JSR

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This user is no longer active on Wikipedia as of April 2009.

I have finally put the retirement tag since I expect that life is going to bring new challenges and my energies will be far too depleted for me to edit here regularly. My best to the people who do things by the book here. No doubt I have made mistakes but in general I have tried to follow some basic principles and have come to respect some basic rules. Finally, goodbye before my last message turns out to be a long and rambling one.

List of Indian inventions and discoveries

Great work. I noticed a reassessment request on WP India's Assessment dept page, the top grade the list can get from the WP India is "List". Nominate the article at WP:Featured list, the top grade a list can get in wikipedia. I suggest you initiate a WP:peer review, before the Featured List nomiantion. --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 13:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

Hi again. Sorry to disturb. Pls see my addition on SLS in the Indian inventions article. The refs may not be as great as the others but I believe for now it would suffice. Your input is welcomed there and in this Same language subtitling article I created. Enjoy! Exxoo (talk) 19:57, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

What do u think about the SLS addition? Do they constitute reliable sources in your opinion? I have also just included Simputer to the list of inventions. Pls have a look to see if it's appropriate. Exxoo (talk) 19:42, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

No problem JSR. Do one at a time. There's no hurry. I tried but couldn't find any book references for SLS, and as such had to go ahead using weblinks. I fully understand what you mean "bringing into question the article's integrity", but I believe that those links are fine and that's why I'm asking a second opinion from a quality editor like you. As for Simputer I managed to get some pretty good book sources, however I also had to include 2 weblinks as a citation for its current status. You finish your job in the "Education in India" page first, then have a look at these two additions when time's on your side, and advice on the next course of action. Take care. Exxoo (talk) 18:39, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

SLS - If you wanna insert the books co-authored by Kothari, then please feel free to do so. However I wouldn't recommend citing a source that is authored by the inventor / innovator himself. WP:PSTS says "Wikipedia articles should rely mainly on published reliable secondary sources and, to a lesser extent, on tertiary sources. All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors." Although it doesn't disallow the use of primary source, it's clearly discouraged. And that's why I don't feel comfortable using it.

Simputer - The description I gave in the article is basically split into 2 parts. The first is the part that talks about its history (e.g. who invented, when etc.). This is sourced from 2 book sources. The second part is about its present use/status. I couldn't source this from books so I had to use news sites. I personally don't think that's a problem because the important part (i.e. about the invention itself) is well sourced.

Additional sources - Noted them, thanks. Will use it as referencing for any future additions.

Asbestos - I did a quick search on asbestos and the first confirmed record of the material does not seem to be India. Anyway I'm still researching, and if you have any source that definitively links its earliest mention / use to India, please let me know. What do you think about spoon? Apparently one of the earliest mention comes from the Rig Veda. It looks promising but I'm still doing some more research. If you have any material please share it.

Another thing is I'm in favour of removing joint innovations e.g. Pati-Salam model, Wilson-Bappu effect etc. because this is not exclusively Indian. Actually for joint contributions I can insert many more but I don't think it is the best for the article. Lets concentrate on solely Indian inventions, innovationa and discoveries for now. What do u think?

I'm actually out of town right now and I'm sending this from an internet café. Will do a further check up on both as soon as I'm back home. Sorry for the slow response from my side. In the mean time please feel free to make any changes u feel is appropriate. We can discuss if we have differing viewpoints. Exxoo (talk) 18:09, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

HI JSR, sorry for the silence. I am currently out of my country for holiday. I’ll will take some time to be back. In the mean time please look after the Indian inventions and discoveries page. I have some plans for the page but can only implement once I’m back. It won’t take too long though. I don’t have my laptop with me so access is limited. I gotta use from a cyber café. Take care. Exxoo (talk) 02:13, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Education in India

Sure looking. In the meantime, some review adverts of my own. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 03:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Random things, in case you forgot, but likely you just haven't gotten around to it

• Girls and castes. You should explain the situation before telling people that they are targeted for extra assistance
• Status of private schools, church schools etc
• Need to explain whether IIT being "important -> more money? more research funding?
• Literacy rates need discussion, initiatives, backwardness in Bihar/UP etc.
• Business partnerships with universities?
• Are there pay degrees in India -> ie can pay more money to get admittance if you fail entrance exams
• Political interference issues? Historical revisionism of textbooks to appease certain groups or whatever...

