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Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, et al

Cheers, again. I saw your name in edits for Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom, and wonder if you could have a look at a set of wholesale deletions I stumbled into yesterday. I'm presently going through one at a time, and making reversals and corrections. (Best I can say, is some few links did need updating.) It started with Fasken, and other editors stepped in. The deleting editor next hit Skadden, and so on. It's pretty tedious, of course, and your name appeared, like a shiny golden gift (if you get my drift, Mrs. T.) and I thought you might have some magic wand (also gold, of course). (Otherwise, I'll just carry on.) Lindenfall (talk) 18:53, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Interesting you should say that. That’s a brand new user, called Histnewbie, whose first edits here were to puff up the article Fasken; most of that was primary sourced puffery and has been reverted. Then they went through a bunch of other law firms deleting material as improperly sourced.[1] I found someone at Talk:Fasken who is suspicious about COI editing and I think that may be what we are looking at here. I don’t have any magic wands to deal with this, I’m afraid; we will just have to evaluate their edits individually and revert or modify as needed. Actually I am going to follow up on one suspicion, and then see about the other articles. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:58, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Let me know if I should do anything now... I'm not meaning to pass the workload of it on to you, but thought your laser wand was needed. Lindenfall (talk) 20:11, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

I've done some research at that article and I think I have evidence of sockpuppetry. I'm planning to file an investigation about that. If they are socks we can delete them all without further ado, so maybe hold off until we get a SPI result. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:27, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

I kind of thought that, but more senior editors reversed some, yet didn't seem to react that way, so I didn't know how to proceed (until your name appeared, like a golden gift from Mrs. T). Thankful for your expertise. Lindenfall (talk) 20:48, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Glad to know other editors are working on it; they of course don't know the big picture. Neither did I until I looked at Talk:Fasken. I'm going to file an SPI request and see we can learn. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:56, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Having followed the trail to this, does it mean nothing will be done? No block on disruptive edits? Should I just go back to individual edit assessments? What would Melania do? Lindenfall (talk) 18:26, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

What would Melania do? She would just wait - I bet she spends a lot of her time doing that. (At least we both look pretty while doing it! 0;-D) As you can see from WP:SPI, it is in the queue to be looked at. SPI is pretty backed up, and cases like this - where they can't do a checkuser so they will have to evaluate it behaviorally - can take a long time so people do them last. They'll get around to it eventually. Meanwhile, I'm not seeing disruption. Histnewbie laid low for a few days, and now has tried again to upload the photo. Want to bet it still doesn't pass muster? -- MelanieN (talk) 19:20, 4 February 2019 (UTC) P.S. I see he is claiming it is in the public domain in Canada. I'll let somebody with more copyright expertise figure out if that is correct or not. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:27, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh, I see. The last comment there read declined, so I couldn't tell if that banner up top meant anything now. That photo just might past muster, but looks to be the very least of the issues created with copious edits. Thanks for clarifying, Mrs. T. Lindenfall (talk) 20:02, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

@MelanieN: Considering the timing and their edits, it looks to me like OhSweetNuthin may be the new Histnewbie. What would Mrs. T. do? Lindenfall (talk) 23:46, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Weird the way they are following him around and undoing his tags; not suggestive that they are the same person but we could keep an eye on the situation. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:28, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

I thought so, by their phrasings, as well. No envy for Admins... you all have your work cut out for you around here, times how many languages? ...bit of a mind-boggle. And, thank you for all that unboggles. Lindenfall (talk) 01:45, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Looks like a copycat. For once I'm not behind the events unfolding.Histnewbie —Preceding undated comment added 02:44, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

I am not anything but disagreeing with the major contributor and advertising flags that were put on the ones I removed it from. Lindenfall even thanked me for removing the ones on O'Melveny & Myers. To insinuate I would be helping someone who I disagree with is baffling to say the least. I put all my reasonings in the edit summary and was requested by Histnewbie to do that on the talk pages, which I will moving forward.--OhSweetNuthin (talk) 22:58, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Miz T... I thought this would have ended by now... what do you think? https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jones_Day&diff=prev&oldid=885035827 I didn't even mean to notice, but something popped up on my watch list. (Internet's been spotty, at best, lately, but I'll be back soon.) Lindenfall (talk) 00:20, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Draft:Mitrasen

