение? -- VladXe (talk) 07:08, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

К сожалению, я не разбираюсь в этом так подробно. Лучше спросить в Проекте:Таксономия. --Infovarius (talk) 21:22, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

Violent non-state actors

Hi. I appreciate you taking interest in editing that entry. I am interested why you removed the claim that they can be a facet of militia organizations. Could you please explain? Love, BunsBuggy (talk) 23:59, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

@BunsBuggy: Hello. It is so partly facet that the claim makes not sense for me. Isn't it better to have

⟨ militia (Q153936)    ⟩ subclass of (P279) ⟨ armed non-state actor (Q7933191)    ⟩

? --Infovarius (talk) 20:16, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

It could go this way as well, if this makes more sense to you, but not all militias are non-state actors. Some of them are founded by official government institutions. I appreciate your response. BunsBuggy (talk) 07:59, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

FC Barcelona (Q7156)

I removed the statements because I think are wrong. Masoud.h1368 (talk) 19:10, 9 November 2023 (UTC)

@Masoud.h1368: Why has subsidiary (P355) are wrong? Infovarius (talk) 20:59, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

i think they are related to FC Barcelona (Q3091261) or they should be entered in has part(s) (P527). Masoud.h1368 (talk) 00:14, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, it goes. Infovarius (talk) 18:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you complete Q7156#P793?

Sorry, I have no competence in this. --Infovarius (talk) 18:21, 12 November 2023 (UTC)

Русский язык ≠ Язык математики

Привет! А зачем ты вернул обратно видео про язык математики в "Русский язык"? Оно же там совсем не по теме, иллюстрирует совсем не то. Имхо, лучше его поставить, например, в Q3217196--Ctac (talk) 09:14, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Привет, Стас. Тут для меня важно не содержание, а форма - то, что это видео на русском языке. Надо каким-то видео проиллюстрировать язык, не важно каким. Я уже пробовал выступление Медведева вставить, тоже откатили. Я подумал, что это из-за политизированности, поэтому поставил максимально удалённое от политики. Наверное, идеальным было бы какое-то культурное выступление на конференции анфас, но такого свободного видео не нашёл. --Infovarius (talk) 11:08, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

D:Q2944445

Hello, FYI. You reversed an edit I made. The result is that I had to remove the Dutch interwiki's into another element. Originally this element was created for the Dutch interwiki "Bloem" which is 'All-purpose flower'. However the English labels of the element changed in 2021 and now the element is for something else. Ldhank (talk) 08:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

@Ldhank: Sorry I don't understand the difference between nl:Bloem (keuken) and en:Flour. --Infovarius (talk) 20:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

Russian occupation of Crimea

I changed Russian occupation of Crimea (Q15859754) because the 21st century was showing up as 2100 in some comparisons I was doing. I think it better to just have start_time and an unknown value for end_time, and omit point_in_time. And of course a century isn't really a point in time, like a day, or at a pinch a year, is Vicarage (talk) 15:04, 21 December 2023 (UTC)

Drug is a subclass of chemical

Hello @Infovarius, I removed the statement "drug (Q8386) subclass of (P279) chemical substance (Q79529)" not because it's not useful, but because it's already implicit in the other statement. The subclass of (P279) is in fact a transitive property.

drug (Q8386) subclass of (P279) xenobiotic (Q409205) and xenobiotic (Q409205) subclass of (P279) chemical substance (Q79529)

For this reason, it's an ontology redundancy, which is not an issue, but simplicity is better than complexity.

If you inspect the ontology of drug (Q8386) you can visualize the situation: the ontology in Graph Builder.

Anyway thanks for your patience and have a nice day :-) Luca.favorido (talk) 04:51, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

@Luca.favorido: yeah, sorry, you are right. The ontology gadget seems not working so I was mistaken. --Infovarius (talk) 12:05, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Food product is a subclass of food

Hello @Infovarius, for the same reason stated above, I removed the too generic food (Q2095) from food product (Q951964). human food (Q8195619) already contains the superclass of food (Q2095). You may refer to the Ontology issues page. Thanks. Luca.favorido (talk) 04:19, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Odesa oblast and Ukraine

Hi. Modern Ukraine is not an administrative district, but an independent state. For the modernity of the Odesa region, it is correct to use only Property:P17. -- Maksim L. (talk) 10:53, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Hi, @Maksim L.: yeah, probably it is true. But I stronlgy believe that states (despite not being "administrative") can play a role of root "administrative unit" which is very useful for all queries. --Infovarius (talk) 12:07, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

Shantar Islands

Hello. The Korean description of Shantar Islands is already within the contents of the document. So it doesn't have to be there from the description. It doesn't have to be that specific. So there's no need to reverse it. I don't know English, and I'm using a translator. Therefore, a machine translator may exist. Mamiamauwy (talk) 15:10, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

I am ok with short description. --Infovarius (talk) 18:01, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Voldemort Wikidata Czech aliases

Hello. How is Czech aliases of Voldemort in Wikidata, I later found out that "Pán zla" (literally "Lord of Evil") is in Czech translations of Harry Potter is used for translation of "Dark Lord" than "Temný pán", which is not so used. I rather put both there. Alík2002 (talk) 08:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Q326073

Здравствуйте, коллега! Подскажите, пожалуйста, почему вы откатили мои правки с пометкой «излишне и немного неправильно». Разве в месте рождения и смерти не нужно государство и административно-территориальная единица? — KirillQQ (talk) 05:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

@KirillQQ: В идеале не нужно, потому что это вычисляется из соответствующей наиболее точной АТЕ. Например, в Ivanovo (Q2630) среди значений свойства P:P131 на соответствующую дату (1938 год) видим значение Ivanovo Oblast (Q2654), а Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic (Q2184) тем более не нужно, оно уже дальше по цепочке находится в Ivanovo Oblast (Q2654). В то же время для места смерти Moscow Oblast (Q1697) почти неправильно, т.к. не является следующим уровнем. Следующий уровень мы опять-таки находим в Shchyolkovo (Q198369) - Shchyolkovsky District (Q4145619). P.S. В данном случае всё вычисляется, в других может не хватить каких-то данных, тогда квалификаторы будут конечно добавлять информацию, но лучше её внести в соответствующие АТЕ. --Infovarius (talk) 18:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

