User:Florentyna/Archive 2020 2024

Q65640314 - Ching Chi-Teng

I think this man does not exist. YONEX Dutch Junior 2017 men's single winner was Chen Chi-Ting. -- Terry850324 (talk) 06:17, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

I will correct this. --Florentyna (talk) 06:18, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Wijntuin

Hello Florentyna, at Olivia Wijntuin (Q26911586) something weird is going on. This person was born in the 1980's but participated in a 1982 badminton tournament? Maybe there are two people with the same name? Can you look into this? Robotje (talk) 06:21, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

That's really wrong. [1] says 1/1/1980, but if this is given, then it is a standard database value, not the real birth date. --Florentyna (talk) 10:42, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

In this newspaper article published on 12 September 1979, Olivia Wijntuin was mentioned as one of the girls who were candidates for a badminton tournament later that year. In this article in a Surinamese Sports Encyclopedia, she was mentioned as a girl participant in a 1979 tournament and a lady in a 1980 tournament. So she was probably born around 1962. The Olivia Wijntuin who participated in 2011 could be another person with same name who was born in the 1980's. Don't you think so? - Robotje (talk) 23:46, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I also thought, that this can be a second person, but who knows. This would also mean, that she never was married (or divoreced again). 1979 as junior means age class 16/17 with maximum age 18, i.e. 1961 or younger should be correct. Florentyna (talk) 06:02, 14 February 2023 (UTC)

Call for participation in a task-based online experiment

Dear Florentyna,

I hope you are doing well,

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I am inviting you to a task-based study that will ask you to provide your judgments about the relevance of the items suggested by our model based on your previous edits. Participation is completely voluntary, and your cooperation will enable us to evaluate the accuracy of the recommender system in suggesting relevant items to you. We will analyse the results anonymised, and they will be published to a research venue.

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Then, I will contact you with the link to start the study.

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Regards Kholoudsaa (talk) 16:57, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Good idea, but if anonymised, why put on the first page username and e-mail? This is not acceptable. Stopped right there. Florentyna (talk) 17:56, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Blanking

Hello, I'm BrokenSegue. I notice that you have blanked an item Q96409867, either fully or partially, by removing some combination of sitelinks, claims, and labels, or by replacing valid labels with strings such as “DELETE THIS”. It's possible that you did this because you were attempting to delete the item, but I’m afraid that’s not how things work here.

If you want to request deletion of an item, please do so at Wikidata:Requests for deletions. Even once you have done this, you should still not be blanking the item in anticipation of its deletion. There are several important reasons for this:

Anyone reviewing the item will want to assess for themselves whether it ought to be deleted. If you have already removed information, then this may make it harder for them to determine correctly whether the item is notable. In particular, a sitelink usually implies that the item is notable, so they need to be reviewed carefully.
Your deletion request may be declined. In this case, your removals will need to be reverted.
The item may be deleted but subsequently undeleted.
The item may be a duplicate of another item. In this case, the two items will be merged using a merge tool, and everything will be copied from one to the other. It is helpful for this merge for the item to retain as much information as possible. Incorrect labels like “DELETE THIS” may end up in the result.
Wikidata administrators have access to a special searchable archive of deleted items. This is used, for example, to determine if a newly-created item is a recreation of one that has been created in the past. For this reason, it is helpful if the deleted version of an item is as complete as possible.
If we remove a sitelink, but the article remains on the client project, then someone on that client project may end up creating a new item, duplicating the original.

It is also possible that you were blanking an item because you want to repurpose it for another concept. Do not do this! There is no shortage of item numbers, and we never reuse an item for a different concept.

If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! BrokenSegue (talk) 17:16, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

New family names and given names

Hi Florentyna!

It's nice of you to create new names. Please be so kind and fill in at least these three properties, it will save the other Wikidata contributors a lot of work:

For names in Latin script:

instance of (P31) (use "family name (Q101352)", "male given name (Q12308941)" or "female given name (Q11879590)")
writing system (P282) (use "Latin script (Q8229)")
native label (P1705) (use allways "mul" for the language specification; specific language specifications require a reference)

Tip: The easiest way would be to use the script from User:Bargioni, see: User:Bargioni/QuickNames

Note: Arabic, Chinese, Greek, Japanese, Korean, Russian names, etc. must be created in their original script. User:Bargioni's tool is not suitable for this.

