Property talk:P8471
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links an adjective to a noun (e.g. lunar → moon), or an adverb to an adjective (e.g. slowly → slow); the sense pertains/relates to the target sense
Represents | pertainym (Q86527217) | |||||||||
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Data type | Sense | |||||||||
Example | no label (L689688-S1) → no label (L689693-S1) no label (L7279-S1) → no label (L1388-S1) no label (L1233081-S1) → no label (L1233079-S1) | |||||||||
See also | periphrastic definition (P7219), demonym (P1549), demonym of (P6271), hyperonym (P6593), antonym (P5974), synonym (P5973) | |||||||||
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List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8471#Entity types
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P8471#Scope, SPARQL
What is a pertainym? Adjective or noun?
[edit]@ArthurPSmith, VIGNERON, Liamjamesperritt, Moebeus:
As the suggestor for the property, I did not clearify what a pertainym was, and I suppose the meaning of the concept has an effect on how we describe and label the property. I see two different meanings:
- A pertainym is an adjective that relates to a noun, "Danish" is the pertainym, while the linked concept is the noun "Denmark". In this case the label could "is a pertainym to". Note that the situation could also be adverb to adjective (slowly/slow).
- A pertainym is a noun that related to an adjective. So "Danmark" would be the pertainym and the label could be "has the pertainym".
When I look at the literature and examine the writings of the wordnet people and other sources, I am confused. Here is a selection:
- https://globalwordnet.github.io/gwadoc/#pertainym seems to meaning #2: Citation from "Examples": 'lunar has pertainym moon naval has pertainym navy; slowly has pertainym slow English has pertainym England; English has pertainym English "language"'
- On Hidden Semantic Relations between Nouns in WordNet [1] about #1
- "Q-WordNet: Extracting Polarity from WordNet Senses" [2] "ad-verbs are pertainyms of adjectives" seems to be #1
- Wikidata defined by Moebeus [3] "word, usually an adjective, which can be defined as "of or pertaining to" another word" is #1.
- "Identifying Relationships Between Entities in Text forComplex Interactive Question Answering Task" [4] "e.g. adjective “English” and itspertainym “England”" seems to be #2.
As far as I understand, the pertainym relationship is directional, not symmetric like "antonym". — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 10:46, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
@Fnielsen: I had never heard of "pertainym" before this came about and had to look it up in Wiktionary. That's where the definition I entered comes from, word for word: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/pertainym In other words, I'm not an authority on this by any means. Moebeus (talk) 11:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
- @Fnielsen: I had assumed #1 - the value would be an adjective or adverb. Definitely not intended to be bi-directional, but if there's a clear meaning that's different from how we're using it, maybe we should change the label - "adjective or adverb sense of or pertaining to this sense" ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:17, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
usefull for translations?
[edit]@Fnielsen, ArthurPSmith, VIGNERON, Liamjamesperritt:
The most recent version of Wikidata for Firefox uses this property to deduce translations for a given word based on the following reasoning:
truely (L201745) S1 | → pertainym of → | truth (L6120) S1 | → item for this sense ↘ | truth (Q7949) |
wahr (L630690) S1 | → pertainym of → | Wahrheit (L3383) S1 | → item for this sense → | |
本当に/ほんとうに (L671856) S1 | → pertainym of → | 本当/ほんとう (L680773) S1 | → item for this sense ↗ |
words that are a pertainym of a word that has an item for this sense in common are considered as synonymous:
now my question is: is this actually a good line of reasoning? – Shisma (talk) 18:21, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- @Shisma: great! There may be some edge case (I can't think of one right now) but yes, I think it's mostly logic. Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 07:03, 15 July 2022 (UTC)