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Wikidata weekly summary #433

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Tool of the week
    • Mbabel is a tool that simplifies article creation by providing pre-made sentences based on Wikidata statements.
  • Development
    • Fixing an error that sometimes causes Wikidata UI to report 2 error messages when saving a sitelink in an Item instead of just one. (phabricator:T260869)
    • Development of version one of Federated Properties has concluded! Expect an announcement with timing of the release of this feature soon. Wikibase users who want an early look at the feature are invited to reach out to participate in the pre-release testing round.
    • Development of the WikibaseManifest extension has continued into its second sprint; we focused on determining a product specification for the Manifest output.
    • Finishing a draft documentation for a REST API to get it ready for a feedback round before implementation.
    • Finished improvements to the automated scoring of the quality of Items with ORES. Still need to retrain ORES and deploy the changes before the scores are actually different though.

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Nomination for merging of Module:Wikidata Infobox

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 Module:Wikidata Infobox has been nominated for merging with Module:WikidataIB. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the module's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Gonnym (talk) 12:22, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Vernon, Nevada

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Hi, I saw your edit to Vernon, Nevada, where you removed the Commons category template that linked to Tunnel Camp, Nevada. I'm the editor that redirected Tunnel Camp, Nevada to Vernon because Tunnel Camp was not particularly notable. Tunnel Camp and Vernon are located quite close to each other. It would be great if the Vernon page had a link to the Tunnel Camp Commons images. What are your thoughts? 21:43, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

@Cxbrx: I've looked again at this. Personally I think it would have been better to keep two separate articles here, given that they seem to be distinct settlements. However, there are also other images from the area that are available on Commons, so I've started commons:Category:Vernon, Nevada and linked to that from the article, with the Tunnel Camp category as a subcategory. Probably more images can also be added to the new category, see [1] (the blue dots are photos). Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
What happened about the poll you were going to take on this matter Mike? Philafrenzy (talk) 22:01, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
@Philafrenzy: The discussion with @Evrik: at User_talk:Mike_Peel/Archive_56#Commons_templates_in_EL_are_"misplaced"? petered out and was archived. I'm happy to co-author a poll, but I'm not going to start one on my own. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:07, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
I like the idea of hashing this out. --evrik (talk) 22:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
@Evrik: Perhaps you could start a draft proposal? Or I'm happy to chat about this by Zoom/Skype etc. at some point if that would help. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:20, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
@Mike Peel: Adding the Vernon Commons category seems reasonable to me. Tunnel Camp was at best a mining camp, see Talk:Tunnel Camp, Nevada. Recently I've been participating in the AfDs in Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Geography and I don't feel that Tunnel Camp as a geographic location nor as a mine would pass. See the last version of Tunnel Camp before the redirect. Cxbrx (talk) 17:26, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
The past discussion is at User talk:Mike Peel/Archive 56. I am only removing some templates in cases where the commons link does not match the category/article. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 08:34, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
As we established, policy, such as it is, merely states the link has to be useful. It doesn't have to use the exact same words, making some of your removals just plain wrong. Philafrenzy (talk) 12:11, 13 September 2020 (UTC)
In the cases I've removed the link I didn't think the link was useful. I'm happy to discuss examples if you want. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 12:16, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm removing some more this evening. If you object to them, please give an example and a reason why it is useful. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 21:52, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

Remind me the policy that you do this under? --evrik (talk) 22:36, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
WP:BOLD, remind me why you think that the links I'm removing are useful? Examples, please. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 22:38, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Category:Berkshire from the Berkshire Record Society. Salisbury from MPs for Salisbury. In what sense are these "misplaced"? Philafrenzy (talk) 22:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
@Philafrenzy: The Commons categories don't seem to contain *any* content related to those articles. Or am I missing something? Mike Peel (talk) 22:57, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
This isn't Bold, it's Rash. Also Brown's Town, Jamaica was removed from Hamilton Brown. He founded the town. How is it not related to him? Philafrenzy (talk) 06:41, 19 September 2020 (UTC)
Commons:Category:Berkshire should really have been, Commons:Category:History of Berkshire. Your edits are not productive. --evrik (talk) 03:09, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Removal of Commons cat templates

I started a discussion about the removal of the {{commonscat}} links from scores, maybe hundreds of articles. It can be found here: Category talk:Commons category Wikidata tracking categories. --evrik (talk) 03:44, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

I have responded there. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 10:26, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #434