Since there are now a few people writing biographies and writing them on a hard drive before uploading in chunks of 20+ kb, it is probably good to write down future work plans so that two people don't spend ten hours writing something on a hard drive and then kind that the work has been duplicated.

Future plans and progress

• Blnguyen (talk · contribs)
  • Jim Burke (cricketer) - same as Benaud
• Mattinbgn (talk · contribs)
  • Warwick Armstrong - at LoCE
  • George Giffen - the next one!
• Dweller (talk · contribs) - although I normally work "live", rather than from sandboxes etc
  • Invincibles FT
• The Rambling Man (talk · contribs)
  • Whatever Dweller (talk · contribs) tells me to do.
• Daniel (talk · contribs)
  • General copyediting, no specific articles. Leave me a note on my talk for a general copyedit. Daniel 02:41, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
• Phanto282 (talk · contribs)
  • Lindsay Hassett

GACs and FACs

WP:GAC: Ian Craig and Brian Booth

Invincibles

Our future featured topic:

Name	Class	Comments
Australian cricket team in England in 1948	GA	Dec 2009
1948 Ashes series	GA	Mar 2009
First Test, 1948 Ashes series	GA	Feb 2009
Second Test, 1948 Ashes series	FA	Feb 2009
Third Test, 1948 Ashes series	FA	Feb 2009
Fourth Test, 1948 Ashes series	FA	Dec 2009
Fifth Test, 1948 Ashes series	FA	Oct 2009
Keith Johnson	FA	Aug 2009
Bill Brown	FA	Passed September 2008
Sid Barnes	FA	Jan 2008
Arthur Morris	FA	Nov 2007
Donald Bradman	FA	Jun 2008
Neil Harvey	GA	Jun 2007, Nov 2008
Lindsay Hassett	GA	Nov 2009
Ron Hamence	GA	Passed June 2008
Keith Miller	A	passed A-class review Feb 2009
Colin McCool	GA	Passed April 2008
Sam Loxton	FA	Passed Nov 2009
Don Tallon	FA	Passed April 2008
Ron Saggers	GA	Passed May 2008
Ray Lindwall	GA	Passed January 2008
Doug Ring	GA	Passed January 2009
Ian Johnson	FA	Passed July 2008
Bill Johnston	GA	Passed June 2007
Ernie Toshack	FA	Passed March 2008
Bill Brown with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	GA	Passed Feb 2009
Sid Barnes with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	GA	Passed January 2009
Arthur Morris with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	GA	Feb 2009
Donald Bradman with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	FA	passed FAC
Neil Harvey with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	FA	Passed Feb 2009
Lindsay Hassett with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	FA	Feb 2009
Ron Hamence with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	FA	Feb 2009
Keith Miller with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	GA	Jan 2009
Colin McCool with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	GA	Feb 2009
Sam Loxton with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	FA	passed FAC
Don Tallon with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	GA	Feb 2009
Ron Saggers with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	GA	Feb 2009
Ray Lindwall with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	GA	Feb 2009
Doug Ring with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	FA	Feb 2009
Ian Johnson with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	GA	Feb 2009
Bill Johnston with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	GA	Passed February 2009
Ernie Toshack with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948	FA	Feb 2009

