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Best regards! --Bill william compton (talk) 03:09, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Dear Orijentolog, I have separated empires from dynasties. What is the problem that you are reverting them without having a discussion or simply asking why I did this? --Լևոն Հարությունյան (talk) 07:03, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Լևոն Հարությունյան, this is not the first time that someone is doing the same mistake, Serbo-Croatian term "monarhija" does not imply an empire. --Orijentolog (talk) 07:06, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Really? I thought it comes from monarch, and monarchy is a state, not dynasty. Sorry for the mistake.--Լևոն Հարությունյան (talk) 07:08, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

Please merge instead of emptying duplicates

Hi,

I see that you emptied two items: Ibrahim Khan Madrasa (Q5864388) and Ganjali Khan Hammam (Q5959279). This is not the correct way to handle duplicate items. Please don't blank item and merge them instead (I did it for these items), you can look at Help:Merge for more explanations.

Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 16:20, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

VIGNERON, thanks for the info, I probably did the same thing tens of times in past several months, I was thinking that empty duplicates are solved automatically (by bot). --Orijentolog (talk) 16:01, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Baloch Got castle And Pirouz Got castle

Hi, I created these two articles on the English wiki But I doubt my translation is correct Please do a review, thank you :) POS78 (talk) 10:17, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Aras dam or Araz power plant or a mix of all

Hi@Orijentolog: Of course, the easiest way is everey time to revert without talking to each other. But is it the best way in a common project???? The problem behind in our different thinking about this subject could be the mix of dam and power plant. A dam has NO electrical power, but you can read in Q3380358 the power of this "dam" is 44 MW. WOW. - So, if you are well-versed in WData, you could create two different subjects, and no problems are anymore. In other case, the next user will come ... No interest to have an edit war. But in wikimedia.commons, there are so many different stupid misspelling names of Azerbaijan subjects (with proper names) and so many own creating names (maybe should be English, but isn't always and sometimes a spelling mix) - many subjects are not to find, and other subjects have two cats. The strange thing: Although Azerbaijani has a Latin letter alphabet. And naturally, photographers from Azerbaijan very often write categories in there own language. As we do it in other languages with Latin letters alphabet. (I unify at the moment AZ district and city cats in wikimedia.commons before I am going to categorise uncategorised AZ photographs. Should be usable for visitors and new photographers. Media to collect has no sense without unsability.) Hope you understand what I did, and what you could do in my opinion, and why. Of course, your decision. - Best regards and sorry for poor English. Tozina (talk) 18:35, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Arg of Kashmar

Hi, I created the Arg of Kashmar article on the English[1] and Arabic[2] wiki But I am blocked in Persian Wikipedia, Can you create this article in Persian wiki as well? Thank you POS78 (talk) 14:17, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Kashmar

Hi, Isn't this image better for Kashmar wikidata? POS78 (talk) 10:26, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Cyrus the Great

Why do you insist that this image be used? I think this image is weak! POS78 (talk) 18:48, 29 May 2021 (UTC)

Akhund Mosque (Gerash) and Seven Ab Anbars (Gerash)

Hi. I changed the images of two wikidata item's (Akhund Mosque (Gerash) and Seven Ab Anbars (Gerash)) to a better image recently, but you reverted them. I think that new images were better. If you disagree with me, please explain your reason. Very thanks. Kadamoo (talk) 17:31, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Call for participation in the interview study with Wikidata editors

Dear Orijentolog,

I hope you are doing good,

I am Kholoud, a researcher at King’s College London, and I work on a project as part of my PhD research that develops a personalized recommendation system to suggest Wikidata items for the editors based on their interests and preferences. I am collaborating on this project with Elena Simperl and Miaojing Shi.

I would love to talk with you to know about your current ways to choose the items you work on in Wikidata and understand the factors that might influence such a decision. Your cooperation will give us valuable insights into building a recommender system that can help improve your editing experience.

Participation is completely voluntary. You have the option to withdraw at any time. Your data will be processed under the terms of UK data protection law (including the UK General Data Protection Regulation (UK GDPR) and the Data Protection Act 2018). The information and data that you provide will remain confidential; it will only be stored on the password-protected computer of the researchers. We will use the results anonymized to provide insights into the practices of the editors in item selection processes for editing and publish the results of the study to a research venue. If you decide to take part, we will ask you to sign a consent form, and you will be given a copy of this consent form to keep.