This page was deleted by you as a "redirect to a deleted page". However, the page this was redirected to, was moved to the draft space by a new editor. It should be undeleted and have its history restored to move back to the mainspace (Mitrasen). -- Flooded w/them 100s 09:08, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, Flooded. Actually the “page this was redirected to” had no significant content or history. It was the result of a confused series of moves by a new user. I have just reviewed the whole history of the pages Mitrasen, Mitrasen Yadav, Mitrasen (disambiguation), and Draft: Mitrasen. I can lay it all out for you complete with time stamps if you want, but here’s the Cliff Notes version: An article about Indian politician Mitrasen Yadav was originally created in 2006 under the name Mitrasen. It was moved to Mitrasen Yadav in 2012, leaving a redirect. Mitrasen Yadav is the only page with any significant content or history, and it was undisturbed by the recent shenanigans. Everything the new user did involved moves of the redirect page Mitrasen. That included creating the pages Mitrasen (disambiguation) and Draft:Mitrasen, both I which I deleted - the DAB page per G14 as an unnecessary DAB, and the draft page per G4 as a redirect to the (now deleted) DAB page. The draft page never had any significant content, just the redirect to the DAB page. As far as I can see, everything is now as it was: Mitrasen as a redirect to Mitrasen Yadav, the page to which it was moved in 2012. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:08, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

That's great! Thanks for explaining and sorting things out. -- Flooded w/them 100s 17:36, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

And I see that isn't the end of it! There was another mess today having to do with Master Mitrasen, aka Master Mitrasen Thapa Magar, which you helped to fix.[2] Apparently someone moved one or both of those articles to Wikipedia space.[3][4] I'm glad other people fixed it and I am not even going to try to sort out what happened. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Writer's Barnstar

Hi MelanieN,

Thank you for your addition to the Fasken history in the talk page. I will try to update the history and will let you know. You can review it at that point and let me know if it's okay.

Additionally, feel free to let me know if I am doing anything that would be considered stepping out of bounds. That's not my goal!

Histnewbie (talk) 20:15, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar. Since it's so complicated (I would have trouble figuring it out myself), you might propose your version with references at the talk page for review. If we can get some well sourced history into the article, it will add to the firm's claim to notability. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:20, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Page blanking

Hi,

I don't know if you still stalk my talk page, but do you think I was right to blank Military establishment of the Roman Empire? It's caused more hoo-ha than I thought it would, and I think Botteville think I'm accusing him of copying. Should I perhaps have consulted an admin first? I can't help but think I've yet again made a right pig's ear of everything. (by the way, you're not one of the 'several editors who would rejoice if I were to leave Wikipedia and never come back' or one of those who 'tries to make me out to be a complete f*ckwit'. You should recognise the incidents I referred to, so I thought I'd clear that up in case that gets misconstrued, which is of course the last thing I want :)). Thanks. Adam9007 (talk) 00:32, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Adam! I’ve been AFC (away from computer) all day and I have no idea what has happened. I tried to figure it out from your talk page. Apparently you tagged Military establishment of the Roman Empire for possible copyright infringement. Judging from your talk page, you notified the person who originally created that article (splitting it off from a pre-existing article rather than writing it) and they were (mildly) unhappy; I can see why they might be, but they didn't make a big deal out of it. If that's all the "hoo-ha" that developed, it seems pretty minimal. I see mention of you leaving Wikipedia but I’m not sure why; you’ve really got to develop a thicker skin and not threaten to quit every time someone disagrees with you.

As for the article, it certainly doesn’t read much like an encyclopedia article, does it? Lead sentences: The Augustan reforms didn't change the military structure that much. Beginning with Gaius Marius (Marian Reforms). He changed the requirements to enlist in the legions. What led you to link this article up with the crystalinks site, anyhow? Did you just come across the article and decide to check it for copyvio, or what?

When I Google individual sentences from this article (my preferred method rather than using a tool) I find many Wikipedia mirrors like revolvy and WN. I also find it at a site called ancient-rome.info, which does not credit WP and has the gall to tag it “Copyright © 2019 Ancient-Rome.info” but is probably another mirror. You identified a problem with crystallinks, which does indeed seem to match the article very closely. Crystalinks calls itself a “metaphysics and science website” (judging from the web page I would call it more of a pseudoscience website). Anyhow it is a sort of blog created by one woman, who IMO is very unlikely to have written this historical thesis herself. What I mean is that she undoubtedly copied it from somewhere. You believe that couldn’t have been Wikipedia because your information is that the material was on Crystalinks as early as 2000, is that right? So if she copied it from somewhere, we don’t know where.