Captains

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Australian national cricket captains	FL
Dave Gregory	Start
Billy Murdoch	Start
Tom Horan	Start
Hugh Massie	Stub
Jack Blackham	Start
Tup Scott	Stub
Percy McDonnell	Stub
George Giffen	Start
Harry Trott	FA	June 2008
Joe Darling	GA
Hugh Trumble	FA
Monty Noble	Start
Clem Hill	FA
Syd Gregory	Start
Warwick Armstrong	GA
Herbie Collins	GA
Warren Bardsley	Start
Jack Ryder	Start
Bill Woodfull	GA
Vic Richardson	Start
Don Bradman	FA	June 2008
Bill Brown	FA	September 2008
Lindsay Hassett	GA
Arthur Morris	FA
Ian Johnson	FA	July 2008
Ray Lindwall	GA
Ian Craig	FA
Richie Benaud	B
Neil Harvey	GA
Bob Simpson	B
Brian Booth	GA
Bill Lawry	B
Barry Jarman	Start
Ian Chappell	FA
Greg Chappell	B
Graham Yallop	Start
Kim Hughes	B
Allan Border	B
Mark Taylor	B
Steve Waugh	B
Adam Gilchrist	FA
Ricky Ponting	B

Australian Cricket Hall of Fame

Name	Class	Comments
Australian Cricket Hall of Fame	Start
Jack Blackham	Start
Fred Spofforth	Start
Victor Trumper	Start
Clarrie Grimmett	Start
Bill Ponsford	FA
Donald Bradman	FA	June 2008
Bill O'Reilly	FA
Keith Miller	B
Ray Lindwall	GA
Dennis Lillee	Start
Warwick Armstrong	GA
Neil Harvey	GA
Allan Border	B
Bill Woodfull	GA
Arthur Morris	FA
Greg Chappell	B
Stan McCabe	GA
Ian Chappell	FA
Lindsay Hassett	GA
Hugh Trumble	FA
Alan Davidson	GA
Clem Hill	FA
Rod Marsh	Start
Bob Simpson	B
Monty Noble	Start
Charlie Macartney	FA
Richie Benaud	B
George Giffen	Start
Ian Healy	Start
Steve Waugh	B
Garth McKenzie	Start
Bill Lawry	B

I read through it and it seems OK for a start. I'm really sorry I cannot help much with the facts because I'm not familiar with education in India; I've never studied there nor have I read much on the topic. However I made some minor changes which if you don't favour you can revert. By the way good job on the article overhaul... actually reconstruction :)!! Exxoo (talk) 13:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

HAve a good trip. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 01:06, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

I went through and made a few correctons, tried to improve the text a little so the English is a little more international while still preserving most of the Indian English usage. There's a lot of over-treferencing here, with nearly every sentence having an in-text citation, but then again there are a lot of stats quoted and they do need to be directly referenced. I'd agree the leading paragrapgh needs to be imprved, with less nubers on the improved recent standards and more on the structure. Mdw0 (talk) 01:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your messages and for your edits everyone. I really appreciate it since I could not do as much as I should have since the last few days. Once again thank you :) JSR 0562 18:06, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Large numbers

I noticed you've taken the commas out of all the large numbers. I think personally this makes them a lot more difficult to read and the Manual of Style agrees with me. Are you OK to put them back of should I do it? Mdw0 (talk) 02:27, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Note

I'll be there soon. Can you help keep an eye on the SL cricket attack page. One Pakistani user is adding conspiracy theories about India as always. YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 07:46, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

What was it with Geo? YellowMonkey (click here to vote for world cycling's #1 model!) 01:07, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Geo has showen the copy of report.User:Yousaf465 (talk)

see Lahore attack talk page

Here is the link to it.[1].User:Yousaf465 (talk)

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and here is the link to google policy [2].User:Yousaf465 (talk)

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See also links

I am not sure I understand the selection criterion for the links in the See also section of History_of_Indian_science_and_technology#See_also article ? Are the listed countries, empires etc chosen for some specific reason, or are they more-or-less random picks from Category:Science and technology by country, Category:History of science and discoveries by region and Category:Science_and_technology_in_China ?
By the way, I added Indian mathematics and Indian astronomy to the see also list since they are parallel overview article that a casual reader, who has not read through the whole article, may find useful. Also, I agree with your view on Vedic science, and added a link to Vedic science only because that page provides further links to related articles. I am fine if these links are left out, and am more curious about the logic behind the current links.
This minor issue aside, I must say I am greatly impressed with the work you have done in this area. Wikipedia can certainly use more editors like you. Regards. Abecedare (talk) 05:24, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Within the article the {{Science in India}} template has science links that one needs to navigate, including the mathematics and astronomy link. The other links were laid out so that those interested in history of science in general may find other regional articles to enjoy. Vedic science is more of an invented modern concept and is, in my opinion, best left out since it compromises not only the integrity of a science article but may also affect its stability to some extent. Wishing you the best, JSR 0562

Thanks for your reply.