If you’re interested in participating and have 15-20 minutes to chat (I promise to keep the time!), please either contact me at kholoudsaa@gmail.com or kholoud.alghamdi@kcl.ac.uk or use this form https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdmmFHaiB20nK14wrQJgfrA18PtmdagyeRib3xGtvzkdn3Lgw/viewform?usp=sf_link with your choice of the times that work for you.

I’ll follow up with you to figure out what method is the best way for us to connect.

Please contact me if you have any questions or require more information about this project.

Thank you for considering taking part in this research.

Regards

Kholoudsaa (talk) 22:15, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Iranarchpedia

@Orijentolog: Can you find the file? See also here. Thanks {{User|POS78}} ^talk 11:29, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

@POS78: I fixed all three fire temples, which you and others confused. By edits like this you're making a big damage. Avoid it in future! Have you been making similar changes on other items? If you did, inform me that I fix such mistakes. --Orijentolog (talk) 00:19, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

@Orijentolog: I do not remember. Thank you very much

I'm working on this list and it really confused me! And I'm still confused. ::Please see the second and third rows (معبد بردنشانده and روستای تاریخی بتوند). And now look here and here. :(

Also look at these two lists (1 and 2) {{User|POS78}} ^talk 07:08, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

@POS78: I moved conversation here, because it's not relevant for the item and later it will be impossible to find it. Regarding the Bardneshandeh Temple, I can not find where it is because there's no any civilized description about it. --Orijentolog (talk) 02:45, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

OK. What should we do now? {{User|POS78}} ^talk 04:06, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

@POS78: we do as we always do: I search more carefully, therefore as almost always, I found it! :) --Orijentolog (talk) 14:33, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Your work is the best. :) But you are the strangest to me! Really, why did you choose Iran? You have given us a great honor, Croatian man. {{User|POS78}} ^talk 15:18, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

@POS78: heyli mamnun. I chose Iran so I can "annoy" you! :) Otherwise you could make a thousand mistakes, and no one would notice. :) Just joking, it's a long story. By the way, please merge this two items on Persian Wikipedia: بنای ساسانی & کاخ بیستون. --Orijentolog (talk) 13:38, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

I will answer later. {{User|POS78}} ^talk 19:25, 10 February 2022 (UTC)

@Shobhe: Can you do it? (please merge this two items on Persian Wikipedia: بنای ساسانی & کاخ بیستون). Thanks {{User|POS78}} ^talk 16:10, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

@POS78@OrijentologHello. Done. Shobhe (talk) 10:42, 18 February 2022 (UTC)

Names

Hi

In Persian language, some names are made from combination of 2 names. Like MohammadAli محمدعلی is a combination Mohammad محمد and Ali علی. You can ask that from any Persian speaking persian. Therefore "MohammadAli" is one word and "Mohammad Ali" is wrong. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 22:22, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

I like to know what is the source for such naming system. I guess someone made such an incorrect naming and everyone followed him. The reason for writing "MohammadAli" is to indicate that this name is a combination of two names and pronunciation is different. After "Mohammad" there is a syllabus then "Ali". Writing "Mohammadail" doesn't indicate that. Same for "Molkaraei" that should be "MolkAraei". Time to correct something that is wrong. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 22:52, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

In Persian "Pesar Ammeh Za" is clearly incorrect, as "PesarAmmeh" is clearly one word and there must be a syllabus after "Pesar" and before "Ammeh". Reading "Pessarammeh" is definitely incorrect.

Again ask that from any Persian Language speaking person. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 23:07, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

"Kazerun" is wrong as "u" is highly likely to be read like "u" in "run" like "aa" as "Kazeraan". But it should be read like "ou" in "would" or "oo" in "Moon". "Kazeroun" is the most correct form, "Kazeroon" is the second most, and "Kazerun" should be the last. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 23:14, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

In "Leila Zare", "Zare" is wrong as it could be read as "Zeir". "Zareh" is correct. Please refer to all other Persian names and correct this mistake. Like "Ammeh" in "Pesar Ammeh Za" Shkuru Afshar (talk) 11:33, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