My feeling is that none of these other sites are likely to be the primary source of the information. If our information was copied from somewhere 13 years ago, we won’t be able to identify the source. IMO the most likely suspect would be the external link, “Augustan Legionaries” by Ross Cowan, but that’s a dead link that I can’t find anywhere on Google. User:Justlettersandnumbers offers the most logical analysis here, namely that if there is any copyvio it stems from the original article, Campaign history of the Roman military created in 2003, and infects all of its spinoffs. That article started out as just an outline and was gradually expanded by many people in what seems to have been pure OR - no sources ever cited. It wasn't copy-pasted as a whole, but portions may have been. If Justlettersandnumbers is willing to try to make some sense out of the history, at their convenience, I think that’s the best solution and heartily thank them for being willing to try. I would even question whether the article can be saved; the subject is notable but the article is a total violation of WP:Verifiability.

To answer your original question, I would not have tagged it as a copyvio because we don’t really have any idea what it might have been copying from. And I would not have blanked it; I don’t think WP is in any kind of legal trouble if we leave it open for another week or month. But these are judgment calls and are nothing to talk about leaving WP over. I do suggest you revert your tag and leave it to others to figure out. -- MelanieN (talk) 04:48, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Well, Adam9007, you got a lot of sound advice here! Unlike Melanie (hi!), I do think that that blanking the page was the right call – it can soon be unblanked if there's no problem, and if there is one, then it should be blanked. In case there's ever another time, the only thing I'd have done differently here - given the age, the uncertainty, and that the article creator is a long-established editor – is to leave a brief personal message ("can you help me to understand ...?") rather than the huge "standard" template message. I don't think you made a pig's ear here. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 10:16, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

I will certainly go along with leaving it blanked if that's JLAN's preference. (Hi back!) JLAN is certainly able to do any investigation needed using the history. In any case, blanking vs. not blanking was not a major issue or horrible error; more a matter of preference and judgment on which reasonable people can differ. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:41, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Cheers. I too have been away from my computer all day today :(. I didn't read the article thoroughly, but it didn't seem to be particularly encyclopaedic. On a whim, I decided to check for copyvios, and found that match, which, at the time, appeared to pre-date its presence on Wikipedia. I notice that the content on Crystallinks appeared in December 2005, so if the 'heavy edit' was indeed from a split then it could be a backwards copy and the only issue is attribution (Botteville said he wrote none of the original prose). Adam9007 (talk) 00:05, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

protection Russians

please restore protection page. Unregistred user regulary vandalised this page.Hatchiko (talk) 15:25, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Hatchiko, and thanks for your note. Actually the PC protection which is still in place seems to be working well. I see about one vandalism edit a week since the semi-protection ended. One a week is easily handled by page-watching and reverting, and responsible IPs and new users can still edit (with their edits subject to your approval). And while waiting for approval, the IP addition does not become a viewable part of the article. That's exactly the situation that PC is designed for. If it gets to the point where there are multiple vandalisms a day, let me know and I could add temporary semi-protection again. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:52, 5 February 2019 (UTC)

Please remove the Fiat Freemont page protection

Please remove the Fiat Freemont page protection as we want to create a separate page from Dodge Journey and to have some different information, even those vehicles have similarities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rejs12345 (talk • contribs) 21:42, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Rejs12345. You will have to get consensus at the article's talk page first. The protection is there to prevent edit warring, so we need to see that other users are in agreement before removing the protection. I see that another admin warned you at that page: if you expand it again after the protection expires, without first getting agreement from the other users, you could be blocked for edit warring. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:17, 7 February 2019 (UTC)

Mention

Howdy, I've mentioned you over at Tony's talk page which as a courtesy I would like to make sure you understand. In passing you've observed editing in support of an organization, which I've interpreted as a possible concern about COI. I certainly have that concern, and take full responsibility for my own concern, whatever yours may be. Moreover I actually think we have a major DE problem on the horizon and I believe a long-term silverlock would be best for a period of learning, in order to save us time at ANI. Your patience and AGF stance has been exemplary, and I don't want it to be taken advantage of. Cheerio, -Roberthall7 (talk) 06:23, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks, Robert. About long-term protection, Tony's answer is also mine: per protection policy, we don't protect pages pre-emptively, as a way of preventing possible future disruption. Protection is used to stop immediate problems, and only for as long as needed to stop those problems. If disruption resumes after the week expires, we may need more permanent ways to deal with the disruptor.