Спасибо большое! — KirillQQ (talk) 08:33, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

Duration of "The Pianist"

Hello, you reverted my edit of the duration of Roman Polanski's "The Pianist" (Q150804) from 143 minutes back to 148.7 minutes with the comment "look at the source". I previously did that already, but only looked at the stats in the left sidebar on the page (https://www.bbfc.co.uk/release/the-pianist-q29sbgvjdglvbjpwwc0zmzq1nta) and did not click on any of the headings on the right. Anyway, I now know that the theatrical version was indeed 148.7 minutes long. However, I would like to argue to change this to 149 minutes. A fractional running time for a film is highly unusual on WikiData. I've requested the running times for a couple hundred films from WikiData for a data science project and only "The Pianist" has a non-integer running time. So how do you feel about changing the running time from 148.7 minutes to 149 minutes? -- Zamomin (talk) 09:20, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Why would it be unusual? For shorts like Mike's New Car (Q1072759), a fraction of a minute is a significant fraction of the running time. For data science purposes, you can always round as needed.--Jasper Deng (talk) 11:35, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I did end up rounding the entries. To your point: It's definitively unusual for feature-length films in a statistical sense of the word. I have data for a bit over 300 films in my data science project and only "The Pianist" has a floating point number as its duration, all others are integers. I think standardizing its running time to an integer would improve the data quality. However, I'm a newbie here on WikiData and since you think it's not a problem, I won't harp on it any longer.--Zamomin (talk) 12:40, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for understanding. I see no harm in having more exact time. As Jasper said, one can always round it. --Infovarius (talk) 20:53, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Bashkortostan coordinates

My coordinates pointed at the Дом правительства building containing, among other things, the Constitutional Court of the Republic of Bashkortostan (Q4231503), and are at 54.716667 N, 55.941667 E in decimal format. The coordinates you changed them to point to remote area (Q106690126) and are at 54.466667 N, 56.266667 E in decimal format. So as far as rounding they are the same, but in terms of pointing at something 54°43′ N, 55°56.5 E are better. Abductive (talk) 07:17, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

@Abductive: hello. My main point was in reducing accuracy. Also I have rounded in terms of degree-minute-seconds. There's not much sense in choosing some particular building for such a big region. I would use some geometrical center but it is really hard to calculate. --Infovarius (talk) 19:23, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

That building is the headquarters of the government of the region. Abductive (talk) 19:25, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

abandoned fandom wikis

regarding this edit: the community of this wiki moved to to a different domain. The fandom wiki can still be viewed and edited but at the time it seemed it didn't receive any more updates and was subject to spam. Thats why I set all these fandom ids to deprecated. If you don't agree, or the community is comming alive again, we can still undo this. Shisma (talk) 09:21, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

"It can still be viewed and edited". And it is in Fandom. It is sufficient to have normal rank as a value, I suppose. --Infovarius (talk) 19:36, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

country of origin vs country

I'm working on the principle that product models like Yakovlev Pchela (Q1051720) have country of origin (P495), not country (P17). Only individual instances of an aircraft, like one in a particular museum, should have a country, the contemporary country now. Vicarage (talk) 09:54, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

It makes sense. --Infovarius (talk) 19:41, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

Question

Hello, i know its on another platform but seeing your high profile i was wondering if you would be able to help with a error on a wikipedia page Greenfrog23 (talk) 09:57, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

@Greenfrog23: What's question? --Infovarius (talk) 19:39, 2 March 2024 (UTC)

multi-sport event

Hello Infovarius, you have reverted my edit at "multi-sport event" (Q167170), so now please fix also "2024 Summer Olympics" (Q995653), because I previously added "sport" statement with "multi-sport event" value there. And after your revert, that statement has issues - value-type constraint. (I was trying to fix it so that's why I edited the "multi-sport event".) Maiō T. (talk) 22:15, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

@Maiō T.: hello. Interesting issue, I don't have a solution right now. I notice that other Olympic games do not have sport (P641), may be on purpose, but probably we can find some value like Q167170 (but probably different). May be better to discuss wider. --Infovarius (talk) 22:20, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Q4425371

Добрый день

Мог бы ты не добавлять в Q4425371 значения параметров inception, mass, length? Дело в том, что под обозначением "Снайперские винтовки Калашникова" известны 2 винтовки, значительно отличающиеся по характеристрикам. В Q4425371 сейчас добавлено изображение второго образца, но указанные характеристики относятся не к нему. Год разработки второго образца и вовсе неизвестен.

См. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Снайперские_винтовки_Калашникова Msgevans00 (talk) 10:35, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

@Msgevans00: Спасибо, понял, про массу и длину тогда неверно. Дату создания может можно добавить, как общую? А массу и длину я добавлял их карточки на рувики, получается, надо поправить карточку? --Infovarius (talk) 21:24, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Я бы не стал добавлять дату, как общую: год разработки второго образца неизвестен.

По массе и длине — нюанс в том, что сейчас в Q4425371 указаны масса и длина первого образца (Калашникова), но изображение в нём — второго образца (Пушина и Крякушина). Такое вот несоответствие. Поэтому и предложил не добавлять вообще Msgevans00 (talk) 18:58, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Каркассон

Почему вы отменили правку? https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q17262&oldid=2100252030 в игре Каркассон нет как такового специального поля, на котором происходит игра - тайлы выкладываются на любой поверхности CupIvan (talk) 20:53, 12 March 2024 (UTC)

Reversion

Hi. Using this as a reliable reference is like writing Russian history through Ukrainian nationalist authors... CFA1877 (talk) 13:28, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

