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Redirects for discussion (RfD) is the place where potentially problematic redirects are discussed. Items usually stay listed for a week or so, after which they are deleted, kept, or retargeted.

  • If you want to replace an unprotected redirect with an article, do not list it here. Turning redirects into articles is wholly encouraged. Be bold!
  • If you want to move a page but a redirect is in the way, do not list it here. For non-controversial cases, place a technical request; if a discussion is required, then start a requested move.
  • If you think a redirect points to the wrong target article, this is a good place to discuss the proper target.
  • Redirects should not be deleted just because they have no incoming links. Please do not use this as the only reason to delete a redirect. However, redirects that do have incoming links are sometimes deleted, so that is not a sufficient condition for keeping. (See § When should we delete a redirect? for more information.)

Please do not unilaterally rename or change the target of a redirect while it is under discussion. This adds unnecessary complication to the discussion for participants and closers.

Before listing a redirect for discussion

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Please be aware of these general policies, which apply here as elsewhere:

The guiding principles of RfD

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  • The purpose of a good redirect is to eliminate the possibility that readers will find themselves staring blankly at "Search results 1–10 out of 378" instead of the article they were looking for. If someone could plausibly enter the redirect's name when searching for the target article, it's a good redirect.
  • Redirects are cheap. They take up little storage space and use very little bandwidth. It doesn't really hurt things if there are a few of them scattered around. On the flip side, deleting redirects is also cheap because recording the deletion takes up little storage space and uses very little bandwidth. There is no harm in deleting problematic redirects.
  • If a good-faith RfD nomination proposes to delete a redirect and has no discussion after at least 7 days, the default result is delete.
  • Redirects nominated in contravention of Wikipedia:Redirect will be speedily kept.
  • RfD can also serve as a central discussion forum for debates about which page a redirect should target. In cases where retargeting the redirect could be considered controversial, it is advisable to leave a notice on the talk page of the redirect's current target page or the proposed target page to refer readers to the redirect's nomination to allow input and help form consensus for the redirect's target.
  • Requests for deletion of redirects from one page's talk page to another's do not need to be listed here. Anyone can remove the redirect by blanking the page. The G6 criterion for speedy deletion may be appropriate.
  • In discussions, always ask yourself whether or not a redirect would be helpful to the reader.

When should we delete a redirect?

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Further information: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Common outcomes and Wikipedia:Moving a page § Moving over a redirect

The major reasons why deletion of redirects is harmful are:

  • a redirect may contain non-trivial edit history;
  • if a redirect is reasonably old (or is the result of moving a page that has been there for quite some time), then it is possible that its deletion will break incoming links (such links coming from older revisions of Wikipedia pages, from edit summaries, from other Wikimedia projects or from elsewhere on the internet, do not show up in "What links here").

Therefore consider the deletion only of either harmful redirects or of recent ones.

Reasons for deleting

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See also: Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion § Redirects

You might want to delete a redirect if one or more of the following conditions is met (but note also the exceptions listed below this list):

  1. The redirect page makes it unreasonably difficult for users to locate similarly named articles via the search engine. For example, if the user searches for "New Articles", and is redirected to a disambiguation page for "Articles", it would take much longer to get to the newly added articles on Wikipedia.
  2. The redirect might cause confusion. For example, if "Adam B. Smith" was redirected to "Andrew B. Smith", because Andrew was accidentally called Adam in one source, this could cause confusion with the article on Adam Smith, so the redirect should be deleted.
  3. The redirect is offensive or abusive, such as redirecting "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" to "Joe Bloggs" (unless "Joe Bloggs is a Loser" is legitimately discussed in the article), or "Joe Bloggs" to "Loser". (Speedy deletion criterion G10 and G3 may apply.) See also § Neutrality of redirects.
  4. The redirect constitutes self-promotion or spam. (Speedy deletion criterion G11 may apply.)
  5. The redirect makes no sense, such as redirecting "Apple" to "Orange". (Speedy deletion criterion G1 may apply.)
  6. It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space, such as one pointing into the User or Wikipedia namespace. The major exception to this rule are the pseudo-namespace shortcut redirects, which technically are in the main article space. Some long-standing cross-namespace redirects are also kept because of their long-standing history and potential usefulness. "MOS:" redirects, for example, were an exception to this rule until they became their own namespace in 2024. (Note also the existence of namespace aliases such as WP:. Speedy deletion criterion R2 may apply if the target namespace is something other than Category:, Template:, Wikipedia:, Help:, or Portal:.)
  7. If the redirect is broken, meaning it redirects to an article that does not exist, it can be immediately deleted under speedy deletion criterion G8. You should check that there is not an alternative place it could be appropriately redirected to first and that it has not become broken through vandalism.
  8. If the redirect is a novel or very obscure synonym for an article name that is not mentioned in the target, it is unlikely to be useful. In particular, redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (or a culture that speaks that language) should generally not be created. (Implausible typos or misnomers are candidates for speedy deletion criterion R3, if recently created.)
  9. If the target article needs to be moved to the redirect title, but the redirect has been edited before and has a history of its own, then the title needs to be freed up to make way for the move. If the move is uncontroversial, tag the redirect for G6 speedy deletion, or alternatively (with the suppressredirect user right; available to page movers and admins), perform a round-robin move. If not, take the article to Requested moves.
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    If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article, and the target article contains virtually no information on the subject.

Reasons for not deleting

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However, avoid deleting such redirects if:

  1. They have a potentially useful page history, or an edit history that should be kept to comply with the licensing requirements for a merge (see Wikipedia:Merge and delete). On the other hand, if the redirect was created by renaming a page with that name, and the page history just mentions the renaming, and for one of the reasons above you want to delete the page, copy the page history to the Talk page of the article it redirects to. The act of renaming is useful page history, and even more so if there has been discussion on the page name.
  2. They would aid accidental linking and make the creation of duplicate articles less likely, whether by redirecting a plural to a singular, by redirecting a frequent misspelling to a correct spelling, by redirecting a misnomer to a correct term, by redirecting to a synonym, etc. In other words, redirects with no incoming links are not candidates for deletion on those grounds because they are of benefit to the browsing user. Some extra vigilance by editors will be required to minimize the occurrence of those frequent misspellings in article text because the linkified misspellings will not appear as broken links; consider tagging the redirect with the {{R from misspelling}} template to assist editors in monitoring these misspellings.
  3. They aid searches on certain terms. For example, users who might see the "Keystone State" mentioned somewhere but do not know what that refers to will be able to find out at the Pennsylvania (target) article.
  4. Deleting redirects runs the risk of breaking incoming or internal links. For example, redirects resulting from page moves should not normally be deleted without good reason. Links that have existed for a significant length of time, including CamelCase links (e.g. WolVes) and old subpage links, should be left alone in case there are any existing links on external pages pointing to them. See also Wikipedia:Link rot § Link rot on non-Wikimedia sites.
  5. Someone finds them useful. Hint: If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful—this is not because the other person is being untruthful, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways. Evidence of usage can be gauged by using the wikishark or pageviews tool on the redirect to see the number of views it gets.
  6. The redirect is to a closely related word form, such as a plural form to a singular form.

Neutrality of redirects

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Just as article titles using non-neutral language are permitted in some circumstances, so are such redirects. Because redirects are less visible to readers, more latitude is allowed in their names, therefore perceived lack of neutrality in redirect names is not a sufficient reason for their deletion. In most cases, non-neutral but verifiable redirects should point to neutrally titled articles about the subject of the term. Non-neutral redirects may be tagged with {{R from non-neutral name}}.

Non-neutral redirects are commonly created for three reasons:

  1. Articles that are created using non-neutral titles are routinely moved to a new neutral title, which leaves behind the old non-neutral title as a working redirect (e.g. Climategate → Climatic Research Unit email controversy).
  2. Articles created as POV forks may be deleted and replaced by a redirect pointing towards the article from which the fork originated (e.g. Barack Obama Muslim rumor → deleted and now redirected to Barack Obama religion conspiracy theories).
  3. The subject matter of articles may be represented by some sources outside Wikipedia in non-neutral terms. Such terms are generally avoided in Wikipedia article titles, per the words to avoid guidelines and the general neutral point of view policy. For instance the non-neutral expression "Attorneygate" is used to redirect to the neutrally titled Dismissal of U.S. attorneys controversy. The article in question has never used that title, but the redirect was created to provide an alternative means of reaching it because a number of press reports use the term.

The exceptions to this rule would be redirects that are not established terms and are unlikely to be useful, and therefore may be nominated for deletion, perhaps under deletion reason #3. However, if a redirect represents an established term that is used in multiple mainstream reliable sources, it should be kept even if non-neutral, as it will facilitate searches on such terms. Please keep in mind that RfD is not the place to resolve most editorial disputes.

Closing notes

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Details at Administrator instructions for RfD

Nominations should remain open, per policy, about a week before they are closed, unless they meet the general criteria for speedy deletion, the criteria for speedy deletion of a redirect, or are not valid redirect discussion requests (e.g. are actually move requests).

How to list a redirect for discussion

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STEP I.
Tag the redirect(s).

  Enter {{subst:rfd|content= at the very beginning of the redirect page you are listing for discussion and enter }} at the very end of the page.

  • Please do not mark the edit as minor (m).
  • Please include in the edit summary the phrase:
    Nominated for RfD: see [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]].
  • Save the page ("Publish changes").
  • If you are unable to edit the redirect page because of protection, this step can be omitted, and after step 2 is completed, a request to add the RFD template can be put on the redirect's talk page.
  • If the redirect you are nominating is in template namespace, consider adding |showontransclusion=1 to the RfD tag so that people using the template redirect are aware of the nomination.
  • If you are nominating multiple redirects as a group, repeat all the above steps for each redirect being nominated.
STEP II.
List the entry on RfD.

 Click here to edit the section of RfD for today's entries.

  • Enter this text below the date heading:
{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName|target=TargetArticle|text=The action you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for that action.}} ~~~~
  • For this template:
    • Put the redirect's name in place of RedirectName, put the target article's name in place of TargetArticle, and include a reason after text=.
    • Note that, for this step, the "target article" is the current target of the redirect (if you have a suggestion for a better target, include this in the text that you insert after text=).
  • Please use an edit summary such as:
    Nominating [[RedirectName]]
    (replacing RedirectName with the name of the redirect you are nominating).
  • To list multiple related redirects for discussion, use the following syntax. Repeat line 2 for N number of redirects:
{{subst:Rfd2|redirect=RedirectName1|target=TargetArticle1}}
{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectName2|target=TargetArticle2}}
{{subst:Rfd2|multi=yes|redirect=RedirectNameN|target=TargetArticleN|text=The actions you would like to occur (deletion, re-targeting, etc.) and the rationale for those actions.}} ~~~~
  • If the redirect has had previous RfDs, you can add {{Oldrfdlist|previous RfD without brackets|result of previous RfD}} directly after the rfd2 template.
  • If appropriate, inform members of the most relevant WikiProjects through one or more "deletion sorting lists". Then add a {{subst:delsort|<topic>|<signature>}} template to the nomination, to insert a note that this has been done.
STEP III.
Notify users.

  It is generally considered good practice to notify the creator and main contributors of the redirect(s) that you nominate.

To find the main contributors, look in the page history of the respective redirect(s). For convenience, the template

{{subst:Rfd notice|RedirectName}} ~~~~

may be placed on the creator/main contributors' user talk page to provide notice of the discussion. Please replace RedirectName with the name of the respective creator/main contributors' redirect and use an edit summary such as:
Notice of redirect discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion]]

Notices about the RfD discussion may also be left on relevant talk pages.

  • Please consider using What links here to locate other redirects that may be related to the one you are nominating. After going to the redirect target page and selecting "What links here" in the toolbox on the left side of your computer screen, select both "Hide transclusions" and "Hide links" filters to display the redirects to the redirect target page.

Current list

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December 25

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Middle Eastern terrorism

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Not all Middle Eastern terrorism is Islamic terrorism. C F A 18:27, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Siby Mathai

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Non-notable high-school teacher. No reason this should be a redirect. C F A 18:19, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Term End Exam

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Not mentioned at target; does not seem specific to West Point. Was a 2-line unsourced stub from 2009 that was immediately redirected, would be highly unlikely to survive Afd. Possible retarget possibilities include exam#final exam, but the lowercase term end exam or even term exam don't exist, so deletion is probably best. Mdewman6 (talk) 17:48, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zhwe with breve

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No mention in article from what I can see (please ping on reply). ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:44, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Bunnypranav: I think it is the second letter in the second (third, if you could the row with letter names) row in the first image, though I am not sure. Janhrach (talk) 17:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Did

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It's not clear whether or not any primary subject has been specified. KOLANO12 3 14:18, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kitty cat

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Possible WP:XY scenario here as Kitten could also be a plausible target. (In fact, Kitten actually was the target for 4 years between 2013-2017) User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 08:30, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep. The word "Kitty" appears seven times on Cats and the Internet - six of those references are to adult cats, only one to a kitten. And let us not forget "Kitty Cat Dance", more famous than any of them but deemed non-notable in 2007 (AfD discussion), which was about an adult cat. Tevildo (talk) 12:04, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as a standard term for a cat, regardless of age. I was a little surprised to see that we even have a separate article for kittens, but oh well. I'm also a little surprised to see that this isn't the title of anything that might need to be disambiguated, etc., so it looks like this is the way to go. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 17:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

GX9

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There's a camera model called the Panasonic Lumix DMC-GX9 which is commonly called the GX9 for short, and if I google "GX9", the majority of the search results on the front page are for the camera model and not the music group (which has been disbanded since several years ago). Now I'm just not sure whether to turn GX9 (all upper-caps) into a disambiguation page or to retarget it to the camera model. — AP 499D25 (talk) 07:47, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Six-a-side cricket

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Hong Kong Cricket Sixes isn't the only tournament in this format, for example SEA Games also had the six-a-side format. Must be retargeted to a neutral target such as Short form cricket. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 05:45, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 South Korean Christmas coup attempt

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Not referred to in this way either in target or in the news, did not happen on Christmas. Rusalkii (talk) 04:31, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Clear delete seefooddiet (talk) 05:09, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mayflower wedge

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Phrase not mentioned in target. Quick google suggests that this is most commonly a type of shoe; I was only able to find one source referring to the tornado this way. Rusalkii (talk) 04:28, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (as redirect creator) - National Weather Service calls it a "wedge tornado". I've added it to the article. EF5 14:36, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Seems relatively implausible. If you know the tornado's shape, then you know that it's a tornado. I haven't heard any tornado referred to by itself as a "wedge" instead of just a tornado usually (except for chasers or people who've already established the tornado in context), even in other cases where the shape is a wedge. Departure– (talk) 16:27, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I can't find evidence of this being commonly used to refer to this tornado. Hog Farm Talk 18:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Olive Delights

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Meme referencing the sound of "All of the Lights", not mentioned in target and a quick google suggests it's sometimes used to refer to a food. Rusalkii (talk) 04:10, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Meat and potatoes

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This is currently a soft redirect to Wiktionary, which discusses this solely as an idiom. However, this is also a culinary term referring to a class of dishes (see Category:Meat and potatoes dishes, so I don't think the Wiktionary entry covers all of what would be needed here. Hog Farm Talk 03:41, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Goth (Silverwing)

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This no longer has a mention and the redirect is confusing. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 20:45, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 01:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 24

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CNN This Morning

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Someone created this redirect to CNN This Morning with Kasie Hunt and moved the article that was originally at this title to CNN This Morning (2022) without any discussion. All the articles that linked to that original CNN This Morning article are now redirecting to the wrong page. Any ideas? Limmidy (talk) 22:29, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

IMK-Peshmerga

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Not mentioned in target; as far as I can tell this phrase is used in exactly one place anywhere online. Rusalkii (talk) 21:51, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Târnavele Blaj

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Not mentioned in target. Quick google suggests this is a location(?) in Blaj, doesn't point to the team. Rusalkii (talk) 21:28, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Interhistorical

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Not mentioned in target. I can't detangle these philosophical terms very well but suspect they're different enough this isn't a great redirect. Rusalkii (talk) 21:22, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tang kins

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Can't find any sources confirming this is an alternative name for the subject; not mentioned in target. Rusalkii (talk) 21:11, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Zone Corporation

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Appears to be King's company. Not mentioned in target, should be deleted unless a mention is added and I don't see a natural place for it. Rusalkii (talk) 21:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

South Asian Handball Federation

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Neither this organization nor handball in South Asia in general mentioned in target. Rusalkii (talk) 21:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Save The Montagnard People

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Appears to refer to this organization, not mentioned in target. Rusalkii (talk) 21:05, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trump's back

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Random descriptive phrase. I approved a number of Trump sequel and similar redirects from the previous user on the grounds that I've seen that phrasing actually used in the media, but this one is less of a title. Rusalkii (talk) 20:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

James Abram

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Delete per WP:PTM, no evidence that the subject is known by his first + middle name. There's also potential confusion with James Abrams. -- Tavix (talk) 20:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fluoroacetonitrile

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Delete. Compounds are related but distinct; fluoroacetonitrile might well deserve a page of its own and appears nowhere on current chloroacetonitrile page. Bernanke's Crossbow (talk) 18:31, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2024 NYC subway murder by burning

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Not currently a murder, as no trial has been carried out. Serious BLP/CRIME vio. EF5 18:07, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

A killing was committed. As of now, this isn't murder. Either way, you're right about BLPCRIME, so withdrawn. EF5 21:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Willfully setting someone on fire causing their death is murder. By your logic, Nicole Simpson wasn't murdered because no one was found guilty of the crime? -- Tavix (talk) 21:52, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Murder, to me, is a legal term. I've withdrawn, so it's not like it matters anyways. EF5 21:57, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It sounds like List of unsolved murders needs a new title then!! -- Tavix (talk) 22:02, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Should’ve brought that up at the start of the discussion, then. Seems I am mistaken. :) EF5 22:15, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Tavix: Could this be speedied as created by someone in violation of their ban? Genuine question, see below. EF5 17:23, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, because WP:G5 requires there be no substantial edits by others. This edit in particular would be disqualifying. -- Tavix (talk) 18:16, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm the one who created 2024 NYC subway murder by burning. I did not know there was already another article. I support this redirect. So I just redirected 2024 NYC subway murder by burning to 2024 New York City Subway immolation. The Last Hungry Cat (talk) 21:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2026 Pro Bowl Games

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Not mentioned at target, making this a misleading redirect. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:24, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Women's Championship redirects

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Ambiguous titles which could be referring to a number of possible championships. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

More "solider" redirects

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These redirects all have the same misspelling of "soldier," which was discussed in a previous RfD from last week. As its rationale says, "solider" is also the comparative form of "solid" and can also be a misspelling of at least several other words. Delete these unless someone can provide a justification or suitable alternative course of action. Regards, SONIC678 05:27, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete all that don't have "solider" as the first or second word, as it's too much stuff to type before making a minro spleling mistkae
  • delete super solider, foot solider (rich homie quan song), solider with the green whiskers, and confederate solider as skill issues
  • retarget the tin solider to... the tin soldier
  • and i guess extremely weak keep the rest (which is... only stereo solider and child solider)
what a doozy... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The entry for Robert E. Lee and Young Solider was listed incorrectly as both the redirect and the target. I have corrected it and notified at its target and creator pages.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 09:38, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete all. These are typos, not spelling errors, and there are (conservatively) billions of such possible letter transposition typos, with no particular affinity to the specific typos or topics here, as opposed to any other letter transposition (or adjacent key) typo that could be produced from any of these. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:44, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Shrub

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Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 22:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 09:09, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Old Roman Empire