I do think it's ~~highly likely~~ virtually certain that the editor in question is strongly connected to the organization, either as an employee or as a devotee/volunteer. But I also think we have their attention now, and they seem willing to work things out on the talk page and to take suggestions/direction about how to do it. I will tell them explicitly not to edit the article but only the talk page, and leave it to us to make the consensus edits. If they see we are working with them in good faith, I am hopeful that they will not cause any further problems. Tony has been remarkably patient in following this case through please-block and please-unblock; hopefully he won't have to bother with it any more.

Right now at the talk page we have many subjects covered in a single long edit, followed by someone else's response covering many subjects; that's hard to follow. I think we may already have consensus on some of them. Going forward we might want to identify the subjects of controversy and make a separate subheading for each. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:07, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

P.S. BTW if you and the other person come to agreement on a particular wording, go ahead and put it into the article immediately. Don't wait for me; my computer access is sporadic, and when I am online I may have higher-priority matters to deal with. Anyhow I think you and I think sufficiently alike on this matter that anything you agree to, I would too. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:35, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

MelanieN, thanks and all understood and agreed. I also have higher-priority matters to deal with so I hope to draw down my Talk page discussion at least while we have the silverlock preserving stability. -Roberthall7 (talk) 07:50, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar

You're more than welcome, but I have no fancy pictures to share :( Nicholas Nastrusnic (talk) 21:24, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Hey, Nicholas, here's where you sometimes can find "fancy pictures": https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page . Type in a search and see what you find. Unfortunately I couldn't find any for your articles about the Diki-Diki or the Doctor cocktails, but here's one you can use for your Suffering Bastard article! -- MelanieN (talk) 21:58, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Oh, duh.. I see you already have it there! Well, cheers! -- MelanieN (talk) 22:12, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Yes, a picture of Hot Buttered Rum in a cocoa mug is just not the same Hot Buttered Rum

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Mongolia's Next Top Model

Hi, I'm sorry to bother you personally, I don't know if I'm allowed to do this here, so I'm sorry in advance if I'm not. Unfortunately, Mongolia's Next Top Model (season 2)'s page has been edited again despite being semi-protected, this has been going for quite a few days now, so I would like to ask for advice, what should I do in this case? What should I ask mods to do? It frustrates me, personally, because I feel like most of the content added has a negative conotation towards some contestants and accuses the show and I don't feel like Wikipedia is the right place for that. Thanks in advance for your help. Termo-status (talk) 02:23, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi, Termo, no problem; you can always ask admins about stuff. I saw your request at Requests for Page Protection, and I asked for someone else to make the decision what to do, since I was the one who imposed the semi-protection that is still in effect. You might want to add a P.S. to your request there, pointing out that there has been disruptive editing again. Someone will surely answer your request soon. -- MelanieN (talk) 03:25, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your help, I hope we can get this solved soon =) Termo-status (talk) 04:15, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi! Unfortunately, it seems like edits continue to happen despite your warning =/ Termo-status (talk) 02:08, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. Blocked for a week. Let me know of any future problems. -- MelanieN (talk) 02:58, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Notable?

The article you created, Bill W. Stacy, really? What seems to be missing is a statement such as Stacy is notable for something -- not just being a university president. What, if anything, is he notable for? My news sweeps did not come up with much.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 13:34, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

That's what. Please see WP:NACADEMIC, criterion 6. But if you don't buy that, feel free to test it at AfD. -- MelanieN (talk) 15:55, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm rolling my eyeballs...--Tomwsulcer (talk) 16:36, 12 February 2019 (UTC)

Are You?

