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This page uses the Structured Discussions extension of MediaWiki (SD, formerly known as “Flow”). I think that we really need something like this instead of the classical discussion approach, but I am also aware of the fact that not everything works smoothly yet in SD.

If you struggle to use this discussion page perfectly, do not worry and just leave a messy or broken comment for me. You do not need to figure out how to write a perfectly formatted comment with lots of trial-and-error edits. I am hopefully going to figure out what is on, otherwise I am going to ask you. Thanks!

Btw. SD comments do not need to be signed, since the software manages all contributions and puts user names and timestamps above them. Experienced users might also like the wikitext mode of SD, to be actived in the lower right corner of the input field.

Previous discussion was archived at User talk:MisterSynergy/Archive 1 on 2015-11-09.

Bitte um Erläuterung zur Löschung von Q131006980. Mir ist nicht ersichtlich, warum das im Gegensatz zu anderen verbreiteten politischen Schlagwörtern irrelevant sein sollte.

Hier geht es nicht um "Relevanz" wie bei Wikipedia, sondern um die Frage ob das Datenobjekt hinreichend gut beschrieben ist. Und das war hier nicht der Fall, nachdem die entsprechende Seite bei Wikipedia gelöscht wurde.

Wenn Du eine robuste Quelle hast, die den Begriff ordentlich definiert, dann können wir was machen. Ohne seriöse Quellen (oder alternativ Wikipedia-Sitelinks) ist das Datenobjekt hier nicht zu halten.

Wird beim Spiegel zu Beginn des ersten Absatzes klar definiert. Darauf wird sich auch in BT-Drucksachen bezogen. Ich kann das gerne hinzufügen, wenn Du den Eintrag wiederherstellst.

Ist wiederhergestellt. Ich bitte um entsprechenden Ausbau.

These all fulfill the notability: 1) reference wikipedia page, 2) represent a unique and valid entity, 3) fulfills a structural need (stable external reference)

• https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q109861197
• https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q111593922
• https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q111588271
• https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q111527062

It would be prudent if you could restore all similarly deleted items, since they became invalid by deletion and may be referenced from external objects. I don't ask why you have deleted them, maybe you don't remember, the point is to have them to be valid.

Thanks!

Hey Grin, none of those items ever complied with the notability policy, thus they were deleted. Specifically, they do not have had any sitelinks to Wikimedia projects, they were void of external references, and structural need via external usage is not trackable. The items very much look like someone has created and immediately abandoned them, which is unfortunately quite a common pattern.

Nevertheless, I have restored them—but please expand all of them in order to make them compliant with the notability policy.

Thank you for catching and reverting my mistakes with the lifespan entries for items with birth or death dates that were not precise to the year.

I've updated my script to ignore any items less precise than a full year and checking my changes to make sure other items are corrected.

Please undelete Q130375809 and Q130375799. Both are to be used in Q130230166 and v:Talk:WikiJournal of Science/The Himalayan fossil hoax, thus fulfilling notability #3 (a structural need). Thanks in advance.

Both are restored. Please expand these items with references in order to make them useful for everyone.

Hello MisterSynergy, I am not a great expert on Wikidata's admissibility policies, but this is about pages deleted the day before. In this case, four characters from the Japanese animated series ''Dragon Ball GT'' (Tagoma, General Rilldo, Ledgic and Don Kee) were deleted because they were "Empty items" (which was true at that moment). Also, they were deleted a first time when the redirects that concerned them were deleted on one of the Wikipedia sites (the list that hosted them was subject to an admissibility procedure), while they remained in place for a year without incident. So, if their admissibility is proven, should we enter for example the "MyAnimeList character ID" so that they can be kept?

Hey Ellicrum, can you please provide Q-IDs so I can have a more detailed look at the matter?

In general, as long as serious sources are referenced, admissibility shouldn't be an issue here. The mentioned identifier might help to make those items compliant with the notability policy.

Noted MisterSynergy, here are the coordinates:

* Tagoma (Q130387682)

* General Rilldo (Q130387722)

* Ledgic (Q130387686)

* Don Kee (Q130387710)

They are also present in other databases (aniDB, Anime Characters Database or Anime_Planet), but I don't know if these are valid sources for Wikidata.

All restored. Please improve them in order to avoid re-deletion.

Thank to you, in any case I know a little more about the site's policy.

Hello! Would it be possible to restore Q130332482? It's a stub item I'm returning to to enhance, and it is an item to which I will be adding the statement on focus list of Wikimedia project WikiProject New York Public Library as NYPL holds the Clairmont family papers archival collection. Please let me know of any questions!

restored, please improve it

Hi MisterSynergy,

through my work at wikidata, I figured out that some people which are deleting items are not writing "accurate" like you.