@CFA1877: Ok, may be a source is bad. But there's a country (read: national entity with historical background) "Catalonia", I wonder which item is the best for it? --Infovarius (talk) 19:14, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I know the meanings of the term "country", but it can be problematic and conflictive if an actor uses it in an exclusive way (which was the case). By that way, if we open the door of wikidata to sectarian actors, at this rate Kalmykia or Taristan will end up becoming occupied territories whose relationship with Russia is anecdotal. You ask me about items to use. Q10742, that is already present and it's official. And Q2736168, which is present too and it's the official term (didn't you say "national entity with historical background"?). Nothing more, just these two terms. Something similar to Q5187, which only includes the official term and not others such as region, autonomous republic, occupied territory, ancient oblast, etc. To me it's quite clear that the claims of the Chechen separatists have no basis to modify the wikidata page and include their position. CFA1877 (talk) 20:07, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

historical nationality (Q2736168) is probably a good replacement for "country", let me think. As for Chechnya, we have also Chechen Republic of Ichkeria (Q210036) and Ichkeria (Q2577465). In Tatarstan (Q5481) we have additional "non-recognized state" class. --Infovarius (talk) 21:20, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Régions françaises

Bonjour User:Infovarius, merci pour votre message. Je pense qu'il faut nous libérer du présentéisme : tous les items décrits comme Q36784 sont des régions françaises. Certaines sont existantes en droit positif, d'autres ne le sont plus, un jour certainement plus aucune ne le sera, mais ça ne signifie pas que le concept est obsolète. En ce moment j'améliore les éléments sur les divisions administratives françaises pour ne pas se limiter à la situation présente mais pouvoir aussi décrire la situation à d'autres moments dans le temps. J'espère que vous y trouvez ce que vous cherchez, sinon on peut regarder cela plus précisément. Arpyia (talk) 19:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@Arpyla: D'accord, je veux la même chose. Bon, comment peut-je obtenir le liste de "anciennes régions françaises"? Infovarius (talk) 19:19, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

President not always of a federation

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q30461&diff=prev&oldid=2133547782 Sergej Andropov (talk) 13:14, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

President of a specific entity not a class

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q218295&diff=prev&oldid=2133557136 Sergej Andropov (talk) 13:28, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

I replied. Can you also add Fast id https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Q218295&diff=prev&oldid=2133567143 ? Sergej Andropov (talk) 10:34, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

how to model books in WD

please check it out: Wikidata:WikiProject Books ايمو کي ڀڄايو (talk) 21:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Q15932790

Why should Q15932790 be separated from Q643669? Its related wiki articles are all translated from en:Generator (mathematics). Its unique name is zh:生成集合, but the Chinese wiki article has been moved(renamed) to zh:生成元 (数学), corresponding to en:Generator (Mathematics) and Q643669. --Mbjpxncp7k (talk) 05:54, 3 May 2024 (UTC)

The problem is that in Wikidata we don't link "articles" and "disambiguation pages" (pages with several topics in it) together. There is a formal sign of "disambig" - presence of some disambig template (here we see zh:Template:mathdab) which adds magical Mediawiki word "DISAMBIG". This separation is sometimes arbitrary but quite strict. So if you want to link en and zh pages, you need either add some disambig template to en, or remove disambig template from zh (and better to expand the article). --Infovarius (talk) 10:04, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for explaination. I think those pages such as en:Generator (Mathematics) might be better to be tagged as a disambig page. However I was unable to edit them, as I was banned (due to my IP range), except Chinese Wiki (due to IP block exemption).--Mbjpxncp7k (talk) 10:27, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

My merging on wikidata was motivated by linking these pages in different languages together. It seems that I have to manually add links on the body of page.--Mbjpxncp7k (talk) 10:29, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, manual interwikis are the possibility for linking. Infovarius (talk) 21:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

Adpositional senses

@Infovarius,@TomT0m,@ZI Jonyː While I do appreciate your corrective edits to my [2] subpage, I don't intend to continue maintaining it as an ever-growing collection of all the gripes I have with linguistic information in Wikidata,but I'd like to move my proposals to appropriate project or discussion pages elsewhere, which is why I started that recent thread on the Lexicographic data Discussion tab. Maybe I should use a Talk page associated with the Documentation tab (i.e. closer to the problem) instead? SM5POR (talk) 09:38, 9 May 2024 (UTC)

Guided missile cruiser

Hi Infovarius. Regarding Q1361980, "Rocket cruiser" is an incorrect name, and wikidata should probably point to Guided-missile cruiser, but an error pops up when I try to do so, stating:

The link enwiki:Cruiser is already used by Item Q104843. You may remove it from Q104843 if it does not belong there or merge the Items if they are about the exact same topic. If the situation is more complex, please see Help:Sitelinks.

The help page linked to wasn't really helpful in trying to fix the problem. Do you know how to fix this? Best, voorts (talk/contributions) 21:45, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi. Adding redirect directly requires one more action - adding badge "intentional redirect". I've reconnect as you said. --Infovarius (talk) 21:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

legal form

Hey Infovarius, regarding your revert at Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung (Q460178). I think it is better so keep the values of instance of (P31) for legal forms at the highest possible level. In that case, this would just be legal form (Q10541491). It is clear, that it's a type of legal entity in Germany (Q19335303) from its applies to jurisdiction (P1001) value (Help:Basic_membership_properties). We have the same discussion with values like type of business entity (Q1269299), in the end, we would have to create instance of (P31) values like "legal form for business entities in germany" or "legal form for anonymous societies in tunesia". In the same way, Angela Merkel (Q567) has as P31 only human (Q5) and not politician (Q82955). Best Newt713 (talk) 18:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

ישוע

Здравствуйте, уважаемый коллега, вы вернули имя ישוע. Скажите, пожалуйста, где можно увидеть источник, согласно которому: имя Ἰησοῦς Χριστός было записано именно на арамейском, и именно как ישוע, а не иначе на арамейском или не на древнееврейском как יהושוע‎ или ещё как-либо?--Wlbw68 (talk) 20:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Справедливо. Запросил источник в ru:Пентаграмматон. --Infovarius (talk) 21:50, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

Спасибо за понимание. Wlbw68 (talk) 15:00, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

Lord's Supper / participle revert

Hello, maybe there's something I'm missing about how Wikidata works, but why is it necessary to state that participle (Q814722), a grammatical concept, is different from Lord's Supper (Q66086), a religious rite? Jberkel (talk) 22:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

I added this because they are denoted by the same rare word in Russian. --Infovarius (talk) 21:10, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Ah, ok, it makes more sense with the qualifier now. Jberkel (talk) 14:50, 25 July 2024 (UTC)

Шаблон:Внешние ссылки

Hi Infovarius: I would like to suggest that you update the links to Brill (Q917031) encyclopedias in the Russian authority template Шаблон:Внешние ссылки because these encyclopedias changed their links a few months ago, and Russian Wikipedia articles no longer successfully open links at their source from this Authority template.