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I have no idea what this is supposed to contrast to. Veverve (talk) 19:25, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You could figure out quite easily by clicking on New Roman Empire, Veverve. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 19:52, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"New Roman Empire" is not mentioned anywhere at the target... Also, as a sidenote, aren't the Byzantine empire and the Holy Roman Empire the two well-known claimants to this title of New Roman Empire, instead of modern Italy? And what about the Third Rome claims? Veverve (talk) 19:56, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I presume they are saying that the Old Roman Empire is often searched for since there is already a redirect for the New Roman Empire.
This0k (talk) 20:26, 13 December 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:43, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate the Roman colonial empire of the Roman Republic; the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire; the post-Republic East+West Roman Empire. Contrasts with the New Roman Empire. This is a succession of the evolution of the Roman Empire, from colonial empire adjunct to a republic, to the conversion of the republic into rule by Caesars, to the collapse of the west and the eastern rump Roman Empire being called the Byzantine Empire by Western European scholarship (though politically, it is the same entity as that before the collapse of the western portion) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leave as is. It seems obvious to me that this phrase is used to contrast the original Roman Empire with the Byzantine Empire or other states claiming to be successors to the Roman Empire. It is not an especially common phrase, and does not seem to have a more specific meaning in academic use, such as the empire of the Roman Republic, the Principate, or the Dominate. Thus "Roman Empire" is the best target. P Aculeius (talk) 16:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The referred RfD for New Roman Empire closed as disambiguate couple of days back.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 07:46, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ethan Herisse

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WP:RETURNTORED to encourage creation. Has other credits in high-profile works such as all episodes of When They See Us. Nickel Boys may be his most prominent role to date, but that is unlikely to remain the case precisely because of the rise of his profile due to this role. Redirecting it to only one work he's appeared in is hostile to readers. Nardog (talk) 06:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 23

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Country metal

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Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

This was at RfD before. The closer decided to retarget to a Category because "a mention has not been added". Well, over a year later, a mention still hasn't been added. This should now be deleted, pending some mainspace content which is what a searcher will be looking for, and not be a cross-namespace redirect that inhibits Search. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:49, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Only one of the two sources mention the term "country metal", and the one that does does so only in the WP:HEADLINE and in quotation marks. This genre doesnt exist --FMSky (talk) 05:40, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There was consensus at the prior RfD to add a mention. A mention was added, which you then removed. In the absence of a new consensus to not have a mention, I added it back. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 14:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ABA championship-winning player

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These recent creations are cross-namespace redirects that I don't believe are appropriate. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:27, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete all per WP:R#DELETE #6: It is a cross-namespace redirect out of article space ...—Bagumba (talk) 08:34, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Bagumba: I do a lot of patrolling of redirects (#2 all time now in redirect patrols), and I'd love to hear more about what you think are appropriate redirects to category space (if any). I typically end up leaving them as unpatrolled because I just feel weird about them typically. Whether here or on my talk page, either is fine :) Hey man im josh (talk) 18:43, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pokémon 0

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possible confusion with victini, which was #0 in the gen 5 games? consarn (formerly cogsan) 19:12, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep I know nowhere near enough about Pokémon to make a justified statement, but according to Bulbapedia, Victini is #0494 so this seems like a pretty cut and dry redirect. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 00:47, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
that's in the national pokédex. the unova pokédex had a whole plot point about victini specifically being #0 and how that was symbolic of... something. unown syndrome strikes again, as we still have no idea what it is consarn (formerly cogsan) 11:01, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The best hypothesis I know about this is that Victini is first so that it would reduce how many blank Pokedex entries you would get upon receiving it. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Normally we wouldn't use Bulbapedia, but see the Unova Pokédex where it is listed as #000 in the 2010 games, Black and White. For an attempt at a reliable source, see GamesRadar+. --Super Goku V (talk) 11:13, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sha with dot below

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I could not verify if this letter exists. No mention in the target. Janhrach (talk) 17:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oe with acute

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The only mention on the web I could find is in the Wikipedia article List of Cyrillic letters, but the mentioned language is Bashkir, not Selkup. Janhrach (talk) 17:32, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not clear why this should redirect to a language especially if the language is not the only one that uses it. I'm not sure Selkup uses it except for possibly (?) demarcating stress in dictionary forms (à la Russian), but even then it certainly shouldn't redirect to this particular language's page. ThaesOfereode (talk) 19:30, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shha with diaeresis

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Zero relevant hits on Google. Hoax? Janhrach (talk) 17:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment According to the page creator, it was used in the "old Bashkir language". However, no source was provided for that claim. Not a Unicode character, but may be constructed using U+04BA Һ CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHHA and U+0308 ̈ COMBINING DIAERESIS. 1857a (talk) 06:55, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The page creator has been warned and then blocked from creating articles. They have created many unsourced articles about Cyrillic letters combined with diacritics (see AN/I case). 1857a (talk) 07:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Likely hoax, and this letter has never been used in Bashkir. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 15:58, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TicketSmarter

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Subsidiary not mentioned at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2031 Cricket World Cup qualification

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Redirect to a redirect, hence, the section for qualification doesn't exist there. There's also not relevant qualification info at the target if the redirect is bypassed (Cricket World Cup), making this a misleading redirect. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:37, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2031 ICC Women's Champions Trophy

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Not mentioned at target, making this a misleading redirect for anybody who searches it. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Snou Strait

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This was created as the result of this deletion discussion but the problem remains that I found no evidence that anyone uses this transliteration of the supposed Russian, if only because it's supposedly named after a Mr. Snow, whose name was therefore supposedly transliterated into Russian. We really need to avoid making up fake English names for things through our own transliterations, so this redirect needs to go. Mangoe (talk) 13:04, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep Regardless of the validity of this spelling, an article existed at this title from 2006 until last week. Since then, the spelling has been picked up by several travel sites in both Russian ([1]) and English ([2]) according to my Google searches. I think keeping is warranted given this error has now been in circulation for some time. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Well, the other way to look at it is that some writer here decided to make up his own transliteration which has enjoyed some extremely limited dissemination by unwary WP copiers. And therefore we should suppress that by refusing to continue to amplify this by deleting the redirect. One could argue that the correct English spelling should be the English name that the Russian is itself transliterating in the firest place, but the fact seems to remain that we don't have a legitimate authority for this. Mangoe (talk) 14:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would agree with you if the article hadn't persisted for so long. That is the main sticking point for me. Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 22:41, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chick-Fila

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Admittedly a pretty weak nom due to the capitalization and the dash, but couldn't it also be possible that a learner who doesn't natively speak english would also be looking for the chicken tenders article (as to which chick fillet isn't a redirect to but also wouldn't mind it existing) User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 10:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I don't think people who are learning English as a second language would add the dash to be honest. I also think the more expected result for this redirect would be the current target. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pregnant man

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Which is right? LIrala (talk) 17:31, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say that both should link to the same place and that should be Transgender pregnancy. The section in Male pregnancy deals with two largely theoretical matters before very briefly getting on to things that actually exist in the real world. It doesn't even link to Transgender pregnancy, which is the most likely topic that the reader is actually looking for. Transgender pregnancy is much more likely to give the reader what they want and expect. I guess the other target might be acceptable if that section was substantially improved and included a link to Transgender pregnancy but, as it stands, the first redirect sends readers off to a poorly written section that doesn't give them what they are most likely looking for. This is likely to confuse and frustrate them. --DanielRigal (talk) 20:10, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would duplicate it -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 04:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vettukathi

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a south indian cutty boy (that's the formal term, right?), apparently mostly used to cut coconuts. seemingly probably notable on its own, but it's not mentioned in the article, and doesn't even seem to be a type of machete cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:11, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Romanian / moldovan language

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Delete. Poorly formatted and confusing redirect. Also no incoming links. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucjim (talk • contribs) 18:17, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hindh

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"Hindh" isn't mentioned in that section (or anywhere, really). This would be borderline CSDable since there IS technically a prior consensus, but it's not the same target as it was when the previous discussion happened User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Transsexuals

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Despite being Transsexuals being useful, it should be moved to Category:Transsexual people instead, to avoid derogation. While for homosexuals, it's misleading, not every LGBTQ individual experiences homosexuality or identifies as homosexual. However, I wouldn't oppose a move to Category:Homosexual people. LIrala (talk) 01:39, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 22

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Draft:Haarvet

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WP:FORRED from Dutch, no connection to the topic Paradoctor (talk) 17:15, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnson (soccer)

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Ambiguous target, as there are multiple association football/soccer players with surname Johnson, as per List of people with surname Johnson. No evidence that people would be primarily looking for a 1904 Olympian (when the Olympics was not a big deal) over any other soccer player with that surname. Retarget to List of people with surname Johnson#Sports or delete would be better. Joseph2302 (talk) 11:30, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trump the sequel

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The only sites that mention a sequel to Trump are non-notable extremely right-leaning websites Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:04, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

as cool as it is that people can have sequels, donald trump 2: orange you glad he's back? isn't mentioned yet, so delete per nom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
> as cool as it is that people can have sequels, donald trump 2: orange you glad he's back? isn't mentioned yet
a quote for the books Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:00, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • hmm, let's have a look at the citations in order, even though i'm absolutely no expert on burgerland political systems
    1. doesn't directly refer to his second presidency as a sequel. rather, it seems to be about his wacky hijinks in the not burning the world department
    2. i guess "the trump sequel" is close enough
    3. evidently refers to it as a sequel as a joke, but it's probably good enough
    4. seems to refer to everything about the presidency and how people are handling it, except what the annoying orange will actually do. also evidently refers to those effects as a sequel as a joke, but it probably works
    5. "hollywood's trump resistance: the sequel" is not the same as "trump: the sequel"
    6. oh, it's an episode of a tv program. hate that that's how i finally pieced it together, but it's about that episode, and not necessarily the presidency
    overall, i'm starting to think a better option would be returning to red until that episode of panorama is covered, though an astronomically weak keep would work as a second option cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:15, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    wait, what do you MEAN that episode was released in march!? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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2025–26 Santosh Trophy

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Not mentioned at the target in any capacity. Delete as misleading and WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:32, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2029 Under-19 Women's T20 World Cup

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Not mentioned at the target in any capacity. Delete as misleading and WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2028 Under-19 Cricket World Cup

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Not mentioned at the target in any capacity. Delete as misleading and WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2027–2029 ICC World Test Championship

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Misleading redirect, as it's not mentioned at the target. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2025–26 Senior Women's National Football Championship

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Misleading redirect, not mentioned at the target in any capacity. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DYKO

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Delete or Keep Not mentioned at the target. 120.29.79.37 (talk) 07:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

was gonna say "delete per nom", but i'm pretty sure proxies count in sockstrike, so... delete per meeeeeee~
see also the edit history and this afd discussion cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:16, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ghost town tornado

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Ambigious, plenty of towns hit by tornadoes have become ghost towns, https://weather.com/storms/tornado/news/tornado-ghost-towns-20130321 NotAGenious (talk) 21:27, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Why is this even a discussion? This redirect makes no sense. I'm sorry but it should be deleted because ???. Has nothing ti do with the article either.
This0k (talk) 02:20, 14 December 2024 (UTC) (sock strike. Liz Read! Talk! 06:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC))[reply]
@This0k: It does; Picher, OK was declared a ghost town not long after the tornado as a result of its impact. EF5 03:10, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It is not the only one so if anything this should be Disambiguated into multiple other tornados but regardless should not just have one target. This0k (talk) 03:14, 14 December 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep By far the most notable “ghost town tornado”; the 2003 Manchester, SD, tornado doesn’t even come close. Only tornado with RSs saying that it “turned Picher into a ghost town”. EF5 22:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I'd still argue that the page would be more useful redirecting to a more general explanation of the term, like Ghost town#Disasters, actual and anticipated. A list could be added with Pitcher, Manchester SD, Melva MO, Parrish, IL (as an example of something rebuilt), and so on.
I also disagree that RS for the specific term is required. A ghost town is an abandoned settlement, which can be abandoned for natural disasters. NotAGenious (talk) 17:53, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proteen

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I could only find mostly NN brand names from a search for "Proteen", and one single YouTube account. Couldn't find anything about people misspelling "protein" as this User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Johnny Woo (comics)

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Redirected to the current target in 2019, but now not mentioned there. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:30, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Freak-off

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I just removed an unsourced mention of this phrase at target. Even if a source were added, they're not the same thing: Per [9], there are allegations of sexual exploitation at the White Parties, but that's distinct from the alleged freak-offs in hotel rooms. If there's a place this should target, it's Sean Combs sexual misconduct allegations, but currently "Freak-off" only appears in citations there. If mentioned in the body of that article, I'd support a retarget. Else, delete. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 03:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This does seem to be genuinely used as a term to refer to the Diddy Parties, as is reported by reliable sources with respect to the lawsuit. So it's used, and it seems to be a reasonable search term for something related to this. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:27, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aiaiaiaiaiai

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This was blanked & redirected citing WP:NALBUM by @162 etc.:, but the term appears neither at Vopli Vidopliassova nor Vopli Vidopliassova discography, although the redirect is in Template:Vopli Vidopliassova. This redirect is confusing if the term isn't mentioned because of similar-sounding terms. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 10:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not notable. 162 etc. (talk) 17:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bill C

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(NPP action) This abbreviation is very ambiguous; see Special:PrefixIndex/Bill C for a full listing. As far as I can tell, Bill Clinton is not commonly referred to as "Bill C". jlwoodwa (talk) 09:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per same reason provided by the IP user above, whom I agree with here. RedactedHumanoid (talk) 06:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Starz Entertainment

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The original Lionsgate was renamed as "Starz Entertainment Corp." as of November 2024. Because of this renaming, we need to retarget the redirect into the newly-renamed article in preparation of actual WP:RM to more simple name, and WP:NCCORP stats that we not need to use "Corp." or "Ltd" suffix for article naming unless it had been used for legal purposes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.111.100.82 (talk • contribs) 07:42, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Korematsu

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Should be retargeted to Korematsu v. United States. The case is commonly referred to as simply "Korematsu" and the person is mainly notable in the context of the case. The case also gets far more pageviews compared to the person (about 3x last month). Elli (talk | contribs) 05:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fastest man-made object

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I would've CSD'd this but it's not the same target as the previous RFD at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2017_December_13#Xest_Y, so...

"Wikipedia is not a trivia cheat sheet. Feel free to nominate similar redirects here" - prev nom User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 04:24, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Little Big Planet PSP

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I know some redirects for typos are fine, but having more than 7 redirects dedicated for typo redirects are just ridiculous. These redirects are never used. MimirIsSmart (talk) 03:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

10 October 2022 massive missile strikes of Ukraine

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Barely used redirects with the extra descriptor of "massive". There are already similar redirects that begin with the same characters such as 10 October 2022 missile strikes on Ukraine. 1857a (talk) 01:27, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cdi

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"Common Rail Diesel Injection" is not the primary topic for "CDI". This should redirect to CDI (a disambiguation page). I feel users type abbreviations to search bar without all caps and this redirect shouldn't be reserved for a niche term. Also doing a google search, the lower caps version "Cdi" isn't even used for "Common Rail Diesel Injection", it seems to be spelled "CDI" most of the time. Mika1h (talk) 00:12, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 21

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Brahuistan Province

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This may require an expert on the region, which I am not. Regardless, the namespace is not mentioned in the targeted section nor the entire article about administrative units of Pakistan. Brahuistan is the name of a historic region and while it has a nationalist movement, I can find no evidence that it has been proposed as a new province of Pakistan, as implied by the redirect. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:54, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam

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The Holocaust in the Netherlands, where actual pogroms happened, is a better target than a WP:RECENT football hooligan clash. मल्ल (talk) 16:08, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete "Pogrom" is not an established or a widely used term, looking at the coverage of this incident WP:RNEUTRAL. Retarget to the suggested article is also fine. — hako9 (talk) 20:31, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect as suggested, but I suggest adding a {{for}} hatnote (not a {{redirect}} hatnote, for language reasons) to that target. It is supposedly being used in prominent sources (and probably social media but I'm not on Twitter) to refer to the recent ethnic hooliganism, but I agree that it's inappropriate and insensitive to refer to this as a pogrom when actual state-sanctioned pogroms actually happened here. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 21:04, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Keep - Redirects are navigation aids. With the target article saying that the President of Israel characterized the attack as a pogrom, that's sufficient to make it a reasonable search term. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 00:06, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The purpose of the redirects is covered in WP:RPURPOSE. The President of Turkey characterized the president of Israel as a "genocidal murderer". Is that sufficient to make it a reasonable search term, and therefore, a redirect? M.Bitton (talk) 01:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Your analogy doesn't apply. Per WP:BLP, it would be inappropriate to put into the biographical article on the President of Israel the personal attacks that some other world leader made (although it would be appropriate to say that he has been criticized). Likewise, we do not put into biographical articles all the insulting "nicknames" that Trump has given all his political opponents.
    In the case of this redirect in question, the target article specifically has the term "pogrom" in the article, and there are no WP:BLP concerns.
    It's somewhat bewildering that this is not obvious, and I need to explain it. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 06:37, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's somewhat bewildering that you missed the obvious point: the president of Israel is not a reliable source for such a statement. His irrelevant opinion can be attributed to him, but that's about it. M.Bitton (talk) 14:31, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    WP:RS does not apply to redirects. The question about redirects is whether it's a plausible search term. The fact that the President of Israel called it a Pogrom, and it's in the article, makes it a plausible search term. The Mountain of Eden (talk) 20:35, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Preferably delete, the usage of pogrom seems to be isolated to biased sources and should be avoided for obvious WP:NPOV concerns. I think a retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands would only work if it is retarged to something specific on that page. Esolo5002 (talk) 08:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep. What happened yesterday in Amsterdam was characterized by reliable sources as a pogrom. This is stated in the lede of the target. What happened in the Netherlands during the Holocaust was mass-murder of Jews, but not a pogrom or a sequence of pogroms. In fact, that article does not mention pogroms and never uses the word.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:19, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Have any of the WP:RSP described this as a pogrom in their own voice? — hako9 (talk) 11:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands or delete.
When I was a fresh-faced disambiguator, I came across an ambiguous link to a place in modern Belarus. I identified it.
The very next problem was identical. I solved that too.
The third one was the same, and I solved it as well.
At that point, I took a break, because for some reason I was unable to focus properly and was swearing uncontrollably. One of those three places, obliterated in the early 1940s, is commemorated by an engraved stone in the ground. The other two are not.
Calling the recent incident in Amsterdam a "pogrom" is an insult to all those who were victims of actual pogroms. FWIW, I have no Jewish heritage. Narky Blert (talk) 15:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy and Strong Keep - What happened in Amsterdam was horrific and it needs to be reflected as such. It has been described as a pogram and that's because it was one. MaskedSinger (talk) 19:15, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm going to try to say this as charitably as possible, but as someone whose relatives have had to flee actual pogroms during WW2, I feel I do need to say it:
    I find this comparison, made by heads of state or politicians and now defended by you, incredibly insensitive, deeply upsetting, and bordering, itself, on antisemitism, given how profoundly, by association, it minimizes the horrors of anti-Jewish pogroms and relativizes the atrocities of those that carried out pogroms. Especially now that it's become increasingly apparent the Israeli fans engaged in behavior that could itself, at best, be described as monstrous bigotry and cheers for ethnic cleansing.
    Either way, while I wanted to share how offensive I think this comparison actually is, I'm aware my feelings on the subject matter little. The only question that should be considered here is: per RNEUTRAL, is this term one that's been established by reliable sources to have due weight and therefore meets the criteria for NPOV redirects? I don't have an answer to that myself as I haven't looked at the proportion of sources that use the term, but I think that's what should be focused on here. LaughingManiac (talk) 14:17, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @LaughingManiac How is calling it a pogrom bordering on antisemitism? MaskedSinger (talk) 14:56, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I said what I said and have laid out my reasons for saying it already. Take it or leave it at that. LaughingManiac (talk) 15:07, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep A very quick Google search demonstrates that the term “Amsterdam pogrom” and “pogrom in Amsterdam” are being widely used to describe the article topic. This strikes me a reasonable search term; I personally used the redirect to initially find the article. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 20:44, 9 November 2024 (UTC) EDIT: under wikipedia:RNEUTRAL we are permitted to use non-neutral redirect titles and are in fact given extra leeway because redirects are less visible to readers. Given that the the term has been frequently used in reliable sources and given that it is a reasonable search term for readers to utilize, I really do not see a justification to delete. Spirit of Eagle (talk) 23:07, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget or just delete - the reliable sources used in the article which I spot-checked do not describe this event as a pogrom; at most they quote Israeli officials doing so. Hatman31 (he/him · talk · contribs) 02:41, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The sources are not describing this as a pogrom. Netanyahu is not a reliable source for what this article should be called. Parabolist (talk) 11:00, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete An unfortunate event with poor behavior all around does not meet the definition of a progrom. If someone has called it that that can be reflected in the article text but we shouldn't be saying it was one. Just Step Sideways from this world ..... today 02:33, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong delete or redirect as suggested. Not a pogrom, though there was violence against Jews. Natg 19 (talk) 21:45, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands. This feels like another case of WP:RECENTISM. 67.209.128.164 (talk) 08:37, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget WP:RECENTISM in full swing. Lavalizard101 (talk) 18:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose retarget to The Holocaust in the Netherlands per Ymblanter. The segregation and deportation of Jews in the Netherlands was a gradual and meticulous process. The holocaust article also has no redirects or incoming links from articles having "pogrom' in the title. If a president naming a recent incident as a pogrom, is irrelevant opinion, a group of Wikipedia editors characterizing the Holocaust in the Netherlands as comprising of a pogrom, is not any less. But if we have other redirects titled "pogrom" targeting holocaust articles where "pogrom" is not mentioned, or pogroms didn't happen, then I would like to look at those, and possibly reconsider. Jay 💬 08:26, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Can you point me to where The Holocaust in the Netherlands covers actual pogroms? Jay 💬 16:33, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – The Holocaust in the Netherlands does not appear to cover pogroms, and the use of this to 'November 2024 Amsterdam attacks' is a massive neutrality violation.
TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 17:05, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. As the target notes, any commentators incorrectly called the attack a pogrom. Neutrality isn't an issue per WP:RNEUTRAL. The Holocaust article does not speak about any pogroms in Amsterdam or elsewhere but rather an efficiently brutal genocidal administration, so it does not appear to be an accurate historical rendering to target this there. -- Patar knight - chat/contributions 00:26, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete This was an incident but no pogrom. Hopelessly biased. The suggested retarget "The Holocaust in the Netherlands" is not sensible, as it does not cover any pogrom. The Banner talk 12:25, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jewish pogroms in Amsterdam

