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Lucy Lawless

It depends on the "gag" doesn't it? The point is that it could be a huge, howling error. I would say there is a lot of more trivial stuff in that article.

And even if something is not notable to you, it may be to say .... New Zealanders or Jewish people? Grant | Talk 11:00, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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Infobox GB station

I was wondering why you added three more years/events pairs to {{Infobox GB station}}... then I found this. Is that level of detail really necessary? I usually confine such entries to opening, renaming and closure dates. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:57, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

I accept that maybe depot/siding things are a bit much, but I think major changes such as doubling/singling, redevelopments and station-destroying fires are worthy of inclusion in the list. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:49, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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Re: Nottingham

We're hosting a series of WP-themed events at universities around the UK; round 1 is Nottingham, Sheffield, Manchester, Leeds. Would you be interested in helping out? Shoot me an email if so and I'll explain the details. Ironholds (talk) 18:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay, we've now got a page up at Wikipedia:Contribution Team/Events. Sign up if you're coming! Or, in your case, hopefully when you are :P. Regards, Ironholds (talk) 17:34, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
Hey there! I know you said you were thinking about booking us a room for the Nottingham event, any news on that or shall I try and book one myself? It's no problem either way just please let me know! PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:56, 16 February 2011 (UTC)
I sent an email on Monday, but no reply yet. Maybe you could try phoning. -mattbuck (Talk) 18:20, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

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British Rail Class 70

What about the Turkish locomotives ? Did you even read the edit summary, or look at the changes to the article. Thanks for nothing. That was a pointless revert. Sf5xeplus (talk) 20:46, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

If you're going to move an article which follows a naming convention, it makes sense to discuss. Besides, this is the way wikipedia works, edit, revert, discuss. Besides, there was a discussion about the name less than a month ago which suggested consensus for the current name. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:22, 3 March 2011 (UTC)
It was a completely non contentious move - to a common name, that made simple sense. The old discussion was about something else. Great. The main aim of this project is not to have pointless 'comittee' type discussions about names, but to make an encyclopedia .. your edit makes it difficult for me to get the article to actually make sense - eg what about the turkish locomotives Please fix this problem for me and not make my life more difficult.
Here's a suggestion for you - try fixing the article now, so that it makes sense with the Turkish locomotives under the title "British Rail Class 70" - you do it.Sf5xeplus (talk) 00:25, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

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Question about a Revert

I know you have been here a lot longer than me, but may I ask why you reverted what may have been a good faith (albeit unreferenced) contribution with no explanation and flagged it as a minor edit? It's against WP:MINOR which states "any change that affects the meaning of an article is not minor, even if the edit concerns a single word". I know there's an exception for blatant vandalism, but personally I'm not convinced this was. Cheers, DubiousIrony yell 00:49, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

It seemed like vandalism to me, the "ho ho ho, I'm slandering my friends by editing wikipedia!" kind, albeit more subtle. Couple with the weasely "charming town", bad spelling and lack of citation it seemed best it not be in the article. -mattbuck (Talk) 01:17, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. I've re-read the comment and can see how you'd consider it vandalism in need of a revert. I was just curious :) Cheers, DubiousIrony yell 02:35, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

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Stop and examine

Hi Matt. I did some combining in the Stop and examine article with the fortnightly Rail and monthly Railways Illustrated magazines. Admittedly a little wobbly in execution. Bests. --- (Bob) Wikiklrsc (talk) 02:18, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

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SWT service at Newton Abbot

Hi, I see that you've re-added info that has previously been removed. I won't revert you: but I can see the objection, because there must be dozens of routes that TOCs (present and past) have operated, but no longer do. Very few railway stations carry such information where post-privatisation TOCs are concerned. BTW the {{disused rail insert}} is inappropriate because there is still a service by another operator over the same lines - the correct template would be {{Historical Rail Insert}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:40, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, feel free to revert. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

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Hatachi SET images

Hi Mattbuck, I saw we were in disagreement over the images on Intercity Express Programme, so I raised the matter here. My rationale is these are non-free images provided by the preferred bidder for a train that hasn't been ordered yet. The image was released two years ago, and specfifcation of the train as changed since then. I can't see how this image "its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." and thus fails WP:NFCC#8. Please comment there. Edgepedia (talk) 06:29, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

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Categorisation of EMU operating in Scotland (in commons)

I note you have removed the "operated by ScotRail" category from the Class 334 et al images.

