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Meehan Range

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Original - Old Beach and the Meehan Range, including Mt Direction (rightmost peak) and Gunner's Qouin (cliff)
Reason
Quality panorama and illustrative for relevant articles. View from the highest point is here for interest's sake.
Articles this image appears in
Old Beach, Tasmania, Meehan Range
Creator
Noodle snacks

Not promoted --wadester16 05:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Ascocoryne sarcoides

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Original - The jelly fungus Ascocoryne sarcoides growing on a cut hardwood stump
Reason
Clear picture of an unusual jelly fungus, meets size requirements, high EV; I think the composition is attractive.
Articles this image appears in
Ascocoryne, Ascocoryne sarcoides
Creator
Daryl Thompson at Mushroom Observer

Not promoted --wadester16 05:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Credulity, Superstition and Fanaticism

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Original - William Hogarth's 1762 engraving Credulity, Superstition, and Fanaticism (published by William Heath in 1822) ridiculed secular and religious credulity. The scene depicts a church congregation with a preacher at the top of a pulpit holding a pair of puppets symbolizing the devil and a witch; below, Mary Toft is giving birth to rabbits. Also contributing to the imagery are a brain with a '"religious thermometer" in it, and a minister sticking his icon down the shirt of a young lady in "the throes of religious ecstasy".
Reason
High quality scan of historical image; meets size criteria, high EV
Articles this image appears in
Mary Toft, Cock Lane ghost
Creator
BryanBot, picture adjustments by Parrot of Doom

Not promoted --wadester16 05:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing

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Original - Aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing: the federal building and surrounding territories are in ruin.
Reason
Arguably one of the most recognized images taken of the 19 April 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building, this image was taken two days after the bombing and shows the extent of the bomb damage to both the federal building and the surrounding area. Its large and has considerable historic value, and I submit it here for consideration for promotion to FP status.
Articles this image appears in
Oklahoma City bombing, Rhabdomyolysis
Creator
Staff Sergeant Preston Chasteen
  • Support as nominator --TomStar81 (Talk • Some say ¥€$, I say NO) 19:17, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - overexposed, blown highlights (not just the sky, but the burnt out cars as well), perspective issues and stuff cut off on top. It has historical value, but pushes it too far on quality for something that's only 15 years old. MER-C 03:57, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - If this nomination fails, it seems like it would do very well at valued pictures. Hello32020 (talk) 15:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I find that comment extraordinarily offensive; if had wanted to take the image to VP I would have done so in the first place. I do not need someone to inform me that I may have better luck somewhere else with my image; if my image "would do very well at valued pictures" then can do just as well -if not better- here, and if I fail then I know that I failed in the pursuit of the highest possible goal, not settling for some backward process that few people (any people?) care about, and for this reason, I would greatly appreciate it if you never mention the VP process as an avenue of approach for a picture I place here again. TomStar81 (Talk • Some say ¥€$, I say NO) 04:46, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --wadester16 05:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Snail Climbing Grass

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Original - An image of a land snail climbing a piece of grass
Reason
It is large, high quality and quite original. Its not often that you are able to find a photo to show the foot whilst working. On the snail page, it contributes quite considerably, as it helps the reader understand the foot of the snail.
Articles this image appears in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snail
Creator
SeanMack

Not promoted --wadester16 05:00, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Cheetah cub close-up

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Original - A close-up view of a Cheetah Acinonyx jubatus cub.
 
Edit 2 Cropped to per Durova's suggestion
Reason
Good quality, EV and interesting IMO
Articles this image appears in
Cheetah
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim
  • Support edit 2. Original is very good, but since the foliage in the background is not in focus and doesn’t give any kind of geographical indicators, I support the picture that makes the cub the main focus. Normally, I would support the picture that not only shows the animal, but also any of its natural habitat in the greatest detail. Zulualpha (talk) 14:23, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Cheetah_cub_close-up_edit2.jpg -- Seddσn talk|WikimediaUK 01:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Baby's Own Aesop

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Original - "The Man That Pleased None" from Baby's Own Aesop, an 1887 children's edition of Aesop's fables by Walter Crane.
Reason
Walter Crane was one of the nineteenth century's most influential figures in the development of English children's literature book illustration. Crane was part of the Arts and Crafts movement and influenced by the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood. Restored from a high resolution scan of the first edition of Crane's 1887 children's edition of Aesop's fables. Unrestored version at File:Can't please everyone.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Walter Crane, Aesop's fables
Creator
Walter Crane


Promoted File:Can't please everyone2.jpg -- Seddσn talk|WikimediaUK 01:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Luculia gratissima

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Original - Luculia gratissima, Austin's Ferry, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
Good quality. Flowers at different stages of opening.
Articles this image appears in
Luculia gratissima, Luculia, Rubiaceae
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted -- Seddσn talk|WikimediaUK 01:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Pied Piper of Hamelin

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Original - The Pied Piper leads the children out of Hamelin. Illustration by Kate Greenaway to the Robert Browning version of the tale.
Reason
Another of the formative English children's book illustrators was Kate Greenaway. This illustration for The Pied Piper of Hamelin was published in an edition to accompany text by Robert Browning. Encyclopedic at several articles. Restored version of File:Pied Piper.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
The Pied Piper of Hamelin, Hamelin, Kate Greenaway, Robert Browning
Creator
Kate Greenaway


Promoted -- Seddσn talk|WikimediaUK 01:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mandarin ducks

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Original - "Mandarin Ducks" by Hiroshige, an ukiyo-e woodcut print.
Reason
Supplying the duck nomination that seems to be requisite of FPC regulars. Encyclopedic at Utagawa school, which previously had no illustration. Restored version of File:Mandarin duck woodcut.jpg. See also compressed version at File:Mandarin duck3 courtesy copy.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Utagawa school
Creator
Hiroshige
"Out in a morning wind,
Have seen a pair of mandarin ducks parting.
Even the best loving couple makes a quarrel."
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Refinement of the translation will be welcomed.--トトト (talk) 00:54, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted -- Seddσn talk|WikimediaUK 01:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Midas

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Original - In the Nathaniel Hawthorne version of the Midas myth, Midas's daughter turns to a statue when he touches her. Illustration by Walter Crane, for A Wonder-Book for Girls and Boys, 1893 edition.
Reason
Illustration of Nathaniel Hawthorne's variant of the King Midas myth. Hawthorne introduced the version of the story in which midas turns his daughter into a statue with his golden touch. Restored version of File:Midas gold.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Midas, Nathaniel Hawthorne, A Wonder-Book for Girls and Boys
Creator
Walter Crane
Odd - you'd think they would notice it too. Oh, well. Support. MER-C 11:57, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I presume it just wasn't considered an issue to check. It's worst in woodblock engravings, of course, since the pieces are glued together after carving, but also common in this sort of thing, and etc. It's probably something to do with the paper the artists used being cut to size by hand, or the like. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 11:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted -- Seddσn talk|WikimediaUK 01:23, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Munttoren

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Original - The Munttoren (Mint Tower) is a prominent landmark in Amsterdam, the Netherlands and the centerpiece of Muntplein (Mint Square). The lower half of the tower was originally part of the city's medieval fortifications.
Reason
EV+Quality
Articles this image appears in
Munttoren, Muntplein and Hendrick de Keyser
Creator
Massimo Catarinella
  • Support as nominator --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 13:07, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Info There are five locations to take a picture of this tower from. Since the square itself is a major crossing point of public transport (tram numbers 4, 9, 14, 16, 24 and 25), overhead cables block the view of the tower from three of those locations (Vijzelstraat, Reguliersbreestraat and Muntplein). The two other location which remain, are the Koningsplein and the bridge across the Amstel I used. If I would have taken this picture from the Koningsplein, the lower half of the tower would have been obscured (see the historic picture in the Munttoren article). So, only the location I used was suitable. One thing I also would like to point out, is that there was no wind at the time (a storm had just passed by). This is something very special here, since there may be only a couple of windless days a year. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 13:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Good reflections in water, seems cropped a little high though. Durova284 16:20, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's cropped a little bit high, but I did it on purpose. Aesthetically I think the picture looks better this way. Further more the tower isn't that high and so it appears less high in the picture through this crop. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 16:37, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. It's a shame about the flagpole sticking up at the left of the tower, but since that's the only suitable location there doesn't seem to have been much you could have done about that. Time3000 (talk) 09:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's not a flag pole, but just an ordinary pole, to which they attach the overhead cables used by trams for power. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 11:06, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. Trams are all but non-existent in the UK so I automatically though 'flagpole' for something that shape ; ). Time3000 (talk) 13:00, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Seems a bit too dark though. I'm sure this was by choice too, but you could have brought out a little bit more detail if it were lighter. There is no rule for this sort of night photography though, as the idea of matching what our eyes see breaks down in the dark, and it becomes a matter of personal choice on the basis of aesthetics. When EV is an important factor though, I think brighter = better. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 11:17, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've uploaded a version with an increased amount of brightness. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 11:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A subtle difference. I might have increased it a little more still, but clearly good enough. :-) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs)
  • Support + Comment – It might just be me, but the tower seems like it is a bit more on the left side of the image, and there is slightly more space on the right side. Do you think it would be good to crop it to center the tower? NW (Talk) 16:19, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think the composition would be better, if it stays the way it is. You're right that the tower is slightly located left of centre. In my opinion this improves the composition as supposed to it being located in the centre. However, if more people feel it should be located in the centre of the image, I would be more then happy to upload a different crop. I'll fly off tomorrow to Portugal for two weeks, so if a consensus of support is reached for the different crop, I'll upload it over the current version once I return. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 18:09, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There is some wierd blurring on the right hand side near the building above the wires suspending the lights. The edge of a building on the right hurts the composition in my view. I feel that it has been taken a bit too late (deep shadows), and that it is underexposed. Noodle snacks (talk) 01:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted -- Seddσn talk|WikimediaUK 01:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


File:Tourist Stall, Trafalgar Square, London - May 2009.jpg

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Original - A tourist-oriented market stall on Trafalgar Square selling an array of London/English/European memorabilia.
Reason
While this is one of my more light-hearted nominations, I do think it's an image with very good techicals and has undeniable EV for the article. ;-)
Articles this image appears in
Tourism in London
Creator
User:Diliff
Hmm, I thought it would be too dark for the lamination - nearby it's almost invisible and on the other side it's purple. Noise and JPEG artifacts become indistinguishable in the right quantity but the compression ratio (11.3) was what led me to suspect artifacts. MER-C 12:07, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You can see that the darker section corresponds to the bend in the sign and there's an equivalent on the right side too. True, sometimes JPEG artifacts are hidden in noise, but usually it's the noise that's objectionable. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 12:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I find EV of this shot highly dubious. This kind of stall isn't London or even UK-specific, I think you can get pretty much the same shot in every major European city, with the only difference being the name of the city on the shirts and the flags' color. Moreover, the article in itself isn't very compelling (that looks like a finely veiled list of places for me), and the picture add strictly nothing to understand the article Ksempac (talk) 07:32, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • But in some ways, that's the point. It doesn't have to be unique to London to have good EV IMO, it only has to be representative of tourism in London, and selling all sorts of random junk that tourists might buy *IS* quite respresentative of that ;-). And you're right that the article tends towards a list of places, but if you look at other similar articles, they all do it. I'm not defending the articles, because clearly they could and should be improved to provide more information about the tourism itself, rather than what tourists visit, but I think this image does a lot more for the article than simply showing another attraction - it refers to the economics of tourism, and sits in the appropriate location for that. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 07:46, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose I appreciate the abstract "tourism in London" quality of the image, but the composition doesn't quite do it for me. There are touristy wares, and there are lots of peoples' backs, but you can't see a stall keeper, or anyone actively buying. The background is blah, the lighting is blah, there's nothing to really catch the eye. The article it's used in is crap, though the image definitely helps. I like what you're trying to do here, but imho, the image just doesn't quite do it. I'm just picturing a better version of this with a couple of tourists haggling with a stall keeper, more interesting junk for sale, better lighting, and perhaps something interesting in the background. Stevage 08:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fair enough, but it sounds like in some ways, you're looking for something that from my experience doesn't exist. This exactly the sort of junk that that is for sale to tourists, and for the most part the stalls sit there attracting very little attention. They're probably more likely to sell a bottle of water to someone than a tacky souvenir but somehow they stay in business. Low rental costs, probably. I've certainly heard about plans to rid these sort of stands from Oxford Street, and there's been an outcry from those whose families have been renting the plots from Westminster Council for the last 100 years or so. Anyway, I digress. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 08:39, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support I can't say I'm sold on the lighting, but the EV is sufficient enough for me. When Ksempac says above "This kind of stall isn't London or even UK-specific, I think you can get pretty much the same shot in every major European city, with the only difference being the name of the city on the shirts and the flags' color", to me that's what precisely makes it tourist-y. SpencerT♦Nominate! 15:59, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose looks like a normal holiday snapshot to me --Andreas 06 (talk) 10:59, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Diffuse composition. The stall is in shadow while the tourists' heads are sunlit, which could work if it were a shot of a family purchasing a flag or a shirt. These people are ignoring the stall and their bodies obscure a substantial part of it. The original I♥NY shirts were easier to read. Maybe there's an FP to be had from a London tourist stall if it's possible to get one under different conditions, and possibly with a different background. The masonry facade in this is unremarkable and the backlit leaves at far left pull my eye out of the frame. Durova288 14:57, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Durova. Calliopejen1 (talk) 18:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not Promoted -- Seddσn talk|WikimediaUK 01:22, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Pink Knotweed

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Original - Persicaria capitata (Pink Knotweed), Austin's Ferry, Tasmania, Australia
 
Chomp
Reason
Shows spike and the short scattered hairs on the leaves well.
Articles this image appears in
Persicaria capitata, Persicaria, Polygonaceae
Creator
Noodle snacks
Support then, prefer edit (1). MER-C 10:53, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Persicaria_capitata_AF_crop.jpg --wadester16 03:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Tasmanian Laurel

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Original - Tasmanian Laurel (Anopterus glandulosus)
Reason
Good quality image of a Tasmanian native species. Shows the colour range present in the flowers.
Articles this image appears in
Anopterus glandulosus, Anopterus
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Anopterus glandulosus.jpg --wadester16 03:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Titanium crystals

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Original - A titanium crystal bar, high pure 99,995%, made by the iodide process at URALREDMET in the Soviet era. Weight ≈283g, ≈5.5 " long, ≈1 " diameter.
Reason
I came across this on commons FPC. It's got undeniably brilliant EV, clearly showing the shape of the crystals, colour of the metal, etc., and is high quality.
Articles this image appears in
Titanium
Creator
Alchemist-hp
info this isn't a mineral, this is a chemical element sample ;-) Best regards, --Alchemist-hp (talk) 12:59, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I mean the sample. I found that it had been added to Crystal bar process (not mentioned in the nomination) which sort of explains the process, but it would have been nice to explain the significance of the shape of the bar in the nomination too. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 07:42, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
OK; I have corrected the image describtion. --Alchemist-hp (talk) 07:55, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Titan-crystal_bar.JPG --wadester16 03:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



The skyline of Philadelphia

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Original - Not for voting - The skyline of Pennsylvania's largest city Philadelphia. Visible are Center City with the Comcast Center on the left bank of the Schuylkill River and the 30th Street Station with the Cira Centre on the right.
 
Edit 1 - Not for voting
 
Final Version
Reason
EV+Quality
Articles this image appears in
Philadelphia and Center City
Creator
Massimo Catarinella
It was taken from the Spring Garden Street Bridge behind the Philadelphia Museum of Art. I had chosen this location, because I thought it was the second best location after the South Street Bridge (which was indeed torn down). I didn't find the top of the steps of the museum a good place to take the shot from, because of a couple of reasons. First of all, it was the day after the fourth of July. The stage which was part of the festivities still stood in the way, so a large part of the skyline was obscured including Philadelphia's City Hall. Another issue for me were the lantern posts and other objects in the foreground, which couldn't be excluded from the photograph. It's true that those three landmarks you named, are excluded mostly from the panorama. The Philadelphia City Hall however would be excluded from a panorama taken from a variety of vantage point, such as the South Street Bridge due to the fact that there are a lot of tall buildings between it and the Schuylkill River. Parts of the City Hall and Two Liberty Place are still present though in this panorama. Two other landmarks are now included due to the fact, that I took the shot from the Spring Garden Street Bridge. Those are the 30th Street Station and the Cira Centre. I do agree that it fits oddly into the lead infobox, but it still looks fine in my opinion. Check out the article about Sydney for instance, which has a similar panorama as lead image. I was only there for two days, so I'm no longer in Philly. I did however enjoyed my visit :). --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 23:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The suitability of the photo in the Philadelphia lead infobox is already being discussed here. Spikebrennan (talk) 15:03, 17 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This was suspended more than 5 days ago. Consider it so. wadester16 03:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This nomination may be unsuspended. I've corrected all flaws in the previous version and the discussion on the article's talk page is over. I'll be unavailable from the 27th of July till the 9th of August (heading over to Portugal (Lisbon+Algarve), so that's also a reason, why I'm reinstating the voting process now. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 12:04, 25 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Unsuspended per request from nominator. --jjron (talk) 13:27, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:GardenStreetBridgeSchuylkillRiverSkylinePhiladelphiaPennsylvania.jpg --wadester16 03:32, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Initial

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Original - A set of decorated initials from the 16th century, missing the letters J, O, W, X and Z. (Thoroughly restored! Please read my comment below. -- JovanCormac (talk))
 
Alt - Improved borders and slightly decreased file size.
Reason
One of the best vectorisations out there, and a wonderful example of decorated initials
Articles this image appears in
Initial
Creator
Vectorised by User:JovanCormac
  • Support as nominator --Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 20:10, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Amazing vectorization, highly encyclopedic. Durova285 21:14, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Great image, and interesting. Never knew that's what those large opening letters were called. Staxringold talkcontribs 21:42, 26 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Why are certain letters omitted? According to Latin alphabet, the Archaic Latin alphabet has 21 letters, but not this 21. The classical latin alphabet has 23 and of course the modern alphabet has 26. The only reason that I can come up with is that 26 is semiprime so you can only go into a 2*13 or 13*2 table to have no gaps which is ugly... Noodle snacks (talk) 06:49, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose for now. The borders of each letter need some cleanup. I really hope this wasn't an inappropriate trace, but since this is an SVG, it can easily be fixed. I'm going to try to upload a newer version with some cleanup of unneeded elements... ZooFari 16:46, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt I went through it and improved borders. It also had a slight decrease in file size. It was actually pretty good; the vectorizer did a great job. ZooFari 23:26, 27 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think you opened a can of worms... which might not be a bad thing. Are the marks in upper right corner of G wear or intentional? How come the inner and outer box of G aren't equally far apart all around? Should the right edge inside the box of P be straightened? In many of the boxes the white lines between boxes are different on top or sides verses the bottom. I don't really know the answer. I agree the original boxes were not very good. But I think your perfectly even sized boxes tend to clash with the images and make some imperfections more apparent. I tend to think maybe something in between would be best? Or maybe some alignment work. I'm not fully sure. (But, really great job on this vectorization otherwise). gren グレン 05:06, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Yes, it definitely has alignment issues, but I was not able to fix all of it. First, they aren't broken into parts and the file size is awfully big—too big and caused my system to work slow. I was going to oppose for that, but I didn't want to be picky. It took me more than five hours just to add new borders, something that could have been done under 30 minutes. I say suspend this until the file size is reduced and fixed. ZooFari 05:47, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I did a thorough restoration of the image and replaced the original upload with it. I cleaned up all the borders as suggested by ZooFari (without compromising the interior, though) and fixed all the tears, cuts and holes in the image - thankfully, I found a second scan of the same page at [1], which allowed me to distinguish between intentional details and damages. As a final step, I split the image into single letters and realigned everything along a neat grid for a clean, even appearance. You can find all those changes in the "Original" image nominated here. I strongly encourage everyone to compare it with the previous version (Old vs. New). I hope you like it as much as I do. -- JovanCormac (talk) 09:39, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Restored original. -- JovanCormac (talk) 09:57, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support since it is in initial rather than trying to directly illustrate the letters or something. Noodle snacks (talk) 10:31, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral I've struck out my votes. I just can't make up my mind. I appreciate Jovan's good restoration, but it wasn't what I was expecting. The file is still filled with too many unnecessary "nodes" and Jovan's borders aren't object elements, but paths instead—also made up of multiple nodes that aren't needed. My alt is not perfect either: the alignment is off and the interior borders do not align with the exterior borders. Despite the enormous size, I suppose I prefer the original. ZooFari 18:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The reason why the borders in my restoration are paths, and have many more nodes than one might expect, is that they are deliberately not perfectly rectangular towards the interior. At first I simply used rectangular frames like you did but I found that their look just doesn't match the "hand-carved" one of the letters, and one could tell that they were added digitally. So I merged the existing borders with the rectangular frames and did a bit of voodoo and a lot of tiny adjustments until I was satisfied that the outcome looked natural. As for the file size, it is a little over 1 MB which is hardly big for a Commons picture; most high-quality photos have 3-5 times that file size. The only "size" issue that remains IMO is the fact that the SVG is so complex that users with low-end systems probably cannot edit it. But making the frames rectangular would not change that one bit, as most of this complexity comes from the actual letter illustrations. -- JovanCormac (talk) 18:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Ornamental Alphabet - 16th Century.svg --wadester16 03:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