These are my suggestions for updating the template script:

1. Encyclopaedia of Islam (first edition) ID (P9878): https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EI1O/$1.xml
2. Encyclopaedia of Islam (second edition) ID (P9862): https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EIEO/$1.xml
3. Encyclopaedia of Islam (third edition) ID (P9879): https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EI3O/$1.xml
4. Encyclopaedia Islamica ID (P11926): https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/ISLO/$1.xml
5. Encyclopaedia of the Qur'ān ID (P12575): https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/EQO/$1.xml
6. Dictionary of Qur'anic Usage ID (P12633): https://referenceworks.brill.com/display/entries/DQUO/$1.xml

As you can see below, revoked and obsolete links are still present in the template.

1. https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-1/*-$1
2. https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-2/*-$1
3. https://referenceworks.brillonline.com/entries/encyclopaedia-of-islam-3/*-$1

Kind regards. Soufiyouns (talk) 07:49, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

de-nominalist church

Hi, could you please add some description to this item? I guess you understand the linked WP articles better than I do with Google Translate. I'd like to understand how it differs from religious denomination (Q13414953) and it could be useful for other editors as well. (I looked for the hyphenated form in the English-language article, but to no avail.) Thanks in advance. Adam78 (talk) 09:57, 27 July 2024 (UTC)

third-order chemical classes

@Infovarius: I removed group or class of chemical entities (Q72070508) and several of its subclasses from third-order class (Q24017465) because {Q|72070508}} is a subclass of group or class of physical objects (Q98119401), which is a second-order class (Q24017414). This results in a contradiction because second-order and third-order classes are disjoint. You appear to want {Q|72070508}} to remain as a third-order class. Why? What makes {Q|72070508}} a third-order class? If this is to remain, then the subclass link to group or class of physical objects (Q98119401) needs to be removed. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 13:19, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

vehicle family

vehicle family (Q22999537) is a subclass of model series (Q811701), which makes it a third-order class and not a second-order class. If it is not a third-order class, then it should not be a subclass of model series (Q811701). Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 21:40, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vicarage:

Aaah, it looks as if there are a number of classes related to vehicle family (Q22999537) that looks as if they might incorrectly be third-order classes. I'm going to go through them and try to set up consistent class orders for them, which may end up removing some class orders and superclasses. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 20:29, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Peter F. Patel-Schneider In the areas I'm concerned about

HMS Hood < Admiral class battle cruiser (vessel class (Q19832479)), but vessel_class can be under another vessel_class

Enola Gay < B-29 Superfortress (aircraft family (Q15056993)), but some aircraft families have aircraft model (Q15056995) under them, so while aircraft_model is always first order, aircraft_family can be first or second.

T-34-85 in Irkutsk (Q4203311) (single tank) < T-34/85 (Q2720752) (combat vehicle model) < T-34 (Q172233) (combat vehicle family (Q100709275)) < vehicle family (Q22999537), so the orders are getting very high, but equally I can imagine another museum tank being directly under combat vehicle family (Q100709275) or just vehicle family (Q22999537)

Weapons very rarely have instances recorded, but we have models and families of them.

So I think you will struggle to work bottom up. But generally model=first, family=second. Vicarage (talk) 21:02, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vicarage You need to distinguish between instance of (P31) and subclass of (P279) the former raises the order but the second does not. So

T-34-85 in Irkutsk (Q4203311) -> T-34/85 (Q2720752) [1st order]

T-34/85 (Q2720752) -> weapon family (Q15142889) [2nd order]

T-34/85 (Q2720752) => T-34 (Q172233) [1st order]

T-34 (Q172233) -> combat vehicle family (Q100709275) [2nd order]

weapon family (Q15142889) -> third-order class (Q24017465) INCORRECT

weapon family (Q15142889) => model series (Q811701) INCORRECT Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 21:42, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vicarage

It was a bit hard to make definitive judgements because it took me a while to find actual individuals. But in the area of aircraft there are enough actual individuals to get a good handle on what is going on.

We have [-> is instance of, => is subclass of]

Boeing 737 c/n 61864 (Q126173521) -> Boeing 737 MAX 8 (Q106340166)

OK-FUN (Q75820063) -> Boeing 737-300 (Q15623287)

Boeing 737-300 (Q15623287) => Boeing 737 Classic (Q2355950) => Boeing 737 (Q6387)

Boeing 737 MAX 8 (Q106340166) => Boeing 737 MAX (Q139289) => Boeing 737 (Q6387)

Boeing 737-300 (Q15623287) -> aircraft family (Q15056993)

Boeing 737 MAX 8 (Q106340166) -> aircraft family (Q15056993)

Boeing 737 (Q6387) -> aircraft family (Q15056993)

D-ABTA (Q64504169) -> Boeing 747-400 (Q906937)

Boeing 747-400 (Q906937) => Boeing 747 (Q179)

Boeing 747 (Q179) -> aircraft family (Q15056993)

This makes aircraft family a second-order class.

aircraft family (Q15056993) => vehicle family (Q22999537)

aircraft family (Q15056993) -> third-order class (Q24017465) INCORRECT

actually used to be fourth-order class (Q24027474)

There are no instances or subclasses of combat aircraft family (Q124054738) but it should mirror aircraft family (Q15056993)

combat aircraft family (Q124054738) => vehicle family (Q22999537)

combat aircraft family (Q124054738) -> third-order class (Q24017465) INCORRECT

VLS-1 V03 (Q122451003) -> VLS-1 (Q60593)

VLS-1 (Q60593) -> rocket family (Q109542585)

This makes rocket family a second-order class.

