Property talk:P2579

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studied in
subject is studied by this science or domain
[create Create a translatable help page (preferably in English) for this property to be included here]
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2579#Value type Q1047113, Q17737, Q2267705, Q2465832, Q408891, Q7254446, Q42240, Q336, Q105606485, Q11862829, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2579#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P2579#Scope, SPARQL

Subclass of « field of study » ?

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@D1gggg: : In reference to this edit https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Property:P2579&diff=558887217&oldid=558886768 Why not an instance of academic discipline ? author  TomT0m / talk page 13:17, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@TomT0m: I also think that "instance of" is acceptable, and I changed "subclass of" (Q21514624) to "instance or subclass of" (Q30208840). --Neo-Jay (talk) 11:03, 30 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Student?

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@UWashPrincipalCataloger: I noticed that you added "student" (Q48282) to value-type constraint of P2579 ("studied by", see this) and type constraint of P2578 ("studies", see this), which were originally limited to science or domain. I think that "student" (Q48282), as instance of occupation and subclass of person, should be used as value of P3095(practiced by), not P2579 (studied by), or be used as subject of P425 (field of this occupation) or P101 (field of work), not P2578 (studies). It seems that you like to distinguish "studied by" from "practiced by". But the phrase "studied by" in "studied by physics" and that in "studied by physics student" have different meanings. In some, if not many, languages other than English, the phrases used in these two situations are different. We need to discuss this issue before deciding to change constraints of P2579 (studied by) and P2578 (studies). I have reverted your edits. Please let me know if you disagree. --Neo-Jay (talk) 21:23, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think it's not correct to say that a physics student practices physics, since the student is learning the subject, not practicing it as a profession. One can study something without becoming a practitioner of it. Similarly, I don't think it is correct to say that the field of work of a physics student is physics. A student is not necessarily working in that field. This would be particularly true for, say, a foreign language student. For example, a French student is studying and learning French language, but French language is not their field of work or the field of an occupation. I was a biology student for many years (undergraduate and post-graduate), but I have never worked in the biology field and would not have ever considered myself a biologist. I studied the academic discipline of biology. But it would be misleading to say I practiced biology or it was my field of work. It was my field of study (Q2267705). Maybe property for field of study is needed? UWashPrincipalCataloger (talk) 18:39, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Many thanks for your message. I agree that "field of study" is different from "field of work" (P101) and can be created as a new property, which is broader than "academic major" (P812). Do we need to create "studied by (a group of humans)" as the inverse property of "field of study"? If so, its English label has to be clearly distinguished from P2579 ("studied by" (science or domain)). Maybe use "learned by" as its label? Probably we do not need to create an inverse property for "field of study", since "field of work" (P101) also does not have an inverse property. --Neo-Jay (talk) 21:06, 22 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]