File:Sydney Opera House - Dec 2008.jpg

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Original - The Sydney Opera House at night, as viewed from the Sydney Harbour Bridge pedestrian walkway
Reason
It's not a perfect image in terms of technicals (unfortunately, trains and cars running across the bridge cause a substantial amount of vibration which made the image slightly unsharp on a long exposure) and it is much lower resolution than some of my panoramas (still more than enough for FP though), but the view is good, and the nightscape allows the Opera House to stand out more than during the day. It also illustrates many articles prominently as per the articles list.
Articles this image appears in
Sydney Opera House, Sydney, New South Wales, Tourism in Sydney and Australian Landmarks
Creator
User:Diliff

Promoted File:Sydney Opera House - Dec 2008.jpg --wadester16 03:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



File:Kew Gardens Palm House, London - July 2009.jpg

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Original - The Palm House and gardens in Kew Gardens, south-west London.
Reason
Pleasant angle and composition
Articles this image appears in
Kew Gardens
Creator
User:Diliff

Promoted File:Kew Gardens Palm House, London - July 2009.jpg --wadester16 03:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Virgin and Child

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Original - Chiaroscuro woodcut of the Virgin and Child by Bartolommeo Coriolano, created between 1630 and 1655.
Reason
It was a surprise to discover that the old lead image at Mary (mother of Jesus) was less than 100K; this is one of the most frequent themes of historic Christian art. Located a high resolution woodcut from a seventeenth century artist whose biography lacked an illustration. Also useful at the chiaroscuro article. Restored version of File:Mary Coriolano.jpg. If anyone would like a compressed courtesy copy please post a request; would be glad to make one.
Articles this image appears in
Mary (mother of Jesus), Bartolommeo Coriolano, Chiaroscuro
Creator
Bartolommeo Coriolano
When this is the best available, then this is it. A high resolution scan helps by making it possible to do the best restoration possible given the material. GerardM (talk) 08:19, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Mary Coriolano2.jpg --wadester16 03:34, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Richard Allen Anderson

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Original - Richard Allen Anderson, USMC; Medal of Honor recipient, Vietnam War
Reason
I think it is a high quality image
Articles this image appears in
Richard Allen Anderson
Creator
uploaded by ERcheck
I would like to mention the recieving the Medal of Honor is in itself notable and that only an extremely small percentage of the personnel from any war receive it and even then it is usually received posthumously. Aside from perhaps being a bad image it is historically notible. --Kumioko (talk) 19:25, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not notable enough though. If this was the only image available of someone who stood out as being the greatest hero of the Vietnam War in some way, then it would be fair to be a little more lenient towards image quality, but my point is that this guy is among 250 other MOH awardees. It's a significant award, of course, but it doesn't forgive the image quality. That was the point I was originally making. In any case, what made you select this image for FPC? Lots of the MOH awardees seem to have similar quality images. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 19:37, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I submitted several before that I thought where good, that turned out to be bad because they didn't have the perfect light or background noise or whatever so I thought I would try with this one that had obviously been touched up. To be honest with you I don't really think that this FP vetting process is well suited to images of people, and certainly not an image that was taken more than about ten years aho when high quality digital images became easily available to the masses. That is why we have dozens of images of buildings and wildlife and less then 20 of military people. Sure we have a couple, but in order to get those we had to clean them up using gimp or photoshop so really they are less an image as they are an art project. Oppose the image on quality if you wish but opposing it on the grounds of notibility is ridiculous. If he is notable to have an article in WP then he's notable enough to have a FP. BTW I have already attempted to submit all of the MOH recipient images that were decent and only 1 made it through and even then only after it had been cleansed of noise. --Kumioko (talk) 19:54, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with you that portraits do have a difficult time getting through, and particularly historical ones, but that's because they're often poorly taken, or poorly scanned. And I didn't oppose based on notability, I merely commented that if it were exceptionally rare or documented something particularly important, then I would consider lowering the bar on the technical requirements. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 20:10, 28 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose on technicals per Diliff. However, I disagree with Diliff about "non-notability" being a sensible reason to oppose the nomination- the subject has an article. Article subjects are either notable or non-notable; illustrations are judged based on whether they effectively illustrate the subject--notability of the subject is beside the point when evaluating the image. Spikebrennan (talk) 16:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure you got my point then, despite me stating it probably 3 times above ;-). I didn't say non-notability was a sensible reason to oppose, I said the lack of strong notability means that it isn't exempt from our usual technical requirements. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 21:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Doesn't meet the featured picture criteria. In particular, it fails #1 as it isn't of a high technical standard and #3 as a posed portrait like this isn't very compelling. It's clearly a very useful picture for the article, but it isn't of FP standard. Nick-D (talk) 10:29, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --wadester16 03:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



James Stockdale Formal Portait

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Original - Formal portrait of Rear Adm. James B. Stockdale in full dress white uniform.
Reason
I think this is a good high resolution image, no apparent noise, good lighting and a high EV.
Articles this image appears in
James Stockdale, List of United States Naval Academy alumni, List of Medal of Honor recipients for the Vietnam War
Creator
Uploaded by Koalorka

Not promoted --Cybercobra (talk) 07:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Low Library rotunda

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Original - The Low Memorial Library rotunda of Columbia University, circa 1900-1910. Designed by the architectural firm McKim, Mead, and White. All reading desks and most bookshelves were later removed to convert the building to administrative use.
Reason
Rotunda of Low Memorial Library at Columbia University, as it appeared circa 1900-1910 before the building was converted to administrative use. Low Library is the most recognizable building at the university; it occupies the highest ground at the center of campus and has a distinctive design (see exterior). All of the reading desks and the central bookcase have been removed. The rotunda currently serves as a ceremonial space.[2] Restored version of File:Low Library.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Low Memorial Library, Columbia University, McKim, Mead, and White
Creator
Detroit Publishing Co.

Promoted File:Low Library2.jpg --wadester16 19:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Sannosawa Mountain

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Original - Mount Sannosawa (三沢岳, Sannosawa-dake) is amongst the Kiso Mountains, located in the Kiso District, Nagano Prefecture, in the Chūbu region of Japan. It is 2,846 m (9,337 ft) tall.
Reason
Meets all the criteria, as far as I am aware.
Articles this image appears in
Mount Sannosawa
Creator

Not promoted --wadester16 19:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Pulsatilla alpina fruit

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Original - The fruits of Pulsatilla alpina, growing at 2000m above sea level at Schynige Platte, Switzerland.
File:Pulsatilla alpina fruit-edit1.jpg
Edit 1, by jjron
File:Pulsatilla alpina fruit edit1.JPG
Edit 2
 
Edit 3
Reason
Other similar photos I have seen have been top-down views, and I believe the side view gives a far better impression of the plant. It also gives a clearer image, allowing the details of the hairy achenes to be seen. I think the quality of the image is up to scratch for being a featured picture.
Articles this image appears in
Ranunculaceae, Pasque flower, Pulsatilla alpina
Creator
SiameseTurtle

Promoted File:Pulsatilla_alpina_fruit.JPG --wadester16 19:54, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



The King of Hearts

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Original - The King of Hearts, from "The Queen of Hearts" poem in a 1901 edition of Mother Goose, illustration by William Wallace Denslow.
Reason
An illustration for a 1901 edition of Mother Goose by a notable illustrator. Nominating all three illustrations by the same artist for this poem separately (per reviewers who prefer to review items separately). Restored version of File:King of Hearts Mother Goose.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
The Queen of Hearts, Mother Goose
Creator
William Wallace Denslow

Not promoted No quorum. --wadester16 19:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



The Knave of Hearts

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Original - The Knave of Hearts, from "The Queen of Hearts" poem in a 1901 edition of Mother Goose, illustration by William Wallace Denslow.
Reason
An illustration for a 1901 edition of Mother Goose by a notable illustrator. Nominating all three illustrations by the same artist for this poem separately (per reviewers who prefer to review items separately). Restored version of File:Knave of Hearts Mother Goose.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
The Queen of Hearts
Creator
William Wallace Denslow

Promoted File:Knave of Hearts Mother Goose2.jpg --wadester16 19:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



The Queen of Hearts

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Original - "The Queen of Hearts" from a 1901 edition of Mother Goose, illustration by William Wallace Denslow.
Reason
An illustration for a 1901 edition of Mother Goose by a notable illustrator. Nominating all three illustrations by the same artist for this poem separately (per reviewers who prefer to review items separately). Restored version of File:Queen of Hearts Mother Goose.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
The Queen of Hearts, William Wallace Denslow
Creator
William Wallace Denslow

Promoted File:Queen of Hearts Mother Goose2.jpg --wadester16 19:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Town Hall of Ridgefield, Connecticut

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Original - Ridgefield, Connecticut's town hall, on the corner of Main Street and Catoonah Street. Taken July 4th.
Reason
because it is good quality, large, and is a unique compared to other pictures
Articles this image appears in
Ridgefield, Connecticut
Creator
Pepperpiggle

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 00:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Salcantay

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Original - The southwest face of Salcantay, one of the most prominent peaks in the Peruvian Andes.
Reason
Nice clear photo of a fairly well known mountain near Machu Picchu. I find it impossible to be objective on my own work, so I'm not going to try. Of course it's a pity about the clouds - the weather got much worse shortly after this. Minor cloning at the very bottom to remove some unwanted heads, and a bit of Picasa levelling/cropping.
Articles this image appears in
Salcantay
Creator
Stevage

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 00:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



New York City Subway Vernon Boulevard-Jackson Avenue

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Original - A 7 New York City Subway train leaving the Vernon Boulevard–Jackson Avenue station in the borough of Queens.
 
Not for voting - for discussion. By User:Diliff. Clapham Common tube station in London. More EV and an identifiable station IMO.
Reason
A good capture of a subway train leaving the station.
Articles this image appears in
Vernon Boulevard–Jackson Avenue (IRT Flushing Line), New York
Creator
Dschwen
  • Support as nominator --Shappy talk 14:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Good motion shot under difficult lighting conditions. Durova285 15:22, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Not enough EV, IMO --Muhammad(talk) 16:08, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I'm with Muhammad on this one. Dubious EV, also lots of purple fringing. I think that photographing the station without people is probably a better EV selection, but EV would be even better if the train weren't moving (so that it's possible to see what model of rail cars serves this station). Spikebrennan (talk) 16:26, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The car class is R62-R62A, identifiable because the station is part of the A Division as opposed to the B Division and the car has a distinguishable exterior. The differences between the two types are different manufacturers and interior coverings (I think); the exteriors look identical to the untrained eye, such as I. Tinlinkin (talk) 09:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per lack of EV. IMO it would have much better EV if the train wasn't moving, hence it is a station where trains are supposed to be stationed. ZooFari 18:27, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per everything above. Lacking EV, odd photographic choices, etc. Staxringold talkcontribs 19:15, 29 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral I approve of the train movement - adds to the appeal of the image, and focuses on the *station* rather than the *train*. A subway station is a hard object to get "EV" from - they all look pretty much the same - is there anything in this shot (other than the signs) that distinguishes this station from any other? It's also obviously hard to get more than a single platform or a single part of the concourse in a shot. I could almost be talked into supporting this, but the shot seems pretty easily reproduceable. Avoiding purple fringing in this kind of shot seems pretty tough though - you either need a better camera or to postprocess it. Stevage 03:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    They all look the same? You'd be surprised...Shappy talk 17:13, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Probably as good as you can really get from a New York subway station, but it's a pretty cramped view and they all look fairly drab and anonymous, so EV is a bit limited. I added a photo of a London tube station for comparison. I think it has a more dynamic composition and has more EV but obviously it's comparing apples and oranges. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 07:28, 30 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • support This picture has EV for sure: the typical architectural construction of the tube in NYC is visible here. The composition is nice. – Wladyslaw (talk) 07:51, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Used in the article on the station - just because the station doesn't have a dramatic staircase view doesnt' mean it shouldn't be promoted. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 16:25, 31 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support The station itself is made apparent and I thoroughly enjoy the moving train. I really don't care what subway this represents; I just think this is pretty good in general. NYC has a certain charm to it with its steel columns (which are rare elsewhere → goes with the era and location: most structural columns like these are reinforced concrete; note the Tube and the Moscow Metro). wadester16 07:08, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment While it's near imposible to avoid when dealing with pics of underground stations image has noise issues.©Geni 15:58, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support per Wadester. Worth pointing out the big purple smudge on the train door is probably some graphics or other, while the fringing around the lights is kind of forgivable in this situation. I'm weak supporting for the good illustration of a fairly typical NY subway but it does lack a really compelling element somewhere. --mikaultalk 09:56, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral Very nice composition, though I am not impressed with the quality, and the purple fringing is quite prevalent around the lights. -RunningOnBrains(talk) 17:36, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Quality concerns (esp. purple fringing) and questionable EV add up to an oppose. Makeemlighter (talk) 01:58, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment In doing a rearrangement of images at New York, I felt this was good for the transportation section, so that's another article this image can be found in. wadester16 07:28, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral I am likely biased because I am a frequent user of the New York City Subway (as well as that being the focus of my Wiki editing lately). To respond to some concerns, the "purple fringing" denotes the designation of the IRT Flushing Line in the NYCS, which, in turn, determines the color of the 7 (see New York City Subway nomenclature for a detailed explanation). If the train is moving, the fringing is unlikely to be avoided because that "bullet" is lighted from within the train car. (If the train was the focus, then the station would have the fringing.) As for the EV, it's pretty much a typical station, although a picture that included top border mosaics, station identification mosaics or signage is probably better, i.e. New York City Subway tiles, because that is a better representation of NYCS architecture and design. (Suggestion: try the same angle from an island platform that shows the outside wall, columns, and moving train, such as Court Street or Clark Street. The angle may have to be wider as in this shot of DeKalb Avenue.) So I have to agree with not enough EV. Tinlinkin (talk) 09:19, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just a FYI - I agree with much of what you say, but the purple fringing that people are talking about is not the purple subway sign - it's a lens/sensor artifact where there is a purple 'bleed' around areas of strong light/contrast. You can see it in the fluorescent lighting above the train. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 17:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I've been waiting to be sure before voting and it's a definite no for me. Whenever i look at the picture, even the far away parts of the station, my eyes are drawn back to the blurred part on the left and that kills it for me. Moreover, i find that EV would have been better with at least a distinguishable train. The London picture is spot on regarding that. With trains and passengers, i get what this is all about. Ksempac (talk) 23:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 00:35, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just noticing this now. Thanks for the supports! And thanks for taking time to opposes as well ;-). This image is old. I shot it with a Powershot G3 3.5 years ago. Technically not FP material. Surprised to see this over here. Anyhow. I love subways, and taking photos in NY is always fun. I have tons of similar pictures, some from last year with my 5D. --Dschwen 22:40, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Black Currawong

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Original - Black Currawong (Strepera fuliginosa)
Reason
Complete plumage coverage between the two images in the article. High quality. Might need a square crop.
Articles this image appears in
Black Currawong, Currawong
Creator
Noodle snacks
  • Support as nominator --Noodle snacks (talk) 12:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support good quality and EV. Nice DOF --Muhammad(talk) 14:32, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Not quite the best contrast (background is darkest near the bird's head), but good focus and DOF. Durova288 21:47, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Superb encyclopedia shot. Would have ideally had a lighter b/g but no biggie. --mikaultalk 09:23, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. MER-C 10:45, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I'll go against the trend, but the head is slightly blurred, which is where focus traditionally should be best. Wasn't sure if it was a focus/DOF issue, as body is well focused, but looking at metadata f5.6 should have been enough, especially given the angle. However this was taken at 1/25s so it's probably a motion blur from the bird moving its head. These birds are common enough that we can probably expect better, especially given the less than ideal surroundings. --jjron (talk) 14:30, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't think the head, beak is that bad. Obviously pushing it on light level though. Is File:Strepera fuliginosa 1.jpg any better for you? Noodle snacks (talk) 11:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Probably more the sort of clarity I was thinking about on the head. Perhaps it is just DOF, because that one goes rapidly OOF with the feet quite soft, despite them not appearing to be that far out of the plane of the head (though that one is f5 which would also have an impact). FWIW I think the second one comes out better in terms of composition as well in terms of the overall surroundings - much cleaner - but I wouldn't really support it either with the feet and missing tail. As I say above I think these birds are common enough that we can expect something pretty good (difficulty in capturing the blackness well notwithstanding). --jjron (talk) 13:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Jjron. I too think this bird is common enough that we can insist upon near-perfection. Something like the taxobox image would be better in terms of composition. Makeemlighter (talk) 01:46, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Strepera fuliginosa 2.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 00:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Mycena

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Original - Mycena sp. Marriott Falls Track, Mt Field National Park, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
Shows many typical characteristics of Mycena. Very difficult to identify further (even the article says so!).
Articles this image appears in
Mycena
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Mycena sp.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 00:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Armillaria sp

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Original - Armillaria sp. Marriott Falls Track, Mt Field National Park, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
High quality Armillaria sp growing out of a log. Difficult to further identify from photograph. Fungi are pretty under represented for featured images, given that there are an estimated 1.5 million species.
Articles this image appears in
Honey fungus
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Armillaria sp Marriott.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 00:46, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Bank of Tanzania

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Original - The Bank of Tanzania is the central bank of the United Republic of Tanzania. It is responsible for issuing the national currency, the Tanzanian shilling.
 
Edit 1 colour corrected
Reason
Good quality, EV, lighting. Probably my last Tanzania related nomination for a long time.
Articles this image appears in
Bank of Tanzania
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim
Bushfire smoke, volcanic ash, dust storms and I guess other particulates can do that. MER-C 10:58, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
If Tanzania is anything like New York City, I can testify that an evening summer sky can look even unhealthier than that. -RunningOnBrains(talk) 17:14, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
We know the light tends to yellow-red; a photograph taken should not have a cast unless all you see is sunlit areas. The test in these particular conditions would be to look at shadow areas, which should remain neutral. --mikaultalk 20:34, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The exception might be when the sky is particularly smoggy, in which case even the indirect light is tinted... I agree with you in theory though - generally you should correct the WB for the shadows, as they're most neutral. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 22:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Bank of Tanzania golden hour.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 00:47, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Jimmy Wales

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Original - Jimmy Wales, the founder of the Wikimedia Foundation, in 2008
 
Edit 1 cropped & colour balanced, fixed colour profile
Reason
In my opinion, this is probably the best image of Jimbo Wales that we have. It had a Picture peer review in February 2009, where several editors thought it could be a possible candidate for FP.
Articles this image appears in
Jimmy Wales, Wikimedia Foundation
Creator
Wikimedia Foundation
Incidentally, has anyone noticed how much he looks like Jimmy Wales? --mikaultalk 10:28, 2 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Jimmy Wales Fundraiser Appeal edit.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 00:47, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Anatomy of a Périnet piston valve.