rocket family (Q109542585) => vehicle family (Q22999537)

rocket family (Q109542585) -> second-order class (Q24017414)

Similarly spacecraft family is a second-order class.

spacecraft family (Q117384805) => vehicle family (Q22999537)

spacecraft family (Q117384805) -> second-order class (Q24017414)

BTR monument in Maltsevo, Sverdlovsk Oblast (Q124743818) -> BTR-60 (Q159911)

BTR-60 (Q159911) -> combat vehicle family (Q100709275)

BTR-50 (Q682951) -> armored fighting vehicle (Q130368) INCORRECT

BTR-50 (Q682951) => armored fighting vehicle (Q130368) ADDED

BTR-50 (Q682951) -> combat vehicle family (Q100709275) ADDED

armored fighting vehicle (Q130368) -> combat vehicle family (Q100709275) INCORRECT

armored fighting vehicle (Q130368) -> vehicle family (Q22999537) INCORRECT

combat vehicle family (Q100709275) => vehicle family (Q22999537)

combat vehicle family (Q100709275) => model series (Q811701) INCORRECT

combat vehicle family (Q100709275) -> third-order class (Q24017465) INCORRECT

TDRS-7 (Q7669871) -> Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (Q2166659)

Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (Q2166659) => vehicle family (Q22999537) INCORRECT

Tracking and Data Relay Satellite (Q2166659) -> vehicle family (Q22999537) ADDED

vehicle family (Q22999537) -> second-order class (Q24017414)

vehicle family (Q22999537) => model series (Q811701) INCORRECT

This may not be perfect but it does seem quite a bit better. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 21:35, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Peter F. Patel-Schneider: Still seems like there should be some kind of subclass statement for vehicle family (Q22999537). If model series (Q811701) is inappropriate, then what could work there? — Huntster (t @ c) 22:50, 29 July 2024 (UTC)

@Huntster It's not always necessary to have a superclass - well, of course, there is always first-order class (Q104086571), but that is implied by being an instance of second-order class (Q24017414). One could also use

one of the very general subclasses of entity (Q35120).

In the end, it is better to not have a superclass than to have the wrong one. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 00:38, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure I follow all this, but all I care about is that I can query object, (model and family), (functional class) for ships, weapons, vehicles etc and get things, makes of things, types of things, to produce pages like my https://warlike.info/Q753224. For this X_family and X_model need consistent application, I'm less worried about their definitions. It would be good for the choice of which X_family to used be obvious, which it isn't for vehicles and weapons at the moment. Vicarage (talk) 07:15, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vicarage Should we move this elsewhere? If so, where? Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 11:57, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

yes, how about Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Cleaning_Task_Force Vicarage (talk) 12:35, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

I'll set something up there. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 13:13, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Vicarage

See https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Ontology/Class_Order.

A big problem is that some of the major classes don't have a fixed order, containing both individual products and product models as instances. We should discuss the situation on that page. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 14:46, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Peter F. Patel-Schneider: The issue is that now any use of vehicle family (Q22999537) in instance of (P31) now gives a warning because it doesn't have a subclass of (P279) statement. I agree that having a wrong one is bad, but could something be created to fill in the existing gap that isn't wrong? — Huntster (t @ c) 14:33, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

@Huntster The obvious superclass is product family, but that is model series (Q811701), which has the wrong order, I think. A possibility is first-order class (Q104086571), which is correct, I think, but could be misleading. Let's discuss on the page I created. (See above.) Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 14:59, 30 July 2024 (UTC)

See Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/object_vs_design_class_vs_functional_class_for_manufactured_objects Vicarage (talk) 14:51, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Q579600 functional

Hi! Sorry to bug you with this, but you reverted my edit on the page mentioned in the title. There was a confusion there: the person who provided the translation "functional=funcțional" thought that "functional" was an adjective (as in "functional analysis", for example), but the word was supposed to be a noun in that case, and the correct translation is "funcțională" (plural "funcționale"). This is certified by any Romanian functional analysis book, as the word is universally called "funcțională" here. Just to give an example: see page 28 in Romulus Cristescu's book Analiză funcțională (the book can be found on Libgen). Filipjack2000 (talk) 09:20, 4 August 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, my fault. --Infovarius (talk) 20:01, 5 August 2024 (UTC)

Ukrainian language

Hello Infovarius, I don't understand this revert, Ethnologue is a well trusted source in linguistic. They maintain iso codes, by example. 89.171.141.132 13:12, 12 August 2024 (UTC)

It was technical revert. Look at the history and at the result: I have kept your data (and restored historical data). --Infovarius (talk) 10:04, 13 August 2024 (UTC)

Adding title to group

https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q61746750&diff=prev&oldid=2230722005

Please don't add title to a group. Title is for works. ISNIplus (talk) 14:27, 21 August 2024 (UTC)

@ISNIplus: Why? Every band should have some official name. Or was I wrong in property? --Infovarius (talk) 19:38, 22 August 2024 (UTC)

Please read the message carefully. ISNIplus (talk) 08:19, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

Edit wars at (Q17265)

Hello, there is no such thing as "native label" for party games if it was never licensed or have been patented. Also the statement that it's 3-18 players game is incorrect. However, country of origin is already appears in articles on Wikipedia. 109.237.103.42 15:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

If it was invented in Russia, it can have original Russian name. Can you play it with less 3 players? 18 is arguable, ok. --Infovarius (talk) 20:08, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Please read Wikipedia:No original research. 109.237.103.42 22:46, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Q130191599 и Q16629979

Конечно Мыс Весло и Полуостров Весловский являются разными географическими обектами. И не возможно просто скопировать для объединения статей. Kone718 (talk) 05:12, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

@Kone718: Если это действительно мыс и полуостров, я исправлю утверждения. Хотя я вижу странную фразу "ケラムイ崎とも表記される。ロシアの実効支配下にあり、ロシア語名ヴェスロフスキー半島" в Q129984059 - как будто здесь про полуостров (Google Translate говорит). --Infovarius (talk) 22:48, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Может быть только Японцы неправильно писали... Потому что «崎» - мыс, а «半島» - п-ов.Kone718 (talk) 04:29, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

"Occupation"

If you can show me evidence that Jeffrey Dahmer had been hired to commit crimes, and was being paid to do it, then I will accept that his occupation was "serial killer" and "serial rapist". DS (talk) 15:17, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

P106 is for what this person known for. And this is not only profession, but also hobbies (see fr-alias) and similar. Or we should remove Pierre de Fermat (Q75655) P106=mathematician, Pablo Picasso (Q5593) P106=artist, and many more. --Infovarius (talk) 18:48, 3 September 2024 (UTC)

Mul labels

According to Madamebiblio, mul labels are not used in films or TV series, per Help:Default values for labels and aliases. So why did you revert at Shrek 2 (Q485983)? 2602:306:3384:B280:F154:16FD:316B:A4D5 18:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

Betula

"We don't use that".