"Mehdi Fat'hi" is the correct dictate as "h" should be read like "h" in "half". At least this system should be applied to "Pesar Ammeh Za" and changed to "Pesar'ammeh Za". Otherwise everyone reads it as a non-stop continuous word. Another example "Fardin Khal'atbari". Shkuru Afshar (talk) 11:43, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

In "Arash Mo'ayerian" I added an apostrophe after "o" because there is a syllabus after "o" and "a" should be read like "a" in "apple". Otherwise, people read is as "oa" in "soap". Shkuru Afshar (talk) 12:30, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

In Enligsh the letter "ق" at the beginning of the word is written by "Q". Examples: Qazvin and Qatar. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 12:53, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

As you can see in Shahab Hosseini, there is a double "s" in the middle of the name. That is to prevent mistakenly getting pronounced like "z" and stress that it should be pronounced like "s" not "z", specially in Canadian accent. Fortunately, I didn't name that page. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 22:03, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

Tell me how do you pronunciate "Zare"? Zeir or Zaareh or any other form? Shkuru Afshar (talk) 10:20, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

I am still waiting for your answer for my question: How do you pronunciate "Zare"? Zeir or Zaareh or any other form?

You said "MohammadReza" should be written as "Mohammad-Reza". On the contrary to that, why you changed "Pak-Niat" to "Pak Niat"? Writing as "Pak-Niat" indicates that these words are one word (surename). "Pak Niat" signs "Pak" and "Niat" are separate parts of the name. Writing "Mahmoud Pak Niat" can cause this mistake that "Pak" will be identified as the middle name. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 00:30, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

Why you deleted different spelling of Mahmoud (Mahmud: Mahmud Hotaki (Q31494))? Shkuru Afshar (talk) 00:31, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

In some cases I followed English Wiki titles, especially if they're supported by more sources, that's why. --Orijentolog (talk) 00:36, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

How about Pak-Niat?

But no issue about it, freely add "-" in Pak-Niat. --Orijentolog (talk) 00:40, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

حذف توضیح کوتاه مقاله مهسا امینی

درود. دلیل حذف ویرایش من در [توضیح کوتاه] مقاله مهسا امینی چیست؟ Mostafamirchouli (talk) 08:58, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

NPOV. --Orijentolog (talk) 10:32, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Category:Zoroastrianism in Iran by province

Category:Zoroastrianism in Iran by province не может содержать Zoroastrianism, потому что весь зороастризм в Iran или любую его провинцию не помещается, а для части (составного элемента) нет соответствующего элемента Викиданных (Qxxxxxxxxx). Большая просьба больше не возвращать свойство category contains в Q98536460. 2) То же самое по другим категориям: вся религия не может поместиться в государство, город, провинцию Ирана, а ссылка на религию есть в свойстве category combines topics. Google translate: Category:Zoroastrianism in Iran by province cannot contain Zoroastrianism, because the whole of Zoroastrianism cannot be placed in Iran or any of its provinces, and there is no corresponding Wikidata element for a part (composite element) (Qxxxxxxxxx). A big request is not to return the category contains property in Q98536460 anymore. 2) The same for other categories: the whole religion cannot fit into the state, city, province of Iran, and there is a reference to religion in the category combines topics property. Ыфь77 (talk) 12:35, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

That's something new to me. There are thousands of examples of "Category:People from CITY" having category contains "human" so you're claiming it's all wrong? Please show me some guidelines which support you claim. Orijentolog (talk) 12:59, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

Человек (human) — element люди (Homo sapiens sapiens), а зороастризм — само set: храмов, священнослужителей, священных текстов, верующих и пр., хотя и является подмножеством от religion. И всё это множество не может содержаться в категории, там могут содержаться исключительно отдельные элементы множества, в данном случае для которых нет и не может быть создано элемента Викиданных в виду их разнородности. Почувствуйте разницу. Google translate: Man (human) is an element of the set of people (Homo sapiens sapiens), but Zoroastrianism is the set itself: temples, priests, sacred texts, believers, etc., although it is a subset of religion. And all this set cannot be contained in a category, there may be individual elements of the set for which there is not and cannot be created a Wikidata element due to their heterogeneity. Feel the difference. --Ыфь77 (talk) 13:47, 14 April 2023 (UTC)