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Original - Anatomy of the first piston valve of a B♭ trumpet. When depressed, the valve will take the sound from the open trumpet (no valves down: C, G, C, E, G, C) down one whole step.
Reason
Technically OK, a detailed view that is not usually available.
Articles this image appears in
Piston valve
Creator
Eusebius

Promoted File:Trompette - premier piston - montage perspective.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 00:45, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Traditional Chaga Hut

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Original - A traditional Chaga hut in Kilimanjaro. See image page for lengthier caption.
 
Original Overexposed Version
Reason
Good quality and very good EV. I thought the Bank of Tanzania would be my last TZ related nom but found a few more images. Compared to the only other image of the subject, this one is pretty good.
Articles this image appears in
Chaga, Hut (dwelling)
Creator
User:Muhammad Mahdi Karim
  • Comment Does anyone else see the reddish hue around every leaf, and the sky is looking purple on my computer. I wanted to ask about it before voting. Other pictures are showing correct, as well as the tests above. Thank you very much!! Zulualpha (talk) 19:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Maybe a blown sky was removed? I've done that before, and if you don't find a good replacement for the sky, it comes out looking something like this, especially if the fill-in isn't carefully done. Given the lighting, I'd say it was probable. Thegreenj 21:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • The sky was blown to some extent and I tried to recover the blown areas. If anybody wants to give it a retry, I can provide the blown version as well --Muhammad(talk) 02:58, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Did you shoot in raw? If you did, why not provide the original and a -1 EV version. That would be a good start. If you're determined to replace the sky with nothing but the blown version, you may want to try using a much lighter, somewhat desaturated blue gradient as your sky. That said, I'm not sure I would consider totally replacing the sky (as appears to have been done here) appropriate encyclopedia ethics. Thegreenj 03:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I would much rather a blown sky (sometimes this is unavoidable, and I wouldn't necessarily oppose for it) than an a faked sky which is simply overexposure that has been darkened, and is therefore missing all colour info (essentially grey). I don't really agree with using a blue gradient either, as it would likely not look realistic, not to mention the ethical issues. If the raw file exists, it might be possible to recover but even then, not always. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 12:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thank goodness others see it... I thought I needed to adjust my moniter. I'm an amateur photographer and also currently working as a photography assistant. We shoot with film and therefore I am not as familiar with photo-shopping techniques. Would “fixing” the blown sky on the computer also account for the red hue around the leaves, or is that another problem? Zulualpha (talk) 15:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm glad to see the comments above so I know I'm not crazy, that sky looks VERY awkward. Staxringold talkcontribs 13:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I've never seen grey blown highlights here before, but there you go. Might be recoverable in RAW, but that only makes the chromatic aberration look worse. MER-C 04:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Thegreen, Diliff anything you can do about the original, any comments? --Muhammad(talk) 08:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • By the look of the original, no, but it would really depend if you shot it in RAW and could recover the highlights there. It looks beyond recovery to be honest. But having said that, I don't think the blown sky is that important. It would be nice if it wasn't, but I've shot in forests quite often and it is nearly impossible to retain detail in the sky when properly exposing for the forest floor. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 09:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree about the blown sky being unimportant. A few lines of clouds would not affect the EV of this image and otherwise the quality is pretty good, right? --Muhammad(talk) 12:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's not just the blown sky though, the whole top of the hut seems overly flushed with light - again probably a side-effect of the shooting conditions. You could try to selectively edit that, but I'd tend to say it just doesn't come up to FP standards, difficulty of shooting conditions notwithstanding (though they typically are ignored). Would support it at VPC though (please don't give me a lecture about mentioning VP as some users are wont to do ;-) ). --jjron (talk) 14:55, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I don't see why a small part of the image which provides no additional information should affect the larger part of the image. And apart from the exposure, it is otherwise very good and we have been known to make exceptions in rare cases. --Muhammad(talk) 02:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original unedited version only Too bad for the blown sky, but anybody who've been in a forest will understand. On the other hand the grey sky of the edited version looked completely fake. Except for the sky, the picture is great, with a lot of EV (Bonus point for the great caption in the summary. Wish all FPC would have this kind of caption !). I would have liked to see more Tanzania's pictures (and I mean real people/place, not insects or flowers :p). Ksempac (talk) 09:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "original", wow, that just looks.. ..uncanny! How is that even remotely an improvement? Weak support alternative (real original), the blown sky cheapens the look of the image, but this is great stuff none the less. I find this way more interesting than the umpteenth insect macro. --Dschwen 22:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support unedited version. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 188 FCs served 09:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Chaga_hut_noadj.jpg Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Official portrait of United States President Barack Obama

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Original - Barack Obama's official portrait is the first United States Presidential Portrait taken with a digital camera.
Reason
A very impressive image, shot by an impressive photographer. An instantly recognizable photograph, seen throughout the entire world, as a representation of the current President of the United States. Though I am personally not a supporter of President Obama, this image is extremely inspiring, and a perfect capture of the subject. The lighting and contrast of the photo is superb, with the red, white and blue flag in the background providing a sense of integrity, as well as patriotism. Very professional image that is worthy of being a featured image on the English Wikipedia.
Articles this image appears in
Barack Obama, President of the United States, etc.
Creator
Pete Souza
To answer all your questions: yes. It's a poor image, no action, no story, just a mundane expressionless photo. --William S. Saturn (talk) 03:28, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - sorry, but the positioning is really distracting and takes away from the image. Plus, the flags look really blurry and my eyes kinda burn from looking at the image because of the blur, especially when they try to adjust to read the words which are too close to center not to be drawn towards. Ottava Rima (talk) 23:42, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support obvious EV. And i do like the composition...for once a people picture with a bit of originality. Nice rule of thirds. Can't understand why people are so put up by this composition. Ksempac (talk) 09:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 00:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Torres del Paine

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Original - The Torres del Paine are three rock formations in the Cordillera del Paine, and the most recognisable landmark of Chile's Torres del Paine National Park, the most visited in South America.
 
Alternative 1
Reason
High resolution image in great lighting conditions of an iconic rock formation. This is a vertical panorama of three images taken at about 7am, on an uncharacteristically bright, cloudless day. Regarding flaws, the composition isn't perfect, and perhaps the polariser blackens the sky a bit too much.
Articles this image appears in
Torres del Paine National Park, Cordillera del Paine
Creator
Stevage
  • Support as nominator --Stevage 14:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Yeah, the polarisation of the sky is a bit OTT - that must have been some seriously clear blue sky. Fantastic looking scenery, but I'm not a fan of the composition. Doesn't look like the best vantage point and it feels a bit cramped and confused. And while it has plenty of resolution, the detail is fairly poor at 100%. Not suggesting you downsample it necessarily though. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:38, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    For context, see the alternative. Stevage 23:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    It looks like a better vantage point would be further up the slope to the left... You'd lose the reflection in the water, I suppose, but it would be a more complete and higher EV view IMO. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 10:20, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose all - loss of detail due to JPEG artifacts. Also per Diliff. MER-C 09:26, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not to nit-pick at this vote in particular, but I've seen jpeg artifacts misidentified increasingly frequently around FPC. They don't appear as noise or as general lack of sharpness; they look like 8x8 pixel squares. Jpeg artifacts aren't a major problem with this photo at 100%, and they're certainly not causing the detail loss here; diffraction (f/22!?) or optics is more likely, IMO. (FWIW, this is what detail loss from jpeg artifacts looks like.) Thegreenj 03:27, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Agreed. With no disrespect to MER-C intended, I do think he does occasionally misdiagnose JPEG artifacts. There are some strange artifacts in the dark blue sky, but I suspect that it is sensor noise that the camera has attempted to perform in-camera reduction on (badly). It usually ends up as patchy, blobby artifacts on P&S cameras (which I assume was used in this case, as it doesn't seem to have the pixel level sharpness of a DSLR, even at f/22!). Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 08:33, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oddly enough, EXIF says it is a DSLR and a high-end one as well (Pentax K10D), the ISO was only 280 and the shutter speed was 1/125. At those settings, noise really shouldn't be a problem... MER-C 09:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. I hadn't had a good look at the EXIF, but with those settings and the camear there's not really any logical explanation for the poor image quality. It seems even more obvious in the sky of the alternative image, and I think there might actually be a bit of blocky JPEG artifacts in that one too by the looks of it. Stevage, what do you think? Is that image quality typical from your camera? Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:46, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Noise is always worse in the blue channel and varies according to the chip; can be really bad with Sony DSLRs, maybe Pentax use the same chip? Other quality issues (softness, lack of contrast, fringing) are just cheap lens related, that said no DX lens is going to be impressive stopped right down. Weird "choice" of ISO/exposure for a straight auto setting, it has to be said. --mikaultalk 04:23, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
True, I believe Pentax does/did use a Sony chip, as did Nikon until fairly recently. I've never seen a lens that unsharp though. Even the cheapest, crappiest lenses can produce better images. It actually looks a little upsampled to me. I'm not saying it has been - that's just what it looks like. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 08:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The reflections at the bottom of both pictures is mind-bending! Because the formations are so strange and interesting, you can't really tell where the rock ends and the water begins. Smaug123 (talk) 18:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 00:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Rob Roy

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Original - Rob Roy in the Crypt of Glasgow Cathedral, the frontispiece to an 1886 edition of Sir Walter Scott's Rob Roy. Created by the Dalziel Brothers. This shows Frank Osbaldistone, the narrator and main character, at the point of being given a mysterious message by a person which, by the time he looks, has disappeared - a scene replayed in literature ever since.
Reason
Restored version of File:Dalziel Brothers - Sir Walter Scott - Rob Roy in the Crypt of Glasgow Cathedral unrestored.jpg. This shows the gothic, atmospheric meeting that sets off the exciting second half of the book, and I think does an excellent job at capturing the mood. The engravers are highly notable, and the book is, of course, very well known. This was nominated before (and actually had a consensus of support which was overruled, then it got caught up in various drama related to a series of awkward closures...); however, I think it's now accepted that a good illustration of a book is useful to have, which a lot of the opposes seemed against at the time.
Articles this image appears in
Rob Roy (novel), Dalziel Brothers, and Glasgow Cathedral.
Creator
the Dalziel Brothers

Promoted File:Dalziel Brothers - Sir Walter Scott - Rob Roy in the Crypt of Glasgow Cathedral.jpg --Cybercobra (talk) 03:42, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Interborough Rattled Transit Political Cartoon

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Original - Political cartoon that ran in the New York Herald on March 24, 1905 regarding lousy service of the Interborough Rapid Transit (integrated into the New York City Subway in 1940). The subway car is labeled "Interborough Rattled Transit" with a sign that states "Trains run at the Co.'s convenience". Above the waiting patrons is a sign that reads "Three hours to Harlem".
 
Alt 1 - Grayscale version
 
Alt 2 - Sharpened version
Reason
Humorous cartoon about the Interborough Rapid Transit (a private transit company that eventually was bought out by the New York City Subway) critical of the system's service, in 1905. Restored version of File:Interborough Rattled Transit.png; smaller (1.86mb) version available: File:Interborough Rattled Transit Downsampled Restored.png. Could be just as relevant today in some urban subways. :-)
Articles this image appears in
New York City Subway, History of the IRT subway before 1918, History of the New York City Subway
Creator
Rogers, W. A. (William Allen) (published in the New York Herald)
  • Support as nominator --wadester16 20:17, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Wadester, I've told you that you shouldn't downsample engravings and such. However, you seem to have taken it into your head that your first step, when restoring, is to downsample to a tiny size, and yet you do not document this act very well, giving the misleading impression that this is as large as the image could be gotten. While you're doing that, such restorations cannot be considered Wikipedia's best work, even if no other flaws could be found. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 21:03, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • What other option do I have when the original is 23 mb and won't thumbnail? This is still 1660 px in its smallest dimension, which easily meets the FP criteria for size. I'm also trying to be considerate of others with slow connections. wadester16 21:09, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • You could restore and upload at full size as well as a downsampled version of the restoration for thumbnailing (as has been done before); after all the work restoring, it's a trivial amount of effort to provide a higher quality image. Also if you're concerned about others with slow internet, 6MB is still a pretty big file; an additional jpeg version might be helpful. Just link the other versions in the image page, and everyone's happy. Thegreenj 21:31, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • If you look at my restorations, you'll see that nearly all of them have a PNG version (which generally doesn't thumbnail) and a JPEG (which does), as well as the same (or sometimes just the PNG) for the original. Just note at the top that the image is a lossless version of XXX.jpg, which doesn't currently display due to the PNG thumbnailer problem, but should be kept to allow further editing.
Also, the PNG thumbnailer limit is 12 megapixels, not three, so even for the stated reason for the downsample - which I'd still oppose over - you went way too far. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 21:39, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Done Highest-res version uploaded over the original shown above. Smaller version linked in text above. Alt, in grayscale, is also offered for those that may prefer it. wadester16 05:05, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment All the LoC's film images tend to be rather soft, including this one, so I've sharpened it a bit. Time3000 (talk) 11:09, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. The brightness of the paper seems pretty inconsistent. The bottom left is much brighter than the other corners, particularly the left side. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 12:51, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Agreed, and brick red seems an odd tone for the colours - This scan is pretty bad, and very uneven in tone - dark in parts, light in others, and this sort of art didn't have washes. It'd be better to lose the paper (which is badly posterised) and just keep the ink, if we're to salvage this. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 184 FCs served 16:53, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • It's not just a scanner issue, Shoemaker. This is a second generation copy. Remember my complaints about the slightly off-focus Kodak duplicates LoC was making several decades ago? It's often hard to work off those things. Durova294 18:10, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Here's hoping you saved a version prior to changing the histogram, Wadester. There are pretty severe brightness variations in different parts of this image. It's a phenomenon I blogged about several months back. Have a look at how much better Jake Wartenberg made the Montana State Capitol before he nominated. After that's ready, try adjusting color balance instead of desaturating. This fade is rich in magenta and deficient in cyan. A few minor issues could also use a touch-up. It looks like someone made a diagonal scratch to interrupt the lines of the I-beam pillar. Durova294 18:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - appears downsampled (or blurred) and then desaturated. The downsampling/blurring tends to lose detail in the paper, making it look washed; also not a wise option for an engraving (or anything involving thin strokes), since they can get discarded in either process. Wholesale blurring and sharpening is not good, unless you know you can get away with it (ie., no-one is going to complain). It would be better if the paper were restored before the desaturation/levels adjustment to avoid the overblown whites. At any rate, if you do use levels (or whatever) in the future, it's a good way to check against over-bright and over-dark [not relevant here] areas, so you know where to work next. Xavexgoem (talk) 19:06, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment uploaded new version over original, using Alt 2 as basis. Colors adjusted per Durova, and brightness adjusted per Diliff. Unfortunately I'm on my way out for vacation and may not be around much until next week. Irrational timing on my part, admittedly. wadester16 19:48, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • That's getting closer. Global changes seldom do the trick with this type of image. It's still got brightness variances, which produce some loss of paper texture. Also the color balance has local irregularities. Have uploaded an edit with notes to make it a little easier to see. The ideal solution is to go back and work on the uneven fade first, in order to retain the texture. Then try a series of feathered layer adjustments to get a consistent color balance. Good call to leave the pencil marks visible from before the artist inked the sketch. The hard part is to leave that intact while getting out the smudges and dirt. Looks effortless when it's done right, but but actually quite difficult. A tough choice for a first restoration FPC. Durova297 21:12, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 188 FCs served 01:53, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Traditional Chaga Hut

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Original - A traditional Chaga hut in Kilimanjaro. See image page for lengthier caption.
 
Original Overexposed Version
Reason
Good quality and very good EV. I thought the Bank of Tanzania would be my last TZ related nom but found a few more images. Compared to the only other image of the subject, this one is pretty good.
Articles this image appears in
Chaga, Hut (dwelling)
Creator
User:Muhammad Mahdi Karim
  • Comment Does anyone else see the reddish hue around every leaf, and the sky is looking purple on my computer. I wanted to ask about it before voting. Other pictures are showing correct, as well as the tests above. Thank you very much!! Zulualpha (talk) 19:14, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Maybe a blown sky was removed? I've done that before, and if you don't find a good replacement for the sky, it comes out looking something like this, especially if the fill-in isn't carefully done. Given the lighting, I'd say it was probable. Thegreenj 21:49, 4 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • The sky was blown to some extent and I tried to recover the blown areas. If anybody wants to give it a retry, I can provide the blown version as well --Muhammad(talk) 02:58, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Did you shoot in raw? If you did, why not provide the original and a -1 EV version. That would be a good start. If you're determined to replace the sky with nothing but the blown version, you may want to try using a much lighter, somewhat desaturated blue gradient as your sky. That said, I'm not sure I would consider totally replacing the sky (as appears to have been done here) appropriate encyclopedia ethics. Thegreenj 03:13, 5 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I would much rather a blown sky (sometimes this is unavoidable, and I wouldn't necessarily oppose for it) than an a faked sky which is simply overexposure that has been darkened, and is therefore missing all colour info (essentially grey). I don't really agree with using a blue gradient either, as it would likely not look realistic, not to mention the ethical issues. If the raw file exists, it might be possible to recover but even then, not always. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 12:55, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thank goodness others see it... I thought I needed to adjust my moniter. I'm an amateur photographer and also currently working as a photography assistant. We shoot with film and therefore I am not as familiar with photo-shopping techniques. Would “fixing” the blown sky on the computer also account for the red hue around the leaves, or is that another problem? Zulualpha (talk) 15:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm glad to see the comments above so I know I'm not crazy, that sky looks VERY awkward. Staxringold talkcontribs 13:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I've never seen grey blown highlights here before, but there you go. Might be recoverable in RAW, but that only makes the chromatic aberration look worse. MER-C 04:46, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Thegreen, Diliff anything you can do about the original, any comments? --Muhammad(talk) 08:50, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • By the look of the original, no, but it would really depend if you shot it in RAW and could recover the highlights there. It looks beyond recovery to be honest. But having said that, I don't think the blown sky is that important. It would be nice if it wasn't, but I've shot in forests quite often and it is nearly impossible to retain detail in the sky when properly exposing for the forest floor. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 09:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I agree about the blown sky being unimportant. A few lines of clouds would not affect the EV of this image and otherwise the quality is pretty good, right? --Muhammad(talk) 12:52, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's not just the blown sky though, the whole top of the hut seems overly flushed with light - again probably a side-effect of the shooting conditions. You could try to selectively edit that, but I'd tend to say it just doesn't come up to FP standards, difficulty of shooting conditions notwithstanding (though they typically are ignored). Would support it at VPC though (please don't give me a lecture about mentioning VP as some users are wont to do ;-) ). --jjron (talk) 14:55, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • I don't see why a small part of the image which provides no additional information should affect the larger part of the image. And apart from the exposure, it is otherwise very good and we have been known to make exceptions in rare cases. --Muhammad(talk) 02:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original unedited version only Too bad for the blown sky, but anybody who've been in a forest will understand. On the other hand the grey sky of the edited version looked completely fake. Except for the sky, the picture is great, with a lot of EV (Bonus point for the great caption in the summary. Wish all FPC would have this kind of caption !). I would have liked to see more Tanzania's pictures (and I mean real people/place, not insects or flowers :p). Ksempac (talk) 09:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose "original", wow, that just looks.. ..uncanny! How is that even remotely an improvement? Weak support alternative (real original), the blown sky cheapens the look of the image, but this is great stuff none the less. I find this way more interesting than the umpteenth insect macro. --Dschwen 22:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support unedited version. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 188 FCs served 09:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Chaga_hut_noadj.jpg Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:06, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Clavulinopsis corallinorosacea

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Original - Clavulinopsis corallinorosacea, Mt Field National Park, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
Quality image for a distinctive family. Should be able to go to genus and species level article wise.
Articles this image appears in
Coral fungus
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Clavulinopsis_corallinorosacea.jpg Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:09, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Columbus, Georgia sunset

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Reason
I think this picture is a wonderful picture with great quality and should be a featured picture.
Articles this image appears in
Georgia (U.S. state), Columbus, Georgia, Chattahoochee River
Creator
Shark96z

Not promoted MER-C 08:45, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



New York Public Library, 1908

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Original - The New York Public Library Main Branch, built 1897–1911, Carrère and Hastings, architects. Photographed during late construction in 1908.
Reason
A bit of Old New York: the New York Public Library main building while it was still being built, flanked by horse carriages and a trolley. The New York Public Library has the second most extensive collection in the United States. The famous lion statues by the entrance have not yet been installed. Restored version of File:New York Public Library 1908.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Carrère and Hastings, New York Public Library, New York Public Library Main Branch
Creator
Detroit Publishing Company

Promoted File:New York Public Library 1908c.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 189 FCs served 04:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Wicked Witch of the West

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Original - The Wicked Witch of the West melts, from the William Wallace Denslow illustration in the first edition of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz (1900).
Reason
The Wicked Witch of the West, brought to you by the Wiki Witch of the West. Restored version of File:Wicked Witch.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Wicked Witch of the West, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, Land of Oz
Creator
William Wallace Denslow

Promoted File:Wicked Witch2.jpg --wadester16 06:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Gran calavera eléctrica

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Original - "Gran calavera eléctrica" (Grand electric skull) by José Guadalupe Posada, 1900-1913.
Reason
José Guadalupe Posada was a Mexican artist who used themes from indigenous culture to religious and satirical effect. Posada's best known work incorporates skulls (calaveras), such as this "Great electric skull" example in which a skeleton hypnotizes other skulls. Posada's work is associated with the modern Mexican holiday Day of the Dead (El Día de los Muertos), which incorporates precolonial traditions. Restored version of File:Gran_calavera_eléctrica.jpg.