Funny, I've checked the documentation of the taxonomy wikiproject and I can find nothing to back up your claim that P527 is not usable for taxons.

Please point to the documentation you're relying on for that assertion. David Newton (talk) 14:19, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Hello, David. I couldn't find too... There are many discussions about usability of reverse property even for "basyonym" and "synonym of taxon" but not for P171. I suppose it was so obvious, but may be User:Succu remember? Having inverse for P171 is like having inverse for P279 - redundant relation and far too many values in many items. --Infovarius (talk) 12:01, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Языки территории

Доброго времени суток. Объясните, пожалуйста, почему Вы в 2019 году для метакласса languages of a geographic region (Q20671156) переделывали свойство Это частный случай на Является подклассом? Например: [3]? Ведь это неправильно. Ыфь77 (talk) 05:23, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Потому что это не про один язык (например, Bashkir (Q13389) был бы P31=Q20671156 для Bashkortostan (Q5710)), а про класс. --Infovarius (talk) 11:40, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Таки класс является частным случаем метакласса, а Языки территории - как раз метакласс. Я, не торопясь, переделываю обратно. Ыфь77 (talk) 12:55, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Obsolete taxonomic schemes and reliability of references

Please be aware that sites like ITIS do not always maintain their taxonomy to reflect the current scientific literature. In fact, these frankly are not reliable sources when they deviate from the majority of scientific publications over the past decade and a half. If you find a claim on one of these sites, you need to verify that it's actually still valid. In at least a few cases, you have gone back to completely obsolete classification. Lhikan634 (talk) 22:32, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Why can't we keep "obsolete classificiation"? Especially when we keep "obsolete" taxa. --Infovarius (talk) 19:20, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Ричина отмены правки

Коллега, я не понимаю причину отмены моей правки [4]. Объясните в чём ошибка VladimirPF (talk) 06:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Вмешаюсь: правка сделана по моей просьбе, для элементов Эсперанто <в стране> требуется, чтобы эсперанто был подклассом, как все естественные языки. И да - эсперанто подкласс, потому что существовало несколько версий языка. Ыфь77 (talk) 14:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Не совсем про это.

Наоборот, я за то, чтобы поставить эсперанто экземпляром (а не классом) языков. Так принято для языков. Если это "класс" языков, используются другие классификации, например, P31=language group (Q941501). А насчёт версий, и про английский так можно сказать, пока в классы его никто не переводит. --Infovarius (talk) 19:23, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Как говорят/говорили в Одессе: Ви за это отвечаете? Внимательно посмотрите на элемент Q1860 и рассмотрите, наконец, там свойство подкласс от Английские языки. Классом он является для элементов языка на территориях и для его диалектов, говоров и прочих идиом (которых в английском китайское числительное). Точно такого же свойства я прошу для эсперанто. Ыфь77 (talk) 04:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Re-inserting GND redirect

Talk:Q285048#GND redirect, please explain your re-insertion. GNDfix (talk) 15:43, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Hertz hertz (Q39369)

First of all, I do not see the necessity to import an image from commons, but why was only Russian legends added? It appears on unexpected places (like in commons category). I am not able to add legends in different languages, and make ranking between them. If you can add it, please add the Russian version, but that should not be the default value for the image, Thanx! JSoos (talk) 21:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

@JSoos: I don't understand about which "import" do you say. As for Russian caption, you can adjust your tools not to show it if you don't want. One language in Wikidata shouldn't prevail over the other and this is not an English website. --Infovarius (talk) 18:03, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much! You are really helpful! JSoos (talk) 19:43, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Citizenship

Hi Infovarius! The Austro-Hungarian Monarchy was a state entity that included several countries. The inhabitants of these countries had their own citizenship, that is, there was no such thing as Austro-Hungarian dream citizenship.

Here on Wikidata, we use Cisleithania (Q533534) and Hungary (Q28) to denote nationality. Unfortunately, all of the ones you entered as country of citizenship (P27):Austria-Hungary (Q28513) must be corrected (e.g.: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q900138&curid=850946&diff=2249179327&oldid=2249179257 )

The P27 property discussion page lists the combinations that do not correspond to the historical facts. It's worth a look ("Which items to use? "). Pallor (talk) 11:13, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

former entity

You changed former entity (Q15893266) from an instance of currently empty class (Q86098365) to a subclass of it. This makes all former entities be classes, which does not seem to be correct. I'm not keen on the instance relationship either, but it seems much better than the subclass relationship;. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 20:30, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

@Peter F. Patel-Schneider: "This makes all former entities be classes" - what? How can instances of former entity become classes, when former entity is changed from being an instance of something to be a subclass of something? Andres Ollino (talk) 23:40, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Andres Ollino currently empty class (Q86098365) is labelled and described according to the conventions of Wikidata. Just like human (Q5) is not a human but is instead the class of humans, currently empty class (Q86098365) is not a currently empty class but is instead the class of currently empty classes. So former entity (Q15893266)subclass of (P279)currently empty class (Q86098365) means, using the meaning of subclass of (P279), that all instances of former entity (Q15893266) are currently empty classes. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 11:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

@Peter F. Patel-Schneider: You didn't explain "This makes all former entities be classes". You also didn't link to the edit that made the change you claimed has happened. Andres Ollino (talk) 00:29, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

From my reply: "that all instances of former entity (Q15893266) are currently empty classes". What part of "This makes all former entities be classes" is missing?

