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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:09, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cor Fijneman

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Article contains original research and the references do not indicate significant third-party notability, which is not enough to pass WP:MUSIC. Hakken (talk) 21:58, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:08, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Zesle

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No non-primary sources, and I can't find any reliable sources that cover it. Non-notable. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 21:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Article was indeed speedily deleted, making this moot. (non-admin close) Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:14, 15 December 2016 (UTC) [reply]

Serplogic

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Delete: This article does not have any independent reliable sources, as Serplogic is NOT a notable brand or website for inclusion in Wikipedia. Of the three references, one is a press release. Please delete this article.

Strong Delete: After reviewing the website of Serplogic, I found that they "sell Wikipedia pages", and editorial links (pay-to-play), which is against TOS of all news websites they are selling. Also, the website has no notability, aside from one news link they purchased, in which still shows no impact the site's made to be worthy of article space. Furthermore, the fact that this subject sells Wikipedia pages, I think Serplogic should be blacklisted from Wiki for deceitful practices. "AJ Agrawal" from Inc, he is a well-known pay-to-play contributing author who gives editorial links to random people in exchange for money. "Tommy Macdonald" upon doing research I found that his business is solely run by pay-to-play services with unethical writers who are desperate for money. Additionally, the Digital Journal article is a press release - press releases are not reliable sources. Tech Cocktail isn't a reliable source either. Macdonald also has a ton of disputes on ripoff report claiming he has scammed people and sells blackhat services to manipulate Google's SEO algorithm. Macdonald is lucky Google hasn't penalized his website, that's until someone snitches. I don't think anything else should be said except: speedy deletion. Scorpion293 (talk) 19:54, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: This article should be speedy deleted A7, and not wait for the AfD process.--Jersey92 (talk) 04:36, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedily deleted by RHaworth. (non-admin closure)—UY Scuti Talk 18:24, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Skam Impaired

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I cannot find reliable sources about this band. (See the notability requirements for musicians and bands) The only thing resembling third-party coverage is this but I don't think it qualifies as reliable since it's a wiki. (They also have a Discogs discography, a Facebook, a bandcamp and so on) Pichpich (talk) 20:51, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  10:48, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

American influence in the Honduran general election, 2009

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As far as I can tell, this is not a notable topic. It has been touched upon very recently because of the Russian intervention in the 2016 United States presidential election, but otherwise seems to fails WP:GNG. I see no reason why this can't be covered in a couple of sentences at Honduran general election, 2009, once the gratuitous Hillary swipes are removed. - MrX 20:45, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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To address this concern, I've removed every personal name from the article, except those of Honduran politicians. BlueSalix (talk) 19:56, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Is that really necessary? Guccisamsclub (talk) 02:06, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I see this "POVFORK" thing mentioned several times, but it strikes me that a POV fork implies there's another article differing only in presenting the opposite point of view. I don't think anyone has yet set down the opposing point of view in those articles - nobody is denying the U.S. had influence that I know of - and if we had such an article to point at it would be easier to decide how to merge this. We have a lot of messy organizations of multiple articles about many topics, but calling them a "POV fork" doesn't help sort them out. Wnt (talk) 14:47, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, despite your claim, this is directly mentioned in Honduran general election, 2009 ("While some regional nations did not accept the election as valid, others including the United States have supported its legitimacy....Bertha Oliva of COFADEH criticised the United States government for stating that Honduras could hold 'free elections in less than three weeks' when 'Hondurans [were being] subjected to arbitrary arrest, the closure of independent media, police beatings, torture and even killings by security forces'"). It's mentioned even more extensively in several of the five other articles relating to the Honduran election (Honduras–United States relations has a full cited paragraph on it). If you think that the content should be expanded or changed, then feel free to do that — but don't pretend that this isn't or couldn't be addressed elsewhere, because it is.
Also, it is not very helpful to misrepresent the views of other editors. Neither I nor any other editor "demanded" that readers go to Hillary Clinton political positions page. Rather, we have pointed out that the U.S.'s role in the 2009 Honduran political crisis is covered in multiple articles from multiple perspectives, and we don't need this blatant POVFORK. Neutralitytalk 20:02, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What POV is this exactly forking? Just because an article may not show the U.S. in a shimmering golden light, the great white savior of western civilization, does not constitute NPOV if it's sourced and factual and represents a self-contained subject, as this does. Let me guess, you also want to delete United States war crimes and merge it into the respective war articles as a POV Fork? With all due respect, I don't think WP:POVFORK means what you think it means. BlueSalix (talk) 23:53, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's clear that you're coming at this from an ideologically-laden standpoint, so I'm not sure further back-and-forth would be productive at all. But to be very clear: it is a POV fork because (a) it was created, by you, to be a counterpoint to the Russia article, and (b) because the sources do not reflect that the U.S. meddled in the elections. The sources seem to reflect that the U.S. did accept the coup after the fact, but I haven't see any source that frames the issue as "U.S. influence on the election." You seem to basically be trying to shoehorn in the facts and sources to fit your new article title. Neutralitytalk 00:11, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I assume you have proof of my motivation (i.e. diffs), or is this just a shotgun personal attack to see what you can get to stick? It seems to me you're coming at this from an ideologically laden, pro-America, standpoint. You haven't advanced a rational, policy-based argument, only impugned my motivations without diffs to subject us to some kind-of patriotic, flag-waving exercise to get rid-of articles that don't portray the U.S. as a shining defender of freedom because ... 'murica! (AKA - WP:IDONTLIKEIT) And, you've rallied your ideological compatriots - and their freshly minted, 3-week old accounts who have all the edit patterns indicative of paid editors - into some kind-of marauding band of Wikilantes that have been tearing through AfDs. BlueSalix (talk) 00:13, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
None of that was relevant to what I asked (and is mostly a pretty silly personal attack on me). I'll ask again. (1) Do you have significant, reliable sources that frame the issue as "U.S. influence on the election"? Not U.S. support for legitimizing the post-coup government, not U.S. deliberations on the legality of the coup, but "U.S. influence on the election"? (2) Is there any reason whatsoever to think that the content of this article could not be placed in one of the 5-6 other relevant articles? that I've identified above Neutralitytalk 00:32, 14 December 2016 (UTC
And P.S.: for the record, I do resent your claim that I've "rallied" anybody, much less "compatriots" (who are somehow both "paid" and "ideological"). It's an unambiguous personal attack, it's wrong, and it poisons discussion. So please don't do it. Neutralitytalk 00:58, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It's hardly a personal attack on you; what is a personal attack is your un-diffed claim about me that "it's clear that you're coming at this from an ideologically-laden standpoint." BlueSalix (talk) 23:01, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
(A) It is a personal attack to baselessly accuse an editor of having "rallied his paid, ideological compatriots" to an article.
(B) As to the "ideologically laden" statement: I think it's quite reasonable to interpret your comments on this very thread as such (i.e., overwrought references to "McCarthyism" (diff); claims that editors who reasonably disagree with you are somehow complicit in a "patriotic, flag-waving exercise" to portray the U.S. as a "shimmering golden light, the great white savior of western civilization."). My statement that this language is ideologically laden and unhelpful was not meant to be a knock on you, but as a comment that discussions are not productive when we resort to caricatures.
(C) But I want to go back to the merits of the deletion discussion. I asked these questions above, but received no response: (1) Do you have significant, reliable sources that frame the issue as "U.S. influence on the election"? Not U.S. support for legitimizing the post-coup government, not U.S. deliberations on the legality of the coup, but "U.S. influence on the election"? (2) Is there any reason whatsoever to think that the content of this article could not be placed in one of the 5-6 other relevant articles? Neutralitytalk 23:34, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
BlueSalix, I'm convinced that you created this article as a counterpoint to 2016 United States election interference by Russia, and there is evidence to back that up, for example this wantonly POV edit. Your above comment attacking Neutrality and obliquely attacking other editors is way out of bounds. - MrX 00:53, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What does that show, exactly? I stand-by that edit (added when the article was called "fake news" not "fake news websites" as it's since been renamed). It was reverted before a source [1] could be added. But, regardless, it has nothing to do with Honduras. BlueSalix (talk) 23:01, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And yet another month-old account two-week old account flocking to this AfD to !vote "Delete." I'm not a suspicious person, but ... it's like you guys aren't even trying to look legit at the dozens of articles you're purging and massaging right now. Too funny. BlueSalix (talk) 23:58, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I read the article. Don't worry. And, well, I may be new, but I think I know what I'm doing.(Oh, and, what does 'massaging' mean in this context?)--Yellow Diamond (talk) 21:10, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment — I'll look at this more carefully shortly, but my first impression would be to merge as a subsection into the Controversies section of the Honduran general election, 2009 article or have it stand as its own top level section in that article; the title should remain as a redirect to the new section, and all supporting material should be merged in with a significant reduction in composed text. There is no reason for outright deletion. --User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 00:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. That's rad—Sagecandor—to compare a historical page about 2009 with one about the elections a few weeks ago. I accuse you of stirring the pot, sir Sage & sir Salix. As BlueSalix said it's a shame not to have any of the tight prose and good refs from here in this article, which needs its refs properly developed. Where do I get this "ref-fill" gizmo robot vaccuum tube anyway, User:Sagecandor? You just used it at PropOrNot, I saw you. ^^ I see Neutrality's here. again. Hello, User:Neutrality. Someday on the talk page, the title of the page should be discussed. US influence or American influence? But definitely before deciding where the content should go, it should be collected somewhere other than primarily on HRC's political position's page. ^^ SashiRolls (talk) 01:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep the topic is covered in numerous sources. Clearly the only reason why this is pegged for deletion, while 2016 United States election interference by Russia) is not, is flagrant WP:SYSTEMICBIAS. In the latter case, we're talking about troll armies and credible hacking allegations. In the former case, we're are talking about abetting a coup and facilitating a post-coup transition, after decades treating the country and the region as a backyard. Guccisamsclub (talk) 02:02, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The only reason why this article is tagged is that someone nominated it for deletion. You or any other Wikipedia editor can nominate the other one if you want, and then they will have the same fun as people are having here. But ... this one was more eligible, as it goes, because less had been done with it so far - articles often stay merged simply because nobody has built them big enough to be worth separating. It was also sort of created to make a point, I suspect. And the foreign influence in Honduras was more explicitly multinational via the OAS, making the selection of a single foreign country more questionable than in the U.S. where a joint statement of many intelligence agencies pointed the finger at just one country. Wnt (talk) 14:53, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This is maybe a paragraph or two in another article, not this WP:POVFORK. Ratatosk Jones (talk) 05:16, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I think this article is rather poorly written right now. It is not particularly easy to evaluate an article when even the opening sentence is rather poor, and as someone not previously versed in the topic, I am left wondering if a title along the lines of "US American influence in the Honduras post-coup transition 2009" would be better. I also see the poor state of the article carrying over into this debate, which has been substandard in my opinion. For instance, those alleging a POV fork did not state which article is being forked - I see several articles in the general topic area being mentioned, but other articles in the same topic area existing are not a strong argument for deletion. This article has a unique focus in terms of the two countries involved (US and Honduras), the time frame (2009) and the location (Honduras). This focus matches what is set out in the Guardian, NYT, WaPo and Harvard Political Review sources. This establishes notability and mandates that we develop this article in a balanced way. The details should be determined via BRD and the talk page in the first instance. Samsara 09:38, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete obvious POV fork. Jytdog (talk) 11:10, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep but discuss merges. AFD sometimes gives "merge" as a result, but in this case it is not obvious how best to organize the content - merge to what? It isn't necessary to delete any edits here so only admins can see them, and I think people can settle a merge discussion either on the talk page or through the contested merges process. I think, at least in this instance, the focus of this article can readily be broadened to all foreign influence, since it is silly to have the OAS almost condemning the election be relevant only in the sense that the U.S. opposed that. A simple rename of the standalone article to "Foreign influence in...", with accompanying broadening of focus, might be merge enough. Or that could become a section in the election or constitutional crisis article. Wnt (talk) 14:42, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
agree the page needs renaming and could eventually be merged elsewhere. Agree that foreign influence is a better idea, seeing the discussion of the DEA's subsequent role, the Inter-American Development Bank's subsequent role[1] and the US-friendly oligarch Miguel Facussé Barjum's role in the coup. -- SashiRolls (talk) 17:39, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Frank, Dana (March 9, 2015). "Just Like Old Times in Central America". Foreign Policy. Retrieved December 14, 2016.
Oh oh, looks like the renamed villagers are getting out their forks. sigh. SashiRolls (talk) 16:48, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Not helpful. WP:NPA comment like this that does not focus on the content discussion. Sagecandor (talk) 18:18, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
SashiRolls: This is an unambiguous and unhelpful personal attack. You've been cautioned about this in the past. Please stop. Neutralitytalk 18:45, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm unarmed, Neutrality, I didn't even bring a spoon. SashiRolls (talk) 19:05, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Sashi, you might want to strike that personal attacks.Volunteer Marek (talk) 03:18, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Done, I also warned another editor on another article concerning what I think you'll agree can more seriously be considered personal attacks: here
I'll see if I can find you a Dana Frank article that isn't also focused on calling out presidential candidates for their misleading statements. I think there's one in Foreign Policy, too from a while back that supports the same claim. When I arrived there was no mention of the School of the Americas or of the continued military assistance, which along with US opposition to the OAS' desire to condemn the election are indeed worthy of note. The US did interfere post-coup by continuing their military assistance whereas the US Congress had passed legislation explicitly forbidding it in case of a military coup. SashiRolls (talk) 16:42, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No, it appears she only mentions Section 7008 of the State and Foreign Operations Appropriations Act of 2009 in this article, she doesn't specifically mention it in other articles I've checked. By the way, Space4_tl I've decided to improve the article since the text will likely end up somewhere. Could you please be so kind as to list any and all of the "misquoted sources" you found below? Thanks. SashiRolls (talk) 17:08, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You write "The US did interfere post-coup by continuing their military assistance." What does this have to "U.S. election influence"? If there is content on U.S. aid, the controversy surrounding it, or any U.S. reaction/role in the coup, then this content belongs at (and in some cases is already at) Honduras–United States relations; 2009 Honduran constitutional crisis; Chronology of the 2009 Honduran constitutional crisis; International reaction to the 2009 Honduran coup d'état, 2009 Honduran coup d'état, etc. Not at this newly created page. Neutralitytalk 18:45, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Of course the plane taking the deposed president to Costa Rica did refuel in a US air-force base and the US did break the OAS's will to oppose the election which nobody on the continent really wanted. Curious about this Arcadia foundation that Zelaya blames. Is http://arcadiafoundation.org/?p=3247 an RS on es.wikipedia.org ? ^^ SashiRolls (talk) 19:01, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the allegation that someone started this due to the Dem primary is not a good argument for deletion. The topic was and remains independently notable regardless of US politicking; in fact it's no longer brought up by US politicians at all, which will help editors focus on the topic of US-Honduras relations rather than partisan bickering. Guccisamsclub (talk) 17:21, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
On second thought, Rename to a more accurate title like American reaction to the 2009 Honduras coup. Make the article more neutral. But don't just burn it all.Yellow Diamond (talk) 21:28, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yellow Diamond: We already have International reaction to the 2009 Honduran coup d'état, in which the U.S. reaction is already mentioned (fairly extensively). Neutralitytalk 21:41, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Alright. Merge into that article. This current title has to go.--Yellow Diamond (talk) 21:44, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment (edited) There is a consensus of two for "foreign influence in the Honduran general election, 2009" I think. Also the article has been almost completely rewritten since the POV fork rationales for deletion were given above. It contains a lot more meat and a lot more references that are not primarily concerned with HRC, but with Honduras. Those saying the article was a POV fork will need to reassess their evaluation now, in fairness, and perhaps participate in rendering the text even more NPOV. Best, SashiRolls (talk) 23:43, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You mean influence, right? "Intervention" is a much stronger term, meaning a much smaller article. Wnt (talk) 12:40, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I do, I'm visiting too many pages and am getting confused. I've taken the liberty of changing it above, because yes, I mean (like you I think) influence not intervention. SashiRolls (talk) 14:52, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete. As obvious hoax. Claimed to be a professional footballer in a top national league, but Google yields zero hits.  Sandstein  23:28, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Piupio Durol

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Suspected fake article. Leyo 20:34, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:43, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Glaucus Research Group

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Non-Notable company. Search on Google and Yahoo! only yields links to their own website which contain bias and bogus reports intended to benefit their own stock short sales and does not provide information in the interest of the public. YborCityJohn (talk) 20:06, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Firmage