The background texture is presumably due to the printing being done on cloth, combined with the age.

Articles this image appears in
José Guadalupe Posada, Calavera, Day of the Dead, Folk art
Creator
José Guadalupe Posada

Promoted File:Gran_calavera_eléctrica2.jpg --Seddσn talk|WikimediaUK 23:12, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Students Going to Man the Barricades

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Original - "The [Franco-Prussian] War: Defence of Paris-Students Going to Man the Barricades" After the surrender of Napoleon III, the French Republic refused the German settlement terms, and the war was forced to continue. Paris was besieged, and people of all walks of life entered into its defence.
Reason
Kind of an iconic image of France, with real-life imitating Hugo's literature.
Articles this image appears in
Franco-Prussian War, Siege of Paris, Fred Barnard.
Creator
Fred Barnard. My original two-part Scan was stitched together and straightened by Wikipedia:Graphics Lab members VegitaU and Rugby471; I have done a full reworking of the restoration.
Yes, the Illustrated London News had artists on the spot to capture the scenes going on there. Yes, they were Barricades: This was during the period around the Siege of Paris. This is from a newspaper: It's not from an art journal. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 189 FCs served 07:31, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Quite. You have to remember this was all before the advent of photojournalism and at the time engravings were made from sketches commissioned as the best way of reporting events pictorially. You generally don't ask such questions of a photograph of an event; you simply accept it as a record of what occurred and either draw your own conclusions or have them drawn for you. Presumably the artist either specified the presence of students or this was inferred by the newspaper editor, given the situation on the ground at the time. Whatever: this is how world events were portrayed at the time and has much the same credibility and indeed EV as a photograph of similar quality, if not perhaps equal spontaneity. --mikaultalk 11:10, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I examined the articles based on jjron's comments and came to the determination that this lacks sufficient EV. It's in a gallery on Fred Barnard. Siege of Paris doesn't mention this event at all. EV in Franco-Prussian War seems to depend on this picture being representative of the Siege of Paris, and it doesn't appear to be so. So, the Siege article looks like the only place this could have sufficient EV, but as it stands, the events the picture purports to depict are not even mentioned in the article. That all adds up to an oppose based on insufficient EV. Makeemlighter (talk) 07:47, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
According to most modern views of history, the general population - not just the big players - are important too. As an encyclopedia, it may be difficult to include all aspects of this in a short encyclopedia article, but that does not mean we should actively work to exclude this when a good illustration of daily life at the time is available. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 189 FCs served 08:14, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Not that it matters now, but the point I was trying to get across was that rather than enhance the article this picture makes it confusing since nowhere in the text is this specific event mentioned. Certainly it's important to note what the residents of Paris were doing during the siege, but it's rather odd to illustrate an article with a picture depicting something that's not even mentioned in the text. It makes me wonder how important it was that the students manned the fortifications. Makeemlighter (talk) 00:31, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Why would this event itself be mentioned in the text? The city would have been in complete chaos at the time. Notable events were never recorded as images, unless they were staged afterwards as photographs. In fairness, this image would arguably be better at Paris Commune, given the spirit of revolutionary zeal it seems to be illustrating, but I'd definitely regard this and others like it as iconic and hugely relevant images of one of the most significant historical events in 19th century Europe. --mikaultalk 11:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Just for the record, this predates the commune. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 00:22, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
(Replying after the nom has been closed). The point I was trying to make, and also I think Makeemlighter was that FPs should be high EV things that add significantly to the content of the article - that's probably the most important criteria (even though it's not treated that way). If this event was historically so minor to be not even mentioned in the article it thus may not have high EV, so what it's illustrating may not be FP material if only for that reason, not because the image itself is bad. And the reason I said ...aren't the students going to man the fortifications..., which SMH said was wrong, is because the caption on the image itself says this very thing - so who's right, SMH or the person that added the original caption? Personally, for the record I kind of like this picture, but I'd say EV is a significant problem here, as it was two years ago. --jjron (talk) 08:06, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But surely if it illustrated the event in an important news publication at the time of the siege it has massive relevance. Why must this illustration be mentioned in the text any more than a photo of the crowds during any historic event? I can only suppose you see it as less veracious because it's an illustration, and it probably is, but this was before photojournalism and the immeditate precursor to it. As such it stands on it own merits as do other wartime FPs. mikaultalk 11:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Take a look through say a 10 year old newspaper and ask yourself how many images there are relevant to an encyclopaedia now. Newspapers, magazines, etc are different from encyclopaedias and have different aims - just because an image has been deemed newsworthy doesn't make it encyclopaedia worthy, much less featureworthy. It has to stand on its own. And if we were being asked to judge a photo of a crowd (that wasn't mentioned in the article) during a historic event I'd probably give the same response. FWIW we should be able to expect an illustration or painting to do more than a photo as the artist can manipulate it to show what they want far more than with a photo. So no one has attempted to answer my question about "the main characters - the couple of soldiers (?), the old man, the young woman" - the artist has made them the main subject but we don't know why, and quite possibly the people at the "Illustrated London News" didn't know why either, so just guessed at a caption and title (this type of thing has happened certainly up till recent times where newspapers rush a good picture to print with little to no information on what it's actually depicting). We need to move beyond old = historic = high EV = featured. That equation does not necessarily hold up, and each item should be evaluated independently. --jjron (talk) 05:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
So do you propose we delist the three examples I linked to? They all portray people and wartime events not mentioned in the article. Like the engraving here, the locations depicted (if stated) aren't in dispute and we rely on the veracity of the illustrator for the identity (if any) of those portrayed, along with the event apparently depicted. They're all outstanding images in their own right; this isn't an "old = featured" issue. As you say, these things are the same today as ever, in fact I'd say the selectivity of your average photojournalist allows for a very special kind of manipulation which, due to people's total acceptance of photographic images as what actually happened, is a far more potent mojo than the product of a sketch artist's imagination. No, I think we have to accept these images, generally regarded as fair representations of past events, as the best way of adding visual detail to accounts of war, and the very best of them to be well worth featuring here and elsewhere. I'm not sure how to respond to your question about 10-year old newspapers. You mean the likes the Kosovo War, WTC attack, invasion of Iraq etc (historical accounts of them and WP articles on them) would be worse off with the inclusion of key photographs from those events? What value those images in 150 years time? Sorry, I just don't get it. --mikaultalk 06:36, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I think your three examples do depict things mentioned in the articles: countermeasures to poison gas, Czech resistance to Nazi occupation, and the Bougainville campaign. The middle one is pretty weak, but at least connects somewhat to the article. The picture in this nom, however, depicts an event that not only isn't mentioned in the articles, but the importance of which is actually put into question by the article. Apparently, the Prussian commander "never had any intention of attacking the city" and it looks like an actual attack on Paris never occurred. So how significant is what's depicted in this picture? As far as the newspaper thing...what looks important at the time may not be important in retrospect. Perhaps the newsmen expected an attack on Paris. This attack never occurred, so the people who would have participated in its defense aren't terribly important. Makeemlighter (talk) 19:26, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But you don't explain why these images themselves – the moments in time they depict – must be mentioned in the article to be relevant. They add information and scenarios not mentioned in the article because they are depictions of typical human activity during extraordinary circumstances: war. That's what makes them striking and informative. I don't need to read about these images in the text to appreciate their relevance. In the case of the Paris image we have a depiction of the spirit of defiance in the air as the siege commenced. The city would have been in chaos, streets full of people literally up in arms, rushing to repel the advancing German forces. The ILN artists, trapped in Paris, were shipping out sketches by hot air balloon. What the intentions of the Prussian commander have to do with it I don't know... it was a siege! An attack would only have been necessary if the tactic of attrition failed, which of course it didn't. By definition, being under siege, the city defences served both as a stonghold against invasion and an imprisonment of the entire population. Citizens would have been mobilised as a show of defiance and strength while incursions into the German lines were launched. Exactly how news of the investment of the city was received by the Parisian public isn't described in the article and, reading the article, we would have no inkling of their reaction, were it not for the inclusion of that image. Isn't that enough? Honestly, for me, I gleaned as much from this one image as I did reading the adjacent text. --mikaultalk 23:36, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Franco-Prussian War - Students Going to Man the Barricades - Illustrated London News Oct 1 1870.jpg --Seddσn talk|WikimediaUK 23:08, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

File:Clapham Common Tube Station Platforms - Oct 2007.jpg

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Original - Clapham Common Tube Station showing the north and south-bound island platform on the Northern Line, in London, England.
Reason
Given the recent nomination of the subway station in NYC, and the fact that most of the opposition votes were mainly on the basis of limited identifiability and poor image quality (purple fringing), I thought I would give this image a nomination as I think it has a more interesting composition and addresses some of the faults of the other.
Articles this image appears in
Clapham Common tube station, City and South London Railway, Island platform and Rapid transit
Creator
User:Diliff

Promoted File:Clapham Common Tube Station Platforms - Oct 2007.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 01:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Lorryia formosa

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Original - Scanning electron micrograph of the yellow mite, Lorryia formosa. Magnification is approximately 200x. Image has been digitally colorized.
Reason
Excellent quality electron micrograph of the yellow mite, an agricultural nuisance. I discovered the picture recently and was surprised it wasn't featured already, so I made an article for the species.
Articles this image appears in
Lorryia formosa, Tydeidae, Acariformes, Mite
Creator
Photo by Eric Erbe; digital colorization by Chris Pooley at the USDA.

Promoted File:Yellow mite (Tydeidae), Lorryia formosa.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 01:13, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Parliament House Canberra

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Original - Parliament House, Canberra was opened in 1988, replacing the provisional Parliament House building opened in 1927
Reason
Detailed image for an important Australian landmark.
Articles this image appears in
Canberra, Parliament House, Canberra, Australia
Creator
Noodle snacks
  • Support as nominator --Noodle snacks (talk) 11:37, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a great picture which meets the criteria. Before someone raises it, it would be difficult to get all of Parliament House in a single close-ish frame given it's size and the layout of roads, security barricades, etc, around the building. File:Parliament House, Canberra.jpg shows the kind of visual obstructions which would block a photo which includes the edges of the grassed slopes and why this is a good angle. Nick-D (talk) 11:41, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Good EV and a quality composition, but I don't like the colouring in the sky on the right side. It looks pretty strange, a little too cyan in parts and it has two waves of discolouration through it. Also, the edges of the frame are a bit soft. The problems aren't too serious, but there is something to be said for exposure blending and stitching and I think this image would have been a lot better if you'd used it. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 11:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Used both (its a stitch and bracketed)... On the edge softness, I suspect that is because I used a rectilinear projection (it is about 100 degrees wide so edge frames were stretched a lot). Could just crop tighter. Noodle snacks (talk) 11:48, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ahh right, it just wasn't spelled out on the image page so I assumed (also based on the visual detail) that it was a single image. It might be worth using a different projection as rectilinear just breaks down if you go too wide, and I don't think that it would warp the perspective too much given that most of the straight lines are near the horizon. Given that you did use exposure blending, I think something went wrong in the sky as per the streaks. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 13:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support This is a gorgeous image, but I think the photo at the angle Nick-D links is more encyclopedic, even given the problems, since this, by necessity, fails to show some of the major architectural elements that makes the building and its setting unique. That said, there's room for both. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 188 FCs served 12:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment My aim for File:Parliament House, Canberra.jpg was to improve on the original image and a shot of the whole front but never for it to be a FP standard on Wikipedia or Commons (It's currently not one and likely not to be one), If anyone wants to make improvements I'll be happy to send/upload (I'll have to find them but shouldn't be too hard) the original images (I think it took 5 or 6 images to stitch this IIRC) under a CC-BY-SA-3.0. I feel this FPC is the best photograph to be a FP (I'll post my vote during the week sometime). Bidgee (talk) 13:59, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support as per Shoemaker's Holiday. The picure Nick D mentioned shows a significant portion of the building that gets cut off in this photo, plus the nighttime setting makes it somewhat otherworldly looking. A great photo, and I'm not sure how you'd do better (save maybe an aerial photo?), with significant EV. Staxringold talkcontribs 13:55, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose based on colouration problems in the sky. If these can be fixed, I might support. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 14:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. You say detailed, but not many pixels are spent on the actual subject. --Dschwen 22:18, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn I see the issue Diliff is referring to, but I don't have time to restitch in the immediate future. --Noodle snacks (talk) 05:30, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted - withdrawn by nominator. --jjron (talk) 07:55, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Red Deer in Longford River

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Original - The Longford River viewed from Hampton Hill High Street.
Reason
It has quite a few pixels, is our only picture of this particular canal and has deer to give it scale and illustrate water depth. Plus someone came to my talkpage and said they liked it within hours of it going up, so I thought I'd see what the FPC crowd thought of it
Articles this image appears in
Hampton Hill & Longford River
Creator
Jonathan Cardy
  • Also like to add, that the placement of this picture on the two linked pages adds no value to those articles and should probably be removed. It's not a great representation of the river or the species. Seems like the picture placement (done today as well on both pages) was just done to meet the requirement it be used in an article for a FP nomination. — raeky (talk | edits) 21:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, its currently our only shot taken in Hampton Hill and does show a stretch of the boundary. But I probably need to source and then write something about the link between Hampton Hill and deer to illustrate the EV of that. Jonathan Cardy (talk) 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Ceran, yes it would be easy to to take another photo of the same locale, and I've plenty of photos of deer in the Hampton Hill end of Bushy Park. But I've only once previously seen a deer in the water, and though they arent the subject they do give a neat illustration of how shallow the Longford is; which is relevant to it being a canal to transport water as opposed to the many more recent canals of a similar width during the canal building era which were built for barge transport. As for the sharpness, I suspect that means that the FPC standards are beyond the limitations of my current photography skill and equipment. Jonathan Cardy (talk) 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 09:10, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Arkansas State Capitol

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Original - The Arkansas State Capitol in Little Rock, Arkansas.
Reason
Large resolution, handsome composition, obvious EV in article.
Articles this image appears in
Arkansas State Capitol
Creator
Daniel Schwen
Well, I can't assume to know the artistic preferences of the original photographer, but I did find this blurb, which may or may not explain the apparent curvature: "It's not the kind of thing you'll notice unless somebody points it out to you, but the foundation of the State Capitol is tilted. The original plan was to have the building face squarely down 5th Street so that a visitor approaching on Capitol Avenue would be impressed by the architectural majesty of the building. But as sometimes happens with public projects things go awry from the very beginning and the foundation was laid about nine degrees off square."
OK, interesting titbit, but a tilt and a curve aren't the same thing. --jjron (talk) 08:00, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's a pano, so it's a really funky projection. Unencyclopedic, even. Oppose. MER-C 10:42, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
It's a pano, so it's a really funky projection. Unencyclopedic, even. With the amount of panoramic images that have been promoted on this page I cannot think of an appropriate response to this statement that could not be interpreted as a personal attack. I'll just give up. --Dschwen 01:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Like so? Trust me I walked around plenty in front of this building to find the best possible angle. front-on isn't it. --Dschwen 23:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Looking at the map it shouldn't need a cylindrical projection. Noodle snacks (talk) 11:14, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Surprised to see this here. It is not using a cylindrical projection, it uses a spherical (equirectangular) projection. The alternative is rectilinear, but that distorts the proportions on the sides. I wonder what map you base your assessment on? There is no way to gain more distance from the subject. I made a conscious choice with the projection to get the most natural looking representation. You can either believe me that I succeeded, or.. ..I guess not. --Dschwen 22:26, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Google maps. What are you surprised to see? Complaints about an unnecessarily misleading image? There does seem to be a vantage point across the road somewhere: [4], [5], [6]. If you didn't have access then a shot is clearly possible at street level: [7], [8]. I'd suggest a restitch. Noodle snacks (talk) 00:18, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Surprised to see it nominated here. Well, thank you for your suggestion, but given that this image is already featured on three other projects I think I stick with this version. Which incidently is what I think the best option in any case. --Dschwen 01:47, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support – not that it makes much difference as it looks to have run out of time, but this only lacks a caveat on the image page to explain the distortion created by the projection; something like the {{autostitch}} template. We should always add that to panos, IMO. I really like this shot and with that caveat it has huge EV. --mikaultalk 22:12, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is already mentioned in the description. And: sheeesh Autostitch?! Are you trying to insult me ;-)? I added the {{Hugin}} template to clarify further. --Dschwen 17:21, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Of course not, I was trying to insult you by suggesting you mark your image as distorted ;-)~ My (badly-made) point is that, for all panos, merely pointing out that a pic stitched isn't enough to explain to a viewer why the fairly rectilinear building he saw on holiday appears curved in the encyclopedia. It's obvious to a few but not to many, that certain projections produce distorted thumbnail views, ie the image must be viewed in a particular way to properly appreciate it. It's not just buildings; describing this recently promoted image as "360º pano" isn't enough to explain to most viewers that the tarn is on the walkers' right as they ascend to the peak. Pointing out the need to horizontally scroll it (at least) or use a pano viewer (ideally) isn't just a courtesy, it reveals immense envcyclopedic value. It's unfair to single out your image in this way of course. Cross-posting to talk. --mikaultalk 20:40, 15 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Nice pano, distortion is inevitable (heck even our eyes do it). The trees do block out quite a bit of the building though, any chance of removing them, take another set of photos, and then reattach them :p? --antilivedT | C | G 03:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 09:11, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Hypholoma fasciculare

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Original - The mushroom Hypholoma fasciculare, commonly known as the sulfur tuft or clustered woodlover.
Reason
Excellent example of species showing typical growth habit, and high enough resolution to show cap and stem surface details. The busted off cap also offers a glimpse into the gill structure and attachment, and flesh color.
Articles this image appears in
Hypholoma, Hypholoma fasciculare
Creator
Jörg Hempel, German wiki user LC-de

Not promoted (no quorum) --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 09:12, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


John Quincy Adams

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Original - John Quincy Adams during his final hours of life after his collapse in the United States Capitol during a vote in 1848. Pencil drawing made in the capitol rotunda by Arthur Joseph Stansbury, digitally restored.
 