The change I refer to is the only one made by Infovarius.

I note that there was a change made today by Hunster that reverted the change by Infovarius. So as far as I am concerned things are fine now. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 02:04, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Please post the link to the change, providing the source for a claim is common practice in Wikipedia and should be so in discussions too, so the first person talking about it, and here basing the entire thread on that, provides it, and each reader can just consume it. Andres Ollino (talk) 12:51, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Peter F. Patel-Schneider: I understand your argument and tend to agree with it. So Q15893266 is an empty class but it has instances and even non-empty subclasses... Time-dependent classes a little explode my mind... Infovarius (talk) 10:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Q1046594 vs Q36156

Before reverting your change (that reverted mine :-)), I'd like to clarify that all the wikivoyage's article talks about the Kazak Altai territory, that in this case collide with the administrative Kazak region, that's why I move those articles from one wd instance to the other.

Please share me your thoughts. Andyrom75 (talk) 13:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I've notice a huge amount of modification with this account, so most likely it's a bot and I don't know if and when you'll reply, so let me provide you more information to explain why I'm going to "revert your revert" :-)

The Wikivoyage map has been created starting from the administrative Kazakh region, present in the Wikipedia map.

WV map

WP map

You can easily see that the borders of the 6 territories highlighted in the WV map are defined by the administrative borders. Furthermore you can see that 5 out 6 WV territories are defined by grouping 2 or more administrative Kazakh regions, with the exception of the Altai WV region that is exactly the same of the Altai administrative region.

I hope it clarify. Feel free to ping me for further discussion. Thanks, Andyrom75 (talk) 08:17, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Who is bot? @Andyrom75: there's something intrinsically wrong in your move. Rudny Altai is not East Kazakhstan, as it situated also in Russia. Altaï kazakh is not East Kazahstan, because: "Altaï kazakh correspond à l'est de la province du Kazakhstan-Oriental.". Other guides also doesn't mention East Kazakshtan. If you want to describe administrative region why not to name guides by administrative name?? --Infovarius (talk) 11:45, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi Infovarious, on top on the discussion about border, let me highlight a couple of things.

1. all the Wikivoyage articles are defined hierarchically by the breadcrumb that you can see on top, and all of them are defined as "part of Kazakhstan" through a dedicated template (e.g. the Russian version shows: "Азия > Средняя Азия > Казахстан > Рудный Алтай").
2. Regarding the sentence you mention, about the fact that the content of the article in the subject is the eastern part of a greater territory, this comes from the fact that before 2022 the "East Kazakhstan Region" was composed by the current territories: "East Kazakhstan Region" (on the east side) + "Abai Region" (on the west side). After 2022, "Abai Region" become an independent region and "East Kazakhstan Region" kept its original name but with new borders. That said, it's true that before 2022 the administrative territory and the tourist territory were different, but after 2022, the two territories are the same, so also the text in the body of the articles shall be updated.

I hope it clarify. Please let me know, Andyrom75 (talk) 06:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

human instance of endling

Talk:Q4241296#Human_instance_of_endling please stop your "innovations" Andres Ollino (talk) 23:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

@Andres Ollino: How to express this in other way? --Infovarius (talk) 22:49, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

graph ontology

Moved to Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Mathematics#graph ontology

Recent reverts and mess (again)

RE: " don't put a mess " : Please see Property:P2396 and keep Q860623 consistent with it. Taylor 49 (talk) 14:30, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

RE "range of function is just one of the images, image can be of subset/element/full domain" : Q860623 is very clearly defined as the set of all values that a function can produce. That the word "image" could be used for a subset is possibly true but irrelevant in the context. The item image (Q860623) is NOT about all obscure meanings of the word "image", but about the set of all values that a function can produce and nothing else. Taylor 49 (talk) 14:35, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

RE "give me some minutes to adjust descriptions" : the item is linked to heavily used image of function (P2396) (example: Q12718884) thus you MUST NOT change its scope. Taylor 49 (talk) 14:39, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

RE "look now" : There are indeed a few improvements, but many worsenings. Most notably, mass copying of stuff from well defined image (Q860623) into ambigous range of a function (Q1806121) is not useful at all. What's the point? You love reverting me for the sake of reverting, don't you? Taylor 49 (talk) 15:05, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

Кубоид

Здравствуйте, коллега Infovarius. Очень удивился Вашей правке https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q55450691&diff=next&oldid=2244991713. Вы считаете, что русское слово Кубоид недостаточно соответствует английскому Cuboid? С уважением, G2ii2g (talk) 21:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Вы не отвечали, поэтому вернул, как было. С уважением, G2ii2g (talk) 14:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@G2ii2g: Кажется, не соответствует. По-английски, File:Generic quadrilateral hexahedron.svg - "cuboid", по-русски не "кубоид" (см. куда перенаправляется w:ru:Кубоид). --Infovarius (talk) 08:33, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Q65706630

@白布飘扬, Linda.jansova, Elyaqim, Dan Polansky: why the merge was reverted? Then it was added it's said to be the same as Q115779499. No description for Q65706630, so how can we distinguish? The only thing that differentiate them is the entry number of TDKIV term ID (P5398). Web-julio (talk) 04:59, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

I merged narrower term (Q115779499) to narrower term (Q65706630) due to their same English label and the later was no described, but then I found they both have own distinct TDKIV term ID (P5398) value and I not sure if they just something homonym because I not familiar in Czech. So I revert my action and let other to make decision. 白布飘扬 (talk) 05:31, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

@Web-julio, 白布飘扬, Linda.jansova:: Indeed narrower term (Q65706630) (2 uses) got silently merged into narrower term (Q115779499) (17 uses), but the merge was reverted by same person 白布飘扬. Indeed Q65706630 has no description and no useful claims. Unless someone elaborates on the difference between the two by adding descriptions and claims, I will redo the merge. Taylor 49 (talk) 17:06, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

@Web-julio, @白布飘扬,@Elyaqim, @Dan_Polansky I have added the description to Q65706630 which clarifies its meaning. It is nearly the same but a bit broader as it encompasses narrower terms used in thesauri and narrower terms in any other relevant knowledge organization systems (which have a hierarchical structure; not all of them have one, of course). So in my view it is correct to keep these two items separate, mirroring the linked TDKIV terminology database items. Therefore, the said to be the same as statements probably should not be there (although those narrower terms from thesauri would come under the umbrella narrower terms used for the knowledge organization systems in general) but still... Linda.jansova (talk) 05:42, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Hungary vs Kingdom of Hungary

Hi!