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Article uses SPS and Primary sources such as press releases. The subject of the article has marginal notability, all of it stemming from an incident in which he claimed to have been visited by extra-terrestrials. Some notable events of over 20 years ago but nothing recent. Article needs better sources and what is notable today is not necessarily what was notable at the time the article was created. Also, the subject of the bio has used it and wikipedia to promote a scheme whereby has scams money from others under the guise that wikipedia bio makes him notable. See [2] - Tyler Riopelle, Chief Technician at Northwest Technologies, Every one at my company was lured into investing 5K apiece through a wire transfer to Utah in April of 2015. We appear to be completely scammed and have not heard anything back except to see a letter describing "Waterfall" which reads like a Ponzi scheme. We have all since filed reports with the FBI. I have not every heard until today reports about this being some free energy anti-gravity scam. Rather it was presented to us as a short term loan to be re-paid in 2 weeks maximum. A Wikipedia page exalting Joe Firmage as the technical creator of the internet and Microsoft was used to assure us that our money was going into trusted hands. There were at least four of us taken for almost 30 grand overnight. I expect more will soon surface. We are all based in Ashland Oregon. Octoberwoodland (talk) 19:46, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Bejan1: Would you make publicly known any vested or conflict of interest with the subject matter. There seems to be an association and it should be clearly specified so admins can assess your PoV. — billinghurst sDrewth 05:40, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This Discussion is concerned with the notability of the subject of this article, not the motive of the nominator. You need to focus on the subject of the articles notability and their misuse of Wikipedia, and no other issue. Octoberwoodland (talk) 20:21, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have attempted to review these sources, problem with them is that they are over 20 years ago, and there is nothing recent that makes the subject of this article notable. Almost all of them are regurgitation of press releases with the exception of the UFO related sources, which seem to be the majority of the sources. I also have run down many of these sources and they are either no longer online or are archived. Octoberwoodland (talk) 20:24, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as advertising alone and what the Keep comment above suggests are in fact PR advertising so if that's honestly all that exists, that's damning enough for this article. There are no compromises with advertisements and it's clear this is all it ever existed for. SwisterTwister talk 22:35, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to César Izturis#Personal. (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti Talk 18:22, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Cesar Daniel Izturis

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Appears to be a minor league player recently signed to the Mariners but apparently still on the farm team. Suggest merge to Cesar Izturis for not per WP:TOOSOON Montanabw(talk) 19:36, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • First of all there is inherited notability. He's the son of one of the greatest defensive SS's of all time out of Venezuela in Cesar Izturis. Second the guy was signed for a 550K bonus, I don't know how much knowledge you guys have on international MLB signings but the fact that they're even releasing the amount of his bonus means he must be pretty good. Second this is all true information I perfectly understand if you wanted to delete information that may be false or biased in the article but the fact that you want to delete a perfectly true article is censorship. -Matthew Wisnefsky (talk) 2:56, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

@Mubogshu-Actually they do not release all of the bonuses, especially for the players from Veneuzuela like Cesar Daniel is because of all the kidnapping that has been going on of athletes. So the fact that they actually did release the bonus is impressive.-Matthew Wisnefsky — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew Wisnefsky (talk • contribs) 17:35, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

•If you're going to redirect the article at least call him Cesar Daniel. His name is not just Daniel, I've changed it to Cesar Daniel many times on his fathers page but someone keeps on incorrectly changing it back.-Matthew Wisnefsky — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew Wisnefsky (talk • contribs) 16:12, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

•How about he be added to the list of Seattle Marineds minor leaguers like Kevin Maitan is for the Braves. And have a minor article there. -Matthew Wisnefsky — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthew Wisnefsky (talk • contribs) 16:15, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy deleted A7. Peridon (talk) 21:37, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ollie Gabriel

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Gabriel is not a notable musician. The article is entirely sourced to sources controlled by Gabriel. I found a short MTV blurb on him in my search [3], but that is about it. I don't think he fits our inclusion criteria for musicians. John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:35, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:06, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Desert Uniforms, Patches, and Insignia of the US Armed Forces

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The page seems to be advertising a to-be-released book, with no reliable sources other than the publisher's website. A couple of Facebook pages are the only other source of information. It has been linked from a few articles related to the subject matter of the book, but there is no great detail about the book's notability, especially as it is not released. UaineSean (talk) 19:34, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete as it stands This is actually going to be a useful reference when it comes out, however the article itself is as noted above a little too advertisementy to be here in its current form. If better sources are provided and a rewrite achieved I would entertain the idea of shifting my vote. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:19, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Wikipedia guidelines allow Not-yet-published books to have articles. Assess deletion once the book is published and reviews are available to link to to determine notability. Ehrentitle (talk) 00:35, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and assess notability once the book comes out seems to be the more standard order, right? Smmurphy(Talk) 04:08, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Deletion might have been appropriate if the page was created yesterday, however it's been standing for nine months, since April. It will be the singular published reference on this topic, and to call for deletion two weeks before publication I believe would be a bit counter-productive now as reviews will soon follow supporting it's notability. Wikipedia guidelines allow articles on Not-yet-published books in anticipation of the book being notable in its own right. It also meets the guidelines of having strong evidence that the book will be published, which includes the title of the book, ISBN and date of publication. Ehrentitle (talk) 04:34, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The only problem with that is that we cannot guarantee that the book will get reviews and if it does, if they would be the type that would be considered independent, reliable sources on Wikipedia. That runs afoul of WP:CRYSTAL, as I've seen books that should have received enough coverage to justify passing NBOOK - only for them to never gather that coverage. I'm not talking about niche, indie, or self-published books, but works put out by major authors that routinely end up on the NYT's bestseller list. There's just no guarantee there and at this point in time I don't see where you pass notability guidelines. I must also caution you that you must disclose your COI on Wikipedia. While searching for coverage for this book I found a forum post where someone with an identical username stated that they were one of the two authors. Your username is pretty unique, so it seems unlikely that this is a different person. Something like this poses a big WP:COI and absolutely must be disclosed. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:10, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:02, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Forever in Terror

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Tagged for notability for 7 years the article itself must document notability through the use of reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BAND Theroadislong (talk) 19:31, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Ammeter. (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti Talk 18:20, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ampere-meter

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The SI-unit for pole strength is Weber (unit).

"However, the strength of a magnetic field is measured in teslas..." is wrong because one has to take H (which is measured in A/m) instead of B (measured in T).

The unit ampere*meter still exists, but the entire article would have to be rewritten and I don't know what the content should be. --Debenben (talk) 21:47, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - This discussion page was created without the {{afd2}} template and never transcluded to a daily log. Fixed now--I haven't sufficiently looked at the article to form an opinion on the nomination itself at this time. --Finngall talk 19:11, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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You make a good point. I have changed my !vote agree with your proposed redirect. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 17:57, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:01, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Boys'n Girl

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Seemingly non notable manga. No Japanese article which is not encouraging considering their comparatively flexible approach. No European articles linked so if it has a license I can't see one. Searching in Japanese with minor skills just returns lots of retailers (not even lots of blogs which is odd) and searching in English gives the usual copyright infringing sites. Entry on ANN is minimal so I don't see any news items. SephyTheThird (talk) 18:00, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete I don't see any potential to make it a useful article. Despite being an old series, it's not even listed in MADB [4]. Unless there's another title it's under? The author also lacks a Wikipedia page. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:34, 12 December 2016 (UTC) updated 15:59, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 09:00, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Billy Koh

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Autobiography with many unsubstantiated claims sourced mainly from self-published media. Cabayi (talk) 17:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject is notable for forming a music company which produced stars like JJ Lin and Stefanie Sun. Whether we need to merge it into the company or keep it as a standalone article depends on the sources available. I don't have enough time right now to do an extensive archive search, but I suspect there may be enough available for a standalone article. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 02:59, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete On second thoughts due to copyvio. I just took a look at the copyvio link CherylHew provided. This is pretty bad and is gonna be hard to clean up, the article will lose all its history as well. This is ripe for a TNT at this point. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 04:16, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 00:21, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Unitus Seed Fund

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Clear advertising in which both WP:NOT applies and the fact we make no compromises at all with such blatant consistency of advertising and company involvements especially when everything here is simply formatted as their own company guide, with their own published and republished advertising, and the history blatantly shows it especially since everything that exists in publications is simply their own advertising yet again. SwisterTwister talk 17:00, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep (though certainly needs work). I agree that this article is self-promotional, but this organization seems notable: there's a New York Times article (cited already) that talks extensively about this company, and some cursory additional searches reveal a Forbes article about its founders and the fact that Bill Gates is an investor. That's just for starters. It'd take no more than 20 minutes to bring this article to a happier, more NPOV place. I'd be happy to help with that going forward, but it seems needless and counterproductive to delete. --Vivisel (talk) 18:19, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
First the Forbes is clearly hosted one of their "independent journalist and freelancing" websites, and there's also no inherited notability from Bill Gates investing, or else we would have an article for every single company a major person invested in, which is unbelievable high considering that what their jobs involve. The NYT is still too close of a business listing interview and that says something since it attempts to covertly list its own financials and business specifics. The main concerns here are WP:NOT which is a policy. SwisterTwister talk 18:52, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Where do you see that re: the Forbes article? The author is a Forbes staff writer and per TFA, it appeared in the print edition. Maybe I'm just missing it... Vivisel (talk) 19:02, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah Lauren Gensler is staff, not a freelancer. I don't know how SwisterTwister could get that so wrong? Stickee (talk) 05:12, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I see the Forbes "staff" listed now, but still, we've established as it is that Forbes is, with time goes, becoming heavier and heavier with company-controlled PR known as churnalism; then, there's still the fact this company is still best known for being involved with Bill himself; thus that's not automatic inherited notability. WP:NOT takes importance here, which is policy. SwisterTwister talk 05:19, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • At the very least ,the article needs to be trimmed of each of their list of relatively minor projects. That sort of information belongs on their web site. But the purpose of GNG is being subverted here, because when used for this sort of article, it simply turns us into an amplifier of their own publicity campaign. The art of PR is to get journalist to write about you. Then WP follows, and repeats the same PR. GNG is built on the naive assumption that journalists report the things that are important. I don't think it was every true, really, and its time we outgrew it. DGG ( talk ) 02:17, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:57, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jeff Lee (American football, born 1962)

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Lee played college and then minor league pro football, without ever receiving wide notice. He is now a high school football coach. This is all a set of positions below the level of notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:26, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete for failure of WP:GNG. The article asserts that Lee played major league pro football in the US in the USFL and NFL. However, I couldn't find an entry for him at pro-football-reference.com. That's indicative of the lack of verifiable information about him. —C.Fred (talk) 19:20, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Fail WP:GNG. Created by WP:SPA. Article states he played in the USFL with Orlando Renegades in 1985 but he does not appear on the roster for the team. Also says he played with Tampa Bay Bandits in 1986, but Tampa Bay didn't play in 1986. He also isn't on their all time roster. CBS527Talk 01:50, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Garg Brahmin

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Contested PROD by IP editor, although no reason given. No sources are provided on this page. I was unable to turn up any further reliable sources. The Brahmin page does not discuss this caste. FuriouslySerene (talk) 17:10, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. czar 07:34, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of video game exclusives (seventh generation)

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List is a compilation of other lists with non-exclusive titles removed. We already have List of PlayStation 3 games released on disc which is well cited, while this list is not well cited and is a fan synthesis of lists. See previous deletion discussion for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of video game exclusives (eighth generation). Having this article is redundant.

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The result was delete. Lots of places choose different times to "celebrate" a Bacon Day, but there's no evidence that International Bacon Day actually exists as a single topic. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:42, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

International Bacon Day

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Trivial. There may well be some local coverage of some local events, but this is not a thing. And look at the sourcing--it is atrocious. Couple of blogs and bacony websites, besides an article in the local press here and there. Drmies (talk) 19:15, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:37, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Herbert

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Reaffirming the WP:PROD which was removed by the creator without providing any additional information. A school principal without any notability. Does not meet WP:BIO or WP:ACADEMIC. TheCrazedBeast (talk) 16:02, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Jtrevor99 (talk) 19:56, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Canine penis

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This seems like an overly specialized article whose material largely overlaps with Canine anatomy and Canine reproduction. See WP:REDUNDANTFORK. Recommendation is that this page is deleted and the relevant materials merged into those two articles. Jtrevor99 (talk) 05:34, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep the content seems in line with encyclopedic material and wikipedia in particular. I have gone over the sources and they are either scholarly, academic or relavant. The problem with merging content is that merged content typically ends up being redundant at the merged article and may end up being deleted. Therefore I feel a vote to merge would be the equivalent of a delete and I see no reason whatsoever to delete this since the intricacies of the canine penis seems distinguished and specific enough to warrant its own article. Furthermore, a google search indicates that it is not a non-notable topic with tends of thousands of articles covering it. Negingxiilch78 (talk) 15:15, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Clear Speedy Deletion case. User warned.. Alexf(talk) 16:23, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rohan Rajan Sakhale

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I don't think this article necessarily establishes notability with sources that back said notability up. smileguy91talk - contribs 14:49, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:11, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Elgin Mount Pandim Hotel

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WP:NOTAGUIDE KDS4444 (talk) 13:54, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. The nomination rationale WP:CRYSTAL expressly allows for this page. Closing per WP:SKCRIT. (non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 10:18, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

2017 in literature

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wp:crystal KDS4444 (talk) 13:53, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep per WP:CRYSTAL (I assume you actually read what your citing), which states - "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place". And seeing as it's nearly the middle of December 2016, by the time this goes through AfD's 7 days, then gets relisted, and relisted again (which is highly likely), it will be 2017. Merry Christmas. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 19:19, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - it is indeed verifiable that there will be literature in 2017. Besides, it's only a few weeks away, so there's really no harm in keeping it around. ansh666 19:57, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:54, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Te Mas Mas (T++) The Bubble Tea Company