Not for voting unrestored original file.
Reason
John Quincy Adams was the youngest of the statesmen who participated in the American Revolution; he accompanied diplomatic missions as a teenager. After his term as president he served nearly two decades in the House of Representatives until he collapsed from a stroke while voting in 1848. He was too weak to be moved from the building so he lingered for two days before dying. This pencil drawing was made during those final hours. A difficult restoration from a badly faded and stained original, and if it isn't saying too much--the thought kept coming to mind that the living memory of the revolution was fading with those closing eyes. Restored version of File:John Quincy Adams drawing.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
John Quincy Adams
Creator
Arthur Joseph Stansbury
  • This is the only president who served in Congress after his presidency. He even collapsed while voting and died in the Capitol. A memorable way to go, particularly for the very last of the revolutionaries. Durova299 19:21, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, but this picture doesn't really convey any of that. Maybe it's interesting to see what he looked like after a cerebral hemorrhage, but I don't think this really adds anything to the article. It's the same debate we've had a few times before (Jackie Kennedy wedding picture stands out in my mind). I just can't see how this satisfies criterion 5. Makeemlighter (talk) 02:01, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:John Quincy Adams drawing2.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 08:04, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Pegesimallus sp robberfly

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Original - Pegesimallus sp robberfly with a captured beetle.
Reason
Good quality, EV. Also IMO lots of wow
Articles this image appears in
Beetle, Asiloidea, Dasypogoninae, List of feeding behaviours, Insectivore
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim

Promoted File:Pegesimallus sp robberfly.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 08:05, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Mussels

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Original - Marine blue mussel, Mytilus edulis, showing some of the inner anatomy. The white posterior adductor muscle is visible in the upper image, and has been cut in the lower image to allow the valves to open fully.
Reason
High EV. Some people eat these.
Articles this image appears in
Mussel, Mytilus edulis
Creator
Rainer Zenz
Comment I linked it on Mytilus edulis, seemed more appropriate for the species than the previous image of a shell on the beach. Not sure the quality is there though for a FP though. — raeky (talk | edits) 21:51, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Miesmuscheln-2.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 10:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Bromine

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Original - The chemical element bromine, purity 99.8%, amount ~2g, sealed in a colorless borosilicate glass vial (ampoule), sealed in a acrylic cube; cube edge length is 5 cm. Bromine is a dark reddish-brown liquid and a lighter-colored red-brown vapor.
Reason
High res, EV, meets criteria, looks cool.
Articles this image appears in
Bromine
Creator
Alchemist-hp at the German Wikipedia
Ok, done. Sasata (talk) 16:05, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think everyone will safely assume the container is clear. The important distinction is to indicate that the color difference is due to different states (light = gas, dark = liquid). Cacophony (talk) 12:32, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Bromine vial in acrylic cube.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 10:46, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Silver crystal

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Original - A synthetically made silver crystal showing a multi-branching surface pattern called dendrites.
Reason
Large resolution, focus-stacked for clarity, definite "wow", scale included for extra EV.
Articles this image appears in
Silver, Dendrite (crystal)
Creator
Alchemist-hp at the German Wikipedia

Promoted File:Silver crystal.jpg--Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 10:46, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Chlorophyllum rhacodes

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Original - The "shaggy parasol" mushroom, species Chlorophyllum rhacodes, with cap not yet opened.
Reason
Clearly shows characteristic cap and stem surface details, meets all FPC requirements that I can see.
Articles this image appears in
Chlorophyllum rhacodes, Chlorophyllum
Creator
Jörg Hempel, German wiki user LC-de

Promoted File:Chlorophyllum rhacodes LC0093.jpg--Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 10:47, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Quartz var. Smokey

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Original - Quartz var. Smokey from Morella, Victoria
Reason
Good Illustration for a Quartz Variety. Might need a crop, not sure.
Articles this image appears in
Quartz
Creator
Noodle snacks
Yes! That's what I thought when I saw it, :-) It also reminded me of a turtle, a bit, but that would have to be a pretty funky turtle, :-o Maedin\talk 18:28, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: There is an area that looks too strongly white and somewhat over-exposed, just to the upper right of the right-most part of the quartz. Can this be toned down, please? In thumbnail, it looks like a patch of overexposure. Apologies if I'm being hideously picky, but . . . studio conditions, right? Maedin\talk 19:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Quartz var. Smokey from Morella, Victoria.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 20:21, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Azurite

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Original - Azurite (Cu3(CO3)2(OH)2), Burra Mine, South Australia.
Reason
An interesting copper mineral. Azurite is used as pigment.
Articles this image appears in
Azurite
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Azurite, Burra Mine, South Australia.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 20:22, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Belfast, 1890s

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Original - Royal Avenue, Belfast. Photochrom print circa 1890-1900.
Reason
During the nineteenth century Belfast became the largest and most industrialized city in Ireland. Street scene from the 1890s shows development at the century's end. Restored version of File:Royal Avenue Belfast.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
History of Belfast, Ulster#Industrialisation.2C_Home_Rule_and_partition, County_Antrim#History
Creator
Detroit Publishing Co.

Promoted File:Royal_Avenue_Belfast2.jpg --Ottava Rima (talk) 20:48, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Pride and Prejudice

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Original - Elizabeth Bennet reveals what she has discovered about Darcy's goodness to her father, as Jane Austen's Pride and Prejudice nears its romantic conclusion.
Reason
A lovely early engraving for Pride and Prejudice, a novel that probably needs little introduction. Jane Austen is particularly poorly illustrated on Wikipedia, so I was delighted to find this.
For the record, this is one of two engravings in this edition. Collectively, they are the first illustrations of the characters of Pride and Prejudice.[9] I messed up the scan of the other one - it's teeny-tiny - so I'll have to go back to the library in a couple days.
The original scan is here.
Articles this image appears in
Pride and Prejudice, Elizabeth Bennet
Creator
William Greatbatch and George Pickering

Promoted File:Pickering_-_Greatbatch_-_Jane_Austen_-_Pride_and_Prejudice_-_She_then_told_him_what_Mr._Darcy_had_voluntarily_done_for_Lydia.jpg --Ottava Rima (talk) 20:46, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Our New 'First Lord' at Sea

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Original - (reusing old caption but with grammar fixes) There was some surprise when William Henry Smith was promoted to First Lord of the Admiralty by Britain's Queen Victoria. Certainly, he was well know since he was the owner of the WH Smith chain of newsagents and booksellers, and he had served ten years as a politician. Of naval experience, he had none. Gilbert and Sullivan would satirise him mercilessly in H.M.S. Pinafore. However, the satire began before this: this Punch cartoon was created soon after his promotion and set the pattern for later satire against Smith.
Reason
The previous nomination here failed because people deemed it just a "cartoon". This "cartoon" was one of the most famous types of cartoons and was the pinnacle of political satire. Not only does it deal with a very serious event in British history, but that event has been immortalized in such items as the H. M. S. Pinafore. 18th and 19th century British lit is my subject area, as you can see on my user page. I stand by the notability and importance of images like this, and that is why I am renoming this image.
Articles this image appears in
H. M. S. Pinafore, William Henry Smith (politician), Punch (magazine)
Creator
John Tenniel, original uploader and nominator Adam Cuerden
Caption was a little long in the original, so I trimmed out a line (', with a character given a lengthy song satirising Smith's life that ended: "Stick close to your desks, and never go to sea / And you all may be rulers of the Queen's Navee!" and which gave him the nickname "Pinafore Smith"') along with a few minor changes. Ottava Rima (talk) 20:15, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Our New First Lord at Sea.png --wadester16 03:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Zuni drying platform

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Original - A Zuni drying platform for maize and other foods, with two women crafting pottery beneath it. Photographed at the Panama-California Exposition, San Diego, California. January 1915.
Reason
A 1915 photograph of a Zuni maize drying platform and women crafting pottery. Restored version of File:Zuni exhibit 1915.jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Zuni#Zuni_life, Puebloan_peoples#Culture
Creator
Panama-California Exposition
  • Support as nominator --Durova298 16:31, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Would a contemporary (higher quality and colour) version not be possible or have practises changed? 16:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
    • In general, when the aim is to document traditional practices then period material is preferable to modern recreations. This is high quality photography for its era. Durova298 16:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • But if the traditional practise is still the current practise then surely a photograph of it wouldn't be a recreation? Guest9999 (talk) 19:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • It's not going to be the traditional practice exactly. It'll resemble it, but people generally will take advantage of things that save a lot of work, even if they choose to live in a roughly traditional fashion (And, I will remind everyone, there is no evidence yet provided they do use anything like this traditional structure in the modern day). Shoemaker's Holiday Over 187 FCs served 01:58, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support authentic material of a naive American culture ... highly valuable GerardM (talk) 20:03, 10 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A somewhat unfortunate typos there :P Sabine's Sunbird talk 03:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as I said above. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 187 FCs served 02:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for historical value, though there are some slightly blurred areas. Staxringold talkcontribs 14:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I don't agree this is top quality photography for 1915. Ansel Adams was producing top quality photography just five years later, for example. He would have shuddered at this one, which looks to have been overexposed as a negative, blowing out all the upper midtones; it was exposed well for the shadows, which still show good detail and contrast. Had this been an authentic scene and not part of an exposition, it might have gained some mitigation for EV, but I'm not convinced it's irreplaceable nor meets the standards we expect. --mikaultalk 23:22, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Quality isn't great, but it's probably passable. I'm not so sure about the EV, though. The article placement deals with art, specifically pottery. That's only a very small part of this picture, and the pottery work isn't depicted that clearly. If this were used in an article talking about the actual maize drying, I'd probably be inclined to support. Makeemlighter (talk) 02:20, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree with the above, at the moment the value it adds to the articles it is in is limited as the drying platform isn't discussed at all and the pottery work isn't particularly well depicted. The image is definitely interesting and valuable to the encyclopaedia but I don't think it's among the best we have. Guest9999 (talk) 23:14, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per mikaul. Cacophony (talk) 04:26, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted No consensus --wadester16 03:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Dunleary, Co. Dublin, Ireland

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Original - The present town of Dún Laoghaire (or Dunleary) dates from the 1820. In 1807, two ships leaving Dublin crashed on the rocks between Dún Laoghaire and Blackrock, with 400 lives lost. This leant force to a movement to build a new harbour for Dublin, and in 1816, funding was procured and the construction began. The town-under-construction was renamed to Kingstown after a visit by King George IV in 1821. This harbour caused development of the area to vastly increase, railway lines were created connecting the town to Dublin, and it soon became a fashionable suburb. This image shows Dún Laoghaire, still known as Kingstown at the time, while still in its full Victorian glory.
Reason
Dunleary (then Kingstown; and also known by its Gaelic spelling, Dún Laoghaire) was hit by a bomb in WWII, which, of course, rather changes the view.
A version of this - it's had more work applied since then - ran a month ago, but - well, let's just say it was under highly confusing circumstances, and, while not opposed, it didn't reach a quorum.
Also, the colours are typical of those gotten from then-contemporary methods of tinting photographs: Not exactly natural, but making a good effort in that direction. For natural colours, you needed to use artistic methods, such as paintings and lithographs, which couldn't be done with a photograph without merely using the photograph as the springboard for art.
Articles this image appears in
Dún Laoghaire
Creator
Detroit Publishing Co.
  • But isn't the subject matter/EV what is displayed, not the print itself? I understand why one would not edit the words out of this picture for example, as it is part of the EV of the image, but here it doesn't seem to be. I trust your judgment infinitely more than my own in these matters, just seems odd. Staxringold talkcontribs 15:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well, I don't like doing edits unless they either represent fixing aging and damage, or fixing a failed aspect of the clear artistic intent - e.g., if the woodblocks that make up a woodblock engraving were glued together badly, it may be reasonable to fill in the gaps, since the artistic intent was not to include those lines. In this case, though, the caption was included as part of the photocrom itself, so removing it seems a little dodgy. I'll think about it, and might do an alt. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 188 FCs served 15:30, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:The harbour in Kingstown, Co. Dublin, Ireland, in about 1895 - Option 2.jpg --wadester16 03:22, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Dubai construction workers

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Original - Construction workers, during their lunch break on the top floor of Angsana Tower
 
Not for voting - version with corrected perspective and cropped. Construction workers, during their lunch break on the top floor of Angsana Tower
Reason
Great encyclopedic and historical value, good quality picture.
Articles this image appears in
Human rights in the United Arab Emirates Human rights in Dubai
Creator
Piotr Zarobkiewicz
  • Support as nominator --Piotr Zarobkiewicz (talk) 20:20, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It doesn't substantially contribute to the articles linked above, and reveals nothing about the subject of human rights in Dubai. It isn't even included in the article Human rights in Dubai. The picture does not reveal much about what being a construction work involves, or what they are constructing. They occupy a very small part of the picture, and some of their faces are either blurred or obscured. Everything else is at a weird angle, and the rope is distracting. Two distracting reflections of the photographer are visible on the left of the picture. The workers' obvious interest in the photographer ruins the documentary value of the picture. NotFromUtrecht (talk) 21:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per comment above. Remains to be said this is a quality image, I like it, cool self-portrait too ;) just not a good illustration of the activities and concepts its supposed to represent here. --mikaultalk 22:21, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yes, it's a great view. It would be nice to see some shots looking out over the parapet. I suppose that it might even be possible to crop this image (and perhaps change the perspective too) in order to turn the view into something that had a lot of encyclopedic value. NotFromUtrecht (talk) 22:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Backdrop with Burj Dubai is fantastic, but the fact that the workers are just sitting around in a posed position takes a lot away from its potential EV. I would have preferred to see them actually doing some construction work in this picture. Also, that rope is VERY distracting. -- mcshadypl TC 03:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. MER-C 08:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as per above. Also at full res view everything appears stretched sideways (unless they all have very wide faces). Gazhiley (talk) 08:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn I see all the issues, can't do much about it. I added however a version with corrected perspective and cropped (as per NotFromUtrecht ). Piotr Zarobkiewicz 09:45, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • It's a shame about all the opposes, because it's a great image and I don't want to take anything away from it. I think the basic problem is that it is much better photojournalistic, editorial sort of image than it is encyclopaedic. It's unfortunately the sort of photo you're more likely to see in National Geographic than Encyclopaedia Britannica. As such, it has limited EV but I'm still glad to have viewed it. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 15:44, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yep, I like this image (not the so called "corrected" perspective version, that is... ...yuck!). It tells a story, and the foreground complements the cvast city scape with the gigantic Burj Daubai in the bg. Also I disagree about the rope being distracting. --Dschwen 16:33, 13 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted - Withdrawn by nominator --jjron (talk) 06:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Pauliyas Hongkong

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File:Pauliyas Hongkong.jpg
Original - Skyline of Hong Kong Island from Victoria Harbour, with North Point to the left and Central to the right
 
Not for voting. Image by User:Diliff. Just uploaded this - it'd been in my 'to stitch' box for the last 18 months.
Reason
Adds value. Is a featured picture on the Turkish Wikipedia too.
Articles this image appears in
Hong Kong, Panorama, Victoria Harbour, Architecture of Hong Kong, List of tallest buildings in Hong Kong, Portal:Capitalism
Creator
Pauliyas

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 195 FCs served 05:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Australian Magpie Juvinile

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Original - Australian Magpie (Cracticus tibicen tibicen) juvinile, Australian National Botanic Gardens, Canberra, Australia
 
Alt - side on
Reason
I need to give some feedback on GLAM-WIKI, since it'd be of interest to many people here, but I don't have time atm.
Articles this image appears in
Australian Magpie
Creator
Noodle snacks
  • I disagree that all birds should be posed in the same way - it gets boring. I think it depends of the species and circumstances and I like some face on photos (the whistling duck one is my wallpaper right now). Also I want to take issue with you was the suggestion that "Least Concern" conservation status - or any conservation status, has any relevance to ease of photography. Least concern does not always imply common and even if it did common does not imply easy to photograph. Now this species is both common and bold as brass, but that isn't implied by its status. Sabine's Sunbird talk 22:34, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I apologize about the conservation status, my point was simply this is a reasonably common and easy species to photograph (as you note) so it's not unreasonable to ask for more detail. And I'm not saying all birds should follow a set style, but that this style of photo leaves out a great many details about the bird of high EV (shape of the body, tail, etc). Staxringold talkcontribs 22:49, 11 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt. It's a much better picture, IMO. Perhaps it doesn't display the juvenile plumage differences, ok, then it's just a FP for the general article. Staxringold talkcontribs 13:39, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. Agreed that the alt is a better image as a frontal of a bird is a bit awkwawrd, but I just get the feeling that given a bit of time, you'll get a better composition than either of these. It would be nice to see the pose of the alt with the background of the original, for example. These are good, but not quite special enough IMO. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 15:51, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support original – just a bit of motion blur short of full support. I'd very much like to see an explanation of the correct angle to shoot a bird (or any autonomous 3D object) from... especially for common species, we have more opportunity to record and illustrate them from differing angles. Look at any twitcher's manual and there are always different angles, depending on specific identifiers. This juvenile plumage is something I'd never seen before and carries a lot of EV, IMO. --mikaultalk 22:58, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original, contra Staxringold. There is scope to get featured images of both adults and juveniles - and this angle is great for showing the plumage of a young bird. An adult photo can show the side on view (and theer is no shortage of them in the article). Also per my above comments. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:37, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support either. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 193 FCs served 22:09, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Cracticus tibicen tibicen juvenile ANBG.jpg --wadester16 16:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oh and just so everyone knows, I ignored Staxringold's original weak oppose, as it was superseded by a support, even if that was for the alt. wadester16 16:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not bothered by the decision you came to, but I don't think you should have ignored his weak oppose, because to me it sounded like he specifically voted support only for the alt, and didn't show any support for the original. As such, if you were to consider promoting the original, the support would be discounted and the weak oppose remains. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 18:05, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



The Story of the Mikado - Frontispiece

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Original - Alice B. Woodward's frontispiece to The Story of the Mikado (1921), W. S. Gilbert's last literary work: a posthumously-published retelling of the plot of The Mikado for children.
 