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This redirect doesn't direct to a pogrom -- haminoon (talk) 06:19, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Struck per WP:ARBPIA's extendedconfirmed restriction. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe) 22:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hi. I see that you have registered today and the only edit you did id on this page. Do you mind to elaborate your point? With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • merge what little there is, place a redirect if really necessary, but I think due to how general the title is, that due to WP:RECENT within a few months it will be back here to be deleted due to lack of precision. TiggerJay (talk) 08:11, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and merge, as many RS call it this way:
  1. The Jerusalem Post (1, 2, 3, 4)
  2. The Times of Israel (1, 2, 3, 4)
  3. Reuters (1 - quote)
  4. JSN (1)
  5. New York Post] (1 - quote)
  6. The New York Sun (1, 2)
  7. BBC (1, 2, 3)
  8. Israel Hayom (1)
  9. Arutz Sheva (1, 2)
  10. The Jewish Chronicle (1)
  11. The Spectator (1)
  12. The Forward (1)
  13. Ynet (1)
  14. The Jewish Press (1)
  15. Newsmax (1, 2)
  16. Legal Insurrection (1)
  17. Townhall (1)
  18. Israel Today (1)
  19. And more.
With regards, Oleg Y. (talk) 14:18, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The vast majority of these sources are not calling it a pogrom in their own voice and are simply quoting people describing the event as such, or just mention it in the headline (WP:HEADLINES). The only sources that are asserting it was a pogrom are 6: Townhall (WP:MREL), Legal insurrection (not a RS, looks like a glorified blog), Israel National News (not a RS, it's an Israeli Zionist media network), NYSun (a conservative news website known for dishonest reporting), a blog from ToI (WP:NEWSBLOG) and finally, and unsurprisingly, Jpost (not precisely known for fact checking and currently under discussion re: their reliability). - Ïvana (talk) 02:10, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete This was an incident but no pogrom. Hopelessly biased. The suggested retarget "The Holocaust in the Netherlands" is not sensible, as it does not cover any pogrom. The Banner talk 12:26, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Tabernacle

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Many other entries at Tabernacle (disambiguation) are referred to as "The Tabernacle", and I don't think this concert hall is the clear primary topic among them. jlwoodwa (talk) 07:05, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep That's the point. It's to make the concert hall easier to find since there are already a lot of places with the same name. Also as seen on Tabernacle (concert hall) it is often called "The Tabernacle" as with most concert halls have a "the" and are more likely to be searched for that way. The only other option is to disambiguate but I am against that as none of those links to it link anywhere else but the concert hall anyway. This0k (talk) 11:23, 14 December 2024 (UTC) WP:STRIKESOCK. KOLANO12 3 20:39, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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FC Türkiye II

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This could refer to the B-team of the target club, but it isn't mentioned in that page. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:04, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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200cc

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Might cause confusion due to the possibility of it referring to engine displacement. Frost 18:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete, indeed, a WP search for "200cc" shows lots of hits with it as a descriptor for various real engines; I don't see why the game should get any sort of priority, especially since it's just one little minor factoid in the article and not any sort of main topic therein. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 21:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cisidentity

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Wiktionary or their equivalent -gender articles? LIrala (talk) 17:52, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not really seeing the point of those redirects but redirecting to Wiktionary seems unlikely to be helpful. It seems like they should both link to the articles but maybe I'm missing the point here? --DanielRigal (talk) 23:50, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@DanielRigal The point of the redirects? The terms are more used academically in journals or activist writing in English, and are the literal translations of the terms French Wikipedia uses in the mainspace titles, probably because of WP:NOUN policies plus the terms being more formal in French. Cisidentity, specifically, seems to be a protologism. I guess people redirect them to Wiktionary because the terms are not mentioned in the main articles. Though recently some egregious groups started using them to mean "cisid" and "transid". LIrala (talk) 04:09, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe they should be mentioned in the main articles then? I'm not sure to what extent French terminology should guide us but if redirecting to Wiktionary makes more sense for reasons that I'm not getting then that's fine. I do think that both should do the same thing though. It's confusing if parallel terms are treated differently. --DanielRigal (talk) 04:19, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree and understand your confusion. I have the same opinion of yours. LIrala (talk) 04:21, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Legends Drum and Bugle Corps

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Does not appear at target article. Bgsu98 (Talk) 09:31, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: I removed it from the target page since it no longer fits the criteria of the list (i.e., a multiple-time finalist in the World Class division). However, I would not be opposed to keeping it purely to preserve the page history. Why? I Ask (talk) 09:38, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Hold on... the criteria of the list reads list of defunct Drum Corps International member corps, particularly those that have been finalists multiple times. The Legends Drum and Bugle Corps seems to satisfy that. Am I missing something? Andrewa (talk) 22:07, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      They have not been finalists overall, only in the lower division (which most make since it is smaller). The only time a lower-division corps has made finals was the Magic of Orlando in 2002. Why? I Ask (talk) 00:03, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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*Delete. There is no need for this, no important links to it nor is it of any substance. It's probably best to delete this redirect entirely as it has also been removed from the target article.
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Complex math

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Complex numbers aren't the only complex part of math though? For one, several people have lamented (publicly and privately) about how stuff like calculus and algebra are complex as well. For second, what's considered complex can be different from person to person (for example, a 6-year-old would think something like "8/4" is the hardest question ever made whereas a recreational mathematician could probably do it easily), so complex numbers might not actually be that complex to certain people. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:18, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. The phrase is inherently ambiguous, and readers have better to search separately its components complex and math. — Preceding unsigned comment added by D.Lazard (talk • contribs)
  • Delete per D.Lazard. One aspect of the problem is that "complex" has a technical meaning in math (referring to the complex numbers) and a colloquial meaning in general (something like complicated or difficult). Mgnbar (talk) 13:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – I've bundled in Complex mathematics. J947 ‡ edits 22:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep: this certainly is very ambiguous between the two meanings. However, for one meaning (complex numbers) we have a good target and for the other meaning (complicated in general) we don't. Therefore I'm leaning towards this redirect being ok. J947 ‡ edits 22:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, obviously. Sure, you could say there's ambiguity between "complex math" and "math that's complex" in the same way that if you wanted to you could assert there's some ambiguity between Big apple and an apple that's big. There's no article for the general concept of "math that's complicated", and even if there were, Complex number would still be the correct target for "complex math". I'd be fine with a hatnote if anyone genuinely feels there's some confusion. BugGhost 🦗👻 00:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Nobody uses the phrase "complex mathematics" for this. When I typed "complex mathematics" into a Google scholar search, not a single result from the first 50 meant complex in the sense of complex numbers. Most of them were about "complex mathematics" tasks in education, meaning difficult, complicated, or advanced. –jacobolus (t) 04:19, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's a redirect, not an article title - it doesn't need to be the exact phrase scholars use. This article covers the accepted meaning of "complex" used in mathematics, and so the redirect is correct. We also don't (and probably shouldn't) have an article on the subjective concept of "difficult mathematics". BugGhost 🦗👻 08:21, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    There are lots of accepted meanings of "complex" in mathematics; see below. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, not a phrase which is meaningful or widely used as a unit. Curious readers should be looking up "complex" in Wiktionary and "mathematics" here, or else going to complex analysis or complex number. These titles have no inbound wikilinks from article namespace, another indication that they aren't very useful. –jacobolus (t) 04:21, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    To clarify, you're suggesting that if someone knows that there's a concept in mathematics using the name "complex" and wants to learn more about it, they shouldn't be allowed to search "complex math" on wikipedia, they should instead search the first word on a different website and the second word here? Or alternatively, the user should just come into knowledge of more specific terms (complex analysis or complex number), presumably through extra research on some more accomodating website, and then search it here? How on earth would that be a good experience for a reader? Why would any of that be necessary or expected? BugGhost 🦗👻 09:11, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. If we had articles on both the technical meaning and the colloquial meaning we could make a disambiguation page, or choose a primary topic with a hatnote. But we don't (Mathematics Made Difficult doesn't count), and we don't generally let the existence of a non-notable colloquial meaning get in the way of giving articles or redirects on technical topics their correct names. In technical mathematics, this can only mean the mathematics of complex numbers (unless maybe someone trying to be cute has used it for the mathematics of cell complexes), and complex number is the correct redirect target. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:29, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:RASTONISH (I couldn't really find somewhere more appropriate for such a vague term either). The plain meaning of this term is just difficult/technical/etc., not related to the complex numbers. A reasonable person looking for info on the complex numbers that already knows something about them will look up something like "complex numbers". A reasonable person looking for info about the topic that doesn't know anything about them will look for the term they found it referred to as, which will be something like the "complex numbers". The current target is misleading. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:06, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I really don't think it's astonishing for Complex math to redirect to the article on the well known mathematical study of complex numbers, I would think it would be astonishing if it went anywhere else. The "plain meaning" of something doesn't hold any weight for a redirect when there is an obvious specific topic that fits instead (see my Big apple vs "an apple that is big" example above). BugGhost 🦗👻 14:47, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Complex number is certainly not "an obvious specific topic" for "complex math". On the opposite, I think that many (if not most) people searching for "complex math" do not know anything of complex numbers, since people using "math" instead of "mathematics" have generally a very low mathematical level and do not know complex numbers at all. Also, when searched, "complex math" is probably written as an altenative of "difficult math" or "advanced math". So, for there readers, redirecting to complex number goes against WP:ASTONISH. D.Lazard (talk) 15:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    since people using "math" instead of "mathematics" have generally a very low mathematical level and do not know complex numbers at all - Is this a serious claim? Any source for that, or just a gut instinct insult? I've got a maths degree and wouldn't bat an eye at either math, maths or mathematics being used to describe it. Also, where I am from, complex numbers are taught to 14 year olds, who generally feel no elitist need to say "mathematics" all the time, but still have the ability to understand the topic. BugGhost 🦗👻 18:01, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I do have to say that I think reading anything into "math" vs. "mathematics" is inappropriate...regardless, this is an implausible, vague search topic, and if you really want to get into the weeds, who's to say that this hypothetical searcher isn't looking for Complex analysis instead? That's a whole ass branch whole-ass branch of math. And before you cry "disambiguate", no, just delete. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:45, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Your "Big Apple" analogy fails completely for a couple reasons -- 1) it's a very well established nickname for the city in widespread use, as opposed to "complex mathematics", which is not, and 2) people would be very unlikely to search for the topic of a large apple, whereas a search for advanced (or higher, or upper level, etc etc) mathematics is a lot more reasonable. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 19:31, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think the likelihood of someone searching "complicated math" is as about likely as someone searching "large apples", as both terms are too vague and ill defined to be articles. I genuinely don't understand the logic of saying this redirect should be deleted because it is allegedly ambiguous with a subjective, vague topic that doesn't (and won't ever) have an article. If it is ambigous with something that isn't at all suitable to be an article then there is no ambiguity at all, and the original target should remain. BugGhost 🦗👻 01:36, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Complex math" isn't a topic. It's a vague phrase that nobody uses to refer to the redirect target, and a plain reading suggests it's more likely to mean higher mathematics (while we don't have an article specifically about that, we very well could...most any university math degree curriculum contains something like a "transition to higher mathematics" course) than to mathematics about the complex numbers. If you really insist on the latter, again, why the complex numbers, and not complex analysis? Or are you suggesting that this is merely a couple keywords smushed together? If that's the case, we shouldn't be redirecting based on that, but even if we should, then also why not abstract cell complex, CW complex, chain complex, complex manifold, simplicial complex, etc. etc? 35.139.154.158 (talk) 03:04, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Re: "why not a bunch of other articles with the word complex in?" - Because they are clearly not the primary topic. Complex analysis is the study of functions that use complex numbers (extension of real analysis), and so not the introductory base article for the concept of complex numbers. The rest of the articles you listed are not serious suggestions - they are arbitrary articles you picked out of a hat that no one is suggesting, and are obviously more niche and very unlikely to be what the user is trying to find when searching "complex math".
    The study of complex numbers is not a niche topic - I feel some participants are confusing the topic with a some novelty number classification, like lucky numbers or happy numbers. Complex numbers are a hugely important pillar of modern mathematics and have usages that are both influential and applied. They underpin essential concepts in signal processing, computer graphics and quantum physics (examples linked), and dozens of other fields. It is undoubtedly the primary topic. If you need evidence of this, please see David Eppstein's vote above, as his view on this topic should be given some weight. BugGhost 🦗👻 11:33, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The study and usage of complex numbers is not normally referred to as "complex math". I agree with jacobolus (04:19, 22 December 2024). Adumbrativus (talk) 00:50, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Common lime

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There is no evidence that a primary subject has been specified, as Papilio demoleus is commonly called the Common lime butterfly, but "Common lime" more commonly refers to the tree Tilia × europaea. KOLANO12 3 09:04, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sarsanghachalak

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Delete, not a plausible search term. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 01:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as an alternative transliteration of sarsanghchalak. The only difference is the presence of an "a" before the c-l-k sequence; the lead gives the IAST Sarasaṅghacālaka, which also has an "a" in that position. Ngrams shows that it's an uncommon but extant spelling. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Sarsanghchalaks of the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh.

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Delete, it was likely created by a typing error as it has a fullstop at the end. Not a plausible search term. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 01:34, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as WP:UNNATURAL. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:57, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Jlwoodwa. KOLANO12 3 16:56, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 20

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The Modernist Studies Association

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Arbitrary redirect to arbitrary person who served as president for a 1 year term: just like Susan McCabe, Cristanne Miller, and over 20 other people (see https://www.moderniststudies.org/about/past-presidents/). The MSA does not seem otherwise especially strongly connected to Caughie (nor any of the above), and certainly not strongly enough for a redirect. The association may possibly be independently notable to merit its own article, but until should not be redirected to any random member or administrator, and I think Deletion is better than arbitrary, confusing redirect. --Animalparty! (talk) 22:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as WP:RETURNTORED. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

⚧︎

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Last discussion suggests to retarget. Another comment is that ⚧︎ is also used as a toilet pictogram, and they are all covered in Gender_symbol#Sexual orientation and gender politics. LIrala (talk) 21:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unclear what you are proposing. Gonnym (talk) 22:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to the last section mentioned. LIrala (talk) 22:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Miami Beach Hall of Fame

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Not mentioned at target. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:22, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Colin Levy

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Broken redirect to a subsection of the Sintel article which used to be essentially a short bio of Colin Levy, but now does not exist any more. Redirect should be deleted, potentially it makes sense to write an article about Colin in its place eventually if it is considered notable, but the section that was deleted from the article likely isn't sufficient to establish this. — Julian H.✈  20:41, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

super mario land 4-6

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those aren't subtitles in those games, so guessing that they would be might count as original research, and virtual boy wario land is the real sml5, so they should all be pushed up a number! consarn (formerly cogsan) 18:59, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Blunt weapon

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It's starting to look like blunt instrument may become a redirect. Either way, a blunt weapon is not the same as a blunt instrument. IMO, it should either redirect to weapon and be mentioned somewhere, or be deleted. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:10, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wait for the fate of the current target article and do the same. While I agree that "weapon" and instrument" are not the same ("weapon" means intended use while "instrument" in this context means occasional use), their usage and consequences thereof are the same and splitting hairs would be reasonable only in presence of RS. Ny presefence would be redirectr to blunt trauma --Altenmann >talk 18:43, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think regardless of the fate of the article, "blunt weapon" is used in more contexts than "blunt instrument" is. The latter is solely a legal term. And it would be WP:SURPRISE for someone to be looking for a weapon and be sent to medical trauma. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Melee weapon

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This page was apparently deleted, so I'm not even sure why it remains a redirect. But that said, it being a redirect raises issues about its target, which is vague and could be weapon, melee, or even Role-playing game terms (since it's almost entirely a term used in gaming, not real life). I'd personally rather just see it deleted entirely and the search function being able to be used, but my second choice would be the glossary of RPG terms. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:52, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Google hits are mostly RPGs, but there's also List of premodern combat weapons § Melee weapons. Cremastra 🎄 u — c 🎄 01:32, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

N00b

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I thought of retargeting this redirect to Leet#n00b, but i think it's best to ask for consensus first before doing so. You have two choices: either keep this redirect as it is now, or retarget it to Leet#n00b as i wanted. This redirect should not be deleted. 67.209.128.30 (talk) 08:53, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you can't tell me what to do, i vote to retarget to my talk page!!
just kidding, retarget to leet#n00b, even though the section should be called (v)<><>)3 cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:20, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Yemen-Taizz

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Taizz is not mentioned in Kingdom of Yemen, its current target. Taiz is a city in Yemen. This can be deleted due to ambiguity. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:56, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Taizz is just an alternative spelling of Taiz, which was the capital of the kingdom. Pescavelho (talk) 16:15, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Then why is it not targeting Taiz? Also, the title Yemen-Taizz is not mentioned in the article. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 08:08, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sapcex drone ship

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No more useful than Sapcex would be, let alone its properly-spelt counterpart. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 14:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads-up. That doesn't change my "delete" view - Davidships (talk) 15:17, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Kyrgyzstan

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  Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted

Portal:Bhutan

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  Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted

Portal:Kazakhstan

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  Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted

Portal:Armenia

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  Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted

Portal:Albania

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  Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted

Virus Barrier

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This was actually mentioned (NOT NOMINATED) in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_20#VirusBarrier as an incorrect redirect, but no one has nominated this specific redirect again since then so I might as well.