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No indication of WP:GNG. WP:SPA making solely promotional pages. Zackmann08 (Talk to me/What I been doing) 04:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Deletea non-notable small business in Costa Rica, created by an new PR-only account that I daresay may turn out to be a sockpuppet of an already blocked PR account. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 04:51, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, none of the above. The common link is Sergio Masís-Obando because that is how I learned about the ventures. I am writing up about other Boston Startups that have made a footprint. It just so happens my first two articles were the easiest to write. Andresramon (talk) 05:19, 4 December 2016 (UTC)Andresramon[reply]
  • Wikipedia is not a platform or webhost for articles about "other Boston Startups"... unless they're notable. And most start ups likely aren't. So my concerns remain. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:24, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • As I stated at the other Afd, I've looked at the other two articles you've created and they appear to be fine. You began editing here with what seemed to me to be a highly suspect pattern of article creation, but I apologize if I've misjudged you. Still, WP:ORG is the standard by which to measure any planned new articles on "Boston area startups" or what have you. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:38, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Shawn in Montreal: In regards to this nomination particularly, I'd like to add that this article is about the first bubble tea shop in Costa Rica -- that is notable. To disregard the entry of one of the most famous beverages of all time into a developing country because there aren't 'notable' sources such as the NYT or Aljazeera is a bit unfair, wouldn't you agree? The nominator, Zackmann08 and yourself may think of this as less notable because the sources are foreign to you (I can only assume, I may be wrong). The sources are mostly in Spanish, and are from another, foreign country. I must add that Costa Rica doesn't boast a plethora of online news sites. The majority of the news in Costa Rica is indeed printed or screened on Television, not archived online. This doesn't mean T++ is not noteworthy. T++ did in fact appear multiple times on national television--this is not necessarily archived either (at least, I haven't been able to find it, yet). Remember, Costa Rica is a small country (4.872 million in 2013). To disregard this article on facts related to a developing country due to your perceptions on western standards would be, in my opinion, mistaken, and would run counter to Wikipedia's vocation of reaching a universal audience. Andresramon (talk) 00:31, 5 December 2016 (UTC)Andresramon[reply]
  • I can assure that as an editor I take systemic bias very seriously and have done a lot (I would say) over my years here to address it. More than you will ever know. That said, we are not going to give the first bubble tea shop in Costa Rica a free pass purely on that basis. It still needs to meet WP:ORG and for that matter, WP:AUD, too. For countless local restaurants and cafes garner purely local coverage and even that is not enough. This was a very curious choice by you for a first article -- and I daresay if you had taken some time to understand our policies, you would not have created it. And in case there's any confusion here, Spanish-language sources are perfectly acceptable. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:59, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Shawn in Montreal: I would like to write about things that I find interesting. Don't you find the first bubble tea shop in Costa Rica interesting? And even more interesting that the venture space in a foreign country starts to intersect with that of the US? It informs on globalization and the beauty of the new world. And I'm glad that Spanish-language sources are acceptable. To that end, I have to add that in the article I do not cite '"local coverage", as a matter of fact, I cite the two most prominent news sources in Costa Rica. The Tico Times has been around since the 1950s, and La Nación (Costa Rica) has been around since the 40s -- these although, national news sources, are internationally renown. I would reckon that's notable. In fact, according to the link you provided on Audience the guidelines say, "On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary." The guidelines ask for at least one, the article in question provides at least 2.
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  • References one and two are very good. The rest are not of much help, though. And you can't add references to Facebook or Tripadviser as they are user-generated (did you read WP:RS like I suggested?) With two good references it just falls short, for me. Others may feel differently. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:05, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete since WP:NOT policy in fact applies, and the "first" claims are equally unconvincing if policy suggests deletion instead, and this is in fact simply amounting to a business listing, not an encyclopedia article. SwisterTwister talk 05:04, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Keep. Let’s go through this, because above all, WIKI states that to measure an article for deletion, it must be evaluated based on logical arguments. The article was first nominated per WT:GNG and WT:SPA. (1) WT:SPA was crossed off because this was wrong and this aspect has now been logically removed as an argument against this article. (2) This article was nominated because the nominator believes WT:GNG to not be met. If we carefully read through the criteria/parameters within WT:GNG, it contains that there must be Significant Coverage –there are two national and internationally renowned articles which focus solely on the subject of the article. This meets wiki’s Significant Coverage because the sources ” [address] the topic directly and in detail”. Because of the nature of these sources they also meet wiki’s Reliable parameter and they are of secondary sources –good measure of notability (according to WT:GNG) and thus meet the Sources parameter, as well. In fact, this also meets the Independent of the subject parameter. I would deem that all opposition from these two initial arguments 'WT:GNG and WT:SPA has been logically countered. Next, (3) It was then brought by Shawn in Montreal that this article needs to meet WT:ORG and WT:AUD. Let’s start with WT:ORG. WIKI states A company, corporation, organization, school, team, religion, group, product, or service is notable if it has been the subject of significant coverage in secondary sources. Such sources must be reliable, and independent of the subject." The subject meets significant coverage in secondary sources as aforementioned. The sources also meet the reliable parameter and the independent of the subject. We also realize quickly that this also meets Depth of Coverage because of the two main sources, the subject is the only focus of the articles.  It seems the evidence stacks well against the proposed reasons for deletion. Next, WT:AUD was brought up as an argument against the article. As I have previously countered, the Audience parameter is also met. The guidelines say that, "On the other hand, attention solely from local media, or media of limited interest and circulation, is not an indication of notability; at least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary." The article provides two national and internationally renowned sources. This meets the guideline of at least one and in fact provides two. @Shawn in Montreal:, your criteria is three. But, that seems to be a number coming from you. If we are to follow Wiki’s guidelines (especially those brought here, against the article in question), and maintain a completely logical and objective path---I have to seriously question why the same arguments, which have all been countered, are being used against the article. (5) @SwisterTwister:, you bring up WT:NOT, which I have already logically countered. On this end, there is nothing new. You then say that this is purely a business listing--- which is not true. A business listing if we go to Business directory, we find that a business listing, "may include the business name, addresses, telephone numbers, location, type of service or products the business provides, number of employees, the service region and any professional associations." Here, we read that a business listing contains simply facts. The article in question contains encyclopedic content that therefore does not make it a listing. In fact, I believe I had written some additional information which I withdrew because it felt like it may be misconstrued as "promotional". Right now, it feels that moving towards deletion is easier than thinking of an alternative for a clearly interesting, encyclopedic article. To this end, I encourage the more experienced users to propose an alternative to deletion. I believe this should be kept. Let’s remember that on the AfD page, it states, "Consensus is not based on a tally of votes, but on reasonable, logical, policy-based arguments. " I have met all arguments logically on measurable evidence that stem from Wiki’s own policy guidelines.  Andresramon (talk) 23:01, 5 December 2016 (UTC)Andresramon[reply]
  • You've misunderstood me: my preference for three is a reflection of WP:GNG, which calls for "multiple" reliable sources, of any kind. And right now there are only two WP:RS for this failed Costa Rican tea shop, and I for one remain convinced that it is non-notable from the point of view of an enclyopedia. Secondly, please don't bold comments for emphasis, per WP:AFDFORMAT. If you like, use italics. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 22:27, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Also there is nothing "countering" to WP:NOT because it's actually policy and one of the importsnt policies here, while BASIC and GNG are not policies so they are not exchangeable. SwisterTwister talk 22:50, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry for bolding parts of text (I was trying to make it easier to read for you all and myself). But, again, @Shawn in Montreal: "multiple" doesn't necessarily mean more than two. As I quoted already, the guidelines ask for at least one. The article provides two. I cannot change your mind, as it seems you are determined. And I still fail to see how this is not encyclopedic. I've already shown that the article meets the guidelines for notability for all its parameters. At this juncture it seems like it is only opinion that is carrying your argument. You've only cited multiple from the guidelines as an argument. @SwisterTwister: When I wrote "counter" I meant to say that I "countered" your argument. To summarize, I used the exact same article, WT:NOT, you summoned, against your own argument. That is what I meant by "countered". ------I've used sound logic, the wikipedia policy, and guidelines --verbatim-- to demonstrate that this article should be kept. And yet, you continue as if my point by point deconstruction of your arguments was never made. I'd like to note for the readers that the nominator has nominated all of my pages for deletion. It is possible that this article will end up deleted--not because it doesn't meet wiki's parameters--but because I happened to choose to make pages on certain related subjects, which led to the suspicion of my intentions, and an opposition stacked against me even when I've used logic to defend the article incredibly well. Are there no other alternative solutions to this page, that I do believe meets notability? If this page doesn't meet notability, I'll resurface this page: Teabean --- how does this meet notability? The T++ article has way more encyclopedic content than Teabean. If the question is that I must expand the article to enhance it, then let that be said. Otherwise, I'm unconvinced why this should be deleted. Andresramon (talk) 23:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)Andresramon[reply]
  • I'm not going to debate this at length. Multiple does mean more than two for me. As for Teabean I couldn't care less. See WP:OTHERCRAP. And if Teabean bothers you so much, take it to deletion. Goodbye and good luck, my efforts to assist you have reached an end, I'm sorry. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 23:44, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep satisfies WT:GNG and would enhance the encyclopedic content for Costa Rica related articles. As a monitor for Costa Rican articles, articles like these are lacking. Dweebing (talk) 04:16, 7 December 2016 (UTC)Dweebing— Dweebing (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
  • Delete - per nom. I don't see notability here. —МандичкаYO 😜 18:34, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. There's no fixed number for the RSs that are needed--it depends on what they are and what they say. In this case, the two articles are just press releases, and any number of such don't justify an article. And the contents of this article is just PR also: look atthe number of unsourced adjectives of excellence. DGG ( talk ) 05:38, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:47, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. A. I Abdul Majeed Swalahi

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In all three references given, subject is quoted— none of these articles is about him specifically, and being able to issue a fatwah does not necessarily make one notable. Article needs multiple references to significant coverage of the subject in reliable independent sources in order to be retained. KDS4444 (talk) 13:44, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Not a notable autor and professor. Fails WP:PEOPLE
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The result was no consensus. Consensus cannot be determined after two relists. (non-admin closure) — Music1201 talk 23:44, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Abhoynagar

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Not sure whether it is a city, town, village or some other geographical region. Couldn't find anything substantial other than postal zip code. May fail at WP:NGEO. Hitro talk 20:36, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Nothing about the article indicates what it is or why it is notable, much less that it is either populated or a legally recognized place.--Rpclod (talk) 12:02, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:48, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kara Donnellan

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Generally individual notability in team sports is associated with playing in a fully professional league. KD falls short of that threshold. The league for which she will be playing hasn't yet begun (WP:CRYSTAL), nor will it be fully professional. Discussion about Women's AFL seems to show that the level of article creation should be at the team, not the player, level. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Australian rules football#Notability of women's football. Cabayi (talk) 19:14, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete per nom. StAnselm (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Donnellan's notability has been established by extensive media coverage and her participation in the top tier exhibition series of her sport. Add a notability tag to the article if you want but it's only a matter of weeks before this league's players reach you standard of notability. Tigerman2612 (talk) 1:25, 4 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep. Sufficient coverage for GNG. The Drover's Wife (talk) 01:55, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Fremantle Football Club#AFL Women's team: I do think this article is a bit WP:TOOSOON as she hasn't played a match yet in the AFL Women's comp, the discussion as mentioned by the nominator did say that marquee players should meet notability once they play a match in the comp. The common practice for AFL players drafted who haven't debuted yet is to redirect to the current squad on the main page or the list of XX players article; as she's a marquee player she will meet notability once she plays a match, the precedent for these type of players (albeit in the men's comp) is to redirect before debuting. Flickerd (talk) 11:28, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. One of only 16 marquee players signed to the new comp (see here). I think that trying to combat the gender bias that exists in the traditional mainstream media and here as well requires some more lenient applications of the rules. And which part of new national league that's only months away from starting is "unverifiable speculation" that WP:CRYSTAL refers to? The common practice of redirecting is done for later and rookie picks, but rarely for top draft picks, which the marquee players represent. Everything in this article is verified by RS, but I accept that independence is questionable for most of the refs that cover her in detail, not just a mention, but the club & AFL websites claim to be independent, but few believe that. Applying the letter of the law for the sake of a few weeks/months delay achieves no benefit to anyone. The-Pope (talk) 13:44, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why are we "trying to combat the gender bias that exists in the traditional mainstream media"? That seems like righting great wrongs to me. StAnselm (talk) 19:05, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Or just using the inherent discretion/judgement call that is found in terms like "significant coverage" to do a tiny thing to help address one of the most frequent criticisms of Wikipedia. The-Pope (talk) 16:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Legally speaking AFL Media is indeed independent. Tigerman2612 (talk) 8:38, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep Redirect - Refs in article presently are rubbish (non-independent - all from AFL.com or the club page), yet Gnews search shows plenty of non-trivial, independent hits (several from The West Australian). This is enough to satisfy GNG, and that's pretty much all that matters. Sport-specific guidelines requiring, for example, playing in a "fully professional league" are about the presumption of notability, ie, the presumption that sufficient sources should exist for a player of a certain ilk. KD doesn't need to rely on presumption - she has plenty of decent sources anyway. Any exclusion argument would have to rely on WP:NOT, which I don't think could be reasonably made. Yeti Hunter (talk) 23:29, 5 December 2016 (UTC) - EDIT: Following the comment from Aspirex below regarding usual practice at WP:AFL, best course of action would appear to be redirect to the club page for now. Assuming KD does indeed play a debut match, the page can easily be restored via a simple revert when that happens.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 05:02, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Refs from The West Australia seem to rarely show up high in the google searches, probably because their website is hosted by Yahoo! The-Pope (talk) 16:17, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Notability established by independent media coverage. Presumption of notability will also soon be covered by participation in "major amateur league" as per WP:ATHLETE though is also WP:TOOSOON as she is yet to actually debut. Tigerman2612 (talk) 3:17, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep Notable, sufficient sources, and probably specifically historic for women's football. Aoziwe (talk) 14:16, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete for now In my view, the extent of coverage for uncapped AFLW marquee players has been on par with that of uncapped high-to-mid round AFL draft selections. The AFL project has always taken an absolutely hard line that such players do not get articles until the day they play their first game, regardless of the extent of coverage, and it is contingent on the project to apply its own norms consistently. I've seen many AFL draftee articles deleted for "TOOSOON" on many occasions to ensure this practice is adhered to. To accept a 'keep' decision for this article while satisfying WP:NOTTEMPORARY presupposes that Donnellan would still be forever notable even if she blew out her knee in pre-season training and retired without ever playing an AFLW game. Aspirex (talk) 06:21, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. Consensus cannot be determined after three relists (non-admin closure) — Music1201 talk 23:46, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Reynaldo Dante

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No claims of notability by WP:NACTOR: lots of films, but not notable ones (spot-checking, I can't find bluelinks for the filmography entries). Editors can't even agree on his birth/death dates, which suggests there are not in-depth independent-and-reliable sources about this person. DMacks (talk) 06:39, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note, this is also how I had PRODed it; it was deprodded by a long-term disruptive sockdrawer. I've revived the PROD tag as standard for evasion. DMacks (talk) 03:27, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for looking into the article history. DMacks (talk) 04:42, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete Cannot find anything more than incident mentions of him anywhere. He could have been a very active minor character actor.Rogermx (talk) 22:01, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Similar problem with so many "oldie" Filipino actors. Sources are few and far in between as Philippine publications from that period are not digitized by Google. Regardless if they're only "incidental" mentions he satisfies WP:NACTOR. He is mentioned prominently as one of the first "greats" in Philippine cinema. The list of films he was in are all notable. He is in the starring/top-billing roles in almost all of them (usually paired with fellow-award winning actor Anita Linda). See surviving posters at [9], [10], [11], [12], [13] (the websites are blogs, but the posters/pages they publish are not). Lastly and most importantly, he won the Best Actor award from the Maria Clara Awards in 1951 for Kamay ni Satanas. Maria Clara is the first national award-giving body for Cinema in the Philippines. Here's a quote from an article in PEP:
The award-giving body's Best Actor was Reynaldo Dante for the movie Kamay ni Satanas (1950). Reynaldo was among the less known matinee idols of the 1930s before maturing as a dramatic actor in the 1940s. As part of the Philippine movies' early batch of matinee idols Reynaldo starred with 1930s hunk Leopoldo "The Great Profile" Salcedo, Domingo Principe, Teddy Belarmino, Ben Perez, Mat Ranillo and Jose Padilla Jr. in Magna East Productions' Hindi Kami Laos (1962).
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The result was delete. Notability has not been verified through reliable sources. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:50, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Todd Harris

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The article has one source, and that is to a website affiliated with his employer. My searches didn't show up anything on this Todd Harris, except a BYU alumni association page (which is probably not indepdent) and something from famousmormons.com, which is not fully reliable, and blog posts. Harris just does not seem to have been an announcer at a notable level. John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:44, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Harris must be doing something right because he was just re signed to a new multi year contract with NBC Sports and continues to add to his long list of sports he has covered. His versatility may be to his detriment. As soon as he is added to a sport and begins to excel he is pulled over to another sport or assignment. He is not flashy and known for a signature call or catchphrase, as is with so many of todays over the top announcers, but he seems to fade into the background of an event or show and lets the athletes be the story. He has learned well at the side of one of the all time greats in Keith Jackson. [1]Deadspin 2010 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.3.71.11 (talk) 19:05, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep I recall the incident, alluded to in this press release, when Lloyd Carr snapped at Harris at halftime of a Michigan-Ohio State game. To me, serving as the sideline analyst of a Michigan-OSU game counts as being an announcer at a notable level. Harris has also done play-by-play for other college football games at the FBS level, and he announced the 2005 Indianapolis 500 on ABC. To me, it appears he has had a notable enough career to warrant keeping the article. Lepricavark (talk) 15:11, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:38, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

P. H. Barnes

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No attempt made to improve article after tags added. I had to rename it just now to comply with standard naming convention. Canada has rarely been a first-class team so this may fail WP:NCRIC. Jack | talk page 16:39, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the match. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:22, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yes, every generally reliable publisher is capable of making the occasional mistake, but that is just as true of Wisden, who once owned Cricinfo and presumably hosted this information at that time, as anyone else. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 21:22, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep. Passes WP:NCRIC as a first class player. No reason to doubt the reliably sourced info. StAnselm (talk) 21:33, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • This raises similar issues to those which have been raised before - specifically, does passing WP:NCRIC mean that the subject of an article is by default notable. For me the FAQ at WP:ATH - which is the page NCRIC is on - answers this:
The topic-specific notability guidelines described on this page do not replace the general notability guideline. They are intended only to stop an article from being quickly deleted when there is very strong reason to believe that significant, independent, non-routine, non-promotional secondary coverage from reliable sources are available, given sufficient time to locate them. Wikipedia's standard for including an article about a given person is not based on whether or not he/she has attained certain achievements, but on whether or not the person has received appropriate coverage in reliable sources, in accordance with the general notability guideline....
Now, could we find significant, non-routine secondary coverage of PH Barnes - not of this match, but of Barnes? I don't know the answer to that, although I would suggest that it would be difficult to do so. There may be some stuff in local newspapers around the St Catherines area and/or in histories of either Canadian or Ontario cricket. If there was - and it was non-routine coverage about Barnes - then I think I would accept that the subject has enough notability and meets NCRIC as well.
As it is, I'm not at all certain that we would be able to source such information in "sufficient" time. I would probably lean towards delete as much as anything on the grounds of the FAQ suggesting quite clearly to me that simply because a player technically meets NCRIC it doesn't mean, per se, that they have notability, just that such notability mighe be presumed if sources are available. But I would certainly be willing to provide time to find sources and it might, in the meantime, be sensible to consider an article on the MCC tour to Canada in 1951 (along the lines of Marylebone Cricket Club cricket team in Bangladesh in 1980–81) in order to provide some kind of placeholder for what are probably going to be a limited number of dubious notability cases - the MCC team included at least two Test players and played a number of matches, although this was the only one CA categorises as anything other than miscellaneous Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:13, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Passes WP:NCRIC as a first-class player. Match is recorded in full in Wisden 1952 edition (pp901–2) with a note that it was accorded first-class status in November 1951. The reason we have such a clear line in NCRIC on cricket player notability is to avoid the kind of agonising above. Johnlp (talk) 13:47, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to List of Brookside cast members. The community finds, that there is not currently enough evidence of this subject's notability to warrant a stand-alone article. (WP:GNG, WP:NACTOR, WP:BLP) — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 03:20, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tiffany Chapman

