Wikidata:Property proposal/surrounds the enclave
Surrounds the enclave
[edit]Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Place
| Description | Inverse property of enclave within (P501) |
|---|---|
| Represents | enclave (Q171441) |
| Data type | Item |
| Domain | geographic region (Q82794) |
| Allowed values | geographic region (Q82794) |
| Example 1 | South Africa (Q258) → Lesotho (Q1013) |
| Example 2 | Lower Saxony (Q1197) → Bremen (Q1209) |
| Example 3 | Krasnodar Krai (Q3680) → Adygea (Q3734) |
Motivation
[edit]When listing the borders of a territory with shares border with (P47), the geographical direction must be given with a cardinal or intercardinal point as the qualifier direction relative to location (P654). It does not work for enclaves.
Either we should accept a special value of direction relative to location (P654) for enclaves (typically enclave (Q171441), as I did here) and therefore modify the constraints on direction relative to location (P654).
Or create a new property for having an enclave as I am proposing here. Since enclave within (P501) exists, it is logical to give it an inverse property. GrandEscogriffe (talk) 15:06, 23 November 2021 (UTC)
Discussion
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Comment Instead of having a reciprocal property, one could have an inverse label item. See, for example, these examples: born here (Q65933043), landing site of (Q105608956), has artist files of (Q106643130), delta (Q107400968), catalogue raisonné of (Q108903126). I created has enclave (Q109718789) and you can see it in action by looking at an item for a place like Tashkent Region (Q487585) and at the bottom of the item clicking on "show derived statements." UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 22:43, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment Finally I created inside (Q109810863) which I use as a value of direction relative to location (P654) to qualify shares border with (P47). Unlike enclave (Q171441) it is also suited to qualify located in or next to body of water (P206) for lakes. --GrandEscogriffe (talk) 14:37, 30 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment maybe "has enclave" would be a suitable label. Interestingly enclave within (P501) and exclave of (P500) both seem to be focused on the exclave (rather than the enclaving entity). --- Jura 12:33, 10 December 2021 (UTC)- Comment I think Jura's suggestion for "has enclave" is a better label. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 17:58, 10 December 2021 (UTC)
Support, an important property for states.--Arbnos (talk) 12:55, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
- Support —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 16:14, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- @GrandEscogriffe, UWashPrincipalCataloger, Jura1, Arbnos:
Done: P10613 (P10613) —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 06:16, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @MasterRus21thCentury: please don't! As I said in my comment from november 30 I am using a qualifier instead. Nobody is arguing for this property now. --GrandEscogriffe (talk) 08:51, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
Question: How can we change all this now? MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 09:35, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- You'd have to submit a request for deletion of the property. UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 20:57, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
- @MasterRus21thCentury: please don't! As I said in my comment from november 30 I am using a qualifier instead. Nobody is arguing for this property now. --GrandEscogriffe (talk) 08:51, 12 April 2022 (UTC)