For persons of Russian, Ukrainian, Serbian origin etc., and other countries with Cyrillic writing system, create the name in Cyrillic script:

instance of (P31) (use "family name (Q101352)", "male given name (Q12308941)" or "female given name (Q11879590)")
writing system (P282) (use "Cyrillic script (Q8209)")
native label (P1705) (use allways "mul" for the language specification; specific language specifications require a reference)

Note: The transliteration from e.g. Russian (Q7737)/Ukrainian (Q8798)/Serbian (Q9299) etc. to English (Q1860), French (Q150), German (Q188) and various other languages is different.

For more information please see this page: Wikidata:WikiProject Names/Properties.

I wish you continued happy work on Wikidata. Best regards, 158.181.69.5 14:55, 13 September 2023 (UTC)

Pochtarov (Q16870932)

Hi, what is happening there exactly? The item was for the surname spelled "Hus" (apparently a duplicate of Hus (Q15119657)), and now all of a sudden it's for "Почтарьов" instead? This doesn't make any sense to me. Also ping @Бучач-Львів. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 15:42, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

For me it makes also not sense - I only finished the half-way stopped changes. The also pinged colleague reused Hus and Husak instead of creating a new item - no idea why. --Florentyna (talk) 15:45, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

Also @Jon Harald Søby: Hello. When I create a new element about the last name, I can only make an entry in five languages (uk, en, de, pl, ru). I don't know how to change the settings. I did it this way because I see that the element is not actually used. If I did it wrong, then I apologize and of course I'll correct it. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 06:17, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

Also @Jon Harald Søby: For example, here is this element Pryveda (Q122942101) I created, and here the record is only in 5 languages. --Бучач-Львів (talk) 06:24, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

I would suggest not to do this in the future. It confuses a lot, it shocks the former authors due to the reverts. Rather create a new item and ask somebody to add more languages. Florentyna (talk) 17:02, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

sex or gender (P21)

Because there are real examples of altersex (Q59592239) by genital surgery, altersex (Q59592239) should be an option of sex or gender (P21). Sharouser (talk) 02:28, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Hangzhou Olympic Sports Center Gymnasium and Natatorium (Q123561456)

I'd love to know why you reverted again my merge? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 05:46, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

This must be different halls. One should be the modern one in the front of the image [2], opened 2018, one opened 1966 [3]. --Florentyna (talk) 05:52, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

The problem is, that Hangzhou Olympic Sports Expo Center (Q5648127) doesn't have a stadium or gymnasium where only specific to badminton afaik. Recently I asked via IRC to some zhwiki and enwiki editors:

Hangzhou Olympic Sports Expo Center (Q5648127) looks like a large place with several sports and exposition-related buildings, that contains:

Hangzhou Olympic Sports Center Stadium (Q97582124) on the southwest, main venue of 2022 Asian Games (Q7269643)
"杭州奥体博览城网球中心" (lit. Hangzhou Olympic Sports Center Tennis Center, not sure if I'm correctly translated here or not) for tennis, on the southeast, west of Qijia river, see File:Tennis_Center_in_Hangzhou_Olympic_Sports_Expo_Center.jpg
"杭州奥体中心综合训练馆" (lit. Hangzhou Olympic Sports Center Comprehensive Training Hall), on the southeast, east of Qijia river, sadly I can't see any images on Commons related to this thing
Hangzhou Century Center (Q85881219) between 3rd and 5th on the east, a twin-tower skyscraper unrelated to sport
Hangzhou International Expo Center (Q28411495) on the northeast, also unrelated to sport, that's an exposition center held 2016 G20 Hangzhou summit (Q19588626)
"杭州奥体中心体育游泳馆" (lit. Hangzhou Olympic Sports Center Gymnasium and Natatorium) on the northwest, see File:Gymnasium&Natatorium_in_Hangzhou_Olympic_Sports_Expo_Center2021.jpg, while it relates to badminton, it's not only for badminton, but also for basketball, volleyball, table tennis, handball, swimming, wrestling, indoor football and maybe other indoor sports

So as the item creator, which thing Hangzhou Olympic Sports Center Gymnasium and Natatorium (Q123561456) you're pointing to? 2nd? 3rd? or 6th? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 08:43, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I am not saying, that it is only used for badminton. Probably the first time it will be used for this sport will be now in December (en:2023 BWF World Tour Finals), so we will see it, which venue is meant. From en:Venues of the 2022 Asian Games it can be the basketball thing with 18000 spectators or the tennis thing with 10000 spectators. We will see it latest in December from the images and numbers of spectators at the 2023 BWF World Tour Finals [4]. Most important for me was, that it is not the same like the Hangzhou Guangxia Gymnasium, this maked no sense. --Florentyna (talk) 10:54, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