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Non notable actress, Can't find any evidence of notability, I only found this but other than that there's nothing source-wise, Her most notable role was in Brookside so it should probably be redirected there however I'll leave that up to the community, Anyway fails GNG –Davey2010Talk 20:59, 15 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment. I didn't realize how big this show was (this was a British show that went from 1982 to 2003, and I am an American who is too young to be even a Millennial). I guess people could identify her from this series.--Mr. Guye (talk) 20:18, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Being on Brookside is great however there's nothing at all on this BLP so with the greatest of respect keeping this would be nonsensical unless ofcourse anything substantial can be found. –Davey2010Talk 15:30, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment. A HighBeam Research search for <"Tiffany Chapman" Brookside> yields 82 hits. (See focused "find sources" links above.) Many of these are the expected namedrops, but more substantive content includes several substantive profiles from the Liverpool Echo [14] [15] as well as an article noting that as of 2015 she'd had the 5th-longest run of any actor on Brookside [16]. For the record I'll also note, with the requisite caution, a couple of pieces from the Mirror [17][18]. --Arxiloxos (talk) 17:59, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. No evidence of this subject's notability has been presented during this discussion, this article is therefore found to fail the requirements of WP:GNG. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 03:29, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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I am not entirely certain what this article is about. Google Books turned up nothing at all, and a regular Google search turned up Wikimapia and something about a bank. No in-depth coverage to speak of. I don't think the creator made the thing up, but I can find no evidence to support even a weak notability claim and the article has no citations to help me find any. KDS4444 (talk) 11:05, 22 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete Aside from being a WP:NOTADVERT violation, I'm also not seeing the WP:GNG passed here. There isn't a specific notability guideline for houses of worship as far as I know, and in the absence of some sort of special case, this subject seems to fail the most basic threshold guideline for inclusion. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:17, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge There is List of mosques in Kerala, currently a poor list covering only a small fraction of the mosques in Kerala that have separate Wikipedia articles, such as this one (which it does not yet cover). In general it is a good Alternative To Deletion to merge and redirect an article to a list-article covering the item. Here the short article has nothing that can't be covered in a list-article item. I don't think a separate AFD is necessary for each of the many other short mosque articles which could be merged to the list-article, too. It would be better for development of Wikipedia in this area to direct editors' attention to developing the list-article, instead of continuing to start separate articles and having (always-negative) AFD experiences. --doncram 23:13, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy delete (G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement) by David Gerard

Papa's Pizzeria

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Non-notable video game. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete (multiple reasons: G11, G12) by Jimfbleak

Papa Louie 3

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Non-notable video game. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 13:29, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. — Coffee // have a cup // beans // 06:52, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Half-Pipe Hustle

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Does not demonstrate independent notability from FIRST Tech Challenge. All sources are affiliated with the organization that ran the event, or routine coverage of the event - failing the general notability guideline or the guideline for events. Appable (talk) 03:30, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Because there are many articles on the same annual competitions that also have only affiliated or routine sources, and therefore the outcome for their deletion would be closely related to the outcome for the first article, I am also nominating the following articles for deletion:

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Finally, as a disclosure, I have participated in some of these FIRST Tech Challenge events in the past. Appable (talk) 03:37, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • There are placed winners for FTC during the world championships - those could be included in the article, though I do not believe that this would satisfy current notability policies.
I hadn't thought about NSEASONS, actually. However, upon reviewing the guideline, I believe that these articles do not satisfy the criteria. This can be shown by surveying the articles listed in this nomination - the seasons certainly do not currently contain "well-sourced prose", and there aren't any available third-party and non-trivial sources that discuss an individual season or team participating in FIRST Tech Challenge. Thus, this falls under the NSEASONS statement that articles should "be redirected to the team page if no sourced prose can be created." Appable (talk) 21:14, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • weak keep at least some of these have coverage in reliable sources. Others are difficult to search for given the name is pretty common. But articles like [19] are pretty common (There are about 21 such sources over a wide geographic area including Europe).Hobit (talk) 02:57, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  12:49, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Voluptuous Panic

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PROD was removed by author without explanation. Fails WP:NMUSIC. KGirlTrucker81 huh? what I'm been doing 07:59, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. The entry fulfills at least a couple criteria of WP:MUSBIO. DeVault’s work with the Icicles meets MUSBIO#7, in that she is a prominent representative of a notable style (notably indie pop), and her work with Voluptuous Panic is an outgrowth that work. Bowe and DeVault’s soundtrack work for the documentary “The Death of an Imam” fulfills MUSICBIO#10 (“Has performed music for a work of media that is notable”), given that the film was nominated for an Emmy and won a top award at the BEA's film festival. Missjastersgarden (talk) 18:00, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Mostly a case of WP:TOOSOON. Could be restored at some point in the future if better sources appear. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:21, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Karissa Schweizer

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unremarkable athlete does not come anywhere near to close to criteria WP:NTRACK Domdeparis (talk) 13:31, 21 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - As per nom, doesn't meet WP:NTRACK, nor does she meet WP:NCOLLATH. Onel5969 TT me 20:27, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Added sources to Kansas City Star (2 articles), Runner's World, and FloTrack. Multiple independent significant articles in three different reliable sources as well as current holder of national-level title qualifies under both WP:GNG and WP:NTRACK. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as the one Keep vote listed offers sources but they are not convincing and in fact mirror the deletion, therefore delete since she's only a college player. SwisterTwister talk 00:15, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It is true that Schweizer does not meet NTRACK; but since she's an individual NCAA cross-country champion, saying "she does not come anywhere near to close" to meeting it is quite a stretch. It's not clear to me whether she meets GNG, and accordingly I have no opinion on whether to delete or keep; Eggishorn has done good work adding sources. Sideways713 (talk) 01:05, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment at the time of my comment there was nothing about her being NCAA champion or being voted NCAA D1 Athlete of the year and as such came nowhere near the NTRACK criteria. She may now meet the GNG criteria but it might also be a case of WP:TOOSOON as the NCAA is a collegiate association and she still has a long way to go before meeting one of the different criteria. She has yet to compete in a senior championship or an international event. Domdeparis (talk) 15:04, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. I admit I haven't been able to find more coverage that would be worth adding to this article. While this level of improvement clearly falls short of the WP:HEYMANN standard, I think that she pases both WP:GNG and WP:1E+, if perhaps only just. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:13, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:38, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Miami Heat 2015 Offseason

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This article is unsourced and terribly written. I can't find any coverage in independent sources to meet WP:GNG and it doesn't appear to meet any criteria at WP:NSPORT either. Even if sources can be found, it may need to be deleted per WP:TNT. Sarahj2107 (talk) 13:11, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy deleted G12. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 12:07, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Papa's Bakeria

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Copied from http://fliplinestudios.wikia.com/wiki/Papa's_Bakeria (which in turn has copyvios of its own). Non-notable game that I can barely verify exists in some form. Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 12:52, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. There's three basic themes represented (in more or less equal weights) in the discussion: 1) he's not notable, 2) yes he is, and 3) he's not notable but his book is, and this is more about the book than the person. So, I'm going to call this No Consensus, but I'll also suggest that perhaps a good way forward would be to rename and rework this to be about the book (and leave a redirect behind). After somebody has done that rewrite, if people still feel it's not meeting WP:GNG and/or WP:BOOKCRIT, no prejudice against bringing it back here for another look. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:30, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mark J. Dworkin

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Nothing in the article to show how this author is notable. Worldcat doesn't appear to substantiate a claim for notability either. Although was de-prodded with the rationale that Worldcat did. Onel5969 TT me 02:03, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Dworkin considers these questions as he uncovers the story behind Burns's mythmaking works. A long-overdue biography of a writer who shaped our idea of Western history, American Mythmaker documents in fascinating detail the fashioning of some of the greatest American legends"[1]

American Mythmaker: Walter Noble Burns and the Legends at books.google.com[2] User:Wamills —Preceding undated comment added 02:29, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete After a Google search, I see no evidence that Dworkin is notable. However, his biography of Walter Noble Burns, published by the University of Oklahoma Press, is certainly a good source for expanding that article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:04, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep “American Mythmaker is a book for the ages, an important and much-needed roadmap to that place where, because of Walter Noble Burns, western history and storytelling met in an indelible way. It’s a tribute to author and historian Mark J. Dworkin that we learn how and why the legends we love to believe were crafted, without our losing any sense of their addictive frontier magic.”—Jeff Guinn, author of The Last Gunfight: The Real Story of the Shootout at the O.K. Corral—And How It Changed the American West[3] User:Wamills

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  1. ^ http://www.worldcat.org/title/american-mythmaker-walter-noble-burns-and-the-legends-of-billy-the-kid-wyatt-earp-and-joaquin-murrieta/oclc/894140203
  2. ^ https://books.google.com/books?id=YFbZBgAAQBAJ&pg=PR4&lpg=PR4&dq=%22mark+j.+dworkin%22+american+mythmaker&source=bl&ots=OKfeu1E20M&sig=ezViMF8JBlRLIEwK07_clk_CPtk&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiZhaL78MfQAhWBNSYKHcbZCEoQ6AEISTAJ#v=onepage&q=%22mark%20j.%20dworkin%22%20american%20mythmaker&f=false
  3. ^ http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/american-mythmaker-mark-j-dworkin/1120744013
Wikipedia keeps or deletes articles based on the degree to which the person is or isn't the subject of reliable source coverage in media. We do not keep articles because of how complimentary a reviewer might have been in a jacket blurb, or because Google Books provides nominal verification that the book exists. Bearcat (talk) 19:12, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • marginal keep his book American Mythmaker was widely and respectfully reviewed and cited, that and his other work combinr, I think, to produce a sufficient degree of notability as an historian and author, albeit of a period and genre now out of fashion.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:19, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  09:01, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Great Regression

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An economics neologism, though it isn't very new (it seemed to be coined around 2011.) Neither is the article, it's been a stub since creation. Gnews turns up a few articles from 2011 when this phrase was used. Recommending delete per WP:NOTNEO. Mr. Vernon (talk) 04:45, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Note It is worth sorting through the hits - there's at least a few songs called "Great Regression", as it turns out, and some sources I'm not sure count as reliable such as the American Enterprise Institute. It's also been used as a synonym to the Great Recession; there are even some references to a great regression in ethics from a 1930s book. Of course a quality sourced article would make everyone happy. While not every article starts as a stub, rare is the one that lasts five years as one. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:07, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
see WP:GOOGLEHITS. as mr vernon says the term has been used to describe something different to the article. LibStar (talk) 09:53, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Strong Keep A massively important topic, both from a historical and global current affairs perspective. For many analysts, this is the fact of facts explaing the political drama that's erupted in 2016. In November alone, I've seen dozens of sources making this point in English, Spanish, Italian and French. So I'd guess there must be at least tens of thousands of such sources all told. Don't ask me to list them, I'm a busy dude, but I have added some to the article. Admitedly, the vast majority of such sources don't specifically use the phrase 'Great regression'. But as RAN says, this is all about the topic, not the phrase. No objection if any want to rename. Allthough the current title may be the best possible, after all this was created by editor Richard Arthur Norton himself. FeydHuxtable (talk) 15:58, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
please show these actual sources. LibStar (talk) 15:59, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I took a look. The Guardian article you linked to doesn't mention The Great Regression; it specifically mentions The Great Recession. The Citywire article doesn't mention this, it's about the impact of Brexit. Other editors can make the determination of whether this falls under WP:OR or not. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 16:09, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for taking a look. Not sure if you noticed but I did say "the vast majority of such sources don't specifically use the phrase 'Great regression' ". The citywire article is by no means just about brexit, it's about the recent eruption of the politics of rage, for which the phenomena covered in this topic have been given by sources as a possible explanation. FeydHuxtable (talk) 16:24, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
My concern then is that this is WP:SYNTH. The Wikipedia article talks about worsening economic conditions for some since the '80s; your additions to the article (the Citywire article which really is a piece written by an investment company employee and not journalism) are tying that to Brexit because they both mention the declining manufacturing base. I'm not saying this isn't interesting or that this is your intent, but it seems like you are making some connections that go beyond documenting a neologism and trying to create one, and it makes me a bit uncomfortable. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 16:38, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I think I understand what you're saying, and if this article was about the term "great regression", then yes my improvements violate WP:NOR.
I guess this all depends on whether folk agree with RAN that the article is about the topic, not the specific phrase we use to identify the phenomena. We could rename the article "Deteriorating economic conditions affecting all the the top few percent in the advanced economies since about 1981" But that is a bit long! We often use short phrases to describe recent phenomena even though they are arguably nelogisms and have multiple possible meanings, e.g. Sharing economy. Just focusing in on the aspects covered in the Citywire article, I've just done a search for "Populism, Trump, Brexit Wages" and got over 2.5 million results! Many of them from top journalists and accademics, and saying similar things as the article e.g. this from another Harvard source: Perhaps the most widely-held view of mass support for populism -- the economic inequality perspective ... There is overwhelming evidence of powerful trends toward greater income andwealth inequality in the West, based on the rise of the knowledge economy, technological automation... " Would be a shame to destroy the article IMO. FeydHuxtable (talk) 17:11, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Do any of them call it "The Great Regression"? If not, then it's a non-notable neologism and you'd be using WP:SYNTH to tie it into other works. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:17, 29 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
In Write amplification, a GA status article, not all the sources use the phrase "Write amplification" - that is because the article is about the topic, not the neologism, and hence there's no WP:Synth violation . Again in Currency war , another GA, many of the sources don't use the phrase "Currency war". It's the topic that counts, not the neologism.
Putting it another way, documenting neologisms, while respectable, is something largely only of interest to word geeks. Whereas the topic of worsening economic conditions for large sections of the worlds' population, is something of interest to just about every intelligent person on the planet. And indeed it's a topic that seems to be covered in literally millions of sources. FeydHuxtable (talk) 19:18, 30 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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But this seems like circular reasoning. You are stating there are worsening economic conditions but it seems like we are using this article to justify that stance. I just get the sense that the article is there to push an agenda, which is not what Wikipedia is supposed to be for. Especially when the sources can't even agree on what this "great regression" is, as I mentioned earlier. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 07:52, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was Delete. Hut 8.5 22:25, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tsinghua-MIT Global MBA

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Fails WP:GNG. Not to be confused with Tsinghua University or Tsinghua University School of Economics and Management, which are mentioned in the sources. Kleuske (talk) 16:13, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Mzhang88,lPLease see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS.Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:32, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This article was initially written by unexperienced students and thus had some peacock terms and POV. This was partially also a consequence of the language barrier in English. However, these parts have been removed, and we will further amend the article and add sources in order to meet the WP:NPOV policy. In reply to "meatpuppets with a COI", we have disclosed COI on the article’s talk page as per WP:DISCLOSE. Everything we mention is originally not written by ourselves but cited from verifiable sources.
Article in poor writing doesn't constitute as a solid reason for deletion according to the page WP:AfD. If the article contains wrong or non-notable information, please help us identify the passage or language of concern but do not suggest to delete the page.
Whether or not a subject is notable does not depend exclusively on its form, but largely upon public awareness and significant effects of it. Being an educational program doesn't necessarily mean inherent non-notability. According to the notability guidelines WP:ORG and WP:NOTABILITY, the primary criteria to determine whether the article is notable are “the organization has received significant coverage in multiple sources". Contents are cited from reputable external sources including, Bloomberg, Financial Times, etc although the majority of additional sources do exist in non-English publications such as People Daily, Sohu and NetEase due to its public awareness in China. In additional, the policies have alternative criterion about whether "the scope of activities is national or international in scale". For the Tsinghua-MIT Global MBA, the program is an important academic collaboration between China and the United States represented through two well established universities - not simply a program entirely devised by a single Eastern or Western institution.
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Friesehamburg Whether or not a subject is notable does not depend exclusively on its form, but largely upon public awareness and significant effects of it. This may be true outside Wikipedia, but as for our encyclopedia, the Wikipedia community decides what is sufficiently notable for inclusion. Being an educational program does not accord inherent notability either; take for example International Baccalaureate which is an old established programme with a Wikipedia article supported by no less than 70 solid referenced sources. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:47, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete. Individual university courses are not normally notable, and the promotional undercurrent of the article makes me profoundly uncomfortable. Can be mentioned in the articles about the participating universities.  Sandstein  12:51, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 00:22, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Popara (album)