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Events
    • Upcoming: Online Wikidata Introduction Workshop (German) (September 29)
    • Upcoming: live SPARQL queries on Twitch and in French by Vigneron, September 21 at 18:00 CEST
    • Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: A starting point for newer institutions to think through what is involved in coordinating a Wikidata project, including shared infrastructure, training, and documentation, 22 September. Agenda
    • Upcoming video: Wikipedia Weekly Network - LIVE Wikidata editing #21 WikiDojo: Facebook, YouTube, September 25
  • Tool of the week
    • copy-qid is a user script by Abbe98 that allows you to copy the Qid with one click.
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Development
    • WQS now supports mwapi service request for Wikibooks (phab:T261125)
    • The language codes lij-mc, ja-Hira, ja-Kana, ja-Hrkt, ja-Hani, ojp, ojp-Hira and ojp-Hani" have been added for use in monolingual text property values (phab:T254968, phab:T195816)
    • The language codes de-1901, eo-hsistemo and eo-xsistemo, ja-hira, ja-kana and ja-hrkt have been added for Lexemes (phab:T262330,phab:T257422, phab:T250559)
    • P1438 has been converted from string to external ID datatype (phab:T262198)
    • Worked on fixing an input issue with invisible characters (phab:T261071)
    • Investigating what work would be needed to get the new termbox that's available on mobile to also work on desktop
    • Fixing several issues with Special:Undelete (phab:T261747)
    • Fixing an error message being shown twice (phab:T260869)
    • Starting the coding work on the Query Builder
    • Continuing to write a draft for a REST API specification
    • Finishing the remaining work needed to get the improved quality scoring for Items deployed to ORES
    • Continuing work on WikibaseManifest: Determined the essential metadata that will be included in the WikibaseManifest file, added some new features (mostly MediaWiki metadata) to the Manifest that were requested by the OpenRefine team (phab:T262805 and phab:T262804) and set up a test system that will soon be ready for tool builders to use for testing the integration of their tools with WikibaseManifest


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The Signpost: 27 September 2020

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The Signpost: 27 September 2020

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Wikidata weekly summary #435

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • The Wikidata development team is seeking to evaluate and improve the process of collecting and reacting to bug reports and feature requests. You can give feedback about your experience using this anonymous form until September 30th or add feedback publically to Wikidata talk:Contact the development team/Process review 2020.
    • Nominate your favorite tools for the Coolest Tool Award 2020 before October 14th.
    • Wikidata Walkabout is a new site that lets you browse and drill down through different "classes" of data on Wikidata: wikidatawalkabout.org
    • Como is a new Android app, that uses Wikidata lexemes and senses to create a word-guessing game. It let's players create new senses and tests them on other players to finally save them in Wikidata. The app is developed as part of a BA thesis, to determine if this concept is useful to create more lexicographical data, and testers would be very welcome.
  • Development
    • A long-standing bug has been fixed (T217144) where Items and Lexemes created via OAuth would not be added to the user’s watchlist even if the user had the Add pages I create and files I upload to my watchlist setting enabled. (The Add pages and files I edit to my watchlist setting was probably likewise ineffective, but this was not tested specifically.) Affected tools include QuickStatements, Mix'n'Match, and Wikidata Lexeme Forms; users of these and other tools may see more pages being added to their watchlists now. (This only applies to new edits and page creations; previously created or edited pages will not be automatically added to the watchlist retroactively.)
    • Working on the basic building blocks of the Query Builder towards making it possible to create the first very simple query with it
    • Talking to people about comparing Wikidata's data against other databases and flagging mismatches
    • Fixing an issue with Item creations via the API by blocked users leading to skipped entity IDs (phab:T232620)
    • Fixed an input issue with invisible characters (phab:T261071)
    • Finishing the draft of the REST API spec to get it ready for feedback
    • WikibaseManifest: created a separate key for local entities and decided what we do about non-local entity sources based on tool-builder feedback (phab:T263527) and specifying the API in OpenApi format (phab:T262919)


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Tracking categories now live for Template:Commons

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Per our discussion at the Village Pump, I've added the tracking category logic from Template:Commons category to Module:Commons link, and turned it on for Template:Commons. I decided to make a parallel tracking category structure: you can watch the tracking categories gradually fill in here.