Nominate for the reasons described over there, "[..] incorrect and doesn't appear to be used at all [..]" User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 10:25, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maria, Hilfe der Christen

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Redirect from the title in German, but the target doesn't seem to have anything to do with the country or language. Delete per WP:RLANG. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep unless incoming link is first updated. As it stands, it's a bit Easter-eggy. Might be better to modify the text to Maria-Hilf ([[Mary, Help of Christians]]) or just use the English term. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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There's vomit on his sweater already

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Unlike "snap back to reality", this is a much less common line in this song that people are most likely not going to be searching for. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It's still a pretty well known lyric, especially since it's before "mom's spaghetti". CheeseyHead (talk) 07:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh. Yeah, I did not know that. (Can you tell I'm not an Eminem fan? :P) Withdrawn Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete as not the big notable part of the meme. there's spaghetti on his spaghetti alretti cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:26, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Knees weak arms spaghetti CheeseyHead (talk) 16:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
keep instead cause the meme. gtp (talk) 18:04, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hallelujah night

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Not mentioned at target, but is a term used in a least one book (Guadalcanal: The Definitive Account). However, Google results are all associated with a Christian alternative to Halloween, and the only use of the term on enwiki is in a reference at Halloween. Not sure what's best here, but the status quo is likely astonishing to at least some searchers. Mdewman6 (talk) 23:42, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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9/28/2022

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The redirect seems inappropriate as there is more than one major events occurred on that date, not just Hurricane Ian A1Cafel (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

September 28, 2022

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The redirect seems inappropriate as there is more than one major events occurred on that date, not just Hurricane Ian A1Cafel (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tradiční Lovecký salám

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lovecký salám (hunting salami, apparently) is mentioned in the article, but not necessarily its "traditional" variant. has incoming links, but their classification as traditional seems to be unsourced and not necessarily correct cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

should mention that lovecký salám already exists, so the links could easily be fixed, if any fixing needs to be done cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:46, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Lovecký salám was applied for as a EU Traditional Speciality Guaranteed-product (TSG). That means that -in order to use the name- all products in the EU have to be produced according to the specs provided in the application. following opposition, the name Tradiční Lovecký salám was accepted as a TSG (see here). That means that one can use the name Lovecký salám without regards to what the product looks like, but Tradiční Lovecký salám is subject to the characteristics in the description. The name is therefore worth a redirect as people may be interested and this is the closest page we can offer. Having said that, the current characterisation of Lovecký salám as a TSG i incorrect; and I will change that. An alternative is redirecting to List of traditional specialities guaranteed by country, but for me that feels too generic... L.tak (talk) 09:29, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per L.tak's changes. Thanks. Jay 💬 07:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
corrected the page now in line with what I stated. Thanks for bringing the oversight to my attention. L.tak (talk) 22:36, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draft:Execution of Mary, Queen of Scots

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I think this redirect can be deleted under the G6 criteria for maintenance, since it can never serve as a plausible link to the target page. Will be looking forward to the community's input. Keivan.fTalk 03:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see why a histmerge is necessary; Omnis Scientia was both the author of this redirect's previous revisions and the editor who copied them over to the target, so WP:NOATT would apply. jlwoodwa (talk) 06:52, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I ran into some complications when moving it to mainspace, with it saying the "page of that name already exists" i.e. the redirect. I saw this as the best course of action at the time so I support whatever course is taken here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 07:39, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Kind Mr. Seon Ju

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Not mentioned at target and the literal title of the Korean drama is Kind Mrs. Seonju as the lead character is a female (see Desperate Mrs. Seonju). 𝙹𝚒𝚢𝚊𝚗 忌炎 (𝚃𝚊𝚕𝚔) 00:20, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. "Ssi" (씨) can roughly translates to "Mr.", "Mrs.", or "Ms.". But the character is a female so it can either be Mrs. or Ms./Miss. Aidillia(talk) 00:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]


December 19

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Wolf Beil

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Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:29, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Guy (Fire Emblem)

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Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • delete per nom. not on the notable side of blazing blade characters (he's no dorcas or best boy hector in that area), myrmidons (he's no joshua or navarre in that area), or even characters with dumb names (he's really no dorcas in that area) consarn (formerly cogsan) 17:13, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Super Mario Land 7

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Extremely unlikely search term, Google results were unrelated. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:49, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom. no opinion on retargeting to the same place as 7 grand dad consarn (formerly cogsan) 19:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
hey wait a minute. it's also factually incorrect, as it's land > land 2 > wario land > wl2 > virtual boy wl > wl3 > wl4 > funny shake game, making it sml8. forget my previous vote, delete as heresy!! consarn (formerly cogsan) 20:03, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Biokinton

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Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Even if it was mentioned, readers would be better informed heading to mario wiki. [13] Ca talk to me! 16:57, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nine Years' War (version 2)

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Highly implausible search term, no meaningful page history. QuicoleJR (talk) 18:50, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom. still getting into those, no rush~ consarn (formerly cogsan) 19:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and nominate for WP:DAFT. 67.209.129.74 (talk) 02:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
you have no idea how many of those there are... consarn (formerly cogsan) 17:06, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2026–27 UEFA Women's Europa Cup

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Not mentioned at target, making it a misleading redirect for anybody searching for this page. Delete as WP:TOOSOON. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Movie Trivia Schmoedown

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This redirect's original target, Collider (website), merged into the new target as a result of this discussion in October 2024. The content related to this program did not merge over, thus resulting in no mention at the new target. Jalen Barks (Woof) 15:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is it, for any reason, worth mentioning at the new target? BD2412 T 17:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm Mmmmm

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Can't find any evidence that the song was known by this version of the title. mwwv converse∫edits 14:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maria Maceiras

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Links to article that had fan-cruft shoved in to support this redirect. UtherSRG (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vietcong01

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Links to article that had fan-cruft shoved in to support this redirect. UtherSRG (talk) 12:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as this sounds like another act of wikilittering. 67.209.129.48 (talk) 21:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per @Presidentman's vote on a discussion with nearly the exact same precedent User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 10:07, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Someone-123-321: Can you link to said comment? At this moment this vote lacks any meaningful context. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:46, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seijistar

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Links to article that doesn't discuss this subject. UtherSRG (talk) 12:36, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Titans Event

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Links to article that doesn't discuss this subject. UtherSRG (talk) 12:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Andrey Novak

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Links to article that doesn't discuss this subject. UtherSRG (talk) 12:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2021 ICC Champions Trophy

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Misleading redirect, as there was never planned to be a 2021 edition of the ICC Champions Trophy. As such, there is no information at target article about a 2021 edition. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:22, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:REPORT

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Retarget to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard. Most people use the term "report" to refer to alerting the administrators of something that requires administrator attention, both on and outside of Wikipedia (although Wikipedia commonly refers to "reporting" as "administrator attention"). There also exists a redirect called Wikipedia:Report vandalism (targeting Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism as of this nomination, Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism today), which is an example of a redirect that stems from "report" meaning "administrator attention" on Wikipedia. 67.209.129.48 (talk) 11:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: No consensus for 5 days. Suggesting retargeting. 67.209.128.177 (talk) 20:18, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well yes I think there is a consensus for disambiguation rather than retargeting to a different target. Crouch, Swale (talk) 23:28, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

アメリカ

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This is the Japanese word for "United States". The current target is unlikely to be what an ordinary reader is trying to find for when they type this into the search box. Retarget to Names of the United States#Names in the Asian cultural sphere where discussed; compare previous discussions on 미국 and 美利坚合众国. 59.149.117.119 (talk) 10:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Heavy vehicle

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heavy equipment fans are in shambles right now. maybe planes and tanks too. really, results gave me a little bit of everything cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Cremastra and WP:RETURNTORED. I can see this topic being notable, but none of the pre-existing targets are good fit. Ca talk to me! 14:07, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ella, maldita alma (Tv Series)

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Recently created article which I've moved. This redirect isn't a likely search result because of its strange mixed capitalization. Gonnym (talk) 11:46, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The problem with purely capitalization-based disambig errors is that Wikipedia and Google search are case-insensitive with no way to do a case-sensitive search so I physically can't search for JUST those that use "Tv Series" Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 10:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There is no reason for you to search "Tv Series", just as there is no reason for you to search for "Tv SeRies". Gonnym (talk) 11:07, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was trying to search for other redirects that have that exact capitalization, because I would be more inclined to !keep if it was common than if it was uncommon Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 13:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete as the title isn't fully capitalized, while the t in tv is. a full title case redirect like ella, maldita alma (tv series) (for legal reasons, i have to hide the capital letters in the hyperlink) would be fine though consarn (formerly cogsan) 19:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nightb***h

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Book title is not censored and full name is Nightbitch. Wikipedia is also not censored. Blethering Scot 22:02, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom's statement. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:52, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete as implausible censoring. just say "b*tch" if you're that worried about the fuck words. of course, this means i'd consider "nightb*tch" to be a plausible redirect. don't you hate it when your stay at home wife sometimes transforms into a dog? that happened to my buddy eric once, and his week was ruined cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:22, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I wouldn't consider "b***h" to be implausible though Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
it certainly is on the more niche side of censorings. maybe down there with "fu*k" and "a*s" cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
fu*k has a redirect, so it's not really obscure Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 12:17, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
ow my consonants cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:24, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Plausible censoring. Wikipedia is not censored, but a redirect is not content, it's a navigation aid. The fact that wikipedia is not censored doesn't mean our users necessarily know that, or that they won't self-censor themselves, or copy a search term from someone else who does. WP:CHEAP applies. Fieari (talk) 23:16, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete. We're not censored and shouldn't encourage any misguided notion that we'll de-censor self-censored search terms. If something's citeably referred to in censored fashion, that's different. The play Shopping and Fucking was frequently referred to in the media as "Shopping and F***ing", for example (e.g.), and that would be a legitimate redirect title. I'm kind of surprised that Shopping and F***ing doesn't already exist, now that I've looked for it.  — Hex • talk 16:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep redirecting a redacted version to the non-censored version is pretty much the opposite of censorship. I did a new simple google search for "Nightb***h" and found that the Daily Mail has used it in two video posts and three articles, so it's very possible someone will search Wikipedia for that exact title. Skynxnex (talk) 21:20, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep as currently unambiguous on Wikipedia per this wildcard search ... which was quite surprising, but it is what it is. Steel1943 (talk) 07:28, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thrustship

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The term "Thrustship" is not mentioned nor defined on the target page. The article that brought me it is also the only content page that links to it. Therefore, unless "Thrustship" is considered notable, there seems to be no good reason for this redirect to exist. ZFT (talk) 23:16, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ascensorium

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results gave me "things that make you go up" in general, but mostly hiking equipment. mentioned in #terminology as a synonym for spiral stairs, but it seems the meaning has been changed cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:53, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep Online search for me only shows stairs and latin/polish results. Ca talk to me! 01:06, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I could find stairs and stairs only User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 08:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Wikipedia is not ascensored Unlikely search. Obsolete ecclesiastical term[14] deriving from medieval Latin - Wiktionary would be a better place to search for ascensorium, although it doesn't currently have an entry for it.  — Hex • talk 16:36, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
actionable pun detected consarn (formerly cogsan) 16:47, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coat of arms of Christmas Island

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This was retargeted to Christmas Island in 2024, but that target was ruled out in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 December 18 § Coat of arms of Christmas Island. Someone-123-321 requested G4 speedy deletion, but I declined since pages can't be speedied if there's a non-speedyable revision in the history, and reverted to the original target. That said, the original target makes even less sense than Christmas Island as a target, as Christmas Island isn't mentioned once there, so this should still be deleted. And perhaps salted, given that this is the third attempt to make a page out of a thing that doesn't exist—fourth if you count a creation in 2006 containing only the string {{deletebecause|Doesn't have coat of arms.}}! -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 07:51, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"but I declined since pages can't be speedied if there's a non-speedyable revision in the history" imma be real here for a second, I didn't bother once to check the history before G4ing. consider this a WP:SELFTROUT if you will.
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Delete and salt Both targets are really inane decisions. Coat of arms of Australia because last time I heard about Christmas Island it's certainly not a redirect to Australia, and Christmas Island because CI's infobox doesn't have a coat of arms in the first place User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:58, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Beyoncé (given name)

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This exact redirect was mentioned in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2021_December_19#Budjerah_(given_name) by @Tavix (which I have pinged because he made the comment on that one. Implausible for the same exact reasons User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:36, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fix ping: User:Tavix. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 07:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:RFD/2018 November 18

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Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Why does this specific RfD get a special redirect to it? It's not like this is used anywhere substantial, simply two talk archives for a now blocked user and two other RfDs User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment Searching for previous RfDs, I did find one. However, said one mentioned a nomination that was not linked.
So, essentially, I have a 979 on my hands... well that's just great[sarcasm] User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 07:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2015 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships

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Incorrect redirect. Subject is better off with a red link The Banner talk 04:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP; the target article displays the medalists from this otherwise non-notable competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:39, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So there is no reason for the redirect while it is blocking the creation of an article. The Banner talk 16:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nothing is blocking the article from being created. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2016 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships

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Incorrect redirect. Subject is better off with a red link The Banner talk 04:55, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP; the target article displays the medalists from this otherwise non-notable competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:38, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So there is no reason for the redirect while it is blocking the creation of an article. The Banner talk 16:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Correction, nothing is blocking the article from being created. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2018 Ukrainian Figure Skating Championships

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Incorrect redirect. Subject is better off with a red link. The Banner talk 04:54, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP; the target article displays the medalists from this otherwise non-notable competition. Bgsu98 (Talk) 12:37, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So there is no reason for the redirect while it is blocking the creation of an article. The Banner talk 16:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Correction, nothing is blocking the article from being created. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:07, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Transphobia in the US House of Representatives

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I feel like this is a broader topic, a bit misleading to target it to a specific instance. JayCubby 19:48, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The bill is not called "Transphobia in the US House of Representatives" by any people. I agree with 35.139. Ca talk to me! 23:32, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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L is real

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Not mentioned at target, near implausible as it is a meme. 107.19.1.83 (talk) 02:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

speedy close. l is real 2401 has a different target, so it should probably be nominated together, but not with this reasoning consarn (formerly cogsan) 11:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Trafozsatsfm

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Similar to Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_December_18#ITEOTWAWKI etc., no evidence this album is referred to by this initialism. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:A441:E116:80BC:26F3 (talk) 00:41, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep - Google disagrees, it seems lots of people use exactly this initialism. Some use it in all lowercase, some all uppercase, and some with the mixed case of TRaFoZSatSFM, but I'm seeing significantly more hits than I expected when I searched for it. Looks like a useful redirect for navigational aid-- the title is so long people naturally want to shorten it. I don't think a mention in the article is necessary, this is just to get people to where they want to go without having to type the whole thing. Fieari (talk) 02:53, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per previous consensus and my reasoning at other song acronym titles. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:43, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 18

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Colin Mitchel Robert v. The United States

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Delete. It is a misreading of the full case name, "COLIN MITCHEL, ROBERT MITCHEL, IN HIS OWN RIGHT, AND [...] v. THE UNITED STATES". The person's name was Colin Mitchel. "Robert Mitchel," whoever that is, is a different name that probably belongs to someone else who is not mentioned in the opinion or in the literature. "Colin Mitchel Robert" is nobody, so this is objectively not likely to be searched. The only reason this existed in the first place was to redirect a link from the relevant disambiguation page, Mitchell v. United States, to the relevant subsection about the case. I have made a proper redirect to serve that purpose at Mitchel v. United States (1835). lethargilistic (talk) 20:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Man Who Sold The World(Nirvanacover)

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  Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy delete

0-3-5

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No mentions of these numbers in the target article. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:E9BC:B9ED:405A:596B (talk) 19:56, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete, essentially per nom. no opposition to keeping it if a reliable source can be found and inserted into the article, but as is, i'm not in the mood to rely on already knowing a joke to figure out why a redirect exists consarn (formerly cogsan) 01:44, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
also pretty lucky that it's 0-3-5. if it was 0-2-5, results would be 99% btd6 consarn (formerly cogsan) 01:45, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Boys Are Back in Town (to kill you)

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Apparently the name of a video remix, but the word "kill" doesn't appear in the target article. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:E9BC:B9ED:405A:596B (talk) 19:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

you know that redirect that got up and slapped kissed the boys' face? now it's deleted living happily in a b-class article with its 2 grammatical variants (which are not orphans and/or pending g6/g8 speedy deletion regarding the original redirect, which is very much still up)
...for the uncursed, this means delete consarn (formerly cogsan) 20:09, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cogsan I appreciate all the good work you do at RFD but I understand like 10% of your comments BugGhost 🦗👻 22:42, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
lmao who is this cogsan, i don't know anyone with that name
it's a "contextually adjusted" line from the video in question. i should bring that total down to around 5% consarn (formerly cogsan) 01:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Consarn (sorry, missed the name change!) - I should have assumed the ref was from the RFD topic so fair enough, thanks for the explanation (we're now sitting at 11%) BugGhost 🦗👻 07:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nah, don't worry. Consarm does this kinda thing constantly. User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:26, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I smell of wine and cheap perfume

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Only mentioned in a reference in the target article 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:E9BC:B9ED:405A:596B (talk) 19:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

ITEOTWAWKI

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Again, no evidence that any of these songs are referred to by these initialisms. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:E9BC:B9ED:405A:596B (talk) 19:45, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete all: Per nom. It's similar to a past RfD which resulted in 7 initialisms for songs being deleted. Hey man im josh (talk) 20:17, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Mixed !Vote as follows:
    Keep ITEOTWAWKI - Google shows this is an unambiguous target.
    Delete WTFK - Google and our own internal search shows this as ambiguous
    Keep DLTSGDOM - Unambiguous.
    Delete Gjwthf - Google shows this is ambiguous.
    Delete ITSISK - Google shows another song as WP:PTOPIC, but said song is non-notable.
    Retarget ISHFWILF to Asylum (Disturbed album), which has a cover of the U2 song expressly under this direct name (the initialism).
    Delete A1BTD - Google shows this is ambiguous.
    Keep YSMANL - Gets a LOT of google hits showing it is used, and used unambiguously. Fieari (talk) 03:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Delete Wtshn - Google shows a split between the song and a particular trail in the Alps, with slight preference for the Alps. I don't think said trail is notable enough for a page, so this is ambiguous towards a non-notable topic and thus should be deleted.
    Delete IBIATCL - Google shows this is ambiguous.
    Delete EOTT - Exceptionally ambiguous, might want a DAB eventually.
In summary, each of these should be treated differently... not really a good bundle. Fieari (talk) 03:28, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mixed vote per Fieari - some (not all) of these redirects are unambiguous and used online. We don't gain anything from deleting unambiguous redirects. BugGhost 🦗👻 08:50, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Argufying

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Looking at wikt:argufy, this term has more to do with disputes and disagreements than a series of sentences, statements, or propositions some of which are called premises and one is the conclusion. But I can't find an appropriate place to retarget it – apparently, we don't have an article on the general concept of disputes. (Disagreement (epistemology) and Objection (argument) are far too specific and theoretical, Dissent is only about disputes against authority, and Controversy is about a broad public state of affairs.) Another possibility is to target William Empson, who wrote Argufying: Essays on Literature and Culture (1987). jlwoodwa (talk) 06:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Idk, i just made it since it was a synonym. CheeseyHead (talk) 09:32, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment: Argufy should also be part of this discussion. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:12, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Soft Redirect to the wikitionary entry. Nom is correct that the current target does not have information on what this word refers to, nor do we have an article that fits, but this is a plausible search term as the word is unfamiliar to many and wikipedia is a likely place to look for it. Sending them to wiktionary will serve them far better than giving them meaningless search results here where we don't actually have what they are looking for. I would not strongly object to redirecting to William Empson as an alternative, but I think the wiktionary soft retarget would better suit what I think the searcher is likely looking for (namely, "what is this word?"). Fieari (talk) 02:48, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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O'Doyle Rules