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Delete. Fails WP:NALBUM and apart from the claim After the release of this album, Popi Maliotaki had great success and recognise, no claim to fame made. I performed google search and failed to find if the album made it to any country's national music chart. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 12:24, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Black Kite (talk) 00:30, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Rajesh Verma (journalist)

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Previously PRODed and deleted as WP:ONEEVENT, the excessive unnecessary bloating in the article about the 2013 Muzaffarnagar riots doesn't really bring him any notability. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:21, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Crtew (talk) 13:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
1. This is a totally different article than the one deleted. The draft had been in development before that was deleted and was intended to be an improvement.Crtew (talk) 13:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
2. The nominator makes a classic misinterpretation of WP:ONEEVENT. One Event is about a choice we make in handling a topic not disqualifying subjects. When you look at killed journalists around the world, 9 out of 10 killed are native journalists who are not known outside of their own area. The misinterpretation of this policy is dangerous because it would lead to foreign journalists or only journalists who are famous as being the only ones who could have articles, which would lead to a serious hole in our knowledge about this phenomenon. You need to look at the List of journalists killed in India and it's important to build content for that list that informs readers about this subject. The policy though simply doesn't say what most interpreters think. Most people believe wrongfully that one event disqualifies an article. (See below for more) Crtew (talk) 13:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ONEVENT is simply about a decision of whether to emphasize the event or the person or both. The policy says: ... "it may be unclear whether an article should be written about the individual, the event or both. In considering whether or not to create separate articles, the degree of significance of the event itself and the degree of significance of the individual's role within it should be considered." Crtew (talk) 13:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
3. There was significant coverage. The article about the riot is justified because it builds on our knowledge of civil discontent in India. The article about Verma is justified because it builds on our knowledge about the safety and security of journalists and the ability of a society to get the information it needs (See: List of journalists killed in India). These are two distinct threads that you will find in Wikipedia. I've seen other people in the past try to delete these lists and fail. The subject needs these articles to truly know about the phenomenon. Crtew (talk) 13:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This nomination needs to be relisted under journalism and not just by area.Crtew (talk) 13:32, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Please read WP:WALL and more importantly WP:AGENDA. Listed in Journalism-related list too. And Delhi is not in MP. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:38, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
 Done Read them. The articles are clearly linked to the separate phenomena. Readers will follow their own interests. I can also assure you that there is no promotion or conflict here. Some edit articles about old 45 top ten hits and others edit about journalists and still others write about India. Thank you for you feedback, Crtew (talk) 18:59, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You are free to edit topics of your choice. But what we see here is people-should-known-about-struggles-of-journalists, oh-my-god-so-many-journalists-killed, so-much-violence-in-india-on-journalism and such type of argument. Also, being employee of Network 18, their publications should not be used to count in " significant coverage" and works of Committee to Protect Journalists should be excluded likewise. The article is also bloated with irrelevant info, though sourced, just to make the guy look notable! §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 03:55, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You are entitled to your opinion, and it is that, just your opinion. Crtew (talk) 19:09, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
However, you are making factual errors that I can not let stand. The article does not build notability on either of the sources you mentioned. That's wrong. Check the sources for yourself. Crtew (talk) 19:13, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Article mostly covers his death in riots and other info related to his death. I think there is no need of separate article. His inclusion in List of journalists killed in India is enough as it lacks enough info to be retained as standalone article.--Nizil (talk) 11:41, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Rename After further editing, the article should be renamed the "Killing of Rajesh Verma and Salim Israr" as the article has become less about Verma and more about the media workers killed during riots.Crtew (talk) 18:48, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. MBisanz talk 22:28, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tanah Runcuk

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Not notable. Article creator is WP:SPA. Citobun (talk) 16:23, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:38, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Blue Walls and the Big Sky

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Cannot find any mention of album except on youtube and music streaming sites. Should be deleted and content merged with article on artist. Rogermx (talk) 20:18, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:38, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tiny Software

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inadequate RS s for notability Most refs are their own website, some are minor reviews of the software, DGG ( talk ) 10:11, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:38, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

David Pham (entrepreneur)

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Non-notable individual lacking non-trivial support. "References" are trivial, do not mention the article subject, or are WP:PRIMARY in nature. reddogsix (talk) 09:03, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Lankiveil (speak to me) 08:57, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Trump-Tsai call

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Plenty of citations for the call, but that doesn't mean it deserves a separate article. Content should be merged (but probably already is covered) in one of the many Trump articles. Drmies (talk) 06:16, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • It doesn't take much for political events to pass WP:GNG but it's hard to distinguish what's WP:NOTNEWS when you're in the thick of it. I'm not reluctant to !vote keep in this case because this event was the first of its kind since 1979, making it something of a milestone and very likely to pass WP:10YT.LM2000 (talk) 23:24, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti Talk 18:02, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Great Escape (2017 film)

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No references provided in the article. I checked Google news and could not come up with a single news related to this film. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 06:56, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE given the low input despite two relists. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:39, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Zeeshan Kazmi

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The Person mentioned in the article doesn't fulfills WP:BIO. Rameshnta909 (talk) 21:57, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Not a huge amount of discussion here, but the only person arguing to keep is the article's main author, citing reasons which amount to WP:INHERIT. What we need is better coverage of the band itself, in better sources. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:09, 25 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Hallway

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The band has not racked up the activity or the following necessary to meet our music guidelines. Not prodding because the band article has been subject to deletion before, albeit in a much shorter form. Geschichte (talk) 18:16, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. The band has two members who have won a Norwegian Grammy. One of which is the frontman. One member is from Norwegian band, Shevils and the 2 Grammy winners (spellemannprisen) are formerly of Team Me. The members of this band bring their notability with them. In addition to this, they were given a prime slot at Øyafestivalen as well as Slottsfjell Festival, which are both very big music festivals in Norway. They also played Sørveiv which is a Norwegian music showcase and conference and have been booked to play Trondheim Calling, another big Norwegian music festival. Outofthedim (talk) 00:21, 01 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. czar 07:17, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Logan Hudson

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The article does not show that he fulfills the criteria from WP:NHOCKEY Domdeparis (talk) 17:16, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Sky Sports. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 17:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jenna Brooks

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fails WP:CREATIVE as a journalist. Almost all the sources i found were from her employer sky sports and the coverage is very limited where she is the subject of coverage. LibStar (talk) 15:43, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:27, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eggology

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As a company, it doesn't appear to meet WP:CORPDEPTH. As a brand/product, it exists, has some use in a few cookery books, etc, but appears to lack significant coverage. The brand was bought out by Pearl Valley Farms in 2015, and a redirect and encapsulation there might theoretically be an option, but PVF doesn't meet CORPDEPTH either. ~Hydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)~ 09:05, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. The article is well reffed. The keep arguments apply here. (non-admin closure) Mhhossein talk 18:58, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Impacts of tourism

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Essay, partly based on own work (see source 11 and name original author) The Banner talk 13:35, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Well, it's certainly an ESSAY, and there's apparently a COI, but why should we delete it? It's a reliably cited article on an undoubtedly notable topic. Hmm? Chiswick Chap (talk) 15:02, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:26, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Analyzation of Ama Ata Aidoo’s Changes

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essay--probably a school essay on a notable writer for whom we already have an article Ama Ata Aidoo. There are no specific references, and the essay is original research. Possibly someo f the material could be used in the real article. DGG ( talk ) 04:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:25, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Suds Jain

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There's no meaningful hopes of actual meaningful improvements especially since it's clear this is only existing as a PR listing hence WP:NOT certainly applies; the sheer fact he's not satisfying WP:POLITICIAN, but then no other sensible notability, it shows there's nothing to suggest this is a policy-based article, regardless of any attention of his job and it shows when the sources simply consist of his own bio, his other bio and a campaign link. SwisterTwister talk 02:30, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete He is an extremely low level politician and his activities with the anti-global warming group are not on a level for notability either.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:39, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Neither being on a city planning committee nor being an unsuccessful candidate for city council constitutes an WP:NPOL pass, there's no claim of notability as an environmentalist besides the fact that he exists as one, and the referencing is entirely to primary sources (his own campaign website, his own "our staff" profile on the website of his own employer and a raw table of election results) with not even a shred of reliable source coverage shown. Wikipedia is not a free public relations platform on which anybody is entitled to an article just because he can be nominally verified as existing — but the evidence of notability and sourceability needed for an article to become earned simply isn't being shown here. Bearcat (talk) 23:14, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Faithless electors in the United States presidential election, 2016. And merge from history such content as editors may deem appropriate to include.  Sandstein  10:53, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Appears to be largely a duplicate of Faithless elector revolt in the United States presidential election, 2016. Perhaps could become a redirect. So many other potential issue but I'll stick with that for now. TheCrazedBeast (talk) 02:27, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect, the page should be changed to a redirect to the faithless elector 2016 page. --Frmorrison (talk) 15:04, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK so I'm not clear on protocol with this. Should I remove the AfD and ask you all to go add your commentary to the redirect suggestion I put on Talk:Hamilton_Electors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCrazedBeast (talk • contribs) 20:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

No, you should encourage the dissenter there to move here. Broadly speaking, an AFD discussion carries more weight than a talk page discussion. --Nat Gertler (talk) 21:57, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Nat Gertler! I added an entry there to suggest contributing here.TheCrazedBeast (talk) 22:58, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That's what a "redirect" does - when people look up Hamilton Electors, it will send them to the right article. That way, we don't have to have two different articles for the same thing with two names. --Nat Gertler (talk) 00:21, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
— Frogsareamphibianstoo (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
Comment: You may have misconstrued the AfD. I did not assert that faithless elector action in this election isn't notable. I simply stated that this article may be a duplicate. It does not appear to be written about an organization (although it mentions one) but rather about the action or movement around faithless electors in this election. TheCrazedBeast (talk) 19:42, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The page is about a notable group, distinct from the general topic of faithless Electors. They have achieved notoriety (see citation stories) for leading a particular dissent movement in a particular election. The faithless elector article, covers many such dissents as a category. I think merge would be categorically analogous to merging a page about the DNC or Tea Party to one instead about Political parties. If there is not sufficient distinction in the article currently then that should be fixed. --Pablo Mayrgundter (talk) 22:11, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Note there is no argument here that the 2016 events are not notable and deserve their own article separate from Faithless elector. Rather, that there are two articles on the same subject. Hamilton Electors and Faithless electors in the United States presidential election, 2016. TheCrazedBeast (talk) 15:57, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Except the "Hamilton Electors" are a subset of the faithless electors in this Electoral College. and faithless electors is the WP:COMMON name for such folks. (And the idea that Hamilton, a "Founding Father" who gets placed on currency and has a hit Broadway show about him at the moment, is a neutral term does not seem likely.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 03:03, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
He was also instrumental in the compromise that made slaves 3/5 of a person in order to increase the power of slave states, as part of an electoral college system that is seen as a scourge by many, and the whole reason for the need for Hamilton Electors. He is kind of to blame for this whole mess. As with any US Founding Father, he's complicated, and he doesn't fit neatly into modern political pigeon holes. In the naive sense that any Founding Father is a Good Thing like mom and apple pie, there's nothing wrong with that. Lots of articles have titles for groups that use pleasant words chosen by those groups to describe themselves. Making an exception on those grounds for this group is a double standard.

I don't know the point in your argument by contradiction. I'll contradict you right back: faithless elector is the general term for any elector who didn't vote as expected. Hamilton Elector is the specific, common term for any elector in the 2016 election who intends to vote other than as expected, or who encourages other to do so, or who has resigned in protest, or who has taken some other, related course. The entire group rallies under the banner of 'Hamilton Elector', and the citations in Faithless electors in the United States presidential election, 2016 back that up. You know you've got a weird article title when you're citing sources that call your subject something other than what you're calling it. Some still use 'faithless', but the wider term is Hamilton Elector. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 03:17, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The fact that you can find things to criticize about Hamilton hardly means it's a neutral term (and the term your complaining about as being non-neutral, "faithless", is commonly used to describe atheists and agnostics, and there is much good that can be said about them.) As for whether "Hamilton Elector" is the common reference for all the faithless electors in this go-round, rather than a subset involved in a specific campaign, I suggest you look at the recent Google news results for Chris Suprun; I see lots of headlines there describing him as a faithless elector, and not a one describing him as a Hamilton Elector. --Nat Gertler (talk) 03:29, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I just said "Some still use 'faithless'" you reply, "Oh yeah? Well here's proof that SOME still use faithless!" So let's not keep running up the word count here reiterating that we both agree that the term is used by some. What is really notable about your google news link is that you've presented us with a horde of non-news opinion articles attacking Chris Suprun, so naturally they choose the pejorative term to go with their jeremiads. Like I said, POV title, which is against policy. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 03:40, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Faithless elector has had an article since 2005 (and was used long before it became its own article). The merits of the term can be argued on that article's talk page or if someone wants to assert that Hamilton Elector is now the common name for a Faithless Elector. For now the term is what it is and this AfD discussion isn't about the name of the article. This discussion is simply that there are 2 pages that, as currently written, are about the same redundant subject. As an example that readers and editors are treating them as redundant articles, take a look at the About hatnote on Faithless elector where both pages are linked in the same sentence. If Hamilton Electors is a different topic, then it should be rewritten to be about the organization rather than a largely redundant article as it currently is. TheCrazedBeast (talk) 15:34, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody has asserted that Hamilton Elector is now the common term for faithless elector, and nobody has had any thought of moving or changing the article Faithless elector. As far as rewriting, once Faithless electors in the United States presidential election, 2016 is merged into Hamilton Electors, the redundancies and scope issues can be cleanly resolved.

Keep in mind, no faithless electors in the United States presidential election of 2016 exist. An elector who has not yet voted is not "faithless". Even an elector who says they intend to change their vote has not yet committed this faithlessness. This article Faithless electors in the United States presidential election, 2016 is about a topic that does not exist, and is not scheduled, or prd-determeined event or actions people will take. It is a violation of WP:CRYSTAL to presume any faithless electors will exist in the 2016 cycle, based only on speculation.

On the other hand, the Hamilton Elector movement does exist. It has adherents, spokespeople, supporters and critics. Even if all electors vote in the conventional and none are 'faithless', the Hamilton Elector movement will still have existed. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 03:19, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn. . Nominator has redirected this instead. (non-admin closure) Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:27, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Kaji

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Lack of context. JustBerry (talk) 00:39, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy deletion (A7). (non-admin closure) st170etalk 17:12, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Halloween Express

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Does not satisfy WP:CORP by any criteria. Unable to locate any significant secondary references. TheCrazedBeast (talk) 02:07, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Not unanimous, but the vast majority clearly feel that the level of media coverage of this person is not indicative of notability. Lankiveil (speak to me) 09:22, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Sierra Minott

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Minott is only notable for being Miss Florida, and being Miss any state is not enough on its own to justify having a stand alone article on the person. Some might claim being 4th runner up to Miss America is enough, but the fact that it gets a one line notice in the blurb section of her local paper and that is it suggests it is not. Coverage of Minott elsewhere is very minor. She had a role in the 2015 film War Room, but it was "Brightwell Employee", this is an extremely minor role. Her other film role was not even credited. The only other thing I came up with in my search that was not a blog post or a YouTube link was a notice about her speaking at a central Florida Methodist women's meeting, and that was an announcement from the orginazation drumming up publicity. There is just not the 3rd party news coverage over an extended period to justify having the article on Minott. John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:37, 17 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Notability is never conferred, so of course the community would never consent to such a thing.  The community wants to cover all state winners of Miss America and Miss USA.  Whether or not the material is merged or standalone seems to be a detail left up to the people willing to do the work, except for out-of-process deletion discussions improperly closed as delete.  Unscintillating (talk) 01:56, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • WP:BIO1E is an argument to merge.  Did you have an argument for deletion, or did you intend this to be a merge !vote?  Unscintillating (talk) 01:56, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, my argument for deletion was and is: There are no WP:RS that cover Ms. Minott as an individual except in connection with placing in a pageant. If, as you say, the community wants to cover all participants in these pageants, could you please direct me to that discussion? I don't want to presume for others but from the comments in this discussion the nominator and the other editors may also not be aware of that decision. That may well just be a case of two WP sub-communities (i.e., pageant-focused editors and AfD-focused editors) not interacting. Thanks. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 02:20, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
As for covering all participants, see Miss Florida.  For some extracted comments from the Wikiproject, see my reply at here.  I also reviewed WP:BIO1E, and again state that it is not an argument for deletion.  I also did a Wikipedia search on the topic's name and see that a deletion will create 47 red links.  Respectfully, Unscintillating (talk) 03:19, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Unscintillating first of all, thank you for providing information that, indeed, there were apparently discussions in the relevant Wikiproject where intentions are to include all state-level Miss USA/Miss America winners. I was not aware of that, especially since I had stopped following DGG's talk page and did not see your response to John Pack Lambert. That all said, I think a larger discussion needs to happen. I am not currently inclined to agree that the project's ambitions should overrule the usual standards, particularly the general notability guideline, and WP:ATD is not an absolute. You have added references, but after reviewing them (the ones that I could get to, that is) there seems to be a high amount of routine coverage. I think the only way forward is to open an RfC where both sub-communities, the AfD participants and the WikiProject members, together with anyone from the larger community, can meet and hash out a consistent standard on beauty pageant nominations. To demonstrate my good faith, I will, for the time being, strike my Delete pending the organization of such a discussion. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 04:17, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I opened an RFC at the talk page of Wikipedia:Wikiproject Beauty pageants and put notice of it at the village pump. Very few people have participated, but like here, the general consensus is that being Miss some state is not a default sign of notability, and we need to get more than routine coverage to keep articles. This is also the working consensus for over 100 AFD nominations from beauty pageant related articles in the last 6 months. Unscintillating is about the only person who opposes this, with every measure of beauracatic rulesmanship he can muster, even attacking people for not posting on the accounts of dead people about nominations. It is not good faith to reward his hardheadedness, but an act of giving into bullying.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:28, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding the comment of 100 AfDs, a review of the Wikiproject Beauty Pageant talk page shows that JPL attracted attention because JPL had 70 AfDs simultaneously open at the end of August.  Unscintillating (talk) 06:12, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The right RfC link is Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Beauty Pageants. The RfC I refer to is item 61.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:12, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Comment This discussion was originally closed as no consensus because there is a lack of Wikipedia consensus on the matter on December 6th, after I presented some issues to the closer, and another editor argued that these should be considered on a case by case basis, the administrator who closed gave permission to reopen this discussion. I primarily state this so the time frame when this discussion has actually been open can be clearly seen. It was closed from early December 6th (about 7 GMT) to about 14 GMT on December 9th.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:43, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Keep  These are not policy based arguments, as even if everything argued is true, we still will cover this topic in the encyclopedia.  See WP:ATD.  One of the bottom lines for a volunteer organization is the people willing to do the work.  This means that the bottom line for an argument of non-notability here is, are you willing to do the work to marge? 