Now that I've implemented the tracking categories, it is possible to simplify Template:Commons category. It would look very similar to the current implementation of Template:Commons, but would call getCategory() instead of getGalleryOrCategory(). This would make a uniform implementation for every Commons-related template. I'm curious what you think of this idea? — hike395 (talk) 17:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

@Hike395: Thanks for doing that. I need to reply to you more generally about the links, but I'm currently trying some of my semi-automated code through the new tracking categories. One oddity I've found is Category:Nauvoo Temple - I've added the Commons category link, but it's still linking to the gallery. Maybe it's just a caching issue though, but the tracking category updated. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:27, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
Oops, I think you found a bug in my tracking logic :-(. The template on Category:Nauvoo Temple is {{Commons|Nauvoo Temple}}, so it's hardwired to looked for Commons:Nauvoo Temple. So it won't update to use the commonscat. {{Commons}} with no argument will do that. However, it is being placed into Category:Commons link is on Wikidata incorrectly, because the gallery shouldn't match the category in this case. I have to recheck the logic.
Could you pause any semi-automated edits based on my categories while I debug this? Sorry for the inconvenience, and thanks for letting me know! — hike395 (talk) 02:12, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
OK. Just to let you know that the edits I'm making are adding commons category links on Wikidata, and creating categories for 'phantom' categories on Commons (where the categories already have media but don't actually exist). These shouldn't be affected if the tracking categories are a bit off, they just use the template as a pointer to cases to look at. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 06:59, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
The bug is now fixed: the code now does not match the first positional argument to the found wikidata commons item if they are in different namespaces.
I'm really glad that you (and PiBot) maintain Wikidata links: I suspect they would quickly spiral into bad quality without your vigilance and work. — hike395 (talk) 22:02, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Why?

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Hi. I have no clue about Wiki's inner workings, but apply logic whenever needed, and it usually works. Now, why is
commonscat|Pioneers of photography
not suitable for
Category:Early photographers in Palestine
? There are photos from Jerusalem starting from 1844, 22 years after the first photo ever taken. Thank you for explaining it to me, Arminden (talk) 14:05, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

@Arminden: How is that commons category relevant? It's a much wider scope than the category. The remaining two links in Category:Early photographers in Palestine also aren't directly related, it might be better to create commons:Category:Early photographers in Palestine if there is media that corresponds to the category. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 14:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
The Grand Tour including Jerusalem & the Holy Land were among the first topics for the pioneers of daguerreotypy. Daguerre invented his process of photography, the first practical one developed, in 1839. The very same year, photographers using his technology came to Jerusalem, but it seems that what's left of their work are etchings made based on their daguerreotypes. Joseph de Pranguy learned it (possibly directly from Daguerre) and left for his own Grand Tour already in 1841, bringing back the by far largest corpus of images still preserved today. Jerusalem was one of his topics. His 1844 images are all preserved. Then from 1900 on came the photographic service of the American Colony, many of their images preserved at the US Library of Congress, and there are photos from the pre-WWI years and the war collected and preserved at national libraries & collections in Turkey, Germany, the UK and Australia. And so on, w/o intermission, with several big names of the earliest and the following waves of photographers, including Magnum members etc. So yes, if you removed it for reasons other than strictly Wiki-technical ones, please undo it, or let me do it. Thanks, Arminden (talk) 16:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
I changed the category here [2]. Again, I suggest creating commons:Category:Early photographers in Palestine if you want, that would be the best solution here. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:48, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
@Arminden: commons:Category:Early photographers in Palestine now exists, and is linked to from Category:Early photographers in Palestine. How does that look? Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:57, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! I was writing, and you were doing :) I think I misunderstood you, I mixed up Wikipedia with Wikicommons. Is that what you've been doing from the beginning, dealing with Commons categories, while I was babbling on about Wikipedia? Ouch :) Arminden (talk) 17:08, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
Mike, it looks perfect, thank you! Arminden (talk) 17:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – September 2020

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News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2020).

 

  Administrator changes

  Ajpolino • LuK3
  Jackmcbarn
  Ad Orientem • Harej • Lid • Lomn • Mentoz86 • Oliver Pereira • XJaM
  There'sNoTime → TheresNoTime

  Guideline and policy news

  • A request for comment found consensus that incubation as an alternative to deletion should generally only be recommended when draftification is appropriate, namely 1) if the result of a deletion discussion is to draftify; or 2) if the article is newly created.

  Technical news

  Arbitration

  Miscellaneous

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May I bother you again?

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Sorry, but you've been so efficient yesterday and I guess it would take you less than a minute.