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The text is not mentioned in the redirect target, so the redirect should be deleted. This has been discussed at Talk:Billy Madison#O'Doyle Rules. Graham87 (talk) 11:22, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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HammerHead (company)

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Barely mentioned in target article for its existence. Obscure company which developed four games and is not notable for any more than that, and there is no suitable redirect target with sufficient info on the company. MimirIsSmart (talk) 14:35, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete per nom. no sources in the history, so it's not worth keeping cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:41, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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PITNOL

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As below, no evidence that this song is referred to by either of these initialisms. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:E9BC:B9ED:405A:596B (talk) 18:58, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

EWtRtW

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No evidence that this song is referred to by either of these initialisms. 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:E9BC:B9ED:405A:596B (talk) 18:51, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Fieari, unambiguous, used. Other initialisms of song titles being deleted 9 years ago doesn't mean all initialisms of song titles should be deleted forever, we should look at each one individually. The AAoDT rfd has no bearing at all on this one, as that initialism was for a unofficial name of a current event, not a named title of a creative work. BugGhost 🦗👻 09:02, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2029 Women's Cricket World Cup

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No relevant information at the target, except that the tournament expands from 8 teams to 10 in 2029. The redirect, based on the target at the moment, is misleading and WP:TOOSOON based on the expectation of finding relevant information when searching for this title. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:36, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hurricane Katrina (lists)

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Possibly redundant with the "lists", at least should be retargeted A1Cafel (talk) 15:24, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Forcible confinement

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Previous RfDs for this redirect and similar redirects:

Title is not exclusive to the target, and was previously deleted at RfD in 2019 for the same reason when it targeted kidnapping. Hey man im josh (talk) 14:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Failed star

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  Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: keep

Hurricane Katrina (contents)

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  Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: delete

Flag of North Yemen

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Ill make it an article just like how Flag of South Yemen is an article Abo Yemen✉ 11:18, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. Normally, I'd say retarget to North Yemen (which is incorrectly marked as a dab page, more on that in a moment), which has a picture of the flag. It's short enough to accommodate information about the flag there, and if a spinout is warranted, that can happen without discussion here. However, I notice that the nominator has recently converted it from a dab page to an article (without removing the dab template or adding any sources). I don't know a thing about the history of the region and have no idea if this was reasonable or not. I'd encourage others that might to take a closer look. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 15:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you make it an article, I'd say delete. CheeseyHead (talk) 02:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Moot. It being an article now, this is no longer an RfD matter but (if the condition doesn't improve) a WP:AFD or WP:SPEEDY or WP:PROD matter.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  09:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Under which title is the article? Jay 💬 16:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Specialization in bees

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is there a chance of it being used to refer to some other type of specialization, like beekeeping? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguate. Like Mx. Granger, my first though was "scientific specialization in bees", which apparently is called Melittology. However, I'm fairly interested in biology, and Fieari had a totally different response. I think a WP:DAB is possible. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 12:19, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: My first assumption was also melittology, though I can also see the other ideas. Perhaps a DAB is possible? Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 21:45, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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drafted an extremely undercooked dab. as in i'm pretty sure if jimmy saw it, he'd reenact gordon ramsay getting mad at tom hall. not even a joke, this actually happened, i couldn't make it up if i tried consarn (formerly cogsan) 11:27, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Instead of "specialization in certain roles", would something like "how division of specialized labor is organized in the colony" be preferable? Just plain Bill (talk) 12:01, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TikTok Rizz Party

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Not mentioned at the current target. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 04:33, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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BlueSky

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Arguing that BlueSky should be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Bluesky (BlueSky → Blue Sky) given a lot of people think the S is capitalized. The Wikinav data at the current DAB page target shows that clearly the majority of users expect to navigate to the social media platform. Raladic (talk) 20:01, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Conspiracism

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Target section vanished.

67.209.128.24 (talk) 17:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment: There is no consensus on this nomination for too long. Suggesting relisting. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 17:55, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It's only been 24 hours. Discussions typically stand for 7 days before being relisted. --Paul_012 (talk) 04:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Remove section target, or possibly re-refine - I can't find the edit where the specific section marker "Conspiracism" was removed, but from scanning the article, I would bet that it was reworded to the "conspiracy ideation" phrasing that appears throughout the article, and thus the information is still all here. We could refine to the Conspiracy theory#Psychology or Conspiracy theory#Sociology sections, but the entire article does kinda talk about this, so my first choice would actually be to just remove the section target altogether and leave it just targeted at the article as a whole. Fieari (talk) 23:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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YV (rapper)

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We only have a passing mention of him in the target, and this redirect misleads potential YV fans into thinking we have more about him than we actually do Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:58, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep I can't see how anyone is misled. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 20:18, 22 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]

R&B

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  • Retarget to Contemporary R&B.

As said on talk page, absolutely barely any articles say "Contemporary R&B" when referring to "Contemporary R&B" they just say "R&B". Having this re-direct stops lots of frustration of people redirecting to the Rhythm and Blues genre when it is a Contemporary R&B song. Please see here on how Contemporary R&B is mentioned, it's the modern day now and Contemporary R&B has gained far more notability and is now the WP:COMMONNAME and look at most Contemporary R&B article you'll notice most publications simply wrote "R&B" when citing Contemporary R&B.Eg HotNewHipHop,Billboard,The Guardian.This0k (talk) 21:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)} WP:SOCKSTRIKE — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:48, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment – there are 10,000 links to this redirect so a retarget or conversion into a disambiguation page should be made very carefully. Nevertheless, I believe that a disambiguation page between these two genres is probably ideal. J947 ‡ edits 23:30, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support A conversion into a disambiguation page, when done carefully, is fine with me.
    This0k (talk) 00:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC) (your nomination is your "vote" Liz Read! Talk! 04:04, 18 December 2024 (UTC))[reply]
This can't have one target. The nom's propose change will also frustrate people; also, their rationale seems partially based on WP:RECENTISM. I will draft a disambiguation page. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 00:44, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep R&B stands for Rhythm and Blues. KOLANO12 3 19:11, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Leo (kaiju)

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Same reason here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2024_November_8#Mothra_Leo 203.129.49.225 (talk) 10:00, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete - I've already stated this in the past discussion @203.129.49.225 has linked here, and I'll have to say this again...

    even if I did read those three films articles in my point of view or someone else's point of view, they'd be like "Who the hell is Leo?", and again, I'm not a Mothra expert, I'm only a Godzilla expert.

    If those who don't know what this IP is referring to, I'll mention this quote stated in a past discussion stated by @121.45.246.200 Mothra Leo is a fan name and its simply a rumor, besides if its a rebirth trilogy, the Mothra should be named "MOTHRA", not Leo, otherwise Toho should've changed the names of the trilogy to "Birth of Mothra Leo".
I'm just leaning for delete anyway. GojiraFan1954 (talk) 10:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Square

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The current target is undoubtedly the overwhelming favourite for readers using this term, over New Square, West Bromwich, New Square, Almaty, New Square Publications, and Lincoln's_Inn#New_Square_Lawn. A slew of translations of this term into other languages are encyclopaedic things: Plaza Nueva, Praça Nova, Nytorv, and Plac Nowy.

Disambiguation in some form is required: the question is whether this disambiguation should be carried out at New Square or at New Square (disambiguation). I lean towards the former. J947 ‡ edits 03:08, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Finario

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Delete as ambiguous with Damian of Finario and Battista dei Giudici. These three minor details do not between them warrant a disambiguation page, and search results will do the job quicker and more simply than hatnotes. J947 ‡ edits 02:57, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Offensive content in YouTube

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There might be a few places this could redirect to, including YouTube and YouTube moderation. I've recently declined a speedy request on the basis that this is probably a useful redirect title, though I do want to hear other opinions on which way the best way forward. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 06:08, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Penthouse Suite

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Whilst obviously quite similar to penthouse apartment, I believe there's sufficient fuel to disambiguate this WP:DIFFCAPS-differentiated term – between "The Penthouse Suite" at the current target, the Lord T & Eloise song in the album Aristocrunk, the James Taylor Quartet album, and the radio station mentioned in passing at Hotel Baker. J947 ‡ edits 02:43, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trade Fair Grounds

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This is ambiguous. Google Maps leads me to Zambia (the current target), Zimbabwe, and Malawi. Mentions on Wikipedia include Tanzania, Malta, India, and various German cities.

Disambiguate appears to be the safe bet in this instance, but there are a few complicating factors. While this is a common appendix to the name of a venue, in many cases it is a PTM. Additionally, this is a very frequent second name for a venue that we may or may not list as an alternative name on the relevant article. In general, this term varies between being a description and a genuine name for a place, meaning that a dab page that covers everything is near impossible. There are also trade show, Fairground, and the redirect Trade Fair Ground to be aware of. J947 ‡ edits 02:16, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Battle of Simara (1945)

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"Simara" not mentioned anywhere at target, and the battle described at the target took place in 1944. There is a battle described at Corcuera#Modern history to which this may refer, but the term isn't used there either. Unless there is evidence this is a term in use, the fact this is disambiguated and the base name Battle of Simara does not currently exist suggests deletion may be best. Mdewman6 (talk) 03:32, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That was part of Leyte Gulf and took place in October 1944, not 1945. Mdewman6 (talk) 08:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wang Qingyun

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No point in this redirect, her name is mentioned only twice here in a table. but she is also mentioned as a competitor/medalist in few other articles but none have enough content to anchor a redirect. Sports2021 (talk) 00:02, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dionian(ism)

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Dionian is a translation of wikt:Dioning (heterosexual). It used to be mentioned in Uranian (sexuality), along with several terms coined by Karl. Apollonian and Dionysian could mention dionism, or Dionysus. If this means male homosexuality, then gay men? Or something similar to Achillean. See Terminology of homosexuality. --MikutoH talk! 02:22, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ecuador scuba diving

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no particular affinity with ecuador, from what i can gather. originally created as an ad cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:38, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment - Page history was a stub that was BLAR'd for "being an advertisement", but I honestly don't see it as an advertisement, just as somewhat poorly written, lacking in sources, and pretty vague. I agree there probably exists enough information in reliable sources somewhere to make Scuba diving in Ecuador a potential article... but we don't have it now. Some editors would reach for the WP:TNT, but I tend to like keeping old history even if it's not the greatest. Dunno what to do here though. Fieari (talk) 03:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    One could restore the article to the draftspace and delete the mainspace redirect, if so desired. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 00:58, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

regional screwdrivers

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two different yet similar cases. "birmingham screwdriver" is an apparently obscure uk slang for hammer, as a reference to people from birmingham being muscleheads, while "irish screwdriver" seems to be... some brand of vodka? both terms are unmentioned in the target, and results mostly gave me miscellaneous companies and actual screwdrivers cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

should note that the second one is mentioned and elaborated on in law of the instrument cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:01, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect Birmingham screwdriver → law of the instrument, as that's where the expression is mentioned, and where the reader will best be able to understand what Birmingham screwdriver means.
Delete Irish screwdriver. The only results I find referring to the "irish screwdriver" as a hammer are an urban dictionary entry and a tumblr post (though the tumblr post does point to Green, Jonathon. Casell’s Dictionary of Slang - 2nd Edition. Weidenfeld & Nicholson. 2005 as a source for the expression meaning hammer). Other than those, other mentions of "irish hammer" on google are referring to a cocktail FLIPPINGOUT (talk) 04:41, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mian Page

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Vanishingly few page views per month(21) for a page that gets millions of views every week. There are a lot of people named "Mian Page", and Mediawiki already corrects for simple typos like this. Ca talk to me! 01:18, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Implausible. KOLANO12 3 20:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No reason why this should even exist in the first place. ThatIPEditor They / Them 21:25, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(comment: "and Mediawiki already corrects for simple typos like this" I tested this now, it doesn't.)
Weak delete Unlike what some others are saying, I can relatively plausibly see someone accidentally transposing the I and A keys together. However, this is literally the first page you see when you open up Wikipedia we're talking about here, so people manually going to the Main Page is irrelevant here. Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 05:15, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a person can just type the right words in themselves. BarntToust 14:55, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep per pageviews (so per nom, I suppose). That the target receives a high number of views doesn't change anything. This also seems unambiguous as a search term. I don't know what someone searching this could be looking for other than the main page; I'm not seeing any people called "Mian Page" that we cover. – Michael Aurel (talk) 11:01, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Celete as WP:UNNATRUAL. 67.209.129.48 (talk) 21:25, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dominic Raaab

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"Raaab" is maybe a plausible typo, but "Raaaaaab" seems wholly unnecessary. The question is at what point should we stop elongating "Raab". 1857a (talk) 02:19, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep first but delete the rest per nom. 67.209.129.48 (talk) 21:19, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dicalsium Ruthenate: Ca2RuO4

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  Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: speedy deleted

December 17

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Goth (Silverwing)

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Sarcenet

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an alternate spelling of "sarsenet", a type of silk fabric. unmentioned in the target, though there are mentions of both spellings in other articles (but only two incoming links), and it gets steady views, so maybe there's a more fitting target i'm missing? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Arben Isaraj

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This redirect has been proposed for deletion a couple of time using various unsuitable processes like PROD or inadmissible CSDs. However, the corresponding stub on the Albanian Wikipedia has recently been deleted (see sq:Arben Isaraj) and the person here is not mentioned at target and there is no source for their association with the party, so it may be best to delete. —Kusma (talk) 19:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Τhe fact that we need to discuss, spend other people's time and burden the various procedures for such obvious things is a sign of a bureaucratic mentality that could usefully be avoided. LefterDalaka (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 18:18, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

incomplete-shaped jugemu redirects

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  Closed discussion, see full discussion. Result was: withdrawn

sonic cd locations that aren't stardust speedway

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Bryna

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Displace the edit history to Bryna (Polyommatus) and replace with the disambiguation page Bryna (disambiguation) -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 17:39, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This should be a move request, not a RFD. I agree that the butterfly isn't a primary topic. Animal subgenera are conventionally put in parentheses following the genus; the redirect should be Polyommatus (Bryna) if following zoological convention. Subgenera may also be written on their own; Bryna has been treated as a genus in the past, and I don't think it is currently even accepted as a subgenus; Bryna (butterfly) would be another way to form the redirect (leaving it ambiguous whether it is being treated as a synonymized genus, accepted subgenus, or synonymized subgenus). Plantdrew (talk) 00:14, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The edit history in question, one about the (sub)genus, will non-sensically, end up at Bryna (disambiguation), or will be deleted, to make way for the disambiguation page. That means we cannot retreive anything if we want to merge anything later, or, will just not make logical sense to anyone examining page histories (why do all these redirects called "(disambiguation)" contain non-disambiguation histories?). Since this article was not deleted, and someone might want to retrieve it later, it should be housed in a sensible location, not at a nonsense location (like "Bryna (version 2)" should the page swap end up with the page history somewhere else) or lost. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 07:03, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have no objection to moving the edit history to Bryna (butterfly), this also follows Wikipedia convention on disambiguators, where the disambiguator here is "butterfly" instead of the genus. As for "Polyommatus (Bryna)"; the requested name is because this is Wikipedia convention on pagenames. The name indicated being ambiguous is "Bryna", so a WP:parenthetical disambiguation attaches to the term, where the disambiguator is the genus in this case. Thus we get Bryna (Polyommatus). -- Polyommatus (Bryna) would not be a disambiguated redirect, but an alternate name for the topic; though I think it might confuse editors expecting Wikipedia nomenclature instead of zoological one. I agree that such should also be created as a redirect. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 06:25, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Age is just a number

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Child genital mutilation

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I was wondering if this is a helpful redirect, as it seems to link a WP:FRINGE and bigoted term to actual people. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 16:14, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Disambiguate with Female genital mutilation, Circumcision, and Transgender youth. I would think Transgender health care misinformation would have some information pertaining to this, but it does not currently. It seems like a common yet vague term. This term is frequently tossed around in right-wing personalities, like Donald Trump and Republican lawmakers Southern Poverty Law Center. Ca talk to me! 01:31, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

2025 SAFF U-16 Women's Championship

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No relevant information at the target, making this a misleading redirect for anybody who searches for this. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gender delusion

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I was wondering if this is a helpful redirect, as it seems to links a WP:FRINGE and bigoted term to a real phenomena. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 16:12, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • For what it's worth, I did mark this as reviewed with the thought process that it's an entirely incorrect term, but it leads to a relevant article about what someone searching the incorrect terminology may have actually been looking for. I recognize it may too non-neutral to be an accepted redirect, and I will mentally recalibrate if this ends up deleted. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:15, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom, but as a note to Hey man im josh: I think that's a reasonable idea and I don't disagree with your thought process. If this does not get deleted, someone please make sure it ends up with a {{R from non-neutral name}}. Tessaract2Hi! 16:30, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete, sort of per nom. while non-neutral terms are kind of fine, this really isn't one i can attest to seeing in more places than... here cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:43, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and tag as {{R from non-neutral name}}. This is a pretty common phrase in the TERF and similar transphobic spaces User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:21, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Such a redirect is of no use if the target article doesn't define the term. Nor would this be the appropriate article to define the term in. Maybe Transphobia or Anti-gender movement. But again we'd still need some explanation of what the term means. -- Tamzin[cetacean needed] (they|xe|🤷) 03:34, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chongqing No.1 Middle School

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As per WP:RDELETE points 2 and 10, this redirect not only could plausibly be expanded into into an article (See prior edit history), but also creates significant confusion (The primary article linking to this is Chongqing, which this redirects back to, creating a recursive link) - Additionally, there are next to no pageviews (Prior to proposing this redirect be deleted), suggesting that it's not used frequently Gmoat (talk) 16:41, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:RETURNTORED. It redirects to a list with no context, providng very little information for readers. Ca talk to me! 01:34, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reality shows on Suvarna Channel

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antiwhatever, helminth

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Wading bird(s)

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Seems to me that these should point to the same target, possibly a disambiguation page. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 16:40, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Trump nominations for independent agencies

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These have significant pre-merge edit history for Political appointments of the first Trump administration, but this title does not differentiate between first or second term. Not sure whether to redirect it to 1st term article or to the disambiguation page. Should we move it to a title mentioning "first presidency" without leaving a redirect? —CX Zoom[he/him] (let's talk • {C•X}) 21:41, 1 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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polypifer

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refers to organisms formed from polyps, including but not limited to coral. suggest retargeting there. no opinion on the plausibility of the second redirect cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:22, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Archaic term that I see used in older texts to refer to corals. However, what's more relevant for us is Richard Dawkins' book The Ancestor's Tale in which he notes that "coral" is ambiguous between the organisms themselves and the hard stuff their colonies leave behind. He ressurects the older term "polypifer" to refer to the organisms. Thus, it would seem that coral polyp is the optimal target. But that page redirects to the nom's proposed target, which discusses polyps generally, not just those of corals, I think. The problem is that Polyp (zoology) discusses polyps generally, unrestricted to corals while coral discusses much more about corals than the living polyps themselves. Sigh. Refining to Coral#Anatomy could be quite nice, and I think I prefer that target over the nom's proposal, which is my second choice. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and the second redirect is plausible enough. Should follow wherever Polypifer ends up going. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 01:33, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dating style

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seems pretty confusing, what with both words referring to a lot of other things cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Camera make

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what cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:45, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wikiedia

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admittedly on the weak side of noms, but could someone also be looking for wikimedia? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:46, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

(Keep) It's possible, but much more likely Wikipedia. Even if they aren't, they should see their error, so I don't think a hat note is necessary. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 13:13, 9 December 2024 (UTC).[reply]
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And the universe said I love you because you are love