Not for voting - For the record, this is why a slight blurring is much to be desired for Wikipedia use. The one with the slight blur applied does not develop the patterns seen here when thumbnailed.
Reason
Alice B. Woodward is a major children's artist, The Story of the Mikado is W. S. Gilbert's last literary work, and it's based on Gilbert and Sullivan's most successful opera, The Mikado. Combined, this makes for a lot of encyclopedic value.
This image is taken from a scan of the first edition, and, yes, there is half-toning. However, this is, as I said, from the first edition. As she is in copyright in her home country, it is unlikely that any better copy will become available in at least the next twelve years.
This image has had some cleanup applied, and a slight Gaussian blur (2.4px radius), to improve thumbnailing and appearance (see example of what happens if this not done, right). As the unblurred version is also available, this does not limit options for use in any way. The colours have been carefully adjusted against the original.
A JPEG version, File:The Story of the Mikado - Frontispiece.jpg, is also available. If someone wants to apply a swift kick to bugzilla's rear, it's possible that the thumbnails of these might actually look the same eventually, but when I contacted them, the idiots said they culd do it, but declined to, mocked the idea of restoration, and generally showed a remarkable lack of clue. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 188 FCs served 17:14, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Articles this image appears in
Alice B. Woodward, W. S. Gilbert, The Mikado
Creator
Alice B. Woodward
I'll replace it with a different one in her article, however, this is an important scene in the opera (lead-in to "Here's a how-de-doo!", for those following along at home). Shoemaker's Holiday Over 192 FCs served 20:28, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:The Story of the Mikado - Frontispiece.png --wadester16 16:27, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Amethyst

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Original - Amethyst (SiO2). Magaliesburg, South Africa
Reason
Another interesting and notable quartz variety.
Articles this image appears in
Amethyst, Quartz
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Amethyst. Magaliesburg, South Africa.jpg --Makeemlighter (talk) 05:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Malachite, Zaire

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Original - Malachite (CuCO3.Cu(OH)2), Zaire
Reason
Large crystals and the more common smaller ones.
Articles this image appears in
Malachite, Carbonate minerals
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Malachite, Zaire.jpg --jjron (talk) 07:35, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Creedite

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Original - Creedite, A calcium aluminium sulfate fluoro hydroxide mineral with formula: Ca3Al2SO4(F,OH)10·2(H2O)
 
Alt
Reason
To fix systemic bias against orange minerals. Good quality thanks to a deep focus stack.
Articles this image appears in
Creedite
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Creedite 3.jpg --jjron (talk) 07:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Acraea eponina

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Original - Acraea eponina pictured in Kibaha, Tanzania.
Reason
A very skittish and small butterfly and the difficult of photographing it can be seen buy the few if any (other than this) good quality pictures in the article. This is of both good quality and EV
Articles this image appears in
Heliconiinae, Acraea (genus), Acraeini
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 197 FCs served 09:27, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



File:Derwent Water, Keswick - June 2009.jpg

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Original - A wide panorama of Derwent Water as viewed from the northern shore near Keswick in Cumbria, England
Reason
It's a very aesthetic and interesting view of Derwent Water in the Lake Distict. There is plenty of detail, dramatic lighting and important aspects of the lake are visible, including the pier, glacier-carved mountains surrounding it, a little island on the lake and the ducks and geese that inhabit the lake.
Articles this image appears in
Derwent Water
Creator
User:Diliff

Promoted File:Derwent Water, Keswick - June 2009.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 197 FCs served 09:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



LOLKeats

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Original - An illustration of John Keats' Ode on Indolence.
Reason
It provides a compelling, modern way to illustrate a poem with few other possibilities for illustration. The main person working on Ode on Indolence encouraged its nomination.
Articles this image appears in
Ode on Indolence - Limited time offer!
Creator
Based on an image by Commons:User:Simplicius

Have Not Promoted File:LOLKeats.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 197 FCs served 11:01, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 08:27, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Crab-eating Macaque

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Original - A Crab-eating Macaque (Macaca fascicularis) monkey eating peanuts. Pictured in Bangalore, India
Reason
My first picture from India. Good quality, EV and wow. Pretty interesting as well. Could replace the current taxobox image in monkey, but I will leave that to you guys.
Articles this image appears in
Macaque, Crab-eating Macaque, Covance, Macular degeneration, Primate
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim
  • Support as nominator --Muhammad(talk) 09:08, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not commenting on this image yet, but I'd suggest not to put it in the taxobox of monkey - that should be a full body shot (the existing image there isn't ideal either as it shows no tail). --jjron (talk) 13:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Good quality, but I think you may have picked an unfortunate specimen. It's got something seriously wrong with its right eye, and peculiar swellings on its jaw (they're too low to be the peanuts in its mouth). You don't have any photos of a healthy specimen do you? --jjron (talk) 14:05, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I have nominated the image at commons as well and one user who seems knowledgeable about primates said, "A wonderful image of the crab eating macaque. Visible full cheek pouches and that typical alert expression that macaques have. The eye problem is probably macular degeneration, a retinal defect that usually effects adults" --Muhammad(talk) 17:25, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Also, I'm pretty sure the swelling is peanuts as almost all the monkeys had them and they seemed to appear only after the monkeys started eating. --Muhammad(talk) 17:25, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • You're right about the "swelling". Interesting xample of primate foraging behaviour. Sabine's Sunbird talk 19:39, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • That may be correct about the 'cheek pouches'. It would certainly be impossible in a human and monkeys are fairly closely related, but there would be sufficient diversion for that to have evolved. Having said which I would be interested in seeing a good photo of a non-feeding one to see if the associated skin discolouration etc was visible (may have a look around on the net when I've got more time). Regardless, I'd still say the eye makes this less than ideal as a lead image in the monkey articles (and all this should be noted on the image page/captions). --jjron (talk) 00:00, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • On further research the cheek pouches are legit, though couldn't find anywhere that actually gave any detail on size, etc, they just said they existed. So that's actually a plus for EV, though a bit counterbalanced by it not being mentioned in the article, and possibly by the fact it's eating peanuts (couldn't find anywhere that listed these as a natural part of its diet). BTW this has been reverted in Crab-eating Macaque. --jjron (talk) 01:10, 17 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Perhaps this would be a suitable illustration for macular degeneration? J Milburn (talk) 22:53, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - well im gonna support, nothing wrong with the photo, it is very good and i think the monkeys defects may make the picture more useful if it is put in articles like the one suggested above --Childzy ¤ Talk 23:15, 16 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral High quality photo. This species was common and easy to photograph in Malaysia when I was there, so I feel justified in being a little fussy. The other common name is the "Long-tailed Macaque" hence I think we are missing out without the tail in the shot. The face swelling etc is interesting though. Seems like Macular degeneration might not be the right term for what is going on with the eye. Noodle snacks (talk) 08:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This image has been removed from macular degeneration by an IP claiming that symptoms do not appear on the exterior of the eye. A quick skim of the article and symptoms does seem to confirm this. Though I am by no means an ophthalmologist. wadester16 15:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 198 FCs served 12:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Glenn Branca

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Original - Avant-garde no wave electric guitarist and composer, Glenn Branca.
Reason
A high resolution image. A fascinating portrait when viewed in detail, universally representing its artistic subject.
Articles this image appears in
Glenn Branca
Creator
Uploaded by DanKassem. Courtesy of the Hallwell's archive.

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 198 FCs served 12:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



An Ideal Husband

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Original - Scene from Oscar Wilde's 1895 play An Ideal Husband: Lord Goring confronts the blackmailer Mrs. Cheveley about a bracelet she had stolen, forcing her to agree to end her blackmail scheme or be arrested for its theft. From a 1901 collected edition of Wilde's work.
Reason
An Ideal Husband is certainly one of Oscar Wilde's major plays, with multiple film adaptations, but, hitherto, no illustration. However, this photogravure print is an excellent illustration of a key scene, and serves the purpose amply
Articles this image appears in
An Ideal Husband
Creator
Uncredited, my researches failed to find any leads.

Promoted File:Oscar Wilde - An Ideal Husband - You brute! You coward!.jpg --Ottava Rima (talk) 14:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Canna hybrida

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Original - Canna hybrid flowers at different stages and foliage. Pictured in Kilimanjaro, Tanzania
Reason
Previosuly nominated , it was withdrawn due to some id concerns. Since then, I have written to a botanist and the plant was identified as a Canna hybrida. There was some discussion as to whether it should be the taxobox image of Canna (plant) and by consensus it was deemed so. And oh, Good quality and EV is also good as it shows the flowers in different stages
Articles this image appears in
Canna (plant)
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim

Promoted File:Canna sp.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 198 FCs served 14:30, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


The Canterville Ghost

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Original - Illustration by Wallace Goldsmith for Oscar Wilde's The Canterville Ghost. In this parody, a family of Americans takes over a haunted English country house, and utterly fail to be frightened at the spectre's attempts to scare them - but do manage to prank and play practical jokes on the titular ghost. This illustrates theresults of a butter slide - a once-popular but rather dangerous practical joke - set up by the twin boys in one of their pranks.
Reason
A fine image, capturing the humour of the story. I believe this is a photogravure image, though it could be a similar process I'm not familiar with. The text in question appears in chapter 4:

Still, in spite of everything, he was not left unmolested. Strings were continually being stretched across the corridor, over which he tripped in the dark, and on one occasion, while dressed for the part of 'Black Isaac, or the Huntsman of Hogley Woods,' he met with a severe fall, through treading on a butter-slide, which the twins had constructed from the entrance of the Tapestry Chamber to the top of the oak staircase. This last insult so enraged him, that he resolved to make one final effort to assert his dignity and social position, and determined to visit the insolent young Etonians the next night in his celebrated character of 'Reckless Rupert, or the Headless Earl.'

Articles this image appears in
The Canterville Ghost
Creator
Wallace Goldsmith


Promoted File:Wallace Goldsmith - Oscar Wilde - Canterville Ghost - He met with a severe fall.jpg --Ottava Rima (talk) 14:18, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Gawthorpe Hall, Padiham

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Original - Gawthorpe Hall is an Elizabethan house situated southeast of the small town of Padiham, in the borough of Burnley, Lancashire, England. It was originally a pele tower, a strong square structure built in the 14th century as a defence against the invading Scots. Around 1600 a Jacobean mansion was dovetailed around the pele but todays hall was a result of the 1850 re-design of the house by Sir Charles Barry who eventually went on to design the Houses of Parliament.
Reason
A good composition showing a classical piece of British architecture which adds substantially to the article. Many issues have been addressed from since the previous nomination. Also has a good caption indicating its importance and history.
Articles this image appears in
Burnley, Gawthorpe Hall, Sir Charles Barry
Creator
Childzy
 
Previous Nom, not for voting

Promoted Image:Gawthorpe new.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 198 FCs served 14:31, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


The Coronation of Napoleon

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Original - One of the most famous Imperial coronation ceremonies was that of Napoleon, crowning himself Emperor in the presence of Pope Pius VII (who had blessed the regalia), at the Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris.
The painting by David commemorating the event is equally famous: the gothic cathedral restyled style Empire, supervised by the mother of the Emperor on the balcony (a fictional addition, while she had not been present at the ceremony), the pope positioned near the altar, Napoleon proceeds to crown his then wife, Joséphine de Beauharnais as Empress.
 
Alternative 1 - Colour balance adjusted against Mikhail's alternative shot.
Reason
Here we have one of the most famous Imperial coronation ceremonies every painted: that of Napoleon, crowning himself Emperor. This famous image appears with a large number of history texts that discuss Napoleons rise to the throne and was twice featured in my studies of the time period. I was rather suprised to find that such a well known image had never been nominated for FP status on Wikipedia, so I decided to do the nominating myself. The image is large and as noted above is historically famous, though I leave it to our contributors to determine its worth as an FPC. TomStar81 (Talk) 04:02, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Articles this image appears in
Jacques-Louis David, Emperor, 1804, Crown of Napoleon, Sign of contradiction, Universal power, The Coronation of Napoleon
Creator
Jacques-Louis David


Promoted File:Jacques-Louis David, The Coronation of Napoleon edit.jpg --Ottava Rima (talk) 14:17, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Australian Parliament House

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Original - The front architecture of Australia's Parliament House, Canberra, built into Capital Hill. Image includes the forecourt and main entrance, and illustrates a ground level view of the boomerang shaped design of the building
 
Edit1 - Adjusted levels per some comments suggesting original had slight underexposure; I don't mind either, probably slight preference to original
Reason
NS's recent nom down the page reminded me to upload my own Parliament House pano. Now he has withdrawn his I may as well put mine up here. Reasons as per his nom, but additionally this shows the full extent of the front of the building, and though his is eye-catching, I personally feel the day time lighting here is more realistic and conveys greater EV.
Articles this image appears in
Parliament House, Canberra
Creator
jjron

Closer comment: Not sure which version to promote. Can everyone clarify? Shoemaker's Holiday Over 197 FCs served 09:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

As I said on the Edit caption I don't mind either, but perhaps a slight pref to the original. For the record, I added the edit before Alchemist's vote, so all after that had the choice (sorry, I forgot to add a comment at the time). --jjron (talk) 13:44, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Parliament House, Canberra, Pano jjron 25.9.2008-edit1.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 198 FCs served 14:32, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fontainebleau palace

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Original - Panoramic view (~200°) of the main court and facade of the Palace of Fontainebleau, residence of Napoleon I of France
Reason
Probably the only way to show the facade and main court of the castle.
Articles this image appears in
Palace of Fontainebleau
Creator
Eusebius

I've taken the liberty of suspending this for the moment to allow for re-stitching. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 198 FCs served 23:44, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Well, please don't. Let it get declined, I'll renominate when/if there is a re-stitched version. --Eusebius (talk) 07:42, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted per wishes of creator. --jjron (talk) 08:22, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Modern Jug Band

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Original - A jug band is a band employing a mix of traditional and home-made instruments.These home-made instruments are ordinary objects adapted to or modified for making of sound, like the washtub bass, washboard, spoons, stovepipe and comb & tissue paper (kazoo)
 
Or - A jug band is a band employing a mix of traditional and home-made instruments.These home-made instruments are ordinary objects adapted to or modified for making of sound, like the washtub bass, washboard, spoons, stovepipe and comb & tissue paper (kazoo).
Reason
The only high resolution image of a jug band. The image clearly depicts a jug player.
Articles this image appears in
Jug band
Creator
the creator of the image Two+two=4
The jug player is the girl. She was the one, who played different jug (home-made) instruments including a chain in the alternative image.She has also used thimbles (look at her fingers in the original image)--Two+two=4 (talk) 16:51, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that you're probably taking the more liberal use of the word 'jug' to mean any homemade instrument, but the image isn't particularly good at illustrating the article when Jug (musical instrument) doesn't actually mention anything else except a literal jug. It just seems to confuse more than explain IMO. At the very least, the caption needs to spell out clearly that there is no literal jug and that jug in this case means the washboard. Even then, I would say the EV is a little weak for that fact. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 19:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The image is used in the article jug band which does mention a washboard in particular:
"A jug band is a band employing a jug player and a mix of traditional and home-made instruments. These home-made instruments are ordinary objects adapted to or modified for making of sound, like the washtub bass, washboard, spoons, stovepipe and comb & tissue paper (kazoo)."
So if somebody is taking more liberal use of the word 'jug' it is not me but rather Wikipedia article.The image is not used in Jug (musical instrument).Jug (musical instrument) was mentioned only in the reason and not in the caption. I took it off from the reason and added more to the caption. --Two+two=4 (talk) 20:39, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
But as you cite, a jug band has a 'jug player' and a mix of traditional and home-made instruments. It clearly says there should be a jug plus other instruments. But there is no jug in the image. That's where I take issue with it being fully representative of a jug band according to the article definition. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 21:04, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I see what you mean now. Please take a look here. As you see a jug is listed in between other homemade instruments. The image I took was put to "Post-Modern Jug Bands" section of the article. This section mentions Washboard jungle. Washboard jungle clearly states that Washboard jungle had only one tune that actually used a jug. That's why I believe it is fair to say that a band that is employing a mix of traditional and home-made instruments is a jug band.--Two+two=4 (talk) 21:38, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I saw what you were intending to mean fairly early on but the point remains that the actual Wikipedia article doesn't spell it out clearly that a jug band doesn't have to have an actual jug. You might well be right, but if it doesn't actually match the article's contents then it will only confuse readers to see a picture of a band that doesn't contain the eponymous jug. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 09:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 200 FCs served 10:18, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Tiled underside of dome of Tomb of Hafez

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Original - A close-up of the underside of the dome over the Tomb of Hafez, a memorial structure erected in memory of the celebrated Persian poet Hafez. The enamelled tiles are arranged to form a complicated geometric and arabesque mosaic.
 
Alternative—created by Mardetanha
Reason
The image is large, and detail is good, and although the quality is slightly lacking at full size, I think it still meets the criteria sufficiently. It is one of the best modern images we have of the tomb of an important Iranian figure, Hafez. I think it's pretty, too . . . does that help? ;-) The main article, Tomb of Hafez, is a new article created at the beginning of June and it appeared on the main page as a DYK, along with this image.
Articles this image appears in
Tomb of Hafez, arabesque, Islamic interlace patterns
Creator
Pentocelo
  • Support as nominator —Maedin\talk 15:19, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Added alternative: Just found another image which is larger, shows more of the structure, highlights the enamelling of the tiles, and is probably better quality. Perhaps this is a good replacement for the original? Maedin\talk 15:35, 18 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Alt looks to be awkwardly composed and/or cropped to me, and possibly suffering from lens distortion, and I find it quite disorienting. --jjron (talk) 07:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've attempted to crop it, but as you say, the composition and angle is awkward, so that doesn't really work! I also didn't find it ideal, but for the mosaic itself it seemed a slight improvement. I'm still more taken with the original though. Maedin\talk 07:47, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose all - subject cut off. Additionally, the alternate is poorly framed. MER-C 08:21, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original good Ev and interesting --Muhammad(talk) 11:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Alt Support Original - The alt. is bad framing framed badly and the framing makes it seem very confusing... although a positive note is you can see the calligraphy that usually accompanies the arabesque style in the alt. I like the original. I agree that it is cut off, but would a change in the caption help? Maybe instead of just saying "The underside of the dome" say something like "a close up of the underside of the dome" and mention something about showing the detail of the tiles or that it is the center of the dome only... Just a thought. I also think it is a nice addition to the arabesque section as this type of tile design is not shown. Zulualpha (talk) 14:38, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks! It's nice to hear something I've said was taken into consideration... I'm pretty new on here and it makes me nervous to post opinions like this, but I figure the worst that can happen is someone has a different view! Zulualpha (talk) 17:48, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Original (oppose alt). wadester16 13:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose all - You wouldnt know it was a roof... --Childzy ¤ Talk 15:05, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose – reluctantly, as I'm a big fan of arabesque art. Getting a good shot of a subject like this is full of "traps" and this one has fallen foul of all of them. There's invariably a kind of organic symmetry that defies camera placement, poor lighting that shows the shape of the work but which additional lighting (like flash) wipes out and a superb use of space that's nigh-on impossible to capture in two dimensions. It can be done well but it hasn't been here. I might have weak supported had detail not been lacking to such an extent that it looks like a watercolour illustration, which judging by the poor crop might have been preferable. Basically, if you attempt to depict patterns and symmetry they should avoid perspective distortion and be framed with at least a vague attempt at squaring up at the edges. Some better examples here show the sort of thing I'm on about. --mikaultalk 06:23, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yep, I suppose it is suffering from a lack of all of those things. The examples you linked to all benefit from being a rather simplistic, easily-captured, square-on sort of tiling. The shape and the position of the dome pretty much excludes doing it to that standard, unless one has mad skills, a panoramic head on a tripod, and the political or moneyed sway to get the tomb removed from the centre of the structure. Not sure how necessary the last one is, but hopefully you get my point. However, as Diliff has said before, not everything is capable of being a featured picture, no matter how much skill and equipment you throw at it. So that's ok, :-) Thank you for explaining your oppose so well! Maedin\talk 07:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Yer welcome! FWIW I think there could well be an FP there, either choosing a slightly less graphic approach [10] or (as you say) get serious and set the same shot up properly. Half the problem is attempting the latter without dedicating the time to it, and it's a really tough shot to get right. --mikaultalk 08:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 200 FCs served 10:18, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Opal from Yowah

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Original - Opal from Yowah, Queensland, Australia
Reason
Difficult to photograph as the faces are polished and hence very reflective.
Articles this image appears in
Opal
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Opal from Yowah, Queensland, Australia 2.jpg