This element (meaning Hungary (Q28)) represents the country that was founded in the 11th century and still exists today. We use this to indicate citizenship.

It is important to know that citizenship and state form are two different concepts. The fact that a person's country was a kingdom, republic or whatever during his life did not change his citizenship.

This is especially true in the case of Hungary: it is very important that the continuity of citizenship is continuous, which is almost unique in Eastern Europe (the citizenship of the Germans changed, Czechoslovakia, the Soviet Union and Yugoslavia also fell apart). There is no Hungarian person in history who has two Hungarian citizenships. Pallor (talk) 21:35, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Administrative division categories

Please see my last reply here: Talk:Q7339272. I assume you didn't notice it before you moved the Commons sitelink again. As said, subjects (governments, borders etc.) you listed generally relate to specific administrative territorial entities. Also, Country subdivisions category is the most specific category containing all individual administrative territorial entities. Content of this Commons category relates to the subject of Category:Administrative territorial structure (Q5905240) the same way that it relates to the content of any other more general category.

It is also unclear why you insist on linking c:Category:Administrative entities instead from Category:Administrative divisions (Q7339272). This sitelink is at best confusing. As said, given Commons category is almost unused, and as said individual administrative territorial entities are actually in different more specific category mentioned in previous paragraph (which currently isn't even a subcategory of this category). Considering that one of two members of "Administrative entities" is "Administrative territorial entities‎" it looks like this more general category should also include non-territorial administrative entities (some organizations maybe). So it is rather difficult to see how this category matches Category:Administrative divisions (Q7339272).

As for Special:Diff/2257120383 (at least as aliases) – what is the point? These labels/aliases are all simply wrong (not matching the subject of other categories attached to this item). Also, labels that you restored are expected to conflict with labels in other item to which the sitelinks were moved (once some bot tries to fill in the labels based on category sitelinks). 2001:7D0:81F8:9A80:C548:2BB6:97BE:D683 13:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Chapman

Please explain why you felt it necessary to restore a) vandalism (re: "Costa"), and b) the statement that Chapman has 0 children (which, while true, is not useful). Thank you. DS (talk) 17:15, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Also, in no way is "Beatlemania" an occupation. It's not even what motivated Chapman. DS (talk) 17:38, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

@DragonflySixtyseven: a) I agree about "Costa", my mistake, fixed. b) I don't agree that number of children is useless information. c) I agree that Beatlemania is not an occupation, but it should be somehow presented. May be medical condition (P1050)? --Infovarius (talk) 19:27, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

To repeat: Beatlemania isn't what motivated Chapman. He'd been a fan of the Beatles earlier, but subsequently changed his mind. And you can't call it a "medical condition", no more than you could use that term for Wikimania or Wrestlemania. DS (talk) 20:33, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

Rus' language

Re [5] - I was trying to fix the issue that @Silar: was raising at commons:Category:Rus' language (vs. commons:Category:Old East Slavic). Could you talk with them about it? Either we should have multiple Wikidata items matching the Commons categories, or we shouldn't have two Commons categories... Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 17:56, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

@Mike Peel: commons:Category:Rus' language is a strange language that looks like an original invention. It has definitely not a code "orv". It's not an Old East Slavic. I don't know what to do with it. Probably separate item with single link. --Infovarius (talk) 20:42, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

charge (P1595)

Hi, I did a batch removing all charge (P1595) statements from human items, since the property is meant only for legal case/trial items, not humans. I added the charge = child abduction to child abductions in the Russian invasion of Ukraine (Q112222097) where Putin is named as one of the people accused. Samoasambia ✎ 20:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

@Samoasambia: Hi, I saw this constraint and find it strange. How to model situations when accusation was made but no punishment followed? --Infovarius (talk) 20:31, 17 October 2024 (UTC)

I think that choise has been taken to protect living people. Some living people might face negative consequences if we add accusations without a conviction. Samoasambia ✎ 17:11, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Edit

Yes. Bosogo (talk) 19:02, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Remove Q50231 as subclass of Q41761295

I want to explain why I want to remove administrative territorial entity of the People's Republic of China (Q50231) as a subclass of administrative territorial entity of China (Q41761295). It's because right now administrative territorial entity of the People's Republic of China (Q50231) is a subclass of former administrative territorial entity (Q19953632) which does not make sense. So if you want to get a list of all former administrative divisions, you will also get all current divisions of PRC. And since there are so many of them, e.g. this query times out: https://w.wiki/BcXg Bjoe1839 (talk) 07:17, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Q111635220 and Q3419503

explaination for the merge revert? one is almost empty, no reason to have it separate imho. 52playing cards are (generally) french cards and french cards are (generally if not always) 52cards.
moreover the "standard 52-card deck" is subclass of (P279) of French-suited playing cards (Q3177840) so again another reason for merge GiovanniPen (talk) 20:35, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

domesticated pigeon (Q204179)

When are you going to delete the rest of the redundant aliases off of this item? You've left quite a few behind. - Yupik (talk) 21:11, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

You're obviously on Wikidata since you're busy reverting my edits again. Are you going to bother to answer the question and/or do something about what you've left behind? - Yupik (talk) 23:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I've done it, didn't you see the history? --Infovarius (talk) 21:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Q174069

Н (Q174069) is not said to be the same as N (Q9937). That are different Symbols. Yuriklim (talk) 09:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Yuriklim: They are equivalent in transliteration (because has the same sound). --Infovarius (talk) 21:26, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, but this doesn't mean that they are the same. The items are about the symbols and not about the sound. Yuriklim (talk) 07:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)