I've re-checked this bwf.sport pdf, in that file, the location of this Gymnasium is described as "210 Tiyuchang Rd, Xiacheng District, HangzhouZhejiang, China, 310003", if this location is what the BWF World Tour Final 2023 will be held, then my merge action shall be correct (means, the Hangzhou Guangxia is really what BWF meant), and you should consider re-allowing me to restore this merge, but if they decide to move that venue to the gymnasium associated with Hangzhou 2022 (the 6th above), then I agree with your revert, and, as that 6th thing is also a natatorium, I will handle the labels to reflect so. Anyway, I've contacted the BWF staffs to clarify about this problem. Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 04:45, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Bumping?! ^^ Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 07:04, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

For me the most important thing was, that there are (at least, probably one more to add) two different venues, the rest we will see, when the BWF finals started and some youtube videos or photos will be shown. Means, is it a badminton venue or not - but this is really of minor importance. --Florentyna (talk) 07:12, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

Here's what I've received at my e-mail address, from BWF official, just in the moon of today:

“

Dear Liu Xin Yu,

Thank you very much for your inquiry, with confirmation from our accredits, the Hangzhou Guangxia Gymnasium is our venue we chosen, that pdf file has some typos on description of its name, and we've ordered the maintainer to fix those typos. Have a nice day of badminton.

”

In this case, are you still dealing your item created really described a different gymnasium from the Guangxia one? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:37, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Off course there are 2 different venues (one really old one from the 1960s, one new one), only badminton must be removed from the new one. And one should find out, if the new one is the 18000 or 10000 seater. --Florentyna (talk) 09:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

No need to, that new one has badminton function, but just not only for badminton, seats aren't what I'm interested. I decided to rename your item to have "and Natatorium" on both label and instance of (P31). But based on this e-mail I received, aren't there some Wikipedia articles made lies on venue fields? Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:56, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

repurposing and questionable sources

In continuation to Wikidata:Forum#nicht_nachvollziehbare_Einzelnachweise. Please

do not repurpose items for any reason whatsoever and
do not invent sources that do not exist and
do not accuse users in good standing of “duplicate spamming” (Duplikatspammer) unless you have proof that they are acting with malice

--Emu (talk) 20:03, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

War mir klar aus meiner Menschenkenntnis heraus, was von dir zu erwarten war. Was berechtigt dich und was ist deine Funktion eigentlich, um derartige Statements abzugeben? Was ist dein Ziel, was willst du erreichen? Etwa Editoren vertreiben, oder nur mich? Und wenn du schon am fetten Shouting bist, zitiere bitte immer die Regel dazu. Bosheit habe ich auch niemanden unterstellt, bitte sachlich bleiben, oder auch mal hier schauen: [5]. Und wie bereits erwähnt, eine "schöne" Bequellung wird noch Jahre dauern - ist aber nicht nur in "meinem Bereich" so. Florentyna (talk) 20:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Nichts desto Trotz bin ich jetzt über deine 97% main contributions auf Wikidata überrascht, auch die 76% main auf dewiki sind so schlecht nicht. Also lass uns konstruktiv hier weiterarbeiten. --Florentyna (talk) 20:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Das Ziel ist, dass du das genannte Verhalten einstellst. Ich gehe per WD:AGF davon aus, dass dir die Regeln nach 10 Millionen Edits grundsätzlich bewusst sind und du aus irgendwelchen Gründen beim Anlassfall nicht entsprechend gehandelt hast. Passiert. Ich bin zwar Administrator, aber wie du selbst geschrieben hast, handelt es sich um eine Information, welche letztendlich jede IP aussprechen kann. Ich verstehe deine Ausführungen auch nicht so, dass du mir unterstellen würdest, ich würde Editoren vertreiben wollen, sondern als allgemeine Unmutsäußerung. --Emu (talk) 00:26, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

TÜ Spordiklubi

Hi, please explain this revert: Special:Diff/2089497032. It isn't clear what standalone P131 statement means in an item about organization. As already said in edit summary: item subject isn't a physical object simply fixated to a location, and value for this statement was already provided more accuratenly using P159/P740 properties. 2001:7D0:81DB:1480:C1B8:4136:404D:5D2D 07:43, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