So you want to say that set can not be "localized" by location? Furthermore, I see no logic in your cutting "Islam in Iran by province" to "islam", "Iran" and "by province", instead of "islam in Iran" and "by province". Orijentolog (talk) 21:34, 15 April 2023 (UTC)

a) Про законам логики множество не может полностью помещено в пределах территории, если существуют элементы множества за его пределами. В большинстве случаев с религиями так — есть последователи в диаспорах, границы государств изменились с момента оформления религии в её нынешнем виде и другие причины, в частности с зороастризмом так: есть верующие в других государствах. b) Нет религии «ислам в Иране», есть мировая религия ислам, которая распространяется в том числе и на Иран, поэтому Вы искусственно (и неправильно) сужаете одну часть в свойстве category combines topics. Взгляните на карту масхабов (madhhab): Commons:Category:Madhhab, там что в Иране не только шиизм, но и другие течения ислама (Islamic denomination), свойственные не только для Ирана, поэтому в категориях типа "Islam in Iran by province" должно быть 3 части: весь ислам (Islam), весь Иран (Iran) и уточнение «по провинциям». Google translate: a) According to the laws of logic, the set cannot be completely placed within the territory if there are elements of the set outside it. In most cases, this is the case with religions — there are followers in diasporas, the borders of states have changed since the registration of religion in its current form and other reasons, in particular with Zoroastrianism: there are believers in other states. b) There is no religion "Islam in Iran", there is a world religion Islam, which also applies to Iran, so you artificially (and incorrectly) narrow down one part in the category combines topics property. Take a look at the map of the maskhabs: Commons:Category:Madhhab, there is not only Shiism in Iran, but also other currents of Islam peculiar not only to Iran, therefore, in categories like "Islam in Iran by province" there should be 3 parts: all Islam, all Iran, and clarification "by provinces". --Ыфь77 (talk) 15:44, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Your explanation makes zero sense because the category name is "Islam in Iran by province" and you're speaking about diaspora (?!). Orijentolog (talk) 20:50, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

Вы ведёте себя деструктивно, вырывая фразы из контекста: "диаспора" в части (a) иллюстрировала, что многие религии нельзя уместить в одном государстве, а "Islam in Iran by province" находится в части (b) и к диаспоре отношения не имеет. Google translate: You behave destructively, taking phrases out of context: the "diaspora" in part (a) illustrated that many religions cannot fit in one state, and "Islam in Iran by province" is in part (b) and has nothing to do with the diaspora. --Ыфь77 (talk) 11:25, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Take it easy my dear colleague, perhaps it's just Google Translate. :) You could be right, and also not. I'll ask some admin about the issue because I see one guy was also asking on talk page "category combines topics" about it, but got no answer. I made few hundreds of such metacats in past three years and if I'm wrong, I'll gladly correct all myself. OK? Orijentolog (talk) 16:00, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Ок. Я тоже хотел бы позвать независимого эксперта. Google translate: Ok. I would also like to call an independent expert. --Ыфь77 (talk) 14:31, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

District 5, Iran

Hi! Thank you for creating District 5 (Q106285683). Do you know its inception (P571)? Kareyac (talk) 03:46, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kareyac: as I understood from the website, inception (P571) is 1971 (1350 SH), but the current borders are from 2007 (1386 SH) when District 13 was separated. --Orijentolog (talk) 04:00, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, it helps to hide wrong geochains in hyWP. - Kareyac (talk) 04:08, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kareyac: you're welcome, nothing. I guess it has to do something with New Julfa (Q1711781) which is part of District 5, right? I edited some 20 related sites both here on Wikidata and on Commons, all is strictly referenced so such data with links appear on hy.wiki. :) --Orijentolog (talk) 04:17, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

@Kareyac: P.S. Please insert Armenian names of Safavid architecture (Q5957125), Qajar architecture (Q5718239) and so on, because at the moment they appear on hy.wiki infoboxes in English. --Orijentolog (talk) 04:20, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

You're right. People born in New Julfa (Q1711781) centuries ago were connected with modern administrative unit in infoboxes.