Are you the real Donald Trump's wife? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 19:34, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Reality is fake news. O3000 (talk) 19:43, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Please see the disclaimer on my user page. I get asked this every now and then (one person even gave me a COI notice for editing the Donald Trump page), and it's become kind of a running joke for me. -- MelanieN (talk) 19:50, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Well, sorry about that. Everyone gets excited by this for some reason. As the next step, you should for real claim to be the real first lady (just make sure you don't do COI with politics) XD. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 22:40, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

I guess I could do that if I wanted to. "Oh, yes, I am Melania Trump, I just accidentally misspelled my name when I created this username." After all, you can be anyone you want on the internet. 0;-D -- MelanieN (talk) 22:56, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia: check out the Teahouse!

Hello! MelanieN, you are invited to the Teahouse, a forum on Wikipedia for new editors to ask questions about editing Wikipedia, and get support from peers and experienced editors. Please join us! THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 00:57, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation. I know it's a great place and some awesome people help out there. I'm glad to see you are one of them. If the real Melania shows up here, I will definitely recommend it to her! 0;-D -- MelanieN (talk) 01:00, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

Plea for help?

Hi,

This, when decoded, appears to be a plea for help of some sort (and contains BLP violations to boot). Looking at it, I'm not sure if it's a silly joke or if it's serious (I suspect the former but need to be sure). Should this be WP:999'd? Also pinging PlyrStar93 for input as he marked it as vandalism. Adam9007 (talk) 23:08, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

I certainly agree with deleting it. I might have tagged it as nonsense rather than vandalism, but it’s pretty much the same thing. No, I don't think it needs to be taken seriously or reported. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:15, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

It claims a man that was reported to have died is in fact alive and has been kidnapped and trapped in some place. Sounds like a joke to me. (by the way, G1 doesn't apply to userspace:(). Adam9007 (talk) 23:19, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

@Adam9007: There is no help we can or need to provide. If they genuinely need help, they would have posted in places other than this website (possibly not in public either) and/or contacted authorities, and they don't have to encode their message and insert a bunch of gibberish characters with "top secret". It should be deleted as vandalism as the page when displayed is purely disruptive with all the weird characters and is clearly not related to building an encyclopedia. -★- PlyrStar93 _{→Message me. ←} 23:29, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

...and I deleted it. -- MelanieN (talk) 01:04, 18 February 2019 (UTC)

My stupid humor

Please stop your obsessive editing on Wikipedia. If your uselessness continues, you will be blocked from editing. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 23:43, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Mommy.

I'll stop ... one of these days. Sure I will.

-- MelanieN (talk) 00:05, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

A custom award for you!

	ImmortalWizard Exclusive "Brightest Minds" Award
	For your tireless and resilient work in this community. You have shown outstanding skills and dedication. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 23:48, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

... LOL! I take it, from the illustration, that the above commentary is blarney? Thanks for the laughs. And thanks for creating a clever, original barnstar just for me! -- MelanieN (talk) 00:02, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Invitation to User surevey 1

Hello! There is an ongoing survey going on at User:ImmortalWizard/User survey 1. As a fellow Wikipedian ImmortalWizard would like you to answer some questions. It wouldn't take too long, and your participation will be appreciated. Thanks, THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 16:59, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Yep, learned a lesson. Newbies always have a hard time. So I would like the experienced ones not to be assume they don't know everything and teach them politely, instead of threatening with "I'll block you indef". THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 17:33, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

I guess the lesson is, ask an experienced user BEFORE you do something like this. Instead of expecting them to politely teach you not to do something, after you have already done it. I think anyone would have advised you that this "survey" was a bad idea.

I do think your best approach here would be to focus on editing articles. My suggestion, and the way most of us start out here: Just read. Read articles about anything you are interested in: your home town, your country, your hobbies, your school, people from a geographic area or a profession that interests you. When you find something wrong, correct it. When you find something that needs expanding, expand it. Just be sure you use Reliable Sources and not your own opinion or experience. (I'm afraid I did a lot of that when I was new here, but it was a long time ago and they were not so strict about making everything be sourced. So I could learn how things are done here a little bit at a time.) -- MelanieN (talk) 17:52, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

BTW getting into arguments with admins, and trading insults with them, is not a good idea. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:30, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