Although First ScotRail is the current operator, the 334 were operated by (NX) ScotRail and the 318, 314 were also operated by BR Scottish Region. --Stewart (talk | edits) 14:47, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I don't deny that, but the category is for who was operating it at the time of photographing, which is FSR: not ScotRail, and certainly not a company which ceased to exist 15 years ago. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:55, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Also, there's no need to have categories for individual units unless they are particularly notable, which I don't think any are. -mattbuck (Talk) 14:55, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
314212 is notable by being the first in the new ScotRail livery. --Stewart (talk | edits) 15:37, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
That's not really notability by WP:N. Personally I can't think of any way a single unit could be notable without being in a crash or something, in which case the crash would be the topic anyway. -mattbuck (Talk) 15:43, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
WP:N applies to English Wikipedia, not Wikimedia Commons. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
I am aware of that, I'm just giving an example. -mattbuck (Talk) 17:53, 28 May 2011 (UTC)
Many thanks for reverting what was a logical system for locating images of individual units into an unsorted bucket of images with inconsistent names and make it far harder to locate an individual unit now or in the future. As said above WP:N does not apply Wikimedia Commons. --Stewart (talk | edits) 08:27, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
You can always use the search button. Further, categories are usually sorted by unit number.
However, upon consideration, I can see that there might be a use for such categories, but they would certainly need renaming, given that "British Rail Class 340123" would be a six digit class number rather than class plus unit code. I can easily restore the categories if necessary. Maybe "British EMU 340123" or something, or I guess just the unit number so 340123, though that might run into problems if there are for some reason already high number categories. -mattbuck (Talk) 10:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

I think the best way around this is to create gallery pages for each individual unit if you want to find them that way, combined with categories if there are lots (say >=10) photos of a particular unit. Thryduulf (talk) 11:53, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

While notability is not neccessary for creating a Commons category, it is certainly the a good reason for doing so. But that would mean a unique livery, not just the first one. A unique livery should be categorised in '000 Class in XYZ livery', whereas pictures of the same unit in previous liveries would not be wanted in the 'Unit 000XXX' category.
I wouldn't want categories for individual units unless there were a lot of pictures, say 100 or more, unless there was some other notability (such as exceptionally long service, preservation, or a unique experiment that made it visually different). Geof Sheppard (talk) 16:17, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
I don't think we're arguing about categories for "unit X in a livery Y", just a generic "unit X" to contain all pictures of that unit. We have several of those for heritage locos. -mattbuck (Talk) 16:35, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
Stewart suggested that 314212 is notable by being the first in the new ScotRail livery, but I was showing that notability in this way isn't necessarily a reason for creating a new category. I'm comfortable with preserved locomotives having their own categories because of the volume of pictures that are being uploaded of some of them (and they are often notable in their own right), but I'm reluctant to see this for currently operating stock unless it is visually distinct from others in the same class or there is a reason for grouping together pictures that show how a particular loco or unit has changed over a long career. Geof Sheppard (talk) 12:56, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

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Rail magazine volume

Hi Matt, re this edit - is it really Volume 671? The Railway Magazine, which has been going for 114 years, is now up to vol. 157, but Rail has been going circa 30 years, so I wouldn't expect a volume number higher than 31 (or 61 if the volume number changes twice a year, as it used to do with The Railway Magazine). Surely |issue=671 would be nearer the mark. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:25, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, issue might be better, yes. -mattbuck (Talk) 17:36, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

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re: janitor

Okay yeah, I see that the other pages have been merged. It's that Janitor (Scrubs)‎ happened to be on my watchlist. As for the actual merge, I see no point as wikipedia is not printed out on paper. Reub2000 (talk) 15:12, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

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I'm sure your gallery removal project is very worthy and all that, but simply removing a gallery with all its contents may do more harm than good. Whilst it satisfies an objective, simply deleting all gallery content along with the gallery seems arbitrary and not conducive to good relationshps between editors. Is there such a hurry? Why not tag articles you want to amend with a two week warning or the like? Here's hoping you're not one of those snarling Wikipedians. hjuk (talk) 22:01, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

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Cross Country route

That is a pretty stupendous (and road free!!) RDT. What is the light rail south of Tamworth? It's not labelled. NtheP (talk) 21:02, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I honestly don't know. It's visible on the old OS map, but it isn't labelled there. It seemed to be a connection to the WCML, but took a rather roundabout route so I figured it was a colliery line or something. It's by the word Kettlebrook [1]. -mattbuck (Talk) 22:56, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
I think it's a private line serving a colliery. The 6th Edition OS maps (of which that is an example) use that indication for "sidings & tramways", and I have noticed that this seems to be extended to cover all railways which were not part of the national passenger network - such as freight-only branches. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:12, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

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British Rail Class 395

Please don't edit war, I've left a message on the talk page. Please discuss there. Information needs to be verifable by reliable sources. That's essentially a rule. I'm happy to accept different options, but it must pass Wikipedia:Verifiability - is there some problem with Hitachi Class 395?Mddkpp (talk) 02:29, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, but I have reported you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring - I have given various links showing that the names I used are valid, you haven't done that for "British Rail Class 395" and as far as I can tell there is not a consensus at WP:UKRAIL. You also seem to be ignoring WP:VERIFY.Mddkpp (talk) 02:46, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Nevanlinna theory

Hi,

now the notation in the article is no longer consistent. Would it be OK to revert your edit for now, and then perhaps restore the Nevanlinna definition after Pym1507's version stabilises?