Spider internal anatomy

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Original - Internal anatomy of a female two-lunged spider
Reason
Very high EV, one of the best illustrations on Wikipedia.
Articles this image appears in
Spider anatomy
Creator
Pbroks13 after John Henry Comstock
  • Support as nominator --Kaldari (talk) 15:39, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Still needs some work: the white space between terms and the underline is not consistent (eg. compare digestive tubule with spineret). Where's the pedipalp? Why use "poison fang" instead of "Chelicera"? Why is silk glands in plural (it's only pointing to one). Sasata (talk) 16:26, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The pedipalp and chelicera are external anatomy, not internal. The fang could also be argued to be external, although the inside of it is part of the venom system which is being illustrated. Silk glands is plural to emphasize that there are several different types of silk glands, but I guess this is inconsistant with the other labels. The line spacing seems like a minor issue, IMO. Kaldari (talk) 16:34, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • P.S. Spinneret incorrectly spelled. No coxal gland? What are the radiating lines above the sucking stomach? Sasata (talk) 16:38, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Fixed the spelling of spinneret. We could include the coxal gland, but that area of the diagram is pretty crowded as it is. Since the spider anatomy article doesn't even mention the coxal gland, I don't think it's essential to have in the diagram. The lines above the stomach are the stomach muscles (responsible for the sucking). Some consider them a part of the stomach. Do you think those should be removed? Kaldari (talk) 16:52, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • Odd that the coxal gland is not mentioned in the article, that seems to be a glaring omission. I'll add it in later. IMO the lines should be removed, as they aren't explained and its not obvious what they are.
            • Fixed "silk gland" to be consistant. Kaldari (talk) 17:13, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Also fixed the spacing between the labels and the underlines. Kaldari (talk) 19:49, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
              • Why not just lose the underlines completely? Using underlines like that is pretty unusual, and their thickness seems to vary. I'm also not convinced about the use of 'poison fang' (would perhaps Cheliceral fang be a better compromise?), but distinction between internal and external seems to be getting a bit blurred. Anus is another case in point - I would really regard that as external too, and probably the same with the eye (I guess what part of the eye...). --jjron (talk) 15:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                • The underlines may appear to be different sizes, but they aren't. It's due to the SVG thumbnailing. Regarding what has labels and what doesn't: The main purpose of the diagram is to illustrate the various systems that comprise the internal anatomy of the spider. Some of those systems are connected to the exterior. For example, the anus is part of the digestive system, the eyes are part of the nervous system, the fang is part of the venom system, and the spinnerets are part of the silk production system. Kaldari (talk) 16:06, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
                  • Had opened it 'fullsize' before commenting and still the underlines varied, and regardless can't see why they're there. Yes, I know various systems are connected to the outside, but that's where the inconsistencies come in - for example why would you label the anus but not the mouth? Both have the same relationship between being internal and external... See the labelling on something like this for a comparison that probably has better labelling on a similar diagram (click the 'Digestive tract' link if it doesn't go straight there). --jjron (talk) 13:03, 9 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Still keeping oppose for now, because of the missing internal structures coxal gland, and trachea. Also (not sure about this), since this is a female spider, is it not more accurate to have oviduct rather than gonopore? Shouldn't the aorta be labeled? The label lines are now better, but still not perfect, eg. compare "simple eye" with "book lung": in one the underline starts before the word, in the other it starts after the word. Note how the upward label line butts up against the end of the word "receptacle". The end of "stomach" is hanging over the edge of the label line. I agree these latter points are rather trivial, but it should also be a rather trivial thing to make perfect, which would make the end product look more professional. Sasata (talk) 16:54, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not all spiders have trachea so I'm not sure it needs to be included in the diagram. You are correct that oviduct would be more specific than gonopore. I'll see about changing it and correcting the label lines. Kaldari (talk) 18:10, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral Striking my oppose, as several improvements have been made, but can not switch to support without the diagram having the aorta labeled, the position of the coxal glands indicated, and the slightly sloppy label lines. Sasata (talk) 17:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support Thanks for making those changes ZooFari. Full support if you can remove 22 underlines beneath the labels and instead have the end of the label line point to the same relative position on either the right or left side of the word. It would clean up the image somewhat, and also it would look better at thumbnail size, imo. (p.s. I personally think my sweat glands are _very_ important, but YMMV) Sasata (talk) 20:31, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Nicely done. Sasata (talk) 22:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question Can't interpolation be used in the book lung lines and above the sucking stomach, to be more consistant? ZooFari 16:31, 7 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as an inexperienced wikipedian who knows nothing of spider anatomy, I found it interesting. Propbably could be further improved, but it is a great start and I want to encourage the creator.Lattefever (talk) 20:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)Lattefever[reply]
  • Comment I've taken the liberty of resetting this one in the queue - some good progress seems to be happening on improvements to the SVG, it would seem a shame to cut that short, when it's rapidly improving during its time here. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 189 FCs served 21:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support As long as all the issues that Sasata brought up are dealt with, I'll support this for its huge EV. Makeemlighter (talk) 02:23, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional Support per Makeemlighter. Sasata, would you mind commenting again on this to put to rest any doubts? Just to be certain. Thanks. wadester16 04:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Changes made I took Sasata's consideration and added the Coxal gland. It is located behind the front leg, so I had no choice but to make it transparent. I also made the book lungs more realistic as it was a concern above. As for Sasata's concern about the labels, it is probably worser due to the fact that I had to move some in order to fit the Coxal glands. Other than that, does it meet your desires to support? ZooFari 19:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The coxal gland is just not that important. It's basically the equivalent of a sweat gland in humans. In all the spider anatomy diagrams in all of my books, including Biology of Spiders, The Spider Book, and Invertebrate Zoology (all of which are scholarly works with countless diagrams), the coxal gland is not illustrated once. I really don't think it's worth removing a leg (and associated parts) to show it. Also, I'm afraid the changes to the book lungs did not make them look more realistic. I'll try to scan a sectional photograph of the book lungs tomorrow. If you made them match the book lungs in the original raster diagram, it would be an improvement, specifically, there needs to be an opening to the outside of the body and more open space on the right-hand side above the opening. Also the plates don't extend that far up the lungs. Kaldari (talk) 19:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • A more accurate depiction of the book lungs (based on the photos I've seen) would be something closer to [11] or [12] or [13], although in real life there are more like 100 plates instead of 7 or 8. Kaldari (talk) 19:56, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • I've made the book lungs based on your sources, so hopefully that's better. I removed the underlines as suggested by Sasata and aligned them to certain formats. I'm not sure whether to keep the gland or not, as Sasata seems okay with it. Please work this out so we can close this nomination soon. ZooFari 22:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. A minor correction is needed. Right now, the intestine overlaps the lung, but it should be the other way around, as there are two lungs on either side of the intestine. See the original diagram for reference. I would fix it myself, but I don't know how to without messing up the laying of all the other parts. Kaldari (talk) 02:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose - I have to say that I object to substantially altering the diagram from the original. This is supposed to be a vector version of Comstock's diagram. Comstock, who is probably the most cited archnologist of all time, was aware of the coxal gland and the trachae, as both are discussed in the same book as this diagram, but he chose not to include them in the diagram, probably because neither organ is universal to all spiders. Rather than second-guessing Comstock's decisions, I think we should remain faithful to the original diagram. Kaldari (talk) 02:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • An image is not supposed to resemble only one source. It's like an article not relying on only one reference. ZooFari 04:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • This argument seems spurious. By implication then, Comstock's diagram suggests that all spiders have poison glands, which is of course false (see spider family Uloboridae). Also, I doubt that science was advanced enough for John Henry Comstock (1849-1931) to even realize the true physiological significance of the coxal glands. Sasata (talk) 05:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • In most spiders, the coxal gland has very little, if any, phsyiological significance. It is apparently important in primitive spiders, but vestigial in others. "Glands which open in the coxal segment of the third pair of legs in tarantulas and in some true spiders have been observed; these are termed coxal glands." (Comstock) "In primitive spiders, two pairs of coxal glands open onto the posterior side of the first and third coxae. The Labidognatha [true spiders] have retained only the anterior pair, and even these show gradual stages of regression in the various families. The original type of coxal gland consists of four parts: a saccule, a collecting duct, a labyrinth, and an excretory duct. This type becomes substantially reduced in orb-web spiders, in which a collecting duct is lacking and the labyrinth apparently no longer has an excretory function." (Biology of Spiders, 1996) I would also like to point out that Biology of Spiders includes two diagrams similar to the one above. One shows the entire spider and one shows only the chephalothorax (front half). In neither diagram is the coxal gland shown. As I said before, I've never seen it illustrated in any book, ever, so even if we didn't limit ourselves to Comstock's diagram, I don't know of any other verifiable source that would be referenced in this case. Indeed, how do we even know what the coxal gland looks like? Kaldari (talk) 14:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • FWIW, I would be more open to adding trachae to the diagram, as at least they are legitimately important to a large percentage of spiders (although not all). Additionally they are illustrated in one of the Biology of Spiders diagrams (one showing just the abdomen), so we would have a verifiable source as well. Kaldari (talk) 15:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Too controversial image. Let's make another (safe) selection as FP. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Franklin.vp (talk • contribs) 21:56, August 23, 2009 (UTC)

Promoted File:Spider internal anatomy-en.svg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 200 FCs served 09:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Oil Platform

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Original - The Brazilian oil platform P-51. At full operating capacity, it can produce about 180 thousand barrels of oil and 6 million cubic meters of gas per day. It is a semi-submersible platform (that is, it has enough buoyancy to float) and is shown here being positioned by tugboats.
Reason
Good resolution, composition; good EV for all 3 articles its used in.
Articles this image appears in
Semi-submersible platform, Oil platform, Petrobras
Creator
Divulgação Petrobras on Agencia Brasil
I've fixed the creator. It looks like the license (Creative Commons — Attribution 2.5 Brazil) is ok according to this, no? Sasata (talk) 06:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Further fix on creator. I'll let someone else confirm licensing (it's not my area of interest), but if there's no complaints by closing I suppose we'll assume it's OK. --jjron (talk) 07:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yea, it looks good to me. wadester16 13:23, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Oil platform P-51 (Brazil).jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 200 FCs served 17:54, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Eiffel Tower

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Original - The Eiffel Tower in June, 2009, as seen from the champ de Mars, Paris, France.
Reason
Very high res image of an iconic architectural monument, pleasing composition, high EV.
Articles this image appears in
Eiffel Tower, Tower
Creator
Blieusong (Benh on Commons)
  • Support as nominator --Sasata (talk) 01:01, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. I thought this had been nom'ed before, but it must have been at commons. Time3000 (talk) 10:07, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - is it just me, or is the image tilted slightly to the right? Jauerbackdude?/dude. 11:38, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Looks ok to me, but then i haven't exactly got 20/20 vision! If it is, maybe it's by a degree or two... Maybe a subtle nod by the builder to the tower in piza?! Oh, and support Gazhiley (talk) 14:24, 19 August 2009
      • I got that impression too, but having checked closer I'm almost certain it's not. I think it may be an optical illusion caused by the trees on the right being lower (and shadowy) than those on the left. It is ever so slightly off centre though, which is no biggie. --jjron (talk) 14:27, 19 August 2009 (UTC)(UTC)[reply]
        • Having decided to read up on the tower out of sheer curiosity i find it actually states in the article that the tower moves in the sun so maybe that's also a poss reason for it to look not quite straight... Admitadely only by 18cm but that might give enough movement to show as a very tiny bit off straight... or maybe not... Gazhiley (talk) 08:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Looks pretty good to me. Existing FP for the record, which has been shunted to the Gallery in the Eiffel tower article. Regardless, they're sufficiently different, and this one has better EV. --jjron (talk) 14:38, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • In case one cares, I'd like to say that I did not move that FP down to the gallery (I actually tried to move it back to leading picture once, but some people were concerned by the lack of sharpness). I wouldn't mind to have the existing FP moved back to top page, it is much more beautiful than this trivial shot, and the FP candidate a little bit farther down the page, as per the french version of the article. Blieusong (talk) 20:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not that you were necessarily suggesting so anyway, but I wasn't accusing you of hiding away the existing FP; I noted before voting that you had replaced a similar low res photo with this one in the infobox. FWIW I think this is better in the infobox anyway than the existing FP - as I said in my vote, this has higher EV, and is attractive enough itself for that matter, however, regardless, EV does not necessarily equate with beauty, and we are an encyclopaedia. --jjron (talk) 07:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • This might come from downsampling method used. I'll try to upload another one tomorrow night. I also had a few sources pictures OOF because of defective AF, sadly :'(, which explains (slight) sharpness inconsistencies on this picture, as some may have spotted. Blieusong (talk) 20:02, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • You should really pre-focus and shoot it in manual focus. :-) I don't always do that if I'm being lazy, but it's the safest method. 20:37, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
  • I do that. But my lens front-focuses. This time, for an unknown-to-me reason, my pictures had ended up with sharp lower parts, and blurred upper parts (if I remember right) as if the focal plane rotated. Maybe that was because of my filter ? Fortunately, blending has eliminated most of the blurry parts, but not all of them. Blieusong (talk) 21:20, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I don't want to spam wiki with multiples versions of a file, I've just sent you an email with a link to a new version of the photo. Could you please have a look at it and give me a feedback ? Thanks a lot. Blieusong (talk) 21:21, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support. Probably the best "vanilla" photo of the tower we have. — Jake Wartenberg 16:41, 19 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - great photo, optical illusion and all. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 11:06, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I'm agree with above...--Sabri76'message 12:30, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose-Comment I find this picture well done composed, exposed, and done in general. The problem is just that it is completely uninteresting. Unless you can (magnifying it) see a person killing another among the tourists or something like that this is just another Eiffel tower picture. This topic is a really hard one. How to make an interesting Eiffel-tower picture that is interesting enough to be a FP? I myself wouldn't dare to touch this theme unless the muse of photography kisses me (an Zeus still has to give birth to such a muse) Sorry Frank cheValier on a Pc (talk) 18:12, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • That really isn't a valid reason to oppose based on the criteria though. Sure, there is always going to be the 'x-factor' that influences our votes based on whether the image moves us or not, but you shouldn't vote on a whim based on your own interest in the image, and nor should something extreme but incidental to the subject like a tourist murder justify it being an FPC either! The question that the FPC process essentially asks is: Does it illustrate the subject well and add to the viewer's understanding of the article in which it resides? It shouldn't matter if you find the subject boring or not. Not every viewer will share your apparent prejudice towards it. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 20:51, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sorry for being extreme with the example of the tourist. The thing is that a good picture is not only a sharp color&light balanced picture. Far more important are the content and the presentation of the content. What the author is saying with the picture. Many renowned pictures have even technical defects. My point is that this image is in the album of any tourist owning a fairly good camera, a fairly good lens and a tripod. My point is. This image is not good because it is empty. Nothing is said, suggested, no elaboration on the topic is done by the author. I recon Eiffel's is not an easy topic to treat and this is not a fault of the author. Just as a point of comparison look at the second, 5th, 13rd and 14th in the Eiffel tower page. No spectacular event is happening but the authors took a time to make out of the picture a mental reflection of it. A lot (or at least some more) value is added to the topic through the active participation of the author. Something is said with the picture. Again I admit this is hard to do with this tower, because even these views are nowadays classic and known to many.  Franklin.vp  17:26, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • I think part of the problem is that you've come here with a good understanding of photography generally speaking, but without having spent much time (I assume anyway - perhaps you've been lurking) to observe what the project looks for and what it values in its images. All of what you say is fairly true in the context of critiquing a photo for an audience of photographers, or indeed anyone who appreciates good photography, but what makes a compelling photo to them is not necessarily what makes a photo compelling in the encyclopaedic sense. An encyclopaedic photo shouldn't try to suggest anything. Everything that it illustrates should be as straight-forward and obvious - for the same reason, flowery prose is discouraged in articles. Good aesthetics in an image is a bonus, of course, but sometimes creative photography is to the detriment of encylopaedic value. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 18:53, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Per diliff I think quality encyclopaedic illustrations should be priority number one. Images with "wow" do help make articles more compelling though. Noodle snacks (talk) 10:15, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Great, crystal clear image of the tower. --TorsodogTalk 19:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:Tour Eiffel Wikimedia Commons.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 200 FCs served 19:55, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

SS United States

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Original - The SS United States, currently docked and awaiting preservation and restoration in Philadelphia, PA
Reason
Large picture, original composition, forgotten part of Americana sitting gathering rust in Phillie
Articles this image appears in
SS United States
Creator
Rickyar
  • Oppose Blured, which given that it's been there since 1996 I'm sure we can get a clearer picture. Nice story about it in the article though... Oh, and who nominated it? i can only see creator, not nominator... Gazhiley (talk) 10:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 14:01, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

La Casa Blanca

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Original - A wide angle shot from the inside of "Estadio de Liga Deportiva Universitaria" (also known as "La Casa Blanca") The picture was taken from one of the boxes before the game against San Lorenzo, during the quarter final games of Copa Libertadores 2008, of which LDU eventually became the winner.
Reason
A high quality, descriptive shot, taken the year LDU became the winners of the Copa Libertadores
Articles this image appears in
Estadio de Liga Deportiva Universitaria
Creator
Kerem Ozcan

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 14:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Lakes of Mojanda (Lagunas de Mojanda)

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Original - Panaroma taken in Mojanda Volcanic Lakes, Ecuador
Reason
A High resolution image, that is descriptive of the volcanic lakes of Mojanda. Also one of the few photos taken in Ecuador in Wikipedia
Articles this image appears in
Mojanda
Creator
Kerem Ozcan

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 14:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Estádio do Sport Lisboa e Benfica

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Original - The Estádio da Luz is the home of S.L. Benfica and the largest football stadium of Portugal. Located in the capital Lisbon it was the main venue during the UEFA Euro 2004.
Reason
Quality+EV
Articles this image appears in
S.L. Benfica and Estádio da Luz
Creator
Massimo Catarinella
Those irregularities are the result of the shape of the roof. They are also present in the RAW pictures. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 17:56, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I'll support then. Nicely done. Time3000 (talk) 19:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Another good stadium shot. Nicely done. wadester16 18:57, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support - I'd prefer a more diffuse light source, but otherwise it is high quality. Cacophony (talk) 06:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Really good quality... A shame to have the groundskeepers sitting in the middle of the pitch having what appears to be a picnic (but I'm sure is some form of work they are doing really!), but not enough of a distraction to cause any problems... In answer to above query the shadow abnormality is caused by the white curved corner shades which stick slightly further out than the main stand (see the one in opposite right corner above the TV which curves into the roof in the same manner of the shadow nearest to us)... Gazhiley (talk) 11:18, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support --Childzy ¤ Talk 12:19, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Uhum, here the distortions are suddenly not bothering anybody. Interesting ;-). --Dschwen 15:25, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I don't see any minor technical flaws in this one, although I probably would have brightened the shadows a bit more than you've done. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 09:05, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Do this. Close your eyes for a while and then open them and look at the picture. What is it what you see? You see a round piece of the field plus some sky. The picture is about the stadium but the stadium is not what you "see" from the picture. When you try to look at the stadium the sight gets pulled very strongly to the field. My suggestion: go at night or a different time of the day in which you have the light mainly on the chairs, burn some the field without making it ugly and them you get what you need. The thing is that the stadium it self is in some dim light that subtracts all the relevance that should have in the picture, I mean, if the picture is about it. Frank cheValier on a Pc (talk) 17:54, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Do this: Check if your monitor is well calibrated. I can clearly see every aspect of the stadium. @Diliff: I've brightened the shadows some. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 19:39, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sorry, I didn't mean to say that you can't see the stadium. What I mean is that the center of attention is at the bright-sun-lighted part of the field instead at the subject of the picture (the stadium). I tried burning the lighted part of the field and you can manage to bring down the distraction effect although a fine work should be done in the selection of the zone to burn and some little blurring of its boundary is probably required. Try that. I did it roughly to quickly see the result with a small version of the image. Don't worry about dodging the shadows. I think they are fine that way. I personally like to do architectural photography in the middle or late afternoon or early in the morning, if the building is facing east. The bring sun light of noon is very nice but it is a pain in edition when you get bright sky and dark buildings. Frank cheValier on a Pc (talk) 23:02, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Looks fine to me. –Juliancolton | Talk 18:57, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Not the best light but otherwise high quality picture. - Darwinek (talk) 22:14, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted File:LuzLissabon.jpg --jjron (talk) 14:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eriophora sp.