    In addition to there being no argument for deletion, and good reason to speedy close such discussions, this topic is notable.  The title of "Miss Florida 2015" does not need an introduction for readers to recognize the title.  So there is not really any argument that the title is "well-known".  Whether or not the title is "significant" is less clear to me, but the alternative is that it is not significant, which is not the prevailing consensus on Wikipedia.  So with just these two sentences, this establishes ANYBIO#1.  There is also good reason to believe that this topic passes WP:GNG, and that anyone who achieves this title will be known for this accomplishment throughout the rest of their professional career, so the title is enduring.  Unscintillating (talk) 02:41, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete -- coverage is strictly local; this is insufficient to meet GNG. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:44, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 15:01, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Christina Keegan

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Keegan was Miss Nevada. This alone is not enough to establish notability. Of the listed sources, one shows up as listed as a blog when you look at it, even though it is a newspaper related blog. There is just not sustained coverage. If we had any coverage outside of Nevada I might think she crossed some notability line, but it does not appear so. My search for more sources came up with routine non-reliable coverage but nothing substantial. John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:45, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete -- nothing stands out about this state-level winner. K.e.coffman (talk) 08:19, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Being a beauty pageant winner is not enough in itself to prove notability.--CaroleHenson (talk) 03:14, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as no actual notability or substance apart from the mere participating. SwisterTwister talk 23:07, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep  "Miss Nevada" is a well-known award that follows the careers of the winners throughout their life.  To satisfy ANYBIO#1, the award must also be significant, which I think is shown by the long-lived attention given to those who have achieved the award.  Evidence that "Miss Nevada" is known world-wide is provided by a Google news search on ["Miss Nevada" -site:.com -site:.org -site:.edu] which shows great interest in the UK when a Miss Nevaada is arrested on drug charges, and what should not be surprising international attention for Miss Nevada when Miss Nevada wins the Miss America crown.  In any case, Wikipedia wants to cover all entrants to the Miss America pageant, so WP:DEL8 is not an argument for deletion.  The means that the remedy for non-notability is for the editors who think this is the case to do the work to merge the content to articles such as Miss Nevada.  Unscintillating (talk) 00:45, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • No, only Miss America is a well known award that follows the winners. I have found Linkedin entries for winners of state competitions of Miss x state and Miss x state USA that fail to mention they won that award. Winning Miss America follows the winner, winning the state award does not, and creates zero coverage for the person once they no longer have the title. Unscintillating's claims about the prestige of these awards are just plain false.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:52, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • I provided evidence that "Miss Nevada" is known world wide, and showed how to reproduce the search.  You can't just say that this evidence is "plain false" without any explanation and still have a reasonable argument. 

        If you've found winners who don't want the attention, this doesn't mean that the public doesn't recognize the award when told.

        And the point always goes back to the fact that notability is not a key factor here as it does not equate to a WP:DEL8 argument.  The key factor is who is willing to do the work to build the encyclopedia.  When have you ever merged one of these topics due to your concern of a lack of notability?  When have you merged one of the first or second Seventy (LDS Church)?  Unscintillating (talk) 03:17, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:39, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Caleche Manos

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Manos only thing that comes close to a claim to fame is being Miss Nevada. However that is not a title that conveys notability. In fact of the 4 sources with the article, the 4th is a Las Vegas Review Journal article that basically screams "Miss American pageant does not matter anymore." Of the 4 sources, only one is about her, and that is the very local paper from her part of Nevada. One Las Vegas article fact checks her loss the previous year. The other 2 exist because the Miss America pageant was in Las Vegas and only mention her in passing. A google search showed up a few articles about her suing the Los Angeles police department in 2012 for how she was treated when investigators went to her apartment instead of the one they had a warrant for. However that would be excluded on "Wikipedia is not news" guidelines. We have nothing of substance about her to justify notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:38, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. No consensus for deletion has been formed, though I'd strongly advise editors (especially Sionk) to continue their work in improving the article to avoid it being renominated in the future. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:22, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

MySupermarket

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Blatant advertisement even if it's not as severe as others because not only are the casually tossed sources here all trivial and unconvincing, some are obvious press releases while others are comparably covert about it, and the ABC News themselves are in fact local TV news stories, not the national side, and even if it were, a national show such as TODAY, or anything of them would still be only trivial and casual news stories, as is this article here; looking at 10 pages of News all found both blatant and casual advertising, regardless of publication, because that's what the contents exactly were. The 1st AfD had several noticeable troubles about it, not only is that no one ever acknowledged the advertising concerns, but that we're quite obviously aware of such concerns now, and we easily have both policies WP:SPAM and WP:NOT to delete it.

All of these sources only covey what the company would advertise about itself, not what a genuine news article would say, and hence we have churnalism. As it is, the history shows nothing but advertising-only accounts showing how the company was quite likely aware of this article since it bears such similarity to their own advertisements, that they would naturally enjoy this hosted advertising. Another note is the sheer blatancy of this existing since 2009 as an advertisement and it was noticeably removed and then the advertising would be added again, showing the sheer motivations and how we knew in 2014, but no one gave a damn to delete it before it caused worse damages. SwisterTwister talk 18:02, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep per the general national news sources, published over a period of 9 years, already cited in the article. Though I agree most of the article is made up of cherry-picked information from the news articles. It's not unsalvagable, though I see the article has had some input from the MySupermarket PR dept. No-one would deny (apart from MySupermarket staff) that the article is currently badly written and unbalanced. Sionk (talk) 19:45, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Subsequent to my comment I have corrected the percentage claims, added a "Reception" section [26] to the article, removed a clear marketing statement [27] and removed the minor, unsourced events from the timeline [28],. In my view the article now conforms to the acceptable standards of similar, reasonably written articles on Wikipedia. The claims below that on-one will improve the article were untrue at the time and continue to be untrue. Sionk (talk) 07:29, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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OK, if you think so, edit it and then we can see. DGG ( talk ) 04:39, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. it probably is notable, but its an advertisement. If anyone thingks it salvagable, I challenge them to salvage it. Icna't--there isn't enough of substance to write about. DGG ( talk ) 04:11, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Regardless, none of this is satisfying policy WP:NOT as (1) the ABC News links are in fact local news stations, not at all an independent source as it's only localized information and naturally to advertise locally and it shows "The company offers, the company days today, etc.), and the other links repeat this also L, showing only one person would've authored it, the company itself, even worse so, because it's only advertising localized services. The TC is literally labeled "information by the company" so yet another non-independent source.

All of this violates WP:NOT because it clearly states "Wikipedia is not a sales catalogue or web host of business services" and that's exactly what it is. Especially since TC is notorious for republishing company information, especially the fact it's caring to focus only "company-supplied finance goals and plans", yet another sign it is not independent. Even take one of the links that literally says "Company wants to revolutionize it", no one gives a damn about that than the company itself. The next ones literally say "You need to try MySupermarket and it's services" and "Listen what the company says about itself".

Another is the fact all of this are actually specialized local PR trade publications, including Daily Mail which is notorious for any local for republishing whatever it pleases. Basically the only genuinely major source is the Guardian but even that one, regardless of it being national, is still vulnerable to PR and it has in fact published it before. An example is:

  • Either way, if you do a regular supermarket shop - particularly if you shop online - mySupermarket.co.uk, which claims to save users up to 20% on their weekly shop, is at least worth a look....By accessing data that is updated daily from each of the supermarkets' own websites, this independent and free service can not only tell you which is the cheapest supplier overall for your entire selection of products, but can also suggest ways of reducing your bill at your chosen supermarket by substituting other goods to get a better deal....Unlike the supermarkets' own websites, mySupermarket.co.uk also lets you adapt shelves to shop by brand or type.....it's cheaper per 100g to buy a pack of 12 Golden Vale Cheestrings Twisters at £2.98 or a pack of 16 at £3.78 (the latter is cheaper by 5p).....potentially save up to £28 more.... Later this same paragraph goes to "The company businessman says...." and finishes with "I'll be using their services again!" (how could that never be PR if it's not only closing with it, but also closing with a company quote!)

None of the keep votes have acknowledged WP:NOT, instead going with general guidelines, and they are simply not the same. When we start ignoring policy, we're damned. Now, given this, not a single one of those sources is genuinely national or international, explicitly without company quotes and company-supplied information, because there are none. When we literally start citing local TV station news articles, it shows no one actually cares but the company's own advertising agents! SwisterTwister talk 02:50, 2 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Mind you, this is an 'Articles for deletion' discussion, not an 'Articles for clean-up' discussion. There are some fairly simple steps to take to remove PUFF wording and add a bit of balance. I've already done some of that myself. Sionk (talk) 18:46, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete WP:NOTPROMO is a good reason for deleting the article and hey, it is part of a policy (unlike the essays people are citing). The article consists of a massive amount of promo content (sourced to a bunch of redressed PR material) and a link dump which is contrary to WP:ELNO. Considering that nobody in this AFD has bothered to clean it up, I suggest we go with a delete. (As a matter of fact, I have seen a recent influx of editors using these trashy articles as models and then trying to emulate these, leading to a host of bad content.) The other reason for deleting is that the sources are not good enough to satisfy WP:CORPIND. You gotta be kidding me if you believe this satisfies WP:CORPIND and WP:SPIP. The other sources are also not good enough - The Grocer is an employee talking about the company, Goodhousekeeping is an initial review by an university student, The Guardian reliable source, but again, an initial review, Marketingweek again employee talking about the company, Techcrunch is again the CEO talking, Campaignlive is a trivial news about a merger/aquisition, ABC 2 is again an employee talking about the company, ThisIsMoney (part of DailyMail) is a tangential mention in the context of another company. Sorry, but these sources are not good enough for WP:CORPIND and WP:CORPDEPTH. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 05:48, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
No one will attempt to clean the article up until this AfD is concluded. So to delete it because it hasn't been clean up is getting the argument a bit back to front. Sionk (talk) 19:32, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We simply can't have promotional content on Wikipedia per WP:NOTPROMO, and this one is about a non-notable company. An AFD remains open for like 7 days and is usually relisted once or twice (making it 14-21 days). That provides sufficient time to demonstrate notability and improve the article. Btw, there was a previous AFD (See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/MySupermarket) and it seems like no one bothered to clean this up that time as well. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 19:47, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The 'Keep' voters each argue (with evidence) that notability is demonstrated and I, for one, started to improve the article. We'll have to agree to disagree, rather than throwing polarised opinions at one another. Sionk (talk) 00:04, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete per Lemongirl and DGG. WP:NOTPROMO controls here and this article fails it. I would note to Sionk (talk · contribs) that it is absolutely common practice to cleanup an article mid-AfD in the interest of saving it. I've seen it done many times and done so at least once myself. Even if the article is deleted anyway, the rewrite can be the basis for a future article if more sources become available. Mackensen (talk) 02:04, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is all very Kafka-esque and smacks more of WP:IDONTLIKEIT. I find it difficult to understand how different experienced editors can draw such diverse conclusions. The article is easily salvageable, but I've no connection or particular affection for mySupermarket so if it gets removed then so be it. Sionk (talk) 21:32, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To state the obvious, this AfD has been going for nearly a month now and all any Keep people have suggested is "Let's improve it" yet no one has, even while this AfD is happening and hence is instead quickly becoming Delete. WP:NOT policy is not negotiable with such company advertising, as we know, and the fact apparent improvements aren't helping, emphasizes it. SwisterTwister talk 21:42, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
With all respect that's plainly not true. The 'keepers' have said the subject passes WP:GNG, which is Wikipedia's major tenet. There's no requirement or obligation for people who 'vote' keep to clean up the article immediately (or at all). Otherwise there would be hardly any progress at AfD. Sionk (talk) 22:51, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
The major consideration at AfD for as long as I've been active here, has been WP:GNG. To be honest I'd challenge any of the 'delete'ers to actually point to which parts of this article are irrepairable. It's plainly not irrepairable. In fact the article is quite a standard, acceptable format of description, timeline and criticism. Sionk (talk) 21:58, 15 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Even if we consider 2 years ago, that itself is not an explanation for not deleting now, especially since we're harder with spam now. That said, this current article has absolutely no criticism at all, only company financials, activities and itshows company plans. That violates WP:NOT's "Wikipedia is not a place for YellowPages-esque company information such as its own company specifics" hence policy. As for the article issues, they've been listed. SwisterTwister talk 08:28, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We're evidently looking at different articles. It has criticism (add more if you can find it, without being WP:UNDUE of course). I've no idea what financials are. There's only a small paragraph about investments. How a company is financed is pretty standard info. Sionk (talk) 21:45, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This is not showing how the relevant Delete votes have cited policy, what policy is higher than the one serious important one we have WP:NOT which explicitly states we are not a business webhost and can remove it. The sources themselves have been shown to be nothing but republished words and company notices, if that's all we have, why damn ourselves as a PR webhost? Supposed improvements are not relevant if policy states against it. SwisterTwister talk 00:52, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
WP:NOT doesn't trump GNG, GNG is the most important policy and well respected policy we have and IMHO GNG trumps NOT, You may believe it's a business webhost however I believe it's an artcle that meets CORDEPTH and GNG and IMHO is worth saving, I believe the sources are fine however there's tons more on Google News as well as Google Books, Thanks. –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 01:03, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment to closer - As shown at WP:NOT and WP:GNG, WP:NOT is still policy whereas GNG is a suggested guideline, as GNG itself states that it is not the foremost. NOT is still the first policy we ever started actually using because it formed what was explicitly unsuitable for WP itself. SwisterTwister talk 01:20, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • GNG is still the most respected policy here and trumps NOT, Also NOT is irrelevant here because the article isn't a blatant promotion - It's a notable topic and the sources prove that, Also being promotional isn't a valid reason for deletion because promo text can be copy-edited and immensely improved, Sources have been presented which are all notable reliable sources and are in-depth coverage so therefore should be kept. –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 01:48, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It appears this article is though spam, therefore according to Wikipedia policies should not be retained considering theres no good revision without spam.Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 23:36, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree there's nothing spammy in the article, It simply needs tidying which if kept I would happily try and fix (I'm not going to improve it now incase it does get deleted. –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 23:45, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 09:40, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Randi Sundquist

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Sundquist was Miss Nevada. This alone is not enough to demonstrate notability. All the sources are from publications in the county she was from reporting on the one event of her being made Miss Nevada. One of the sources is a PR piece plain and simple. My google search for additional sources came up with a Linkedin article, an add page about her from her current employer, and not really anything else. Nothing to demonstrate that she is notable. John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:52, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Miss Delaware. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 18:11, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Brooke Mitchell