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Albidovulum xiamenensis

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Breena

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December 16

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LGBT in the Nordic countries

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Elmo knows where you live

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Scenic and Wild

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Without additional qualification, these terms seem a bit too broad and U.S.-centric to make good redirects to this specific topic. The ones lacking "river" in particular could refer to many different things. "National Scenic Waterways" is not a term described at target. Delete all. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:27, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete per nom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:57, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Wolfey

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Rodrigo Seiji

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Future The Voice American seasons

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Template:WikiProject AOW WildBunch

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Shitpyit (15°36′N 98°6′E)

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Shitpyit (15°36'0"N 98°6'0"E)

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Snou Strait

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الولايات المتحدة

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Howdunnit

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admittedly on the weak side of noms, but whatever. a "whodunit" is a mystery story where the mystery is the criminal. a "howcatchem" (or the longer name used in the target i guess) makes catching the very known criminal the mystery. a "howdunit" is somewhere in between, referring to how the do was did. it can overlap with any amount of whodunit and howcatchem. is death note a howdunit? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

should also mention that there's a section on howdunits in whodunnit, but it's entirely unsourced and may be erroneously treating them as synonyms cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 12:12, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Keep - Searching google shows at least one article that directly equates these as synonyms, even though if you just look at the word, it doesn't seem to be. [16] "Then there's the howdunnit, {...} These can be referred to as an inverse detective novel". I agree with cogsan that I wouldn't use this word this way, but there we go... a little scanning on social media shows that a lot of people use "howdunnit" and "howcatchem" interchangeably, which would make this the correct target. I'm not fully confident about this one though. Fieari (talk) 03:21, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    More searching reveals more sources using "howdunnit" as a synonymn for "howcatchem" or the inverted detective story... including a plethora of hits on google scholar. So I'm removing the weak portion of my !vote. This synonym should probably be explicitly added to the article as well, given how many sources pop up. Here's just one as an example: [17], but the google scholar hits go on for pages and pages of results (some of which define it in the paper, others just use the word). Fieari (talk) 23:28, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Canadaa

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Typo with extra "a" added. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 23:08, 12 November 2024 (UTC) — TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs). [reply]

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Then wouldn't it target Canada (disambiguation) ? -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 22:33, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep: unambiguous and harmless. Search results show plenty of usage of this typo "in the wild", with "Canada" consistently being the intended meaning [18], ranging from social media posts to websites. There is no reason to delete this, but the very healthy and consistent page view stats [19], WP:CHEAP, and the lack of any ambiguity point to keeping. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:39, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep It's not the unlikeliest misspelling and has consistent pageviews. I think deleting would do more harm than good, as clearly it is helping readers navigate to the right place. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 13:33, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Harmless, useful to someone (approx 50 hits a year is plenty to say this!), common and attested typo, WP:CHEAP applies, unambiguous target. I still do not understand the crusade a number of editors seem to have against typo redirects. It is written policy that common typos are to be kept… yes, unlikely typos are not good redirects, but then you get a wave of editors claiming literally every single typo is implausible despite evidence to the contrary. I just don’t get it. Fieari (talk) 23:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • keep, it's a plausib;e typo. (Yes, I actually made that in the course of writing this). JayCubby 17:30, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Breathing (noise reduction)

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Not mentioned at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 10:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I searched around a little bit and I believe these redirects are referring to literally making pumps and breathing less loud. However, the current target is about a computer science concept, and I could not find a mention in related articles. Ca talk to me! 13:54, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Kvng: Your vote was keep, meaning you wanted both redirects to keep targeting Noise reduction even without the nomination concern of the target having no mention. But you also talked about improving Pumping (audio). How is it related to the redirect discussion? Jay 💬 08:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I suggested Pumping (audio) could be improved to discuss pumping for noise reduction systems and then I neglected to suggest that both Pumping (noise reduction) and Breathing (noise reduction) could then redirect there. An alternative is to improve Noise reduction to mention pumping. My suggestions for improvements are based on my professional expertise in this area. I'm not immediately able to find sources that could support these suggested improvements. This area is underdeveloped but that doesn't mean we should delete redirects to likely search topics, WP:DEMOLISH. ~Kvng (talk) 15:21, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pale Garden

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The current redirect is the only remotely plausible one in the page history, else I would've probably deleted or draftified. But since it's not mentioned at the target, I'm not sure this works either. Thoughts? theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:55, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete as clean-up after a blocked disruptive editor. No prejudice against good-faith creation if someone actually thinks such a redirect would be beneficial (as opposed to a red link). --Paul_012 (talk) 08:19, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retarget to List_of_Minecraft_characters#Creaking, where it is mentioned. Oppose deletion per WP:NOTBURO. Ca talk to me! 13:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • That is an incredibly poor target, as it's only a passing mention that explains nothing about the term all. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:21, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The Pale Garden is a place added in the newest update of Minecraft, notable for featuring the newest monster creaking. I think the target provides information about whats the most notable about the place, which is the monster. Ca talk to me! 14:57, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • And I would have thought that the WP:NOTBURO argument would be in support of quickly deleting junk redirects resulting from pages created in bad faith instead of going through huge bureaucratic discussions to find accommodation for them. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:24, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Normally my argument would be same as your's, but since I believe the redirect should be kept, enforcing BURO would require pointlessly deletion and restoring/retargetting. Ca talk to me! 14:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough. I did say that there should be a redirect if someone thinks one would be beneficial, and since you do, I'm striking my above !vote. (Though I'm still not quite convinced that's an optimal target.) --Paul_012 (talk) 14:51, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as wikitrashing. 67.209.128.31 (talk) 04:40, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What is a "wikitrashing"? Ca talk to me! 09:39, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The practice of inserting irrelevant and unnatural nonsense junk into wikis. It is also known as "wikilittering". 67.209.128.31 (talk) 17:53, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have never heard that term before, but I'm assuming that it's a synonym for WP:CRUFT User:Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 03:22, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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WGHC (defunct)

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Carthaginian general Hasdrubal d. 207 B.C.

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Delete. We don't have redirects for each person with their year of death. Lucjim (talk) 01:23, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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List of federal lands in Alaska

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The target only includes federal lands that are part of the national park system, omitting large national forests and lands managed by the Bureau of Land Management, among others. Delete to encourage article creation. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But like the redirect target, the stub is missing national forests, BLM lands, military lands, etc.. Not opposed to creating list articles at these titles of course, but until someone wants to undertake making a comprehensive list, these should be red. Mdewman6 (talk) 21:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So fix it. BD2412 T 03:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom. The newly created list basically duplicates List of the United States National Park System official units#Alaska and related pages, is wildly incomplete since there's far more than NPS areas, and incorrectly includes sites that are affiliated but not actually federal land; this should draftified or also deleted. I don't think these should be hastily made just for the sake of it. Some states instead have a related list of protected areas that includes state lands. Reywas92Talk 04:18, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Stuybbify/Listify per BD2412 above. Reywas92 above says that this duplicates the Park System article, but the whole point of this is that while there is overlap, this isn't an identical list-- federal lands include more areas than just the parks, although it will include the parks as well. Fieari (talk) 06:52, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

December 15

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Romanian / moldovan language

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New york bozo

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IMF (file format)

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Isma'ili sect (Isma'iliyyah)

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Bilal El Aly

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WP:GUY

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WP:Fag, WP:FAG, and WP:FAGFP

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Nobody is going to use the homophobic slur fag as a shortcut to this project page, either for linking or searching.

Two of these were listed at RfD in 2013:

Arguments for keeping at the time hinged around "they're plausibly of use", but the complete lack of direct usage in the succeeding 11 years demonstrate conclusively that our editors have sufficient common sense not to use them, and visit stats show that they're not actively being used to search either.

  • WP:Fag - 11 links, of which 1 on its talk page, 1 in a programmatic list of shortcuts, and the rest are discussions about the redirect itself
  • WP:FAG - 13 links, of which 1 on the target, 3 in programmatic lists of shortcuts, and the remainder discussions about the shortcut itself
  • WP:FAGFP - 5 links, of which 1 on its talk page, 1 on the target and the remainder discussions about the shortcut itself. This was created while the WP:Fag RfD was running by one of its participants, not by anyone involved with maintaining the target page

The average daily visit count for each of these page titles during the past year is zero.

The unlikeliness of anyone ever requiring these redirects is reaffirmed by the low usage of the other shortcuts offered by the target page, which are:

  • WP:FINDAGRAVE - 29 links
  • WP:FIND-A-GRAVE - 2 links, which are the page itself and one of the aforementioned RfDs
  • WP:GRAVE - 8 links, including the the page itself, one of the aforementioned RfDs, and one person who thought they were linking to WP:GRAVEDANCING

All of these redirects also have an average daily visit count of zero.

Note: the creators of the two uppercase redirects have retired from the project, so will not be able to contribute to this discussion.  — Hex • talk 13:10, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete Sees zero usage, offensive and confusing when seen in source editing. Ca talk to me! 14:37, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per nom 2A0E:1D47:9085:D200:2820:B715:5791:DD39 (talk) 20:55, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as not useful --Lenticel (talk) 09:58, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the ones that are pretty expressly a slur, but Keep WP:FAGFP as being a legitimate initialism with only being as offensive as anything else in the Scunthorpe problem. Fieari (talk) 07:23, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    As a queer person myself, I can't disagree more strongly with your assertion that "fag" is just another rude word on a par with "cunt".  — Hex • talk 13:41, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That is not my point at all. My point is that the word I won’t even write as an example by itself is not the same word when additional letters are added. I’m not equating it with cunt, I’m equating FAGFP with any word that contains an obscenity or slur ‘’as a substring’’ of that word. Examples I might equate it with are “roofage” and “Fagin”. Just as those two words mean something else and are recognizable as something else unrelated to the slur, I think that FAGFP is easily parsed as something other than the first 3 letter substring. Fieari (talk) 23:59, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem with that theory is that roofage and Fagin are real words or names which can be pronounced, much like Scunthorpe, but "FAGFP" is a familiar syllable followed by a wall of consonants. The most likely way that someone would parse it would be "fag F P". Roofage also doesn't pose a similar problem (to humans, unlike dozy firewalls) because English speakers will correctly parse it in two chunks as roof-age. The dubious word is split between them and the "g" is pronounced differently. By contrast the initialism begins with a completely unambigous fag.
    Either way, this is needless speculation because the initialism was created by someone after some similarly speculative talk in the 2013 RfD. It's not something which is actually used or likely to be used by anyone.  — Hex • talk 17:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I will concede the point. Personally, the word with FP appended loses most or all of its sting, but while the three letter version is abhorrent to me, I don't have the word directed at me personally (I get other words!) so I would rather respect the opinion of someone for whom the word does personally hurt. I'm fine with its Deletion, especially as it doesn't get much use anyway (per above). For historical reasons only, it might be nice to pipe the very few instances of its use to this discussion. Fieari (talk) 00:17, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all but WP:FINDAGRAVE and WP:FIND-A-GRAVE, which should maybe be retargeted to Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Find a Grave, which I think is more likely to be what users outside the Wikiproject to which the current target belongs might be looking for. None of this is significant enough to warrant a three-letter redirect, especially not an offensive one. —David Eppstein (talk) 02:44, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hey, the latter three aren't actually part of this nomination. I think :GRAVE could reasonably be retargeted to :GRAVEDANCING since I did find an example of someone mistakenly using that way, so I'll nominate it separately once this has closed.  — Hex • talk 15:12, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: As closer, I would have closed this, but for fairness, just notified the target of this discussion, considering the 2013 RfD went very very long and was quite heated. Jay 💬 15:04, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That talk page has only had three posts in the last decade, but thanks for your attention to detail :)  — Hex • talk 20:10, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete all per nom. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:48, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep WP:FAGFP, there's no way to use that one as a slur. Keep WP:FAG. Since that is the natural initialism for Find a Grave, it's plausible to search with that shortcut to find content for Find a Grave. I haven't seen any evidence that this shortcut has been used as a slur, but if so that's a behavioral issue and not per se an issue with the shortcut. Perhaps consider deprecating it a-la WP:DIVA if the concern is sincere. Delete WP:Fag, that one isn't formatted as an initialism so the innocence argument is diminished. -- Tavix (talk) 20:08, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Till It's Gone (Remix Feat. Rihanna)

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Template:DisProject and Template:DisPro

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Unused WikiProject template shortcuts created in 2010 and 2021 respectively. Target has other, better shortcuts listed.  — Hex • talk 11:55, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I would be very confused where that shortcut leads me to. Ca talk to me! 14:38, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It goes to dis project, obviously. (Not to be confused with: dat project)  — Hex • talk 14:50, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is a horrible named redirect. Gonnym (talk) 16:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the IP: it isn't horrible, it just follows dis precedent set by {{dis}}. Cremastra 🎄 u — c 🎄 19:24, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:ED

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It appears that this redirect is mostly used by accident (where the author intends to link to Wikipedia:Edit warring or Wikipedia:Edit summary), and currently links to an obscure deprecated page from Wikipedia's early days. I propose deleting it, since I don't think that there is a clear best alternative target JJPMaster (she/they) 06:15, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Joe (drink)

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List of saints starting with A

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Freak-off

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Pansexual Pride Day

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Transfem

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December 13

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New Roman Empire

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Ghost town tornado

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Multivariant testing

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Term not at target; term is mentioned at Software testing tactics and A/B testing, but could seemingly refer to any of the topics at Multivariate testing (disambiguation). Not sure what's best here. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:31, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Old Roman Empire

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Castilleja chromosa

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Redirects from other languages to United States

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  1. Portuguese
  2. Japanese
  3. Russian
  4. Russian
  5. French
  6. German

All of these were recently created and I tagged several others for speedy deletion based on previous discussions that resulted in deletion, but these did not have previous discussions. Delete as redirects in a language other than English to a page whose subject is unrelated to that language (point 8 of WP:R#DELETE)/per WP:RFOREIGN. I also CSD tagged several other recently created redirects that had been deleted as the result of previous discussions, but these ones had not been explicitly discussed previously. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:13, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

delete all per nom. not in the mood to do this again. what the hell is a portuguese cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:29, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete most of them per nom and WP:RLOTE. Also @Hey man im josh I think you included ভাৰত by accident, that redirect targets to India. However, I'm not sure about Estados Unidos da América which is the Portuguese translation. We do have Estados Unidos which was kept at RfD previously as the Spanish language has an affinity with the U.S., being the second most spoken language there. We also have Estados Unidos de América which is the Spanish translation. I'm leaning towards delete since Portuguese doesn't have much of an affinity with the U.S. but just wanted to note this.
Fathoms Below (talk) 17:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Urgh, yeah, I gotta take it slower sometimes. I'm removing that one to India, thanks for pointing this out @Fathoms Below. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:00, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
hmm... would i consider a single letter in a possessive article to be a significant enough difference that it changes a redirect from a language with strong affinity to one with no affinity beyond how much people want to bang jetstream sam? absolutely cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:04, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom but keep the Spanish redirect in all cases. America speaks Spanish, right? 67.209.128.30 (talk) 03:00, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I specifically avoided nominating any Spanish redirects, none of which were recent creations I believe, unlike the entries nominated, which were all recently created. Hey man im josh (talk) 12:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
no, no, let the misconception that brazil (whatever that is) speaks spanish be spread :3 cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects. with periods following "the"

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These all seem to be quite WP:UNNATURAL typos or replacements. For the first 2, I can't find any evidence that it's a stylization or the like. mwwv converse∫edits 14:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  •   Comment: For the first 2: These are encoded format names, with spaces substituted with periods/dots/fullstops. It is an affectation of some methods for encoding spaces in URLs by some pieces of software -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:32, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The Scene is stylized as the.scene in episode intros, see Youtube S01E01. bbx (talk) 21:12, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lumber Jerks (Ren & Stimpy Show)

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Vettukathi

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Johnson (soccer)

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Calicrat

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N00b

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December 12

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Morgan & Claypool

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Cash Bartlett

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Fountin pen

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Clone character

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The: Mahabharata

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Cisidentity

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Pregnant man

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学研プラス

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Poe

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The Laws of Time Are Mine

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Ascensorium

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Inflatable Squirrel Carcass

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Positive and negative test cases

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Lymbriciform

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won't argue that it's not a plausible spelling of lumbriciform, but shouldn't it be retargeted to lumbricidae? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:40, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

should note while i'm at it that i'll create lumbriciform after this discussion is closed and if it's not closed as delete (for any reason not related to its plausibility as a tpyo) cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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"Lumbriciform" is a descriptor for a general shape (which is, well, worm-shaped) rather than a scientific classification, so targeting it to "worm" makes more sense here. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 21:32, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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DYKO

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Spore game space phase

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December 10

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Gerecter

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Thrustship

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R&B

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Criticism of Donald Trump

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Recent

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There is no evidence that a primary topic has been specified. Kolano123 (talk) 17:33, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak keep All of the incoming links appear to be using "Recent" in its geological definition (i.e., as a synonym for Holocene). I do think there is a point to be made about the geological definition not being the "primary topic," so to speak. But I'm hesitant to delete since the "primary" definition isn't getting wikilinked at the moment. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. Appears to be used for convenience in a narrow set of articles. Thsi redirect is unlikely to cause the confusion (as we are unlikely to have an article about the word itself, which would be the primary meaning). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Викидим (talk • contribs) 22:00, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lean delete, although I'm not unsympathetic to the cleanup that would require. Maybe someone could use AWB or a bot to automate the process, but I don't know if that's more trouble than it's worth. This seems to be used in a bunch of taxoboxes in a technical sense, but far more often, it's done better, with "Recent" as a piped link to Holocene instead of relying on the redirect (see e.g. Giraffe). I don't think it's appropriate to carve out a redirect for a technical sense of an everyday word to use like this. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 23:15, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • soft redirect to wikt:recent, where the holocene period is ironically not directly mentioned. would it be per nom?
and yeah, maybe use the good ol' pipe links. there's surprisingly not that many incoming links in mainspace, so it'd be easy to deal with cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Weak keep on the grounds that Presidentman and Викидим point out. Since it's unlikely there will ever be much call for an encyclopedic article about the word "recent" itself (as Wikipedia isn't a dictionary), we don't seem to be primed to have competition for this target. Hydrangeans (she/her | talk | edits) 11:47, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Disambiguate. I believe a casual searcher would be surprised to be redirected to the Holocene and would be better satisfied by an article of "things that happened recently". Contemporary history would fit that usage best in my opinion. The second entry would be to the Holocene to satisfy the geologic usage. Employ a {{Wiktionary}} box per Cogsan and include see also entries for the things that 35.139.154.158 lists in response to Ca. -- Tavix (talk) 00:01, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Amateur home page

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Mian Page

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Haifan Baháʼí Faith

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Haifan Baháʼís

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DEVS VVLT

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Ayurveda/Non-confirmed editor comments

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Goth (Silverwing)

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Nueva Hampshire

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Musha-gaeshi

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Save battery

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polypifer

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Ra'ad 1

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The more I research this redirect, the more confused I get. For starters, this redirect formerly targeted the article that is currently at Fajr-3 (artillery rocket), and did for the past six years. However, before that, this redirect targeted the article which it currently targets. However, to throw some more confusion into the mix, another similarly-titled article, Raad-1, exists. I may have figured out a better plan for what to do with this redirect by now if it were not for its incoming links; I am not clear what subject these links are meant to refer to. I'm thinking disambiguate is the way to go here, but I'm incredibly unclear what the base title should be for such a disambiguation page. Steel1943 (talk) 00:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Since this discussion isn't really getting any comments, I might as well throw my two cents in and say weak delete. Raad already exists as a disambiguation and there really isn't any suitable target for the exact title. Alternatively, retarget to Raad since that's the actual disambiguation. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:16, 19 November 2024 (UTC) WP:STRIKESOCK. -- Tavix (talk) 22:32, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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regional screwdrivers