MelanieN, if you'd prefer, the next time I see disruption from IW, I can ping you instead of blocking, if you're going to take a stab at mentoring. Not, like, continuously, but I'm happy to give you a fighting chance to work with them. Just because I am not at all optimistic about them does not mean you can't be. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:37, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, why don't you do that, at least for a little while, and depending on the nature of the disruption. I don't guarantee results - it's really up to him - but I think it's worth a try to help him find his niche as a productive editor. I've done this a few times in the past (at times as the person's sole friend and defender), and I can point to a couple of productive editors to show for it. If it turns out he can't take advice, well, we'll have tried - but Wikipedia does have its limits. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:52, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Yep, I will proudly take the chance. Really depends next on what I do. I have recently acting both in WP:CRICKET and WP:PW, where the latter is much peaceful with consensus. I am trying to improve some of the biographies I am familiar with, however getting really annoyed when they have little to no proper inline citations (i.e. I don't know where the info is from, especially is an most of the general sources are offline). New editors should be encouraged to get help. Also, did you just assume my gender? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 21:06, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

{{gender|ImmortalWizard}} = they. You specified it in your preferences. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:09, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

And your user page starts off "I am a young man...". Why would you try to play that game with someone who just volunteered to mentor you? Melanie, good luck, you've got your work cut out for you I fear. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:16, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Oops. I forgot. Nothing to hide now. I think I should head towards De la Marck, looking at his comments about autism here. May I have your permission please? THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 21:17, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

I don't understand what you're asking permission for; I pray to God you don't mean starting an WP:RFA. I think you should direct this question to Melanie, I don't have the patience. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:22, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Sheesh! I walk away from the computer for an hour and look what happens! Like Floq, I certainly hope you are not thinking about an RfA. At this point you are so far away from RfA that it would be disruptive for you to start one. In fact if you did, I would tell Floq "go ahead and block him, he is clearly WP:NOTHERE to build an encyclopedia." (And BTW, as Floq explained you have clearly identified yourself as male; so has Floq which is why I call him "he". And I am clearly identified as female. If I don't know a person's gender I call them "they". All clear now? 0;-D) I'm glad to see you working in some projects; that's a good start to doing actual encyclopedia work, instead of just hanging out on talk pages. If you find an article where some of the material is not cited, you might want to do a search of Google or Google Books to see if you can find references and add them. (Do you know how to cite references? Actually full citations with the author and the date and the publisher and all that good stuff? If not I'll teach you.) If it is cited but not visible online, that still counts as citation; we just have to assume good faith that the material is quoted correctly. -- MelanieN (talk) 22:49, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Wait what? I am never said I am going for RFA. I asked for permission of asking De la Marck about autism. I linked to the RFA page because they wrote a comment about it there. Floq seems to have twisted the situation somehow. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 23:03, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Ah, I see. You were following my advice about trying to connect with other users on the spectrum. From looking at their talk page they may not be the best person to talk to; they don't seem to be interacting with others very well. But maybe you and they could establish a rapport and form a little support group; it's not impossible. -- MelanieN (talk) 23:19, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

So, I took a look at your contributions to see what kind of areas you are working in.

Good stuff that I encourage you to continue doing: discussing things at WikiProjects where you have an interest. Making small improvements at articles. (Or bigger improvements, as you see the need.) Discussing at AfD, and nominating articles for speedy deletion or AfD (you may not always get those right, but you will learn from practice what is appropriate and what is not).
Things you should NOT be doing: Don't judge articles for GA; you don’t have nearly enough experience in article writing and editing to do that. Seriously, don't do any more GA reviews. Don't offer advice and answers at the Teahouse; you are in a position right now to be asking the questions, not answering them, and some of your answers like this one don’t even relate to the question they asked. I advise against discussing changes to Wikipedia policy, such as here; just like with AN and ANI, which you have agreed to stay away from, you don’t really know enough about Wikipedia policies to be talking about changing them.

In other words, do most of your work right now at the article and article-talk level; don't try to thrust yourself into areas that call for more experience than you have. You have to walk before you can run. Fair enough? -- MelanieN (talk) 23:57, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Melanie, not sure where to put this, I'm likely not welcome on his talk page. I saw yesterday that he has been working with GA stuff - for a while, I think - but don't have an opinion on the quality of his work there. If he's doing good work, or even just not causing problems with the GA process, I have no concerns at all about this; in that case it would be actual productive work. If he is causing problems, then that should stop too. But I'm not competent to decide whether he's doing a good or bad job. So I'm punting, not ignoring. --Floquenbeam (talk) 18:50, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
@Floquenbeam: Fair enough. I was pretty much the same on that issue, although some people (I have gotten emails) are pretty concerned about it - particularly when he launched an FA reassessment. I see that some people have talked to him about it on his talk page. He is not listening. There are a lot of eyes on him and what he is doing. Everybody just needs to understand that they do not have to defer to you or me if they think action is needed; they should just do what needs doing. -- MelanieN (talk) 17:38, 28 February 2019 (UTC)
...and here is how he feels about the situation. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:33, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