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Mitchell's only claim to notability is being Miss Delaware. This is not enough to establish notability. The article has what looks to be an impressive list of citations. However about half of them are beauty pageant PR releases. Others are name droppings related to her being a sub-state level teenage beauty pageant winner. Even the sources on her being Miss Delaware are largely those from her local paper. My google search came up with nothing substantial to show that she is notable. John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:20, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • delete per nom. MMall124 (talk) 17:51, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Plenty of sources cited. Unfortunately, nobody agrees that they establish notability. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:43, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Katherine Kelley

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Kelley was Miss Nevada. This title is not enough on its own to establish notability. The article creeps through low finishes with extremely local coverage. The coverage of her Nevada win is still all local. My search for more on google came up with articles that said things like "Kelley might make headlines as Nevada's first top 10 finisher" when the competition had not begun yet. At this time Kelley lacks long lasting or permanent notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 06:10, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment  Here are some of the sources from the article, ignoring obvious primary sources.
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  • Comment Why are people complaining about me not notifying a dead editor? That makes no sense at all. There is a notice that the article is nominated for deletion. Unscintillating seems to be trying to find any minor point to disrupt the deletion process.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:34, 17 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment  Here is more coverage I found using Google news:
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My close was based on the apparent lack of established standards. I have no opinion on the individual article as such. DGG ( talk ) 02:04, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: the workmanship may be superb, but the article still covers a non-notable subject. It contains copy such as:
  • "In 2009 she was a cast member of the Community Theater production of "Brighton Beach Memoirs".[19]"
This is trivia and a hallmark of a WP:PSEUDO BLP and should be correspondingly deleted. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:06, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Miss Nevada The subject is not independently notable other than the pageant. However, in this case it is a comparatively recent event 1-2 years) and there may be a chance of coverage. I suggest a redirect at this point. If a few years later there is no further coverage, it can be delete permanently. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 13:31, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete and redirect to Miss Colorado. MBisanz talk 22:28, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Diana Dreman

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Diana Dreman was Miss Colorado, but she gets very little notice for that. Just very local coverage, not enough to justify an article. Some of the coverage she gets is more novelty coverage because she is the first person whose mother was Miss America to win a state Miss America title. This is not enough to justify a free standing article on her. John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:07, 18 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete does not meet WP:GNG.--CaroleHenson (talk) 06:26, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I stated that the topic meets two different criteria for notability.  Unscintillating (talk) 05:01, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm OK with a redirect, per Dennis Bratland -- RoySmith (talk) 14:16, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:07, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Help and Support Center

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This one-line permanent stub suffers from lack of notability and lack of contents. It is run-of-the-mill, not something that stands out and becomes notable. Codename Lisa (talk) 06:04, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • And incorrect too. Manuals only contain manual-like instructions. You can cite a manual only when you want to write a manual. Otherwise, the only thing you get out of a manual for Wikipedia is passing mentions. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 10:47, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even if there is a restriction on citing a manual it still doesn't mean that we can't have an article about a manual based on non-manual sources, such as the ones found by Vejvančický's searches. That's really not a difficult concept to grasp, so please try do do so rather than continue to argue about an utterly irrelevant policy. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 12:15, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Blah, blah, blah. Hypothetical nonsense nobody cares about. The truth is, the article has stayed a worthless one liner because it cannot possibly become anything else. Vejvančický didn't find source; he has found a lot of search engine hits and is doing a WP:LOTSOFSOURCES argument. Lots of trivial mentions don't make the article notable. If there was really something usable in those source, you two wouldn't have wasted time improving it. Codename Lisa (talk) 10:48, 28 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • For once I actually agree with CL on this, I mean what more can you say about a Help and Support center? If 86.17.222.157 has some ideas, let's see a list of them. Why don't you take the time, 86.17.222.157, to make this page longer? WikIan -(talk) 22:36, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Please see my list about the sources below. WikIan -(talk) 23:11, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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My nomination does not even have a reference to WP:NOTGUIDE but it does apply because 86.17.222.157 proposed improving the article with guide-like contents. Codename Lisa (talk) 05:40, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I said nothing of the sort. And none of the random web sources that you linked was found by the book searches that Champion and Vejvančický linked, so it still seems that you did not check those sources. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 13:52, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
"And none of the random web sources that you linked was found by the book searches that Champion and Vejvančický linked". Wrong. Codename Lisa (talk) 12:18, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
This obtuseness is getting extremely tiresome. Just look at the sources that you linked above and tell us which of them is a book that can be found via this or this search? Multiple editors are showing you where sources can be found but you persist in refusing to look there. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 12:28, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I clicked on the Vejvančický's first link and picked the first four search results. Codename Lisa (talk) 13:56, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
And my comment, which you falsely claimed to be wrong, was clearly about Vejvančický's and Champion's book searches. It's very difficult to conduct a civil discussion when you don't take any notice of what anyone else says and wrongly accuse people of lying. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 14:45, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It may be notable, but it would best be put here. This article was created in 2009 and has not been updated very much since then. If placed with a larger article, it may be updated more frequently. Additionally, I believe this feature was removed in Windows 10? It was augmented with the Help+Tips app in 8.1, and I can't find it anymore in 10. Someone correct me if I'm wrong. WikIan -(talk) 15:44, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • That would be a very bad idea. If this was simply incorporated into the list article (where, of course, it should be listed) any expansion would be rightly resisted as undue emphasis. I haven't used any version of Windows later than Windows 7, but whether this feature exists in later versions would only be relevent if this article was intended as a guide for users of current versions of Windows, which it is not. Notability does not expire, and we keep articles about notable topics. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 21:19, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Right, notability doesn't expire, but I'm positive it doesn't have notability in the first place. At least to justify it's own article.
  1. The cited web sources only talk about a single bug! Is that what you want an article to state? A single bug? That doesn't justify an article, that is for a news article. There simply isn't enough to explain what it does or what to do with it.
  2. The book sources include exactly one page on how to access it and how to use it (which we cannot put in the article do to WP:NOTMANUAL
  3. One of the sources points out the anatomy of the help center, which isn't good article content
  4. The Other source has a HALF a page on how to start the center, which isn't article content either. WikIan -(talk) 23:10, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • So I take it that you've looked at the 96 book sources linked by Vejvančický and the 6,650 linked by Champion? Or has Codename Lisa's role as the editor who refuses to engage with what other editors are saying in this discussion been passed on to you? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 23:26, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Even if I did look at all "96 book sources", I'm pretty sure they would all say the same things that the first few sources do. How and when to use the Help and Support Center, nothing more. Furthermore, I doubt anyone else has access to all of these books and am willing to even say that no one will buy these books for the sole purpose of adding any feasible amount of information (which I'm sure doesn't exist) to this article. If you could come up with a list of items YOU would add to the article, I would be happy to read it. WikIan -(talk) 19:16, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A quote "If there is no usable content, however, it may well be best to delete." You have not demonstrated what content is usable. WikIan -(talk) 21:41, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
What content in the article is not usable? We don't delete or merge articles simply for being short. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 22:12, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Aha! That's what I am talking about: Ignoring parts of policies, guidelines and essays that aren't in your favor! Yes, we do merge pages because they are short. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 07:58, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually in my list above, 86.17.222.157, I DID demonstrate how your provided sources can not be used. YOU have yet to list how there IS notable information that can be used. WikIan -(talk) 19:53, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I am not refusing to get the point, but simply refuting the arguments that have been given for deletion. Nobody calling for deletion here has given any explanation of how the very many books from reliable publishers with coverage of this topic do not constitute a pass of the general notability guideline. I would also add that WP:SIZERULE is a suggestion, and far from being policy. We don't merge articles simply for having fewer than an arbitrary number of characters. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 19:31, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Refuting it for who? For me. I stick to my "Delete", thank you; you are clearly ignoring parts of policies, guidelines and essay that are not in your favor. That's all you have done so far, apart from attacking people and calling them a liar while at the same time preaching them about being an adult. FleetCommand (Speak your mind!) 07:58, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete. Minor aspect of the OS, possibly redirect to something related. If nobody has bothered to expand this article in all these years, this indicates of how little importance it is to anybody. We are not a technical documentation for operating systems.  Sandstein  12:48, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • The statement that "if nobody has bothered to expand this article in all these years, this indicates of how little importance it is to anybody" goes against the whole ethos of Wikipedia. What matters is whether the sources exist to write a policy-compliant article, not whether Wikipedia editors have chosen to grow it past some arbitrary size within some arbitrary deadline. Am I the only person here old enough to remember that this was proclaimed, and not only by Microsoft, as one of the most important features of Windows ME, but then pretty well universally ridiculed when people saw how useless it was? 86.17.222.157 (talk) 19:26, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: The "further reading" section already demonstrates notability, and other types of sources are likely available, such as the one I just cited in the article. Mdrnpndr (talk) 15:49, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Notability is not inherited. WP:INHERIT. Just because a product is popular does not make its manual notable. What is there about the "who what when where why" of this manual that makes it interesting and notable? Are independent sources writing about its unique features? Was it the first online manual? No, I see nothing notable about this manual that is not really about the product it describes. RichardMathews (talk) 00:44, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to List of Autobots. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 14:56, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Signal Flare (Transformers)

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Minor fictional element from the Transformers universe. No evidence of any real-world notability. Josh Milburn (talk) 01:31, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. North America1000 04:20, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stacy Lee

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I looked for additional sources on Lee and found nothing that approaches being a reliable, indepth 3rd party source. The one source her is as much about Lilith Fair as it is about Lee, if not more so. There is no indication that she meets any of the notability guidelines for musicians.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:27, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 01:02, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Eta Uso

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A blogger who graduated in 2014, clearly a very able student but there's nothing here to prove he's widely known, or had a chance to develop a successful career. Most of these citations are to pieces of writing by him, or to his alma mater's website. Time for it to go. Sionk (talk) 15:25, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • I politely disagree that 'Eta Uso' is not widely known. However, referring to an individual as whether being widely known or not, can also be based on perspective. To this end, I will say that though he might not be a household name when using a wholistic context, he is however popular in his country - Nigeria and I think this will suffice as well. He is widely known within the non governmental community, mostly as a youth and democracy activist and the articles in question, though mostly written by him, they have however been published on very popular and famous websites due to his notability. I will also like to add that his Twitter page (https://twitter.com/royaltyuso) is also verified by Twitter and this action by Twitter further speaks, moreso boldly of his notability. Based on this, I politely request you reconsider your request for deletion as the individual in question is a notable individual Sandynigerian (talk) 16:02, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
You'd need to find some proof of this. If he is popular or important then there should be some secondary, independent coverage about him. That is the essence of Wikipedia's WP:GNG. Apart from the Bangor University magazine, everything cited in the article is by him, not independent. Sionk (talk) 21:22, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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That's not about him either, it's a short quote from him on a political website. Sionk (talk) 01:31, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Governorship elections, just like Presidential elections, are taken very seriously in Nigeria. And we will both agree that the coverage on Watching The Vote website focuses strictly on expectations from duly accredited Civil Societies by the Independent National Electoral Commission (INEC). INEC is the sole body of government which is in charge of elections in Nigeria. Now to make my point; 1. INEC will not give accreditation to random individuals or organizations to monitor or observe elections in Nigeria, except you have attained a certain degree of influence and status in the society as it relates to election causes. 2. #WatchingTheVote (the website that independently featured him) is guided by the Declaration of Global Principles for Nonpartisan Election Observation (DoGP) and Code of Conduct for Nonpartisan Election Observers and Monitors. This is a very high level non-partisan body and they also do not seek and publish expectations from random individuals but from influential individuals and organization who have the clout to shape or dictate narratives by their words and action. In addition, and like I pointed out earlier, his popularity is in an uncommon sector (civil society and non-government) and as such, assessing him in same notability context of politicians or music stars will not be a fair assessment.

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I respectfully disagree with User Taketa, as I have given significant evidence to the contrary above.. Sandynigerian (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:02, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, the wiki has since been updated with additional references since this discussion began Sandynigerian (talk) 17:46, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Only 2 of the references are about the subject and they are both from a university paper. All other are written by the subject or the subject makes a comment. That is not sufficient by far. There need to be multiple text specifically about the subject by reliable noteworthy neutral secundaire sources. I see not a single one. -- Taketa (talk) 18:59, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, your concerns have already been addressed in detail in earlier discussions above. Sandynigerian (talk) 00:45, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I have read your explanations and they are not a satisfactory reason to keep the article. The only way to change my opinion is by adding the sources I requested which you have not done so far. -- Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 03:20, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:23, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Connor

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Does not meet WP:GNG the only GHIT news articles I could find came from his own IPTV station Domdeparis (talk) 17:00, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/romford_male_chat_show_will_use_banter_to_tackle_issues_1_4715617
  2. ^ http://www.harlowstar.co.uk/former-king-of-rwanda-visits-harlow-for-essex-tv-film/story-29502687-detail/story.html
  • keep I have researched him further and found a handful of independent articles - Romford Recorder, Barking And Dagenham Post and Braintree and Witham Times, I live in South London and all these 3 are substantial local papers that I have heard off and to be fair Essex TV is quite a strong brand locally and Jay being the brains behind the operation makes sense. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.140.172 (talk) 01:23, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Having also lived in London, I haven't heard of these newspapers because they're local and concentrated in small areas of East London (and Essex in the case of the latter). Sources need to be reliable and there needs to be a great deal of them. st170etalk 00:41, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Miss Tennessee USA. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 18:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Molly Brown (pageant titleholder)

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Brown was Miss Tennessee USA and Miss Tennessee Teen USA back in the 1980s. This article mainly demonstrates why such is not ground for notability. It is primarily sourced to her small hometown newspaper. 30 years later we know absolutely nothing about what she has done over the last 30 years. My search for sources came up with nothing showing any notability. The previous keep was largely a result of an unwillingness to consider the cases on their merits, but instead going to a knee jerk position that just because the title is claimed it is important. In the case of Miss some US state that is not the case, especially with multiple competing beauty contests.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:48, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cerebellum (talk) 22:44, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Hood was bot Miss Tennessee and Miss Tennessee USA. Neither of these titles on their own is enough to make one notable, so the combination of the two titles does not make one notable either. The sourcing is just not there and my search for more sources just showed up lots of blog type sources, nothing reliable. The article has major sourcing problems too. Her marriage is sourced to basically a paid wedding annoucement, but it is more an unpaid posted on the internet one. The sourcing does not establish notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:25, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Cerebellum (talk) 22:45, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stephanie Guerrero

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Guerrero was Miss Texas USA. The only source that seems to have taken note of this is a paper in her hometown of Lubbock. The other source in the article is just listing her as loosing to another competitor for Miss Texas USA in another year who that paper took localist notice of. This is not a position of lasting significance. My google search did not turn up any additional sources to add toward notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:18, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:20, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Stephanie Culberson

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Culberson has the same problem as so many other state level beauty queens. This is all she has done of note, and is just not the level of accomplishment to make someone permanently encyclopedically notable. The fact she was both Miss Tennessee and Miss Tennessee USA does not overcome this fact. The previous discussion closed keep because some of the people might be notable on other grounds, however there are no such other ground for Culberson.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:06, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:19, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Amy Colley

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Colley's only marginal claim to notability is being Miss Tennessee, and this is not enough on its own to establish notability. She was dating Kenny Chesney for a short time, and got very limited notice due to this, but not enough to make her notable on her own. My search for sources showed facebook and blog mentions but not reliable sources that would bring this article to passing the general notability guidelines. John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:01, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I am not finding sources to establish notability. I am finding some things related to her dating life, like Kenny, and things about other Amy Colleys.--CaroleHenson (talk) 09:32, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:17, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tucker Perry

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Perry was Miss Tennessee USA. This alone is not enough to establish notability. Her acting in music videos is way below the threshold of notability, and the coverage she has received in sources is no where near enough to pass the general notability guidelines. John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:53, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:16, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Suzie Heffernan

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Heffernan's only even half-baked claim to notability was being Miss South Dakota USA, and this is not enough by any stretch of the imagination to establish notability. The coverage is all the "local girl makes good" type. My search showed up no additional reliable sources that might add any possible notability. John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:38, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Accommodation_at_the_University_of_Hong_Kong#Lee_Hysan_Hall. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 14:53, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Hysan Hall

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Not notable residence hall, with intricate detail that would be of no interest except to students or prospective students. The residential colleges of some world famous universities are notable, but even they do not contain such absurd detail as a photo of the photocopying machine. Normally we would call this sort of detail promotional. The previous afd closed as Redirect to the list of residence halls, at the university, but the article was recreated. DGG ( talk ) 03:16, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 00:59, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

NRJ Ukraine

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The subject of the article has received no independent, non-trivial coverage. Thegreatgrabber (talk) contribs 05:36, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non notable article without reliable sources.→SeniorStar (talk) 05:41, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy deletion (G5). (non-admin closure) st170etalk 17:13, 14 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