I agree that since the science and astronomy links are in the {{Science in India}} template, including them in the see also section serves no purpose. I am also ambivalent about the Vedic science link, since I see how that can be magnet for fringe POV pushers.

However I am still not convinced that the current links in th See also section are appropriate or relevant. For example, how can we justify linking to articles about Australian, Swedish, Korean, German or Canadian inventions; three links to science in US; or 5 links related to science in China ? I think it would be better to have a blank see also section, but I am not going to revert you or insist on this since this is a minor issue, and it would be better to spend our time developing the article content for now. Such issues can be reexamined once the article is raised to at least the GA status.

More importantly: What do you think about moving the article to History of Indian science and technology ? It is better to avoid using the ambiguous adjective Indian in article titles (given Wikipedia worldwide audience), and use the "X in India" formulation instead. Any objections to such a move ? Abecedare (talk) 06:17, 21 March 2009 (UTC) You can reply here since I have your talk page watchlisted now.

None at all. In fact, I moved 'Science and technology in ancient India' (original title) to 'History of science and technology in India' on 24 July 2008 since the article dealt with more than just 'ancient history' and extended to both the medieval and colonial eras. It was moved to Science and technology in ancient India by Bhadaniji (25 July 2008). After having discussed with him and after obtaining his consent I moved the article to the present form on 26 July 2008. JSR 0562 06:43, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Architecture of India

Hi there. You deleted two sections (Pallavas and Cholas) from Architecture of India without an edit summary. The Cholas section had references and the other had links to UNESCO heritage sites. Was it a mistake? Please explain the reason. (Please reply on this page itself.I will have a watch on it.) --Belasd (talk) 18:48, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Done. There were a total of 3 citations for the large amount of text I removed. One of the 3 was an unsourced detail while the other lacked anything except the author and the date. I have removed the text due to lack of inline citations and poor quality of unsourced content. Sincerely, JSR 0562 19:16, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation. Me not knowing much about architecture. But I got a little worried seeing a huge deletion on my watchlist. See you around then! -Belasd (talk) 04:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

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I tried adjusting images in architecture of India --Redtigerxyz ^Talk 16:20, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

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Hi,

Tamil Cinema is NOT a regional cinema. Tamil Diaspora in Srilanka, Singapore, Malaysia, Canada, South Africa and Australia view Tamil cinema and live Tamil music, though they are different nationals. Also, most of good hindi movies are remade from Tamil. From todays Ghajini to yester generations Engaveetu pillai, most of them are remade. Please dont try to suppress the popularity of tamil cinema by just vandalising this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Guru coolguy (talk • contribs) 19:00, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks like user: Guru coolguy left me these compliments. His contributions clearly reveal that he likes adding Tamil cinema to the extent of creating a Hollywood of the east redirect for it. He has been warned on his talk page and these kind of messages further convince me that a break is needed.

Regards to all, JSR 0562 18:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

I would like to point out that, though the article was not well-referenced, a lot of people had spent their time to improve the article and it had separate sections on Tamil Cinema, Bollywood and all. None of those people have taken a long wikibreak after your update. So, why should you? 'Guru coolguy' has not made any major modification on text, only reformatted it. Why will people object against that? It is true that you have put very good work in improving the article, but people will keep on reformatting articles. That is how WP works. Personally, I would request you to reconsider your decision and continue to keep up the good work! Or, otherwise, please come back soon. We need good contributors like you to carry on. Thanks.--GDibyendu (talk) 18:47, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

You shouldnt retire YellowMonkey (cricket calendar poll!) paid editing=POV 05:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

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