I remember from former discussions, that I have to use location for events and located in... for clubs. Try to ask there on the property talk pages (and the respective archives). Search on the pages for instance for club. Property:P276 or Property:P131.--Florentyna (talk) 08:25, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Talk page for P131 only slightly covers related constraint. This constraint is no longer there but it's evident why it was placed in the first place. Previous discussions on talk pages of these properies don't seem to suggest that P131 should be used for clubs. I suspect you don't remember this correctly. Neither does Wikidata:WikiProject Sports#Team/Club suggest that P131 should be used (it recommends only P159). 2001:7D0:81DB:1480:4140:D65F:220E:CAC0 09:31, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

Unverbundene Seiten

Hallo Florentyna, vielen Dank für das Anlegen und Verbinden von neuen Artikeln der deutschsprachigen Wikipedia. Weitere unverbunden Seiten finden sich unter

Eventuell auch von Interesse:

Beispiele für die Ergänzung von fehlenden Eigenschaften mittels HarvestTemplates und PetScan finden sich unter

User:M2k~dewiki/Tools/Enrich_Objects

Siehe auch de:Benutzer:M2k~dewiki/FAQ M2k~dewiki (talk) 10:03, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Da hast du ja ganz schön was gesammelt... Florentyna (talk) 10:18, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Q27119655

Would you be willing to reconsider reverting my edit? I'm very inclined to believe that Hew (the badminton player) and Hew (the Rhodes Scholar) are the same person:

The NewspaperArchive hits for "Ernest Hew" in the Kingston Gleaner (free with the Wikipedia Library), plentiful until then, abruptly drop after June 1964, shortly before Hew (the Rhodes Scholar) would have gone to Oxford and [6] says that "Hew [the badminton player] [was] off the island [in 1967]".
[7] says that Hew (the Rhodes Scholar) had a badminton half-blue while at OU.
[8] says that Hew was "Captain of the University Badminton Club, c/o University Hospital".
Hew (the Rhodes Scholar) had a lawn tennis (similar to badminton) career: [9] says that he in 1958 "was then Under 19 [Lawn Tennis] champion of Jamaica" (narrowing his birth date after 1938) and [10] says that Hew was "Jamaica's 1963 Rhodes Scholar" and runner-up to the 1963 All Jamaica Lawn Tennis Championships.

ミラP@Miraclepine 16:32, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

This information you did not provide before, so it can be, that this is the Jamaican guy. Some more Ernest Hew are spreading around - a sculptor (too young) and an anaesthesist. Florentyna (talk) 17:13, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll update the item accordingly. And yes, I'm pretty sure said anaesthesist is the badminton player given this source. ミラP@Miraclepine 23:55, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Category names

What do you mean by "source for this statement"? Solidest (talk) 15:28, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

You wrote: WD engine does not allow to enter identical names for categories. Such a name can refer to a racing tournament, so it is better to specify both of them with brackets. I never heard this. Where did you find this statement? --Florentyna (talk) 15:31, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

You can try to set two categories to have the same names + the same descriptions in the same language. The engine will not allow you to do this and will give you an error. Because in fact on any wiki it is also impossible to create categories with the same name. And this mechanism is used to track duplicates on WD due to that. And that's why "Wikimedia category" is filled into English descriptions everywhere. And the fact that you use custom titles for the badminaton sphere - just contradicts this approach and functionality and is not done anywhere on wikidata except for badminton categories, and so it's problematic. Solidest (talk) 15:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

This is not any wiki, this is Wikidata and very different, and very much POV. Where is the source for your approach? --Florentyna (talk) 15:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I understand that, but you don't seem to realize that Wikimedia category (Q4167836) describes pages on other wikis and not real-world concepts like other items with free labels could be. Where is the source for the approach that allows you to set labels for p31=Wikimedia category (Q4167836) items constantly and deliberately that don't match the exact labels of the entities these Qitems describe - wiki categories? A Wikiproject category is not a Wikidata entity, but Wikidata describes them. They have specific labels. Just as you can't change the name of a book or a taxon, you shouldn't change the names of fixed wiki pages until change the actual name of it. Categories are not free concepts that exist outside of wikiprojects, allowing for flexible titles. Without links to categories in wikiprojects, these items shouldn't be created on Wikidata. Even entities with only links to commons are not allowed on Wikidata. These items should be characterized by their actual titles first, not by anything you come up with, except for a few cases where errors are obvious or also such cases where you have to assume that both categories may soexist on wikipedia or commons. It's just a logical approach. And what justifies your approach? Solidest (talk) 16:13, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

The simple question was, where you got your statement WD engine does not allow to enter identical names for categories. A link where you found it is sufficient. No long texts needed. --Florentyna (talk) 16:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

You can try to set two categories to have the same names + the same descriptions in the same language. The engine will not allow you to do this and will give you an error.