There's a county name in the West Bank, Har Hevron Regional Council. "Har Hevron" is Hebrew (good for admin. unit), Mount Hebron is English (good for geogr. description). People sometimes mix them and you get "Har Hebron" - that's inadmissable Henglish. I've changed all I could to the correct version (Har Hevron Regional Council for the admin. unit, Mount Hebron for geography) in several articles, but my stumbling block are again the "categories": see the Har Hevron Regional Council - at the bottom it had the wrong version twice: "Har Hevron Regional Council" between double braces/curly brackets, and "Category:Har Hevron Regional Council| " between double straight brackets. I went ahead and just changed the names inside the brackets. I don't know if the second one went well, at least it didn't "protest", but the first one, "Har Hevron Regional Council" between curly brackets, now shows up everywhere in red, as a template mistake. See them both here below:

{{Har Hevron Regional Council}}

Could you please fix that? Thank you so much! Arminden (talk) 16:20, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

@Arminden: I've moved the template, that should have sorted it out. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:36, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
@Mike Peel: Mike, the other way 'round: I thank you! Arminden (talk) 16:42, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Ah, I missed the category point. That's also now fixed, at Category:Har Hevron Regional Council. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 16:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #436

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Discussions
  • Events
    • Upcoming: Next Linked Data for Libraries LD4 Wikidata Affinity Group call: Professor Toby Hudson on Entity Explosion, a browser extension which allows you to get information about entities on the web page you’re visiting, 06 October. Agenda
    • Upcoming: Wikidata & Wikibase office hour, October 27th at 17:00 CEST (15:00 GMT)
    • Upcoming: plenty of events for the Wikidata birthday, check the calendar and feel free to organise one!
  • Tool of the week
    • IllWill.js is a userscript that searches Wikidata for foreign-language sitelinks, to populate Template:ill and replace plain red links on other Wikimedia projects.
  • Other Noteworthy Stuff
    • omeka-s-wikidata is a new module for the open source GLAM collection management software Omeka, that allows cataloguers to use Wikidata as a vocabulary for persons, places, subjects, etc.
  • Development
    • First pieces of the Query Builder are coming together and we are working towards making it generate the first dumb query
    • Talking to people about their thoughts on checking Wikidata's data against other databases. If you're interested reach out to Mohammed.
    • Got some first internal feedback for the REST API specification draft. We'll publish it for feedback in the next days.
    • Fixing an issue with certain language codes no longer being available (phab:T264294)
    • Working on making sure blocked bots don't waste Item IDs when trying to create new Items (phab:T232620)

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"let's sort this out properly", huh?

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From looking over your work, you don't understand the difference between Unalaska and Dutch Harbor and/or don't care, because you left a lot of work for someone else to straighten out. Commons is its own website with its own conventions. It's tiring to watch people from Wikidata and/or Wikipedia come along and force their conventions on Commons in the name of some false notion of "consistency". RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 14:15, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

@RadioKAOS: I'm happy to try to improve things if you can be more specific in your feedback. I'm equally active here, on Wikidata, and on Commons. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 19:32, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #437

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Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
  • Discussions
    • Open request for adminship: MsynABot
    • Closed request for adminship: Fuzheado (successful)
  • Tool of the week
    • OD2WD automatically converts CSV files from Open Data portals into QuickStatements for Wikidata republishing. Demo video
  • Development
    • The RFC to semi-protect all property pages has been implemented, all properties now require the “autoconfirmed” right to edit (T254280)
    • Working on enabling JSON dumps for Lexemes (phab:T220883)
    • Finishing preventing blocked users from making us skip QIDs (phab:T232620)
    • Continuing work on the Wikibase Manifest extension that allows toolbuilders to easily access configurations of a specific Wikibase instance so it is easier for them to make their tools work with not just Wikidata but also other Wikibase instances
    • Started analyzing what we consider a mismatch for our work around checking Wikidata's data against other databases
    • Continued work on the Query Builder to get it to create the first very simple query. It can do that now but not yet visualize the result.

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This Month in GLAM: September 2020

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Headlines
  • Brazil report: Wikidata birthday celebrations, Wiki Loves Monuments, new partnerships and more!
  • Colombia report: GLAM and virtual education
  • France report: AAF training course; Workshops in Strasbourg; European Heritage Days: Rennes; Wiki Loves Monuments
  • Germany report: Ahoy! Wikipedians set sail to document the reality of modern seafaring
  • Indonesia report: New GLAM partnerships on data donation; Commons structured data edit-a-thon
  • Norway report: Students taking on GLAM Wiki women in red
  • Sweden report: Musikverket: more folk music and photos; Hack for Heritage 2020; Wiki Loves Monuments; Wikipedia in the libraries; Digital Book Fair on Wikipedia
  • UK report: National Lottery; Khalili Collections
  • USA report: Virtual events MetFashion, 19SuffrageStories, WikiCari Festival and more
  • Open Access report: New publication about access to digitised cultural heritage
  • WMF GLAM report: Launching Wikisource Pagelist Widget
  • Calendar: ctober's GLAM events
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