Thanks a lot, Sasha (talk) 23:42, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

How is it inconsistent? I thought I made sure that any definitions were kept. -mattbuck (Talk) 23:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I was too radical. I do see a few small inconsistencies, but indeed they are in terms and not in notation, so it is not as bad as I thought, and I guess these are easy to fix:
  • Main theorem vs. Fundamental theorem
  • Nevanlinna's original definition vs. definition from Jensen's formula
I think I saw a couple of other places where it looked like two articles glued artificially together, but I can not find them now. I am not an expert in this field (I was only copy-editing and formatting), so if you have another look and everything looks fine, I will do another round of formatting.
Best regards, Sasha (talk) 00:05, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
I'm doing Nevanlinna Theory for my PhD, and was a bit mystified by the A-S definition that had crept in sometime since I created the article about 4 years ago. I'm just doing a bit more editing of the content, so give it an hour and have at it with your formatting and copyediting. -mattbuck (Talk) 00:10, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Hi,
now I am confused. The sentence "where S(r,f) is an "error term" of the order (...) for r outside some set of finite measure, which is small compared to T(r,f)." is ambiguous, I believe you mean that the error term is small (rather than the measure is small). If this is what you mean, it is only true when f is not rational (and this is what is written in the next sentence).
thanks,Sasha (talk) 02:18, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
My apologies, the error term S(r,f) is O(log rT(r,f)), possibly outside some set of finite measure. -mattbuck (Talk) 02:23, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

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I reverted that one because he fucked up the diagram, but have closed now. -mattbuck (Talk) 19:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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Plots

WP:TVPLOT says we can use the episode as a primary source for plot. This is how all articles about TV shows, films, books, etc work. I grant you the plots could do with trimming, but your complete removal of them is nothing more than vandalism. -mattbuck (Talk) 05:11, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

No, it's not vandalism, since normally unsourced material is subject to removal. I was unaware of the WP:TVPLOT loophole.--Asher196 (talk) 17:06, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

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Only by reusing {{rws}} at the moment, whih will still work with the stn parameter. I haven't worked out how to make the two templates (i.e. {{UKsta-u}} and {{UKsta-u A}}) into one and more technical. Simply south...... going on editing sprees for just 6 years (as of 28/03/2006) 15:43, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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Nailsea and Backwell

"None were" is actually gramatically wrong. It is OK in colloquial speech but in an encyclopaedia we are supposed to be using correct English, which is "None was".

Also, I don't see how a "service" can catch fire. A service is an intangible abstraction. The service is not the train, it is what the train performs. It is only a physical entity, in this case a train, that can catch fire. -- Alarics (talk) 13:26, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

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Ah yes, that works too, thanks for your message. I had actually played with a number of different solutions in preview mode, but with the reference being shared, it seemed at best that I could only swap out one error message for another. I have no idea why the use of onlyinclude hadn't occurred to me this session. Regardless, I'm just happy to see that it has been tweaked to a perfection level that satisfies us both. Have yourself a great day Mattbuck, stay well, and happy editing! :)  -- WikHead (talk) 23:58, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

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GAN review of Bedminster railway station

I have started the review, and thought I would drop you a note, as it is a while since it was nominated. Bob1960evens (talk) 16:50, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Well done - it has passed. Do you want me to move on to Parson Street, or would you rather someone else did that one? Bob1960evens (talk) 18:56, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Sweet, my first good article :) I think your review raised a few issues I need to address with the other nominations - I'll work on Parson Street over the next day or so to fix it up. -mattbuck (Talk) 19:11, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
Ok. If you want me to review it when its done, drop me a line. Bob1960evens (talk) 20:53, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Well done - Parson Street railway station has also passed. Bob1960evens (talk) 15:01, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of UT:JIMBO

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If you can fix the redirect to point to a mainspace page, please do so and remove the speedy deletion tag. However, please do not remove the speedy deletion tag unless you are fixing the redirect. If you think the redirect should be retained as is for some reason, contest the deletion by clicking on the button that looks like this: which appears inside of the speedy deletion ({{db-...}}) tag (if no such tag exists, the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate). Doing so will take you to the talk page where you will find a pre-formatted place for you to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the article's talk page directly to give your reasons. Feel free to leave a note on my talk page if you have any questions about this. DASHBot (talk) 18:16, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

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