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Ecuador scuba diving

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UTF-2000

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Delete. Non-notable subject that is not mentioned anymore in the redirect target article. See old AfD. Nidaana (talk) 15:23, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete per nom. pre-blar history had no reliable sources. if someone wants to recreate it, they can, but as is, i'm not feeling it cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:23, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I can confirm this project exists, or at least existed, but there seem to be no non-primary sources about it (at least in English) meaning it is not eligible for an article. The target destination provides no information about the subject, and is unable to do so without a secondary source. However, it would be interesting and useful information to put in the target article, as to be perfectly honest, I'd love to see a section about oppositional efforts to Han unification in the project. But... without secondary commentary, we can't really add it. The page history, stub as it was, does has useful content if a secondary source could be found, and I'm loathe to delete it as an eternal optimist. All in all though, deletion is pretty permanent-- I'd rather leave it as a BLAR, simply hoping that a secondary source could be found somewhere, perhaps on the Japanese side of the web (my Japanese is only intermediate, I don't think I'm good enough to find it). The problem with leaving it as a redirect though, is that... again, we have no information on the subject. I wish there was some way to preserve the history without maintaining the redirect. A frustrating situation. Fieari (talk) 06:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    how about userifying? cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Userify old content per @Cogsan, and redirect target to the userified page Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 06:01, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i disagree with the xnr part cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 11:09, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sarcenet

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Wikipedia:LTS

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Dionian(ism)

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More "solider" redirects

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List of saints (disambiguation)

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Pekka Soini

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Cowboy Luttrell

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No mention of "Cowboy" or "Luttrell" at the target article. Not a helpful redirect if we have no content on this supposed individual wrestler at the target article for the NWA. Utopes (talk / cont) 21:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jill Martin (herpetologist)

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Spicier

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Wang Qingyun

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December 9

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Denetric Malope

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Turbo

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Lisina

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Frank Mrvan

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Hatnote

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Delete, crossnamespace redirect from (article) to project page. It appears that the word "hatnote" was invented specifically for Wikipedia, there are no other stuff with that word and the internet underlined that word as a misspelling. Cyber the tiger (talk) 14:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete WP:XNR redirect into the pipeworking. Non-readership content. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:15, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per... well... nom. Indeed the word "hatnote" was invented specifically for Wikipedia and there are no other stuff with that word. Since I find it likely that new editors will wonder what the uses of them are, there isn't an encyclopedic target we have for this, and this redirect is unambiguous, I'm sure it's fine. mwwv converse∫edits 16:19, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    A reader will never encounter the word hatnote normally, they will just see hatnotes, without knowing what Wikipedia calls the internally. Just as any part of the internals of Wikipedia are not usually known by the readership, nor need to be known by the readership. If they wantt to find out, then they will probably be part of the contributor editorship, which is not what redirects in articlespace are for. WP:HATNOTE already exists for us, the editorship. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 16:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Fair enough. However, I do feel pageviews should be taken into account here, given that it's averaging around 2 per day. Whether it's bored experienced editors, the readers/newbies being curious, or from the multiple pages it's linked to is beyond me, but the redirect is clearly seeing some use (would also like to note that this is linked in Hat (disambiguation), which has had 206 views in the past 30 days). I must also note that this XNR has been around since 2008. mwwv converse∫edits 22:38, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, helpful, apparently unambiguous. —Kusma (talk) 17:47, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • This was RfDed 3 times before, most recently at Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2023_September_17#Hatnote. I supported deletion in the last two of those, and nothing I've seen since has changed my position, so delete * Pppery * it has begun... 18:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Listen to Wikipedia with hatnote is unironically the best solution here in my opinion. Listen to Wikipedia is not at all an obscure article, receiving 500 pageviews a month, so the reader looking for that with this search term is plausible. An injoke-y hatnote about hatnotes is more acceptable when, as previously identified, LtW is firmly inside the wikirealm. Second choice disambiguate. And bundle in Hat note and Hatnotes on the relist, please. J947 ‡ edits 00:42, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Suggested target no longer mentions it, as I've removed it as unsourced (not just unsourced, but none of the sources actually refer to it with this name). 35.139.154.158 (talk) 07:56, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks. It's certainly not 100% unambiguous, but with that clarification it's near enough, so keep (with the current hatnotes to headnote and hat notation). J947 ‡ edits 00:27, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Soft redirect to wikt:hatnote. Reader-focused target most related to what previous discussions considered the primary use. This has been brought to discussion several times now and a salty soft-redirect may also be warranted as a cost-saving measure. Editors should know to use namespaces (like WP:, HELP:, etc.) for linking or searches. Second preference is retargeting to Listen to Wikipedia per above and previous talks. ― Synpath 02:55, 10 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. No reason to delete 100% unambiguous XNRs. Mach61 00:24, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - My history will show I usually strongly dislike WP:XNRs, but this one really is completely unambiguously not associated with anything but us, and so our internal pages actually provide the same kind of information that someone would be looking for in mainspace in this case. So I think this is a valid exception to the general rule. Fieari (talk) 03:37, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Useful and unambiguous. I'm not seeing any strong reasons for deleting this redirect. CycloneYoris talk! 09:06, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per mwwv, J947 and Fieari. Disagree that this Wikipedia term is non-readership content. Search for this term in article namespace and you will find several hits, mainly category Articles with hatnote templates targeting a nonexistent page, category Articles with redirect hatnotes impacted by RfD. Readers use the search functionality and could encounter meta terms such as these. Readers could stumble upon articles that are nominated for deletion, such as Droideka (disambiguation), where the rationale for WP:ONEOTHER mentions "hatnote", although fair to say it is the PRODder's (editor not reader) jargon which is exposed to the reader. Jay 💬 17:06, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dating style

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Camera (conventional)

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Camera make

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Wikiedia

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Main Pag

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Mackenziidae

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Wikiemdia

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Implausible typo Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 11:28, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cite AV media

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Longest Wikipedia Article

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Trump nominations for independent agencies

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Template:Puffery inline

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Moseley tea service

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Syrian Republic (1946–1963) (disambiguation)

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There's vomit on his sweater already

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I'm not ableist, I have autistic friends

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Trump the sequel

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Primal Carnage: Evolution

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YV (rapper)

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"james s Welch jr"

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National parks and monuments

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Scenic and Wild

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Carthaginian general Hasdrubal d. 207 B.C.

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List of federal lands in Alaska

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December 7

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2025 ACC Championship Game

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2025 Mountain West Conference Football Championship Game

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2025 Abu Dhabi T10

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April 31

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The only reasoning for this appears to be "Java (specifically the java.util.Calendar class) allows dates such as February 0 (= January 31) and April 31 (= March 1)." The problem is that that particular class in Java seems to accept any integer for the date. I tested "April 366" which showed up as March 31 of the next year. The internet does say that there is a reference to "April 31" in the The Long Walk by Stephen King, but it is purposely supposed to be a fictional date, even within that universe. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 06:47, 28 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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It seems the current target page talk wasn't notified. Web-julio (talk) 01:43, 16 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nightb***h (film)

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Nightb***h

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Female youtuber

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BlueSky

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List of canonizations

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List of canonized saints

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Barotrauma and Wind turbines

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Fado (character)

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State of Palestine'

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"Israel"

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三州府

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Legends Drum and Bugle Corps

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Buxamina

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Entomb

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Greg peg

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Uncomfiness

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Hallelujah night

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Wading bird(s)

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December 6

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some regional honeys

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2026 ARCA Menards Series West

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2026 ARCA Menards Series East

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Bengals

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ROOT!

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Root!

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Pterotype

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Ella, maldita alma (Tv Series)

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Orduspor 1967

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Great appendage

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Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas characters

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Hawaiian style

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was about to retarget to hawaiian pizza, but i realized that there are at least two other things that can be considered "hawaiian style". maybe even more! also see the history. it's not important to this discussion, but it is really funny cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 14:16, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep as redirect to pizza, although redirecting to Hawaiian pizza is worth a thought (the only difference is the pineapple, which I don't think is considered Canadian as much as a universal ingredient). It's lucky that at least two fruits, pineapples and tomatoes, go well on pizzas (are any other fruits commonly used as a pizza topping?). As for your alternates, don't try it on a surfboard. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:46, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    i was actually thinking of acoustic guitars and shaved ice, two things widely known for being closely related[citation needed] cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
see also hawaii-style pizza and hawaiian-style pizza, which do redirect to hawaiian pizza, but make sure to specify that it's about pizza cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 15:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Disambig as multiple topics of prominence: "uh-huhuhehuhuhuhg, yeah, Beavis, we'll take it Hawaiian style, ugh-huhuhughuhug." On another note, after I get done with the page I've G-nom'd, I think I've got a new article idea... BarntToust 21:51, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguate between Hawaiian pizza, aloha shirt / hawaiian-style shirt, Hawaiian cuisine, the inevitable BABH reference just in case and probably some others I'm missing as well Someone-123-321 (I contribute, Talk page so SineBot will shut up) 09:11, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
problem: hawaiian pizza still has nothing to do with hawaii or styles cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:44, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hawaiian pizza is regularly and commonly called Hawaiian style pizza., even though (as I was shocked to learn) it is Canadian in origin. Fieari (talk) 23:12, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chowda

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Tom Yum Goong

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Tom-yum-goong

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Flammeo

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Nazi persecution of Jews

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TikTok Rizz Party

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Quandale Dingle

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The Sandbox (2021 video game)

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Trump John, Donald

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December 4

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GABAAL

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No evidence that these initalisms are in use for these compounds; WP should not be creating these on our own. Mdewman6 (talk) 00:39, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But I don't think they should be mentioned at their targets- WP should not be fabricating abbreviations that are not in use in reliable sources. If not mentioned at target, then these redirects are inappropriate. Mdewman6 (talk) 22:23, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, which is why my Keep is conditional. Jay 💬 09:34, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
My usual approach is to decide on the validity of alternative names/abbreviations at Rfd, and if deleted, then remove mentions from the article based on that consensus, but I see how the opposite order could make sense. I have removed these abbreviations from the articles; their merit can be decided via WP:BRD. Unless they are restored, these redirects should be deleted until and if there is consensus for recreating them. Mdewman6 (talk) 02:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
GHBAL is linked from GABA analogue and mentioned in some 200 articles. Jay 💬 10:37, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mentions of GHBAL are largely due to the 185 transclusions of {{GABA receptor modulators}} ― Synpath 21:11, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Do you want to remove it from {{GABA receptor modulators}} as a fabricated abbreviation? Jay 💬 08:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No, it exists in the template as a piped link to γ-Hydroxybutaldehyde. Shortening to GHBAL for the purposes of a compact template seems fair to me (though many other compounds that could use short-forms don't, but that's just inconsistent styling and not a real issue). I mentioned that stat as I made the assumption after reading your comment that for GHBAL to appear almost 200 times in Wikipedia meant that the acronym form of γ-Hydroxybutaldehyde was common and a redirect is justified. After checking I found it appeared mostly in template transclusions, I assume to save space.
I miscounted by including non-mainspace transclusions by the way, so in mainspace: 176 transclusions of {{GABA receptor modulators}}, 25 transclusions of {{GHB receptor modulators}} (12 overlapping) and 3 mentions outside of templates. ― Synpath 16:57, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since piping for the sake of compactness is acceptable, I'm wondering if tagging with {{R from incorrect abbreviation}} will be fine, since we don't have an rcat for incorrect acronyms or initialisms. It eventually targets to {{R from incorrect name}} anyway. Jay 💬 17:18, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The acronym/abbreviation is correct, it's more that I don't think we need to create redirects for any conceivable abbreviation that isn't already in common use as an abbreviation, like the related GABA or the unrelated NATO. As an example, I would regard GHBA as an equally valid and understandable abbreviation for γ-Hydroxybutaldehyde that doesn't clash with related compounds (γ-Hydroxybutyric acid is abbreviated as GHB). There is no standard abbreviation for the aldehyde and choosing one out of many is arbitrary. ― Synpath 19:46, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Struck my vote. Delete 1, 2 and 3. Still on the fence on 4 because "choosing one out of many" will not be arbitrary here because of the large number of transclusions, and it is only a matter of time before someone realizes the piping and wonders why this is not a redirect. And we may have to go over the same explanations until it is salted. Jay 💬 03:56, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FitMC

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2025 Global T20 Canada

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Something Something for the Advancement of White People

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HammerHead (company)

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Future season redirects not mentioned at targets

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Dick Tantrum

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2026 SA20

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2026 Bangladesh Premier League

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Damehar, Himachal Pradesh

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National Kabaddi Association

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O'Doyle Rules

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The Scream (Greek TV miniseries)

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Adimo

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This name isn't mentioned in the current revision of the target article. Page history shows that it used to mention Adimo when the Adimo article was moved to its current title on February 19, 2014. In order for this redirect to be helpful, Adimo must be mentioned somewhere in the target article again. – MrPersonHumanGuy (talk) 17:45, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I've reinserted "Adimo is the first human, and Heva the first woman, in a creation story." Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 07:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have tagged it with {{citation needed}}. Jay 💬 10:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

⚭/equaric unicodes

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2024 AP Poll

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Seems ambigous but I'm not totally sure what would be a better target. Could refer to 2024–25 NCAA Division I men's basketball rankings, 2023–24 NCAA Division I men's basketball rankings, 2023–24 NCAA Division I women's basketball rankings, 2024–25 NCAA Division I women's basketball rankings. But college football is the only one that only uses 2024. Esolo5002 (talk) 04:23, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Athletic Field (Seattle)

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Ambiguous title which does not have any mention at the target. Hey man im josh (talk) 00:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There was a previous athletic field at the site variously called Athletic Park (Seattle), Athletic Field (Seattle), YMCA Park, Y.M.C.A. Park, etc.
The original reliable, secondary sources surely exist for these names in the back issues of the original newspapers. I have not yet had a chance to expand the article.
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Gamma-Aminobutanol

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Bandahara

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(Procedural nomination on behalf of Ariankntl Mdewman6 (talk) 03:15, 4 December 2024 (UTC)). I propose that the redirect Bandahara be deleted or replaced, as the current redirect to Bendahara is inappropriate. "Bandahara" refers to a specific geographical feature, Mount Bandahara in Indonesia, while the title of Bendahara in the context of traditional Malay government is generally no longer used in modern government structures. The two are entirely unrelated, and this redirect may confuse readers seeking information about the mountain.[reply]

I suggest deleting the redirect and allowing Bandahara to become an independent article about the mountain. Thank you for your attention. Ariankntl (talk) 02:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Probably oppose, alternative suggestion - does this re-direct fall under the Reasons for not deleting 2,3 and 6? Would the better alternative not be a disambiguation page? - Master Of Ninja (talk) 16:06, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirecting "Bandahara" to "Bendahara" is inappropriate because the term "Bandahara" is more relevant when associated with Mount Bandahara. A better solution would be to direct "Bandahara" to an article about the mountain. This ensures that the information provided is more accurate and meets the user's search expectations. Ariankntl (talk) 01:44, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
How do you prove that it is more relevant? I think in the grand scale of things very few people will go and look for either article. I generally would not care about this topic, but someone posted it on my talk page. I note that I created "Bandahara" in 2014, and the "Mount Bandahara" article was created this month - I think this probably points to how important these articles looking at the greater picture - I don't think the generic user is looking for either of these. I think my points under reasons for deleting still stand. However, a disambiguation page might be better for the user to point to the correct article. - Master Of Ninja (talk) 10:14, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank Goodness

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X.

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Child suicide bomber

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November 28

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Musha-gaeshi

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Zubon

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3.1415926535…

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The Communiqué

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Taiyu

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Fork Knife

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Forkknife

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Likely originated as a joke redirect, but unclear target as is (fork or knife?). Recommending deletion, as it does not benefit Wikipedia. TNstingray (talk) 15:35, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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019

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Heavy vehicle

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Camión

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Lymbriciform

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antiwhatever, helminth

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Worms, animals

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Bo Hagon

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Talk:FC Porto-Sporting CP rivalry

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FC Porto-Sporting CP rivalry

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F.C Porto and Sporting C.P. rivalry

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Specialization in bees

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floor sugar

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Fireworks (TV Series)

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Maha Abdelrahman

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BreakThrough News

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Stephen Hume

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November 27

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Clarissa: Or the History of A Young

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The History of a Young Girl

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National Kabaddi Association

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Personal weapon

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Mex-Mex

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Oberon in fiction

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Sunny country

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September 2017 bridge incident

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⚭/equaric unicodes

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Cilla Single

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Can't find where Ben Frank ever used this as a pseudonym. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC) — TeapotsOfDoom (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Okmrman (talk · contribs). [reply]

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  • Comment surprisingly (to me) this seems to be attested despite very limited online hits: Franklin, Benjamin; Smyth, Albert H. (1905). The writings of Benjamin Franklin. New York, London: Macmillan Co.; Macmillan & Co. OCLC 1158474884. Retrieved 2024-11-28. (on page 186). I'm very unsure how someone would end up searching for this term without knowing it was a pseudonym of Franklin's however.
  • This may be added to the target at the "Success as an author" section where it says He frequently wrote under pseudonyms. If we have 3 or 4 names, Cilla Single can be mentioned alongwith them. Jay 💬 06:21, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Franklin (swim coach)

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2024 AP Poll

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Unmentioned Pikmin 2 caves

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DuPage 3

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Group of neighborhoods previously WP:BLARd no longer mentioned in target article. Delete unless it is mentioned somewhere else. -1ctinus📝🗨 00:10, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Note that the merge didn't stick, it was revered by the same editor "per cn tag". -- Tavix (talk) 23:13, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank Goodness

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Athletic Field (Seattle)

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November 24

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Next Singaporean presidential election

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Atlantoöccipital articulations

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Ap (ghost)

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Big Bank Black

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The Scream (Greek TV miniseries)

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Under-16 and Under-17 teams

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2026 NFL team redirects

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Recent

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Template:NWHL profile

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King Edwards

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AR-M100390

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Bus Testing and Research Center

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Template:Puffery inline

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Illustrative aid

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Field hockey at the 2028 Summer Olympics – Women's tournament

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Algeria national under-16 and under-17 basketball team

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Adult Swim (Latin American TV channel).