Do you need any clarification for this answer? Solidest (talk) 16:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, where is this stated here on Wikidata? I do not need your personal meaning, but a Wikidata rule, to apply this rule in the future. --Florentyna (talk) 16:24, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I hope you don't want me to look up mediawiki/wikibase documentation for you, but the wikidata help has such lines here too:

But note that for other client wiki namespaces like "Category" and "Template" the labels should be identical to sitelinks (the disambiguation parts shouldn't be removed), as these types of pages usually have only one common type of descriptions and there may occur API errors of non-unique pair consisting of label + description when trying to set descriptions to other items. Solidest (talk) 16:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I cannot believe that this is agreed by the community, it was added without discussion, source and explanation by a currently not more active user. Very suspicious. This should be reverted or at least discussed. --Florentyna (talk) 16:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

You don't need the community agreement with the way the site has been technically implemented for many years (and that is generally the norm for such databases or any wikis). There is nothing suspicious about this norm and the rules should not be reverted. These lines simply come from the obvious way of things, which for some reason is not clear or obvious to you - I remind you that what you are doing with categories about badminton - nobody else on wikidata is doing anywhere else (on a massive scale). But you can indeed start a discussion to change that norm. I doubt that technically it will be implemented (knowing the practice of implementing such changes), but at least you can listen to other people's opinions about it. Solidest (talk) 17:38, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

I won't be undoing the edits on the tournament, but I also won't filter badminton topics anymore in the next mass edits of titles (I'm gradually cleaning up duplicates). So I suggest you rename the categories on enwiki and commons first, and leave the category labels on WD to the bots. Solidest (talk) 17:41, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Pawel Popov (Q111493559) and Yury Stepanov (Q111506935) Chuvash enc id

There was no reason for reverting my valid edits. Both pairs have the same last name + first name, same birthdate, occupation in badminton, musculoskeletal impairments, region of origin. If chuvash encyclopedia temporarily doesn't work, here are archived articles: СТЕПАНОВ Юрий ПОПОВ Павел Podbrushkin (talk) 08:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Image of Henderson

Hello Can you tell me why did you reverted my edit? Because I am quite sure that this is not image of Marje Henderson. PMG (talk) 13:46, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

It is correct, that you removed "depicts" on Commons, but here it is correct because it is an image about MH. --Florentyna (talk) 13:49, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Need to merge

Hi Florentyna.. please help me to merge this Q124219188 and Q130245226. Thanks Stvbastian (talk) 15:38, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

Why did you create the duplicate item of Sameera?

Why was Q123668522 created? Rigth now it doesn't seem to be used. StarTrekker (talk) 00:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Mass-reverting

Please stop mass-reverting. Some tips:

Wikipedias should be not used as sources
statement that "human" is obvious, no need a reference
residence needs a reference, and for athlete is redundant info
please use common sense at human entities (e.g. that male or female should be not referenced via a Wikipedia)

Estopedist1 (talk) 20:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Please stop telling non-sense and vandalizing. --Florentyna (talk) 03:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

also there is no need to reference if we are dealing with occupations, unless it is disputable (e.g. someone is a psychic etc.) and in general "sport" is also obvious and no need to add references there. It is just infoclutter nothing more.

Why do you think my previous comments are nonsense and vandalizing? Estopedist1 (talk) 09:26, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Mul label

Hallo @Florentyna: Please check your edits on the following items: Q65807446; Q65807447; Q65807444; Q65807445; Q65807450; Q65807448; Q65807449; Q27824747; Q79074998; Q123171333; Q130297068; Q65689153; Q65682087; Q65770974; Q65807434; Q65807435; Q65807433; Q65807438; Q65807439; Q65807436; Q65807437; Q65807443; Q65807440 and Q65807441. Danke! Madamebiblio (talk) 18:48, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying. --Florentyna (talk) 19:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)