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Original - Eriophora heroine or Eriophora pustuosa
Reason
Best image in the article. Subject is tiny (this is > 2:1). Fir's image in the article has the wrong ID (I've told him about it). Can't tell the two possible species apart from the photograph.
Articles this image appears in
Eriophora
Creator
Noodle snacks
  • Support as nominator --Noodle snacks (talk) 07:53, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Actually I'm relatively confident in the ID - it was done by Martyn Robinson a naturalist at the Australian Museum. Whey do you say it is so small? If your talking about this site then I think you'd need to bear in mind it says "body" length - the length of the legs is several times that of the body. Compare their estimate of a huntsman - I regularly see specimens of about 8cm leg span and occasionally even larger. --Fir0002 12:40, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose it's not entirely in focus. Looks like your DOF is too shallow. Jauerbackdude?/dude. 16:16, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is easy to take a shot of a 6cm long damsel fly with most of it in focus. It isn't technically possible for a live, moving, subject closer to 1cm long. The same standards should not be applied. Noodle snacks (talk) 00:19, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support A well-lit, nicely composed shot that's just short of full support. I can't help thinking we're getting way too hung up on techincal issues here at FPC. Whatever happened to striking and eye-catching as valid support criteria? I'm only "weak" on this one due to the slightly overpowering key lighting from the left that's knocked it slightly out of balance, but I do find this approach much more compelling than basic technical correctness. --mikaultalk 00:58, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose left corner lighting, sharpness and DOF. --Muhammad(talk) 17:20, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 14:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Adia cinerella

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Original - Adia cinerella.
Reason
Quite tiny. Good lighting and clear pose. Has an id to species level, but genus/species articles don't currently exist. Re nomination because last time it was just a discussion about scale bars.
Articles this image appears in
Anthomyiidae
Creator
Noodle snacks

Promoted File:Anthomyiidae sp.jpg --jjron (talk) 14:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Zebra portrait

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Original - Portrait of a Plains zebra, Equus quagga
Reason
We have few FPs of animals apart from birds and arthropods. This image is of good quality, EV. Has been stable in the articles for over a month now.
Articles this image appears in
Plains Zebra, Zebra
Creator
Muhammad Mahdi Karim

Promoted File:Zebra portrait.jpg --Shoemaker's Holiday Over 201 FCs served 15:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Silent Valley bridge

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Original - The bridge across the proposed dam site in Sairandhri, Silent Valley National Park is located in the Nilgiri Hills, Coimbatore - Palakkad districts in South India.
Reason
Its of high quality, only few featured pictures on India,High resolution,EV
Articles this image appears in
Silent Valley National Park
Creator
Cj.samson
 
alternate - Creator:Cj.samson

—Preceding undated comment added 18:29, 23 August 2009 (UTC).

  • Support as nominator --Cj.samson (talk) 15:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. FWIW, I helped samson with some minor details in the nomination. --Muhammad(talk) 15:42, 20 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. To be honest I'm not really feeling it - composition seems a bit cramped and I don't think I'm really learning much about the park. Visually and using the histogram it's quite a bit underexposed. Brighter versions have a bit more pop, but I'm still not overly convinced. However I won't oppose yet till you've had a chance to try an edit. Ideally if you had another version that at least showed to the end of the wires that may help with the cramped composition. --jjron (talk) 06:58, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless edit or better pic found Too dark, ends of bridge cut off, and could be any bridge over any gorge - no wow factor. IMHO would be better taken from below to give better idea of height of bridge from water, and view UP the falls which would have more of an appealing composition... Gazhiley (talk) 10:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. Subject cut off. :) MER-C 03:55, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 01:58, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



ARC Gloria at Sunset

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Original - ARC Gloria, a training ship of the Colombian National Armada, at sunset in Cartagena, Colombia
Reason
Ambient image of excellent artistic and technical quality. It. As a silhouette adds value to Sailing ship#Types of sailing ships by displaying the skeleton of ship's mast configuration.
Articles this image appears in
Sailing ship, ARC Gloria (article needs attention, but all sources are in Spanish)
Creator
Luz A. Villa at Flickr.
  • Support as nominator --hydrox (talk) 11:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The problem with silhouettes in my opinion is that you lose all sense of depth and detail. A normal colour picture would show the size better and the configuration, rather then being overlapped one silhouette on top of the other. Looking at that picture will not give me any idea as where each mast is located, and will not give me 100% of which sail is hung from which mast either. Lovely picture though, just no EV. Gazhiley (talk) 13:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Subject is one big shadow => no enc. Needs to be taken in full daylight. MER-C 03:50, 22 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 02:59, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Gateway Arch

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Original - The Gateway Arch in St. Louis, Missouri in spring 2009. The tallest monument in the United States, the Arch was built between early 1963 and late 1965. In 1987, it was selected a National Historic Landmark.
Reason
Good quality image of one the most famous monuments in the United States, high res, and a useful sense of scale. I know I personally don't like the vegetation in the corner, either, but it does not detract from the image substantially.
Articles this image appears in
Gateway Arch
Creator
Daniel Schwen
      • I'm sorry? ceranthor 17:33, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • No, thanks for believing in my image. I mean it. --Dschwen 18:56, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
          • Okay. Anyway, I knew the technicals were a little low, I nominated it for its EV and useful sense of scale. ceranthor 19:08, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
            • Sense of scale was the main reason I uploaded and put in the article. We have lots of pictures of only the top portion of the arch. Getting an more frontal perspective is rather tricky by the way. You either have to go to the other side of the Mississippi (right in the picture), which is far, or use extreme wide angle. There is a small hill between arch and city (just out side the frame to the left), so that the bottom part is always occluded when you try increasing the distance. Going up on a roof might help. But getting access is problematic. (btw. did the thank you really sound ironic? I apologize.) --Dschwen 19:29, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No, I didn't think it was, as I've interacted with you before and you always cam across as helpful, but you can never be sure. ceranthor 19:39, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - not sure if this is the best illustrative angle, also quite grainy. The sun was too bright as well --Childzy ¤ Talk 12:21, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose As per above, but also I'm sure that vegetation in top right left can surely be edited out as it does kinda distract. Gazhiley (talk) 14:24, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd rather see this nomination removed than the image manipulated to take the foliage out. It is one of the better Arch images we have (I might be biased here), and complaining about grain in a 12MP image but happily promoting downsampled 2MP images is somewhat ridiculous, but I would not have nominated this myself. Well, most certainly not here at least. --Dschwen 15:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose based on the composition not being the best to show the shape of the arch, but I completely agree that the trees should not be edited out. That said, the solution would have been to take about 4 or 5 steps foward with minimal impact on the perspective. ;-) Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 16:28, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • Yeah. Well, it depends on what you want to solve :-). I thought it'd be a good idea to include the trees, as it is a tree lined walkway. But I can see that it didn't quite work out the way I planned it, and that some people might not like the composition. I'll try to keep this in mind (I guess the detatchedness of the foliage top-left is problematic. If it could be seen connected to a tree it might look better) and try alternatives. As a matter of fact I still have lots of material from that trip. Maybe something better is still on my harddisk. In particular I dis several exposure bracketed night time panos. A pain in the butt to assemble... --Dschwen 17:29, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 04:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Empidoidea sp.

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Original - Empidoidea sp. on Anethum graveolens, Austin's Ferry, Tasmania, Australia
Reason
2:1 magnification. Good lighting and clear angle. The dill will give a scale for anyone familiar with the plant.
Articles this image appears in
Empidoidea
Creator
Noodle snacks

Not promoted - no consensus --jjron (talk) 14:45, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Afghan Girl

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File:Sharbat Gula.png Original - Photograph of Sharbat Gula by Steve McCurry, known as "Afghan Girl".

Reason
High resolution. Although smaller than most featured images, can be made an exception due to historical and cultural significance as policy states.
Articles this image appears in
Afghan Girl (photo)
Creator
Steve McCurry

Not promoted - fair use image --jjron (talk) 15:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]




Southwest Jet Landing

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Original - A Southwest Airlines jet landing at McCarran International Airport in Las Vegas.
Reason
This photograph is an excellent shot and meets all of our featured picture criteria.
Articles this image appears in
Southwest_Airlines
Creator
[14]

Not promoted Staxringold talkcontribs 18:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Castel del Monte

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Original - The Castel del Monte (Castle of the Mountain literally translated) is one of the best known landmarks of Southern Italy. It lies in the the region of Apulia. It is featured on the reverse of the Italian-issue 1 Euro cent coin and is an Unesco World Heritage Site since 1996. It is famous for its perfect symmetry and octagonal shape. For the people wondering, how I was able to take this picture so early (since the castle lies, well, in the middle of nowhere): The Italian part of my family is originally from the immediate area surrounding the castle. A lot of them still live there and I was visiting them. An uncle of mine for instance lives 1 kilometer from Castel del Monte and you can see it clearly from his backyard.
Reason
Quality+EV
Articles this image appears in
Castel del Monte and Apulia
Creator
Massimo Catarinella
  • Support as nominator --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 15:26, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I keep thinking that the top of the building is bowed outwards, but as far as I can see everything is vertical - must be just an illusion. It does look rather odd though, and I can't help thinking that the perspective correction might be slightly overdone. It might be worth convevrting it to sRGB from Adobe RGB as well, since not all browsers display Adobe properly. Time3000 (talk) 17:07, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've tried different versions of the picture, all with a different perspective correction, but this came out as the best. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 22:59, 21 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I had already converted the image from sRGB to Adobe RGB. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 01:28, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, but it doesn't make any sense to do that. Adobe RGB may be a wider gamut but converting from sRGB won't add more colour depth and might give you unwanted colour shifts. The default for web use (and therefore Wikipedia FPs) is sRGB; always best to work in Adobe RGB and convert to that for web use. It's a "lowest common denominator" thing that won't improve colour but will allow everyone to see the same colours, regardless of what browser or program settings they use. --mikaultalk 02:24, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I was asked to do so, so I did. I'll reverse the edit. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 02:36, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There must have been some misunderstanding somewhere, because all uploaded versions are Adobe RGB. Maybe whoever originally advised you to convert profiles meant to say Adobe RGB > sRGB... --mikaultalk 06:37, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I did mean to sRGB and I think that's what my post said(?) - but sorry for any misunderstanding. Adobe's not really consistent between Paintshop, Gimp, firefox, etc. so sRGB would let everyone see the same colours. Time3000 (talk) 11:19, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you were right, I misinterpreted your saying. Anyhow, now I've uploaded an sRGB version. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 11:46, 23 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
There is almost nothing lost of the lower part of the building, even though I chose this angle to take the picture from. If you look to the column left of the door of the castle you can see the ledge, which touches the ground... As for the bush, well, I can't cut it down. The right side of the building was being coffered in scaffolding, so another point was not an option. And a large part of the door is still visible. --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 18:51, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support It's a good, high quality image. Difficult to show the octagonal shape and quite likely impossible to get the whole thing in the frame from the top of the hill. I share those slight misgivings about the perspective correction, it's never going to make something shot from a low angle look natural and I see this as a decent compromise, well taken. --mikaultalk 21:31, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 20:02, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Jerónimos Monastery

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Original - The Mosteiro dos Jerónimos (Jerónimos Monastery) is located in the Belém district of Lisbon, Portugal. This magnificent monastery can be considered one of the most prominent monuments in Lisbon and is certainly one of the most successful achievements of the Manueline style (Portuguese late-Gothic). In 1983 it was classified by the UNESCO, with nearby Torre de Belém, as a World Heritage Site.
Reason
Quality+EV
Articles this image appears in
Jerónimos Monastery
Creator
Massimo Catarinella
I know what you mean. I don't mind people opposing, as long as they have a good reason to do so ;). --Massimo Catarinella (talk) 23:33, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. 'Doesn't stand out enough' isn't a very compelling objection for me. It illustrates the subject in a highly encyclopedic fashion and does it to a very high technical standard. A ground level shot won't offer the same EV. Short of cropping out the background, I'm not sure how this is an actionable objection. Mostlyharmless (talk) 02:29, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --Makeemlighter (talk) 20:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



CN Tower (Toronto) as seen from its glass floor.

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Original - The long fall of more than 400 meters of the CN Tower (Toronto), one the highest buildings in the world, as seen from its glass floor.
Reason
High resolution, attractive composition enhanced by the dangerous position of the viewer with respect to the empty space. Also the lines of the leg of the tower lead the spectator to the center of attention. Natural colors.
Articles this image appears in
CN Tower
Creator
Franklin
  • Support as nominator --Franklin01:34, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Too many technical problems for me, also I dont like the composition but if the glass floor goes all the way around a death drop panorama would be interesting --Childzy ¤ Talk 08:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • A panorama of that type would not really be possible - you'd end up with a doughnut shaped image, not to mention that it would be tricky to stitch because you're not rotating the camera around the focal point. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 10:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • A panorama of that kind is indeed possible (rather complicated though) you can compute the position of the camera to move it as if it were rotating around the focal point being this in the center of the tower. But, come one, panoramas are not the only way of making an interesting picture. Also the glass floor of the CN tower is not that large. I'm more interested in knowing those "too many technical problems" that are claimed but not mentioned. Could you please be more detailed on that?  Franklin.vp  16:08, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Grainy, areas out of focus, ghost like tree to the far right of the image, over exposure of certain areas, blurred areas (most likely due to a dirty floor). If i concede that maybe a different image positionally cannot be taken it doesnt change that its generally not that good an image. Well done on questioning everyone though --Childzy ¤ Talk 23:19, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
        • Those trees are not the subject of the picture and I am thinking now that blurring some more trees (not all though) could make the image even more interesting. The image is not overexposed at all. I can see detail everywhere including what I am guessing you are looking at (the leg and the road). No blurring in the picture is due to the floor at all. Focusing in a far enough point plus the aide of the combination of hand shake and the lens image stabilizer make the little scratches of the glass disappear. It is after all a building of more than 400 meters high it is not clear to me if lens long enough to get such a depth of field are being produced. On the other hand I go quiet from now on. Another user pointed me the difference between a good picture and a FP picture. Sometimes the two categories overlap but not always, e.g. the Eiffel tower candidate. Now I understand the difference and agree that this is definitely not good for a FP.  Franklin.vp  04:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Interesting view, but not a view that's particularly educational, and the image quality is lacking. No doubt shooting through such thick glass contributes to that. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 10:17, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • The point of the image is to show the length of one the largest buildings in the world. This is done through a picture taken from is glass floor, the obligated point of attention of most of the visitors in this kind of buildings. Again, I'm very interested in knowing what are those ways in which the "image quality is lacking".  Franklin.vp  16:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Can i just add that if it is intended to show height then this isnt how it is done, you gain no real sense of scale from this image other than its tall, there are lots of tall things. --Childzy ¤ Talk 23:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
A related comment: is there a side that's more interesting than half a plaza and a gravel drive way? --antilivedT | C | G 10:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • dangerous position of the viewer? What danger is there to standing on several inches of bulletproof glass? --Dschwen 14:35, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • :) no danger at all. I even jumped hard on the glass to scare a friend while standing there. Let me try again to express myself: The reference to danger in the picture is the same that is used in the architecture of the tower itself by having a glass floor. It is nothing else than the impression of being in danger what makes almost all visitors to stand on the glass ad look down. This controlled "danger" is the same that makes attractive movies, safaris, fear tunnels, mechanic games in amusement park and it is this same sense of controlled danger what it is exploited in the composition of the picture. Franklin.vp  16:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. I think the image would look better if it were rotated by 180 degrees. NotFromUtrecht (talk) 15:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I giggled with this comment. You know why? The original image is like you said. (NOTE: I didn't declared this edition on the picture because it doesn't change any feature of the subject in any way. The picture could be taken with the camera rotated.) But have you tried rotating it? Do it. A lot of the purpose of the picture is lost in that way. Remember, the picture is about showing the length of the CN tower showing the fall from its glass floor and catching the attention of the viewer by giving him/her the same sense of danger (controlled danger) that the glass floor. This is enhanced by the position of the viewer with respect to the leg of the tower. That uneasiness that you feel while looking at the picture is precisely the intention of the author.  Franklin.vp  16:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Awkward, low-EV angle + blown-out sections of white. Staxringold talkcontribs 23:40, 24 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above, mainly due to low enc composition. MER-C 06:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Pictures from the glas floor are difficult because of scratches and dirt on the glas. This is anyway no excuse to vote for excellence. Sure no excellent picture but more educating is this view [15] where you can see more of the concrete structure. – Wladyslaw (talk) 08:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 11:53, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Beaver Dam in Algonquin

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Original - A beaver's dam in Fassett creek in Algonquin Park, Ontario.
Reason
High resolution. Subject is the point of attention of the picture with almost no extra distractions. Dynamic oblique (subtle) lines of sea weed and horizon to make picture attractive. Natural colors.
Articles this image appears in
beaver dam
Creator
Franklin

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 11:53, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



File:Monument a Colom, Barcelona, Spain - Jan 07.jpg

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Original - The Columbus Monument (Monument a Colom in Catalan, also known as the Monumento a Colón and Mirador de Colón in Spanish) is a 60 m (197 ft) tall monument for Christopher Columbus at the lower end of La Rambla, Barcelona, Spain.
Reason
It is a complete (not strictly complete, but shows everything that can be isolated from background clutter - this shows a slightly more complete view, but is otherwise not as impressive) and detailed image of the monument to Christopher Columbus in Barcelona, Spain.
Articles this image appears in
Columbus Monument, Barcelona
Creator
User:Diliff

Not promoted - no quorum. --jjron (talk) 11:53, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Ascocoryne sarcoides2

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Original - A close-up of the jelly fungus Ascocoryne sarcoides growing on a cut hardwood stump.
Reason
Clear picture of an unusual jelly fungus, meets size requirements, high EV. The last nom of a similar picture failed because some thought it wasn't sharp enough; I don't believe this close-up version suffers from that defect.
Articles this image appears in
Ascocoryne sarcoides, Jelly fungus
Creator
Daryl Thompson at Mushroom Observer

Not promoted --jjron (talk) 11:52, 30 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]



Jumping spider courtship

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Original - Jumping spider courtship display (male Phidippus clarus)
 
Typical posture (not for voting)
Reason
I have dozens of jumping spider photos that are technically far better than this one, but none of them come close to being as valuable. This photo is not for illustrating a particular jumping spider, but to illustrate the section on jumping spider courtship dances in the article jumping spider. Obviously the sharpness is not comparable to most other featured macro shots. For shooting jumping spiders (which are quite tiny) I usually have to open up to f/8 or so to avoid diffraction softening. In this case, however, it was important to get the legs in the focus plane (as they are an important part of the display) so I stopped down to f/13. At full res the diffraction softening is obvious, but IMO the trade-off was worth it and I would shoot it at the same aperture if I did it again. The other flaw is that there are 21 blown pixels on the leg and 5 in the eyes where the specular highlights are. There are no totally blown areas, however, just pixels, and otherwise the levels and curves are pretty nice. Since this was shot hand-held on an overcast day, obviously a strong flash was required (not to mention the fact that it's dancing). The primary selling point for this images is obviously it's encyclopedic value. The description of jumping spider courtship behavior needed a good photo and this one fits the bill nicely. There are only a handful of similar photographs on the internet and none that are free license.
Articles this image appears in
Jumping spider#Reproduction
Creator
Kaldari

Suspended for editing. Could also close if preferred, and you can nominate the new version later, but I don't want to discourage work being done on an image by a hasty "no quorum" close. Shoemaker's Holiday Over 201 FCs served 00:36, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

  • Edit now done so I'm Unsuspending. Zoofari could you strike your previous vote please since you've now voted twice? Also renamed edit from Alt to Edit per conventions (an alt is a completely different image). Note: I'm just putting this back to the 'decision time' section - if you want to run it right from the top again, go ahead but I don't think it needs it. --jjron (talk) 07:21, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alt see the thumb for changes. I'm not a wizard so I couldn't bring the leg into focus :-( ZooFari 05:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I appreciate the effort, but I have to say I prefer the original. The alt is over-sharpened - the areas where the hairs overlap the background are quite noisey for example. Also, all of the white areas are blown in the alt, so there is actually less detail rather than more. As you said, it would take a wizard to fix it (without being able to focus-stack), so maybe it's just not good enough to feature. Kaldari (talk) 16:38, 29 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


Promoted File:Phidippus clarus courtship edit.jpg --Pmlineditor  Talk 14:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted - no consensus. My apologies for this but this is the best I can make of this now. We were leaving it open to give the edit some time, but we have been pre-empted and I suppose must now make a decision. I would tend to encourage a renomination (or alternative decision here). --jjron (talk) 08:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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