For example, you write "Does not meet the notability policy: content was: "ABCDE"

But others just write "deleted page Q123456789 (RfD: Not notable)"

I always "hate" when this appears, because a volunteery person who is using time to create something good, does not now which item was deleted, when their is no history visible. The "Deletion log" is not helpful.

May be you can help and show me any explaining page, how I could figure out which items were deleted.

My fair question are:

1) how can I see which item it was? I fairly would understand, if a item I created it is not notable but it should be fair for th the volunteer getting his "work" back. Even a change of a item is documented in a history tab but after deletion, only admins or backrollers are seeing this according to

2) why are other deleting persons are not following your schema? In your schema I could decide, Okay he is right, its not notable, So I leave it. But without your schema it is unclear what was deleted for the user. Even in OpenStreetMap you can see everything and it is understandable.

Is there a "Deletion workshop page" for persons who want to delete stuff, to discuss the schema / transparency for users? (I dont want to delete stuff, but like to understand more. I also try to fix things through merging and do QAQC. So merging is like a deletion of one of the duplette.)

3) How can I get back a historic version of a deleted item (not a undeletion, I mean, just seeing the version of the data of the item before deletion). I know there is the wikidata Dump but, If it is just one JSON, it should be possible to get this data and leave the decision by the deleting person / marked for deletion"-person and go on.

4) I also do not understand, why there is this "fast quick deletion process", and not a friendly alert / hint "hey your creation is not 100% right, could you please add more references?" even one week before deletion

5) As I see your "User talk", you get into interaction after deleting with the users. Is this the normal process? For that, they know what is deleted becuase of your schema. So thank you for beeing more transparent than others!

6) Why do yu have this nice user talk page, How can I implement this ? I saw people with many user talk also archive that. Is this somewhere described how to install it?

It would be really nice if you can help

Thanks a lot

Let me ask in bullet points, I hope that I do not forget any aspects.

• The deletion dialogue has two fields, a dropdown menu and a free text field. Based on the selection in the dropdown menu, there is alreadys a default text in the free text field provided—some of them contain a label of the deleted item in some language in order to indicate to users what the content of the item was about. You can see at MediaWiki:Deletereason-dropdown what the default values are. Admins can, however, overwrite or modify the default values at their discretion. Please also mind that sometimes the item labels are not suitable for display in a public log file.
• You can see items created by you, but meanwhile deleted, at https://xtools.wmcloud.org/pages/www.wikidata.org/Ms040got/all//deleted. By default, you do not have any insight into which content was behind these items, but you may ask the deleting admins what it was. The deleting admin is also able to explain to you what was wrong, and whether there is a chance to get the item undeleted.
• We do have the page Wikidata:Requests for deletions. It is meant to make admins aware of items that shall be deleted, and there is no minimum dwell time for cases listed on the page.
• Item pages may even be deleted without any prior discussion or notification ("fast quick deletion process"), and this happens to the vast majority of cases (usually some thousands per week). Wikidata is at its core a project where automated editing dominates over manual editing by a wide margin, and this applies to item creation as well. We have difficulties to keep up with non-notable item creation with this "fast quick deletion" mode, and it is way beyond our capacities as a community to discuss cases on an individual level when item creation is often automated and not related to any significant cost/effort.
• If an item has been deleted and you disagree, you should usually first contact the deleting item and ask for undeletion, and what was missing from the item that led to its deletion. Depending on the situation, undeletion might often be a rather straightforward process—but not always, of course.
• The format of this user page is called a "structured discussions board", a software which the Wikimedia foundation has written almost 10 years ago. It is unfortunately in the process of being removed from Wikimedia wikis, thus there is no possibility anymore to activate it—and I think I will be losing mine as well in the future.

Hope that helps. Otherwise feel free to ask follow-up questions.

Hallo, könntest du bitte dieses Item undeleten?

Der Dialekt ist ein wichtiger Bestandteil anderer Datenbanken und dementsprechend Notable. Z.B hier wird er direkt verlikt (unter Kolonialvenezianisch)

Danke!

Erledigt, aber das Datenobjekt ist komplett leer. Kannst Du da bitte Informationen ergänzen?

Klar, Vielen Dank!

Hello there, please restore this item Q125191253 and it seems that this person was popular and he has a million followers on social media but there are references that stated him (incl. Newsweek) as usual. Telex80 (talk) 00:58, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

The item has been deleted by User:Ymblanter. Please contact them first.

It looks like the bot that updates Wikidata:Database reports/Deaths at Wikipedia(and subpages) stopped working sometime in July. I noticed on that page's Talk that you had talked about getting it working a couple years ago; if you are still responsible for it, would it be possible to get it up and running again? If not, who should I talk to?

Thanks for the notice.

The bot uses the petscan tool for data retrieval in the background, and it seems that the petscan endpoint has changed recently. I have updated it and triggered the job to run now, and based on this diff I am optimistic that it is fit again. The other reports will likely take a couple of hours to update as well.

Thanks for the quick fix! It looks good to me now.