End-to-end testing

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Since only one book is listed, and nothing is said about notability, the real purpose of this article appears to be to publicize the book. A redirect to system testing would be in order with this information included there. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:47, 25 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep on the basis that terminology is inconsistent or "fuzzy" in this field[1] and "end-to-end testing" is sometimes, though not always, distinguished from "system testing", as indeed in this article although none too clearly. End-to-end testing is "usually similar to system testing, but [undertaken]... to test a user's complete interaction with the system"[1] or it's done "for multiple interrelated systems ... to verify that all interrelated systems ... are tested in an operational environment.".[2] Another source talks about "... a full range of unit, integration, system, stress testing, and end-to-end testing...".[3](my emphasis) A better article could be made on this topic: Noyster (talk), 12:52, 1 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ a b Lydia Ash (16 May 2003). The Web Testing Companion: The Insider's Guide to Efficient and Effective Tests. Wiley. p. 37-38. ISBN 978-0-471-43021-6.
  2. ^ Information Technology: Census Bureau needs to Improve Its Risk Management of Decennial Systems. DIANE Publishing. p. 13. ISBN 978-1-4223-9876-0.
  3. ^ Aviation security Secure Flight development and testing under way, but risks should be managed as system is further developed : report to congressional committees. DIANE Publishing. p. 64. ISBN 978-1-4289-3060-5.
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  • Redirect and salvage what content is possible to salvage. It's not a common term (as is noted by Noyster) and a section in system testing would suffice to indicate what the differences are, and the redirect would be enough for the one or two links that may exist or be created. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:29, 6 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to North_Rocks,_New_South_Wales#Commercial_area. – Juliancolton | Talk 00:58, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

North Rocks Shopping Centre

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fails WP:GNG. at 21000 square metres and one floor this is actually one of the smallest shopping centres in Sydney. And has no significant coverage LibStar (talk) 10:27, 19 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep for now or merge - plans have been approved for the council to sell additional land to the Centre, and their plans to expand have been approved, incluing Sydney's first 24x7 supermarket. No construction details have been announced yet. (I have added these briefly to the article.) I would prefer to see a clearer picture of what will come of this before deciding. Otherwise, I would second the idea of merging it into North Rocks, New South Wales. --Gronk Oz (talk) 10:17, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
every suburban shopping centre has plans for upgrades. Having the first 24 7 supermarket is hardly a claim of notability. LibStar (talk) 10:24, 8 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
That may be so, but not all of those plans are approved, nor the council's commitment to sell them the extra land. So they're more than just wishful thinking, which might describe many of those other "plans".--Gronk Oz (talk) 06:30, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
you'll find in australia most plans for expansion of shopping centres are approved. LibStar (talk) 10:03, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and Redirect as the cknsensus here is clear it's not independently notable and there exists no actual substance, hence there's nothing to actually merge or keep hence delete. This all is sufficient for deletion, regardless

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The result was Speedy Deleted per CSD G4 RickinBaltimore (talk) 16:17, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Top Model Odgerel

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Seems to be fake and/or self-promotion. bender235 (talk) 20:02, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it seems this a replicate of the already deleted Odgerel (Top Model). This should speed up the deletion process. --bender235 (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. --BDD (talk) 18:01, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The Grand Tour (1997 TV series)

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Not notable, seemingly only created due to the presence of The Grand Tour (2016 TV series). TheKaphox T 16:21, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Moving The Grand Tour (2016 TV series) back to The Grand Tour (TV series) is a valid point. With only one article there is no need for disambiguation by year. --AussieLegend (✉) 14:29, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It would be great if other editors with a specialised interest in The Grand Tour (2016 TV series) (Dyolf87 and AussieLegend especially…) could help positively contribute to the wider encyclopedia and expand the stub - Why would I help expand this article? Is it within my field of interest? All the article tells you is that it was (allegedly) produced by Jupiter Entertainment (there is no source confirming that it was actually produced), and that there was a trademark application filed in 1996. Imdb says there were 2 seasons, but imdb is not a reliable source. There is basically nothing that we know about this series, certainly not enough to warrant an article. If you want to create one, then create it in draft space and move it to mainspace after it meets the GNG, which it doesn't now. --AussieLegend (✉) 09:19, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Why would I wish to spend my time researching a twenty-year-old TV show just to fill out an unneeded article? The Google results for 'The Grand Tour' will soon push the 1997 series down the results, as it is TWENTY years old! The Grand Tour (2016 TV series) is the only currently airing programme with that title. All you have succeded in doing is drawing search engines' attention to the 1997 series. Therefore the sooner the page is deleted and The Grand Tour (2016 TV series) returns to The Grand Tour (TV series) the better. -- Dyolf87 (talk) 10:49, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Delete Nothing mentioned in the article as to where it aired at all (A&E), but this was basically an unexceptional exotic home/estate tour series which was barely notable at the time and certainly isn't well-remembered at all (think a low-budget Lifestyles of the Rich & Famous clone, but without Robin Leach or charisma, or your average Biography clone in the peak of every cable network launching their own bio series). I could be convinced to weak keep if sources are found, but as-is I'm doubting that more than just 'it exists at this timeslot in TV listings' paper sourcing can be found for this series. Nate • (chatter) 04:56, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per nom and Mrschimpf. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 08:00, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The article now contains no citations as the only previous one is now a dead link. So it's now an unencyclopaedic entry with no information of any value and no references and should never have been made. Dyolf87 (talk) 13:49, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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I didn't know I was voting... Dyolf87 (talk) 22:14, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus. North America1000 04:31, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails GNG. Non-notable entrepreneur and page appears to be promotional. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 12:25, 20 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. He is the co-founder of one of the renowned and recognized marketplaces of India. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Becktea (talk • contribs) 20:53, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The company Voonik has a page, the other co-founder Sujayath Ali has a page and Navaneetha has been covered in several publications online about his journey with Voonik and entrepreneurship. So the page must stay. Angreza (talk) 11:40, 9 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to List of things named after Donald Trump. With some caveats: There's not consensus to just dump stuff from one list into the other, or to redirect, but rather consensus is to create one list of all things Trump (with a name still to be worked out) such that it is clear what belongs to Trump or his organization, and what is just named after him. That's because it's clear from most "keep" opinions that many editors consider this a relevant distinction that should not be omitted.  Sandstein  08:15, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

List of assets owned by the Trump Organization

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Useless list; all contents and more is already on List of things named after Donald Trump. — JFG talk 23:10, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Merge to Trump Organization, really duplicate information. That article could use a dose of neutrality, for instance on the Trump Winery, it says: "Although the vineyard is 1,300 acres, only 200 are under cultivation ("Acres under vine")." Wow. I'm sure if people knew that 1,100 acres of potential wine cultivation was sitting idle they wouldn't have voted for him. Thoughtmonkey (talk) 11:52, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep/Merge as above but into a consolidated list article as List of things named after Donald Trump, which can be broken up into assets specifically owned by Trump Org. versus those in which he has shares versus those to which he licenses his name or brand(s). This listing page should also now be expanded to include organizations owned separately by any of his children to whom he is now entrusting his company and family whom he is putting in positions of political power. Again, the scope of such a list is now beyond that of documenting the Trump Organization – it is to carefully have all of the President-Elect's known financial and nominal interests listed. SamuelRiv (talk) 05:20, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
A noble endeavour, but is this the job of Wikipedia? Regardless, we don't need this list in three different places (Trump Org, Things named after Trump and this page). — JFG talk 07:37, 16 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:14, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Pablo Pereira Caro

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Fails WP:GNG. I could not find any reliable sources offering significant coverage of this person. Odie5533 (talk) 22:38, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:12, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Jaime Crunchbird

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HERE IS A RELIABLE SOURCE; https://pig-records.rocks/crunchbird

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No reliable sources in article. Improvement tags on article have been removed repeatedly by author without fixing the issues. Every single reference is to a self-published source: a wiki, facebook, youtube, blogspot etc. and 4 or 5 references just point to a photograph. Consequently I have been unable to verify a single fact within this Biography of a Living Person and it should be removed. Exemplo347 (talk) 22:14, 4 December 2016 (UTC):[reply]

You are wrong about that statement. Allmusic is not a self generated website or Wiki. Vagrant records Seattle is a standalone record label and has beenin existenxe for 25 plus years in the pacifc Northwest. That "just a photograph" you refer to is part of the University of Washington logo history website which is owned and operated by the University of Washington. Please explain to us how the University of Washington archives is not a legitimate source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.97.141.50 (talk) 18:39, 19 December 2016‎ (UTC)[reply]

those statements are not true — Preceding unsigned comment added by 38.122.136.26 (talk) 22:43, 4 December 2016‎ (UTC)[reply]

Would you care to elaborate? Please provide a point-by-point breakdown of the individual statements you do not believe are true, so I can respond correctly. Exemplo347 (talk) 22:48, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. I recommend reading Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources and Wikipedia:Articles for Creation before writing any more about this. czar 08:38, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Evodant Interactive

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This is simply a PR advertising business listing, regardless of anything because both WP:NIT is being violated as it's clearly only a business listing, two, none of thid establishes any genuine independent notability and substance; with this said, the links are literally as trivial and unconvincing as it gets because they are not actual significant coverage news, let alone notability. SwisterTwister talk 22:13, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

WhiskeyZuluXray (talk) 03:15, 5 December 2016 (UTC) I'm not sure how this is any different than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkane_Studios, but as this is my first article maybe I'm missing something.[reply]

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WhiskeyZuluXray (talk) 19:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC) Agreed, I added a relevant narrative section and updated the references since their own website doesn't point to the correct citations.[reply]

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WhiskeyZuluXray (talk) 16:11, 12 December 2016 (UTC) As per my previous comment, this page contains more info now than this one - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arkane_Studios. How does this page page warrant deletion and that one doesn't? Other examples of similar pages are: - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Studios - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artdink - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour_Interactive - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bits_Studios - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coded_Illusions - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crafts_%26_Meister[reply]

...to list just a handful.

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WhiskeyZuluXray (talk) 16:16, 12 December 2016 (UTC) But honestly, with the host of issues the page has had. Go ahead and delete it and I'll start over.[reply]

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The result was delete.  Sandstein  10:56, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Tourball

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Cannot find any secondary sources and the only reference is a dead link. Does not meet notability requirement for games or sports. Rogermx (talk) 03:56, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to List of Autobots. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 14:52, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lightspeed (Transformers)

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Minor element in the Transformers universe. No evidence of real-world notability. Prod disputed. Josh Milburn (talk) 14:23, 26 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete- Another bad plot-heavy article about a minor, non-notable fictional character. All the available sources are to the work of fiction itself, or fan websites. There is no content that could plausibly be merged, and making a redirect to some list or other after deletion is up to editor discretion. Reyk YO! 09:16, 27 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete. – Juliancolton | Talk 00:57, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Natalia Starr

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A BLP lacking in reliable secondary sources that that discuss the subject directly and in detail. Article sourced to non-independent industry materials or tabloids. Recently added Polska Times content appears to be citing to tabloid-like content as well. The best I could find was TMZ and Wikipedia does not generally cite to tabloids. Does not meet WP:PORNBIO as only two nominations are listed.

The notability tag has been contested and it may be best to resolve the issue via AfD. The first AfD in 2015 closed as no consensus, so this would be a good time to revisit. K.e.coffman (talk) 01:02, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep. Should not be considered as a 'porn-only' notoriety in my humble opinion. Decent international notoriety as porn actress albeit without awards won; notable for having been a Penthouse Pet in diptych with her sister as well as for her being a Polish celebrity. Creating a page or redirect for her sister could therefore be useful. Nota: the 'listed nominations' mentioned above were oddly removed from the page before the debate was launched (see the article talk page).--DPD (t) 01:32, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep (Weak). Weak because of the dearth of independent sources. But she has twice been nominated for the "Best New Starlet," a criteria for notability (WP:ANYBIO). Less important, IMDb has a page on her. Caballero/Historiador ⎌ 05:21, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Caballero1967: Two XBIZ nominations is nowhere near meeting WP:PORNBIO. Award nominations have been dropped from this SNG a long time ago. Besides, XBIZ is not the Nobel Prize :-). K.e.coffman (talk) 22:25, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@K.e.coffman: Could you explain the SNG drop and why you think the award is not worth considering? We should discard all awards if the standard is the Nobel Prize. I am all ears. :) Caballero/Historiador ⎌ 22:58, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'd suggest reviewing Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people)/Archive_2014#RfC:_As_regards_WP:PORNBIO.2C_should_the_criteria_for_awards_nominations_be_removed_from_the_guideline.3F and the discussion immediately beneath that RFC. One important reason was the increasingly outlandish proliferation of award categories and nominations within most categories. One incarnation of AVN's fan awards had categories with up to 100 nominees, and most categories from the more prominent awardgivers have more than a dozen nominees. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 00:28, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak delete. Uh, Polish celebrity - hardly. In addition to the English language article in a minor Polish-American newspaper, I checked Polish language coverage. All I see is an article in regional (provincial) newspaper (Kurier Lubelski (pl:Kurier Lubelski) [32]), a single paragraph at a news section of a bigger portal onet.pl, and a bunch of articles in tabloid Super Express. Borderline at best, and frankly, given that majority of coverage comes from tabloids, trade journals and a single local newspaper, well, I think we usually lean towards delete with no other arguments, and as the remaining question should be whether she fails PORNBIO - and nobody disputed the nominator's claim she is not.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 03:50, 5 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. No genuine international notoriety or celebrity. Such claims are based on unreliable tabloidery, including one source whose extensively referenced native-language Wikipedia article [33] points out its reputation for "misconduct and disregard for the rules of journalistic ethics" and "the administration of untruth and creat[ion of] fictional material". What's happened here is fairly straightforward: a flurry of posts on social media claimed (without any credible evidence) that the winner of a quite minor beauty pageant ("Miss Polonia Manhattan") had become a porn performer. ([34] seems to be the starting point, apparently based only on visual resemblances in a few photos. Sources which base their reporting on social media aren't reliable, and can't support a BLP. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 13:13, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete non-notable pornographic performer. Our guidelines clearly say we should not create articles built on tabloid coverage, which this article would be.John Pack Lambert (talk) 20:51, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • delete we rightly expect better coverage from blps. Spartaz Humbug! 22:02, 11 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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  • I wouldn't rely on an outside wiki article to determine reputation as there is potential for coatracking, and I can't track the underlying sourcing (if there is any and whether it's from competition or an actual academic journal). Even the best of newspapers, most notably the New York Times, have had journalistic failings. I see these populist foreign papers that are in tabloid formats to be the equivalent of something like the New York Post which has never been outright rejected as a source for wikipedia. Morbidthoughts (talk) 22:23, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect to Grong Sparebank. (non-admin closure) SSTflyer 14:48, 19 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Verran Sparebank

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No sources found for this defunct bank to pass WP:COMPANY. The article has also been unsourced for 10 years. GeoffreyT2000 (talk, contribs) 00:20, 4 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. joe deckertalk 21:06, 21 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Dr Asif Shahid

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Non-notable individual lacking non-trivial support. reddogsix (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete and Salt given the 3 deletions now and it's clear in the sheer blatancy of it existing again within 4 months again; if this should ever come in mainspace again, it will be at AfC, not by a starting user themselves. WP:NOT applies because it's clear this is not going to be anything else but advertising. SwisterTwister talk 02:13, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • This article Dr Asif Shahid should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... (Dr Asif Shahid is a notable journalist from Pakistan)[1][2][3] [4] [5] [6] [7]

References

  1. ^ Dr Asif Shahid (15 April 2009). "Taliban, ISI and future of Pakistan (in Urdu:طالبان، آئی ایس آئی اور پاکستان کا مستقبل)". sachiidosti.com. Retrieved 12 December 2016.
  2. ^ "Pakistani Newspapers". Online Newspapers. onlinenewspapers.com. Retrieved 12 December 2016.
  3. ^ "92 News HD". 92newshd.tv. Retrieved 12 December 2016.
  4. ^ "Dr Asif Shahid". Pakistani Journalists. pakistanijournalists.blogspot.com. Retrieved 12 December 2016.
  5. ^ "Daily Nai Baat Lahore". naibaat.com.pk. Chaudhry Abdul Rehman. Retrieved 12 December 2016.
  6. ^ "Daily Khabrain Lahore". Zia Shahid. Retrieved 12 December 2016.
  7. ^ Dr Asif Shahid. "Taliban Or Pakistan Ka Mustaqbil". sachiidosti.com. Retrieved 12 December 2016.
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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 08:07, 20 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Devinda Subasinghe

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Fails WP:ANYBIO. Ambassadors are not inherently notable. All the references are deadlinks- there is no evidence to support notability. Dan arndt (talk) 00:16, 12 December 2016 (UTC) Dan arndt (talk) 00:16, 12 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy keep. Closing early per WP:BURO. Nomination does not appear to have been made in good faith. (non-admin closure) Ramaksoud2000 (Talk to me) 05:38, 13 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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