@ImmortalWizard: Who's assuming my gender now? — Preceding unsigned comment added by De la Marck (talk • contribs)

AfD

Hi, regarding the AFD proposal at Christos Tsoutsouvis, the article is protected "This page is currently protected so that only administrators can edit it." So I clicked at "Submit an edit request".Cinadon36 (talk) 18:15, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

So wait until the protection expires. Anyhow, there is much more involved in nominating an article for deletion than simply pasting a notice on the article page. Please read the instructions at WP:AFD. You have to 1) create the AfD discussion page, including your rationale for why the page should be deleted, 2) list that page on the AfD listing page for the current date, and THEN 3) post the notice on the article page. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:19, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Cinadon36, BTW, do you use Twinkle? If you do there is a button on Twinkle, "XfD", that automates this process for you. You have to be looking at the article page to use it. -- MelanieN (talk) 18:25, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Νο, Ι do not, I am not a follower of "Association of Deletionist Wikipedians", that;s why I didnt installed Twinkle. As for the AFD instructions, first step is: "Put the deletion tag on the article. Insert {{subst:afd1}} at the top of the article." So I tried to do, but the article is protected and hence I suggest it in a new page, and my edit was redirected to the article's talk page.ps= I prefer AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTAD Cinadon36 (talk) 18:39, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake. It has been several years since I nominated pages manually, and it looks like they have made it easier. OK, so do it when the protection expires. And, I give up, you will have to explain AWWDMBJAWGCAWAIFDSPBATDMTAD (I have a feeling it is something pretty amusing). -- MelanieN (talk) 19:07, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

It's a worldwide movement.([5])

Cinadon36 (talk) 19:14, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

LOL, thanks! -- MelanieN (talk) 19:18, 26 February 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia user vandalizing law firm articles

Hey,

I'm a little concerned about user Histnewbie continuing to vandalize and watch the articles of many law firms. For the record, I am a college student and have no formal relations to any law firm. The user in question has removed content for a few reasons, including: information being posted from the law firms IP address (not a rule violation, especially since it was properly sourced), citations coming from the law firms website (a lot of the information cited was coming from press releases that contained factual or otherwise informative stuff, and it's not as if the citations made up the entire article).

He has basically made entire articles barebones and is reverting all of their content on a whim -- on his talk page it says he was warned about this previously by you and I don't think it's fair that he's guarding every page vehemently and not allowing anyone to revert his blatant vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikimogul666 (talk • contribs) 00:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Panjab University

Hi,

Few years ago, you merged University Business School – Chandigarh with Panjab University. I saw your name on Talk:Panjab University. On the top of the page of Panjab University, there is a statement that the page may require cleanup and there are too many random lists and unsourced claims. How can I make it better? Is it possible for me to start a fresh or new page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bh Ch (talk • contribs) 05:45, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Bh Ch. Wow, that was four years ago! I think the biggest issue is too many lists. It is very unusual for a university to list all of the majors courses of study under each division of the university! I think I will undertake that bit of cleanup, but please correct me if I do anything wrong. No, I don't think you should start a fresh or new page. This is a longstanding article and its history should be preserved. Clean it up by removing excess detail and adding sources. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

RFC Request

Dear Fellow Wikipedian

I would like to invite you to my RFC request on the page One America News Networks. I am reaching out to you to include your expert opinion and your solution to this problem in the RFC request. Please also invite more editors so that we can have a fair discussion that will improve the page.

Kind Regards

Saad Ahmed2983 (talk) 11:15, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Isn't it WP:CANVASS? I was once accused for doing something similar here. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 15:41, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

COI

Hello there, I made a report here. Can you have a look and tell me what further actions I should be taking? Thanks. THE NEW ImmortalWizard(chat) 12:23, 27 February 2019 (UTC)

Replied there. -- MelanieN (talk) 20:02, 27 February 2019 (UTC)