Translation  Done. - Kareyac (talk) 04:45, 2 May 2023 (UTC)

Cyrus the Great (Q5686978)

Hi

File:Olympic Park Cyrus.jpg is not a proper image for the item, as it is just the top part of the whole statue. File:Cyrus The Great Monument-NE to SW view (1)-Cropped.jpg is a better picture. Because, it illustrates the whole statue. Shkuru Afshar (talk) 09:06, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

I fixed dear Shkuru Afshar. :) Please don't mind my accidental revert, it was a mistake and I reverted myself. By the way, strictly scientifically speaking, that relief don't show any "Cyrus" at all, but a winged genius. --Orijentolog (talk) 17:13, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you :) Shkuru Afshar (talk) 21:43, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Reverting sitelink names from category items labels

Greetings. Just wanted to say that you are doing a dubious job of rolling back the labels of category items that match to the only English sitelink. We have it in the rules that category items label must match sitelinks - see the last sentence here. So the only solution is to rename the category in Commons, or leave them as they are on Wikidata. As the next time bots will do such batches, these changes will be repeated and you probably won't be like having to repeat these rollbacks every time. Solidest (talk) 18:02, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

P.S. Looking at your recent edits - we also have point 4 in Wikidata:Notability, which prohibits the creation of category items with only a single sitelink - to Commons. Solidest (talk) 18:12, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

It is not possible to change categories on Commons because the standard naming there is "People of CITY" & "Buildings in CITY", while on English Wikipedia it's "People from CITY" & "Buildings and structures in CITY". For years, I was trying hard to fix and interconnect proper English and Persian items, both present and future, and thanks to your bot changes there would be a lot of duplicates on Wikidata in future. It was a very bad idea to change it and I suggest you to stop it further. No one did such changes for many years, until you came. The last sentence in first link does not imply Wikidata items should be matched with Commons (if Wiki category is not yet opened) at all, that's misunderstanding. The newly opened items are intended for future Wiki sitelinks so no one complained about it. Orijentolog (talk) 01:18, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

1. A category on Wikidata is a description of a page on external wiki projects. Their title is their own name, think of it as the title of an item with p31=scholary article, where even misspelled titles are left as is. And that's why the sentence in the first link implies that the title of the item should be identical to any English link attached to the item. I don't think categories should be positioned as unrelated to Wiki free concepts, where we can choose whatever title we want. And that's why the rule on the first link exists. It's not strict, but it's generally followed. Breaking it is what actually what produces duplicates at mass, not the other way around. While any alternatives will be properly placed in aliases. This rule doesn't separate wiki and commons categories, it only talks about sitelinks, which also applies to Commons. In this case, it is your actions that contradict the rule, not mine, and there is no need for me to be called upon to stop fixing these issues after you. Moreover, thanks to my bot edits, I have already found and merged over 5k duplicate categories (and there are still about 1.2k left due to a lot of duplicates Arabic Wiki categories). Not to mention that several tens of thousands of categories on enwiki were renamed, and no one on WD was keeping track of that. Your concerns about future duplicates are more likely to be solved also by automation, rather than such manual titles replacements as you do, which would help in 1 out of 100 cases, while the rest 99 case will be automated. I don't actually mind on your reverts, but it might be easier for you to come up with some other tactics, maybe even discuss these rules on the forum if they seem wrong to you.

2. There is no description or statement in the rules about preparing items for future categories. Empty category items are considered non-notable for Wikidata. Category items with only a Commons link are also considered non-notable and should be deleted (they are as actually regularly nominated for deletion or merged with non-category items as you should probably have seen). No one has raised any complaints, since it doesn't actually bother anyone. And I don't really insist on it either. But it is a formal reason for deletion. And if there is a misunderstanding here, it is obvious on your part, as this rule is clear as day. Solidest (talk) 04:01, 24 July 2024 (UTC)

In that case, I don't mind at all. I'm actually very happy and grateful that you merged that much non-Latin duplicates! It's generally a nightmare and I was doing it manually. If you plan to repeat the process with bot, is it possible that at least it put the existing label as "also known as"? I believe it would be helpful. And yes, I'm aware of that rule but it really shouldn't be taken too much strictly. I have many reasons for it and if needed, I'll explain more. There were proposals that Wikidata has an item for every single Commons category, including things like Category:Brown umbrellas in London or Category:Polo shirts in Hong Kong, and that's indeed nonsense. Thank you once again. --Orijentolog (talk) 04:48, 24 July 2024 (UTC)