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2024–25 Pilipinas Super League season

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Marie Stopes Myanmar

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Taxi to Heaven

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Ultrajectine Communion

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Mate tea (drink)

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2025 Dutch general election

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Kikurage

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MOS:JEW

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A Night

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Male protagonist bingo

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RubRub

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Shen an calhar

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How did this end up redirecting to WoW? Apparently, this somehow got redirected to the wrong franchise. Slight research shows that it's supposed to be from Wheel of Time. That being said, there doesn't seem to be a mention on that on there either. It appears that "The Band of the Red Hand" is a more common name for that in-universe group that the articles do mention. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 21:09, 2 November 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE -- Tavix (talk) 22:36, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of The Wheel of Time characters#Mat Cauthon, as that's also what Band of the Red Hand redirects to. Procyon117 (talk) 14:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, upon further inspection, turns out it did originally redirect to the correct franchise, but was changed for an unknown reason. Could probably just be reverted back if you're not opposed to doing so. Procyon117 (talk) 14:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Flag of North Yemen

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ハンマーブロス

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PKS 1402-012

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Ro (antigen)

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Indy HeroClix (heroclix)

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Chingisid

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Kentuchy

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凧

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Lu Tianna

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It's unclear why this redirects here. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:18, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Weak delete This site and other, seemingly less reliable, sources indicate that "Lu Tianna" is a Chinese-language name adopted by or used to refer to Gillibrand. There is precedent to keep these sorts of names, as seen in Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2024 July 31#Foreign language redirects to Kamala Harris. But, unlike Harris's Chinese names, I don't find evidence of widespread use. I am willing to reconsider if evidence that this is indeed commonly used by Chinese speakers to refer to Gillibrand exists. Note that Lu Tian Na, which is used here by the New York Times, exists as well. I am not a Chinese speaker so cannot say if the number of words makes a difference. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 20:46, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment if this is treated like a Chinese name, then the variant spellings available from "Lu Tianna" would be "Lu Tian-na", "Lu Tian-Na", "Lu Tian Na" -- and the flipped forms "Tianna Lu", "Tian-na Lu", "Tian Na Lu" -- NYT uses one of the styles you can do with the syllables. In the PRC, the preferred form would have a single "word" to represent a name, so "Lu Tianna" if Lu is the surname and Tianna is the given name. This isn't the preferred style used in Hong Kong or Taiwan though. That is dependent and independent on romanization method, as some people style their names differently from the romanization method's preferred form. -- 65.92.246.77 (talk) 15:34, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep. Her Chinese name is known by the Chinese-language world, used by Chinese-language media. I can search a bunch of news article if I search on Google by her Chinese name "陸天娜" [22][23][24]. The name Lu Tianna (陆天娜; 陸天娜) is used by herself, pretty irrelevant to her English name. Lu Tianna, Lu Tian Na, Lu Tian-Na, Lu Tian-na are essentially the same, just with or without space or hyphen. It is just the difference of transliteration, all of them are used to some degree (and actually "Lu Tianna" is the most conventional transliteration). However, the transliteration is not a conventional way to refer to her, not in Chinese media or English media. This makes me doubt but I am still leaning that it is more useful than harmful. Sun8908 Talk 14:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Not mentioned at target. If you have to do this level of OR to justify a redirect, then just don't. * Pppery * it has begun... 05:32, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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FC Türkiye II

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Enteractive

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September 31

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List of Chalcolithic cultures of China

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No such list of Chalcolithic cultures exists at the target. This does not appear to be a subject that is discussed on Wikipedia at this time. Previously existed as a list with one entry.

This title may be able to be salvaged if the list of Neolithic cultures is expanded to include Chalcolithic cultures. However, searching for an article about a "Copper Age list" and being sent to an article about a "Stone Age list" does not seem generally helpful in a vacuum, and would be confusing to readers if there is no indication or hatnote about why they ended up here (that there may not have been enough content to substantiate an individual page for Chalcolithic). Utopes (talk / cont) 00:05, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Karhusaari (island)

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Matsubara dialect

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Nueva Hampshire

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Turkish Turkish

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Putting wedge

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Tata (Persian King)

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Harapanahalli railway station

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Linjian

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サイゴン

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Mongola

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History of the United States (2008–2024)

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Vendamonia

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Californian city redirects

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Jamie Boo Birse

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Google Currents (2011–present)

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Kingite

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Fay Spaniel

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Lanyard class

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Great Depression in the Middle East

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Asmodel

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GGKEY

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Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam

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Ted, Ned and Ed

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Joseph Stalin's death conspiracy Theories

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Cite AV media

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Five Finger Discount (That's So Raven episode)

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Raleway

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So hell

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Arthur J. May

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November 21

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Hent

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Just one more thing

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Clock/calendar

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xy? while a lot of clocks are also calendars these days, they're not inherently the same thing, and their relation or lack thereof isn't discussed in the target cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 18:07, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:XY. Calendars aren't clocks. TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 18:16, 14 November 2024 (UTC) WP:STRIKESOCK. -- Tavix (talk) 22:46, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Deleteish. I think XY is more important here. My gut tells me that this was intended to refer to clocks that have calendars built in, and that the off chance that someone looks for this (especially unlikely given the slash), they're probably looking for that. There's also a deleted Clock calendar page (as OR, via a prod), which might back that up. There's also Calendar Clock Face, but that's kind of a stretch. And there's stuff like Prague astronomical clock, an actual clock that even has a section devoted to a calendar mechanism that it contains. In all, I just don't think there's a good target here, especially given the odd formatting with the slash. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What do you mean by I think XY is more important here? WP:XY supports retargeting, not deletion. Also, that Clock calendar was deleted doesn't back anything up. Someone had posted File:Clock calendar.jpg along with their personal explanation of what it means. That abolutely should have been deleted, but it has no bearing on the redirect at hand. -- Tavix (talk) 16:45, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Yeah, I was a little unclear...by "more important", I mean that I think it's a case of XY without a good retargeting option. That's a fair point about the old deleted article given that image upload. But that gut feeling I was talking about is also backed up by a simple web search, which comes up with endless clocks that have calendar functions built in (which is probably most digital ones at this point). Even if both are technically mentioned where you propose, it's a bit of a stretch that it's actually going to be a helpful target. It's hard to imagine that anyone doesn't know what these everyday items are, and even if they don't, it's also unlikely that they're going to search for them together...with a slash in the middle...unless they're looking for something more specific, like some combination device, which isn't mentioned there. 35.139.154.158 (talk) 16:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    What I'm getting at is: if you're reading the redirect to mean "something that has the functionality of both a clock and a calendar", that's one thing...but your rationale for deletion then is not WP:XY. WP:XY is explicitly for the intersection of two topics. When there is a target that discusses both topics, which we have in this case, WP:XY says to retarget there. While I disagree with them, arguments such as with "Delete per the formatting" or "Delete because BigTechCo makes a notable gadget with this name", etc. don't have that problem -- Tavix (talk) 19:02, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:XY. Clocks are devices which measure and read out time; calendars are systems of subdividing and numerating an entire year. Some clocks also read out the date but that does not make them calendars. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    ...and all of that is explained at Time#Measurement. -- Tavix (talk) 16:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Retarget to Time#Measurement per Tavix. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:02, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Google search results for this and "clock calendar" give gadgets that give both the day and the time. Apparantly this is one of the names such things go by. I'm lead to support deletion, but not per WP:XY. XY, per Tavix, does not apply; what we have here is a gadget that is not discussed in our encyclopedia. Cremastra ‹ u — c › 21:32, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or refine to Clock#Astronomical. There aren't many people on planet Earth who wake up one day and decide they really want to know the difference between a clock and a calendar, bring up Wikipedia, and are satisfied with such an insightful sentence as In day-to-day life, the clock is consulted for periods less than a day, whereas the calendar is consulted for periods longer than a day. I refuse to believe that that number is anything other than minimal when compared with people who desire information about combined clock/calendars, especially given the usage of the slash. For combined clock/calendars, deletion shows a few good options in the search results, or alternatively Clock#Astronomical has some information (which was presumably the original rationale for this redirect). J947 ‡ edits 00:47, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Cremastra and J947. Oppose retargeting to Time#Measurement per J947. I don't see use in trying to salvage this poor unclear redirect term having a slash. Jay 💬 18:13, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:HEAVY

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Black Mesa Golem Ape

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The Crumbles (illness)

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Wario 4

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Chimneybot hat

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Zubon

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Richard Doty

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Furry Shadaya

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Furry Happy Monsters

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Forkknife

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Fork Knife

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Henry the Hermit

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Alex Shrub

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unmentioned suikoden characters (episode 1: a-h)

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re-nominating those after this discussion closed as "if only we knew the suffering that would befall us next", but only by a small chunk at a time. same rationale applies cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:44, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

should note that between then and now, mentions for some characters have been added. from an extremely cursory glance, georg is now mentioned in his target, and... that's it for this list, really. still not entirely sure that would warrant a redirect cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:48, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Humphrey Mintz too has mention. Jay 💬 16:56, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
nice-a cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 16:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Moseley tea service

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Kattie

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Musha-gaeshi

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Foot taboo

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Ellen feiss

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Paul Feiss

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Adult contemporary progressive death metal

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FC8671

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2.4-dihydroxybenzoic acid

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Sontochin

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SN-7619

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Template:Use Myanmar English

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Criticism of Donald Trump

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Baby gaetz

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Zhuhui Stadium

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November 17

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List of Neverwinter Nights characters

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Previous AfDs for this article:

There is no such "list of characters" at the target article. The only character that is EVER mentioned at the target, is the unnamed "player character", and one mention of a "King of Shadows" in passing. Was created as a result of the Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Neverwinter Nights characters AfD. Nevertheless, this is not a helpful redirect in its current form. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:52, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep and restore the content underneath (deleted edits from prior to 2016) so that a proper character list can be created at the target article. 2016 is the bad old days when non-notable stuff was deleted before redirection, even though ATD policy was still the same, we didn't always do it right. Also, naming convention is pretty standard--if you're cleaning up problematic/confusing redirects, this ain't one of them. Jclemens (talk) 07:16, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Agreeing with Clemens somewhat. While the list itself is very unlikely to ever be revived, it serves as a record and and helps link to the AfD discussion that took place, which also has a list of potential sources.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 07:23, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'll reproduce here what I wrote on my talk page: The consensus at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Neverwinter Nights characters was to delete and redirect, not only to redirect. Undeleting the deleted content would be contrary to the AfD outcome. It would need overturning the AfD closure, which would need to be done at DRV, not here. What's more, I can't even find deleted content to undelete. The deletion log indicates some sort of technical issue in 2016. Sandstein 07:29, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep I think this should be kept: a) For historical reasons. b) It's just the next best thing we have. There are hits, an people are redirected there, showing what little we have and that we don't have a separate article. c) That's where new content would be added. And there is such content! I can't say if there's enough to establish notability and could change the outcome in a deletion review, but there's more than during the time of the deletion discussion. Examples would be his Kotaku article or this book, p. 20-21. I'd like to add such commentary, but I have too much on my plate already. Daranios (talk) 08:14, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and restore the content under the redirect, as per Jclemens; the contents of the old list are now at User:Jclemens/List of Neverwinter Nights characters so they can be moved back to article space. A short list can be merged into the main article until it can be spun back out again. BOZ (talk) 12:48, 30 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    It's not clear to me how this got to my userspace. 2016 was after I'd was no longer an admin. Did I request restoration in the past and then forgot about it, or did someone just do this? Jclemens (talk) 00:01, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You may have asked me to do that as I was still an admin at that time. BOZ (talk) 23:21, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as an old redirect with history, and I honestly believe said history should be restored if possible, even if only to the history of this redirect. Fieari (talk) 05:35, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This redirect is not old (2016 from a recent-ish AfD), and does not contain any valuable history. This RfD turnout is quite surprising all within a few minutes tbh. There is still NO characters at the target article, so the redirect is still misleading and this has not been remedied. All the history is in userspace which can be reinstated when it is ready. Does not need a misleading "list" redirect in the meantime. Sources can be copied to the Neverwinter Nights talk page, or grabbed from the AfD directly. We don't do redirects for the "next best thing we have", when we actually have nothing. The only thing that needed to be true for this redirect was to have "characters listed", and Neverwinter Nights does not even manage this in its current state. Articles don't need to exist as a redirect just to indicate where content "should" be added. In fact the opposite is true per WP:REDYES. There is no such content on Wikipedia for this topic at this moment. The only possibility would be to delete List of Neverwinter Nights characters (the replacement created by Sandstein), and move in the material from User:Jclemens/List of Neverwinter Nights characters to the same title, if consensus indicates material should be held here. Utopes (talk / cont) 09:55, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    8 years is not old? I understand it's not from the 200x's, but 8 years is still a pretty long time... Fieari (talk) 23:11, 5 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - per nom., there is no list. The redirect is somewhat misleading and not helpful. Neverwinter Nights is the obvious search term, and if someone did, for some reason, search on this full name they would be better served with this list of results [25] rather than being jumped to a page that has no list. A case of a redirect actually making things worse. Old content is userfied and can be developed, so that consideration is moot. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
delete, if without prejudice to recreating if usable sources are found. list not present. i think misleading readers would do more harm than losing track of an afd thread in a mainspace page's edit history. even then, deletion would most likely link people attempting to recreate it to this discussion, which in turn links to that discussion, so... cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 13:24, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Since when do redirects need sources? Jclemens (talk) 23:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I presume it refers to sources at the target article, to substantiate a mention of multiple characters and allow readers to receive sourced content, when it is specified in the search bar (via this redirect) that the reader SPECIFICALLY wants a "list of characters", one that we don't have anywhere in mainspace, nor any sources for. Redirects do need to be "reliably sourceable", because all material in mainspace must be verifiable, and redirects are material, and redirects are in mainspace. Utopes (talk / cont) 00:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
We should indeed have a list of characters at the target, but the content is already available even if not in that page currently. No, redirects don't need to be reliably sourced, per WP:RPURPOSE. Jclemens (talk) 07:10, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:RPURPOSE is a guideline; WP:V is policy. Redirects too must be verifiable. Alternate spellings can be verified by WP:COMMONSENSE. What reason-for-maintaining bullet point does this redirect (a redirect indicating a "list of characters") meet on WP:RPURPOSE? Utopes (talk / cont) 07:24, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, since COMMONSENSE can satisfy V, then, V's not really an issue, is it? Jclemens (talk) 00:52, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a patently wrong misreading of that policy. It is claims that must be verifiable. Redirects are not claims. J947 ‡ edits 00:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i said i'd have no prejudice against recreation if sources could be found cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 10:49, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but that doesn't explain why deleting a redirect to a notable work of fiction would be influenced in any way by sourcing--presumably, non-primary sourcing--for a set of elements that meet WP:CSC clause 2. Jclemens (talk) 20:38, 2 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are secondary sources out there which would allow to include some commentary on characters as a group and individually into the target, but which have not yet been employed. Like [26] or [27]. Or, from a very different angle, an analytical comment on player characters on Dungeons, Dragons, and Digital Denizens, p. 20-21. Daranios (talk) 11:15, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have now included a rudimentary listing of characters in the Reception section, with potential for expansion based on said secondary sources, which I hope solves the gravest misgivings of Utopes and cogsan. Based on this I'd argue for the inclusion of the old, userfied page into the history of the redirect, as it could be used as a basis to search for more secondary sources, if someone should desire to do so. Daranios (talk) 16:19, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, charlotte 👸♥ 20:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i don't think some examples in the reception section would count as enough to warrant a list redirect, so i guess my vote stays for the moment, with equally little prejudice against recreation cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 23:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cogsan: So what in your view is still lacking for such a redirect to be justified? Number of characters? Description/commentary? Presentation in bulletpoint form or some such? Daranios (talk) 14:17, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
what i think is missing is a list. "list of knives" probably shouldn't link to an article that only mentions santoku and bread knives, as an example. also as an example, characters of deltarune and that other game doesn't mention every character (where's lemon bread?), but it does have a good handful
so yeah, "number of characters" is the closest to my answer among the options provided, and if reliable sources only seem to cover three of them in any level of detail, i'd say press the big ol' return to red button cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 17:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Cogsan: Thanks. WP:RETURNTORED starts with "If the redirect could plausibly be expanded into an article". It might, but though it pains me to say, the last AfD dedided that it did not have the potential to be expandied into its own article then. So do you still not like the redirect even though to my knowledge there is no other article which would cover even the four/five characters we have at the target now? Or to look at it from the other direction, what would be the number for characters you would see as the minimum for an embedded list to not want to delete our redirect? Daranios (talk) 09:17, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly is the problem here? Red link or redirect, if you can disprove the old AfD by finding sources that allow a new list article to be written, then you can just do that! Retaining this redirect doesn't help. The redirect does not have the old article history, so that argument for keeping it is moot. The old article history is available and userfied, so you have that. You are arguing like this is AfD but the only consideration is whether this is a useful redirect. On that score, it clearly isn't. There are at least nine articles that show up in search if you look for Neverwinter Nights [28]. Now if someone is looking for a list of Neverwinter nights characters, the redirect chooses to send them to one of these pages and ignore the others. The reader is taken to a page that does not list the characters, and does not meet their information requirement. If anyone were actually interested in all of the characters, they are better off seeing all nine articles listed, which will give them a fuller picture, rather than being taken to a page that does not answer their information requirement but pretends to. I just do not see what the benefit is of retaining a redirect that has no history and no utility. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
wouldn't the fact that it was deemed that there weren't enough sources for an article then, and that that's still the case now, be more reason to delete?
i have some level of hope that it might be possible to create that list someday, i just know that that's not today cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 19:28, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I am not sure if I could disprove the AfD in the form of establishing this as a notable topic, and I don't currently have the time (or rather priority based on many other open to-do ideas) to make sure one way or another. And that is not the issue. (I'd be for restoring the userfied history as I said. But the history I was originally referring to was the link to the deletion discussion in the talk page.) I am pretty sure that I could create an embedded list, and for that it would be useful to know opinions how (big) such a list should look to make sense. Just as one project utilizing secondary sources on this topic which have not been (fully) used yet. On the other hand, the AfD did establish this redirect, so redirect, if you can disprove the old AfD does not make sense to me. Rather, deleting the redirect would mean overturning the AfD result. But I guess that's within the prerogative of RfD. Looking at the other hits again I am no longer completely sure if it is best to guide the reader to Neverwinter Nights at this point. We do have five characters there currently, and overall commentary, and it fits better to the redirect title. But other hits do have several characters embedded, too. So withdrawing my keep !vote for the time being, but I am still interested in cogsan's answer to my question above. Daranios (talk) 19:34, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
this is on a case-by-case basis, so the best way to put it is
  • general franchises: at least most of the major cast being notable, with some wiggle room for a handful of more important/popular yet not very notable ones
  • general franchises that are really long: if they're not known for more than one character, just go for articles for the few notable ones. otherwise, same criteria seem to apply
  • novels and other such character-heavy franchises (which nn seems to be): there's usually no plan b for if not enough of them are notable for a list, so to quote a wise scorpion, "lol. lmao."
  • pokémon: the best way to describe the situation with pokémon and its (human) characters, and how rules related to notability are treated in its context, is doing multiple backflips in a row to distract people from the question while professor elm keeps his entry
it's a complicated case, but it seems neverwinter nights just plain doesn't have enough notable characters in the first place, "major" or not
and granted, this is for if such a list exists in the first place, and since the answer to that in this case is "not anymore lol", it's really just a matter of deleting and hoping the case changes sometime before the sun goes boom cogsan (nag me) (stalk me) 20:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also, pinging Mark viking, who had suggested the redirect back at the AfD. Daranios (talk) 19:40, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It was the AfD which made this a redirect in the first place. Daranios (talk) 10:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TeapotsOfDoom (talk) 00:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment - it appears no one wants to close this as it can't be relisted, and has 4 keeps and 4 deletes. I !voted so can't close it, but I would point out that the keep !votes were all obtained in the first 24 hours or so of listing, and that all delete !votes (other than the nom.) followed later. Also that a fifth keep was struck after engagement in the discussion. Discussions are not a vote, and a straight vote count may be giving an erroneous impression of this one. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:01, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm surprised this is still going on a month later. I still feel we would be best served to have the content moved back and kept, but if consensus is going to go to delete, then the old content is still WP:PRESERVED in the user page that I originally noted above. BOZ (talk) 13:52, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - there is no list at the target, or anywhere else. Thanks to Daranios for the additions; the 3 characters do not make the list though. Jclemens may move his userfied page to Neverwinter Nights characters, and turn that to a redirect for future revival. Jay 💬 18:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete – this redirect falsely implies the existence of a list, so it annoys readers. J947 ‡ edits 00:35, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. There are a few characters listed in prose format, which is good enough for me. Thanks to Daranios for putting in the effort to try to save this redirect. -- Tavix (talk) 22:12, 21 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Solidarity, Ecology, Left Alternative

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Greater Luxembourg

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Handwriting expert

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Dana Fuller

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Heathe N. Craig Joint Theater Hospital

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Ra'ad 1

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Username policy

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Gamma Squeeze

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Stars War

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Radio-Canada

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Cite web

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Göbenä

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Bighead octopus,

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True positive

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Ap (ghost)

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Atlantoöccipital articulations

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Hebed

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Tucker Turner

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Jewish pogrom in Amsterdam

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Ted, Ned and Ed

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Ultrajectine

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Joseph Stalin's death conspiracy Theories

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Cite AV media

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Goolge book

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Googlw

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GGKEY

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