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Countries of Africa and Europe

Hi! Could you please translate the names of African and European countries into Xitsonga when possible please? I will try to add the template to each one of them. I translated French as Xifurhwa but I am not sure if it is correct. --Katxis (talk) 20:00, 2 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

No problem, let me know which one you want me to translate. --Thuvack (talk) 20:12, 2 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

I would like to have all of them translated but the following ones are the most important.

• Italy = Ithali
• Portugal = Phochugali
• Russia = Rhaxiya
• Morocco = Morokho
• Botswana = Botswana
• China = Chayina
• Romania = Rhomaniya
• Poland = Polendi
• Japan = Japani
• Malaysia = Malexiya
• South Korea = Khoriya Dzonga

Thanks for your help. --Katxis (talk) 08:45, 3 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

You are wellcome. --Thuvack (talk) 17:33, 4 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

Asia

Could you please translate this? I've seen that "Asia" is translated both as "Asia" and "Axiya", I presume the second is the correct one, isn't it?.

• Asia is the Earth's largest and most populous continent, located primarily in the eastern and northern hemispheres. Asia covers an area of 44,579,000 square kilometers, about 30% of Earth's total land area and 8.7% of the Earth's total surface area. It has historically been home to the world's first modern civilizations and has always hosted the bulk of the planet's human population.

• Tiko-nkulu ra Axiya, i tiko-nkulu leri kulukumba emisaveni naswona leri ngana vanhu votala kutlula matiko-nkulu hinkwawo ya misava. Tiko-nkulu leri ri kumeka e n'walungu na dzonga ramisava. Axiya yi hlanganisa 44,579,000 wati skwe-khilomitara hi ku anama, naswona ri ringana ntsengo wa 30% ya misava hiku angarha. Ritiveka tani hi kaya ra vanhu vanhluvuko wo sungula wa misava naswona ritshamela kuva nanhlayo wa vanhu lavo tala himpfuka ka ku sungula ka knarhi.

I will try to add content to the already existing articles instead of creating new ones. --Katxis (talk) 11:55, 5 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

Above is a close enough to accurate translation I can offer. --Thuvack (talk) 16:01, 5 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

Geography

Coud you please translate these terms?

• Central America = Amrikha yale xikarhi
• South America = Amerikha yale N'walungu
• Caribbean = Khiribiyeni
• Brazil = Brazili
• Chile = Chili
• Argentina = Arjentina
• Colombia = Kholombiya
• Mexico = Meksikho
• United States of America = Amerikha
• Canada = Khanada
• Cuba = Khuba
• Oceania = Oxiyeniya
• United Kingdom = Nghilandhi

Thanks for your help. --Katxis (talk) 19:01, 5 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

There you go. --Thuvack (talk) 19:13, 5 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

More terms

Could you please translate the following countries?

• Zambia = Zambiya
• Zimbabwe = Zimbabwe
• Lybia = Libiya
• Algeria = Aljeriya
• Ghana = Ghana
• Nigeria = Nayojeriya
• Democratic Republic of the Congo = Rhiphabliki ya Xidemokrasi ya Khongo
• Australia = Ostraliya
• New Zealand = Nyuzilendi
• Iran = Irani
• Saudi Arabia = Sawudi Arabhiya
• Israel = Israyeli

With those, I believe we will have the main countries of the world translated into Xitsonga.

Also, could you please translate the following phrase?

• List of articles every African Wikipedia should have. = Nxaxamelo wa matsalwa lwa Wikiphediya ya xi Afrika yifaneleke kuva na wona.

Thanks for your help. --Katxis (talk) 12:53, 6 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

There we go.

Translation

Could you please translate this into Xitsonga?

• History of Africa = Matimu ya Afrika
• Scramble for Africa = Njhekanjekisano hi Afrika
• Economic history of Africa = Matimu ya tamabindzu ya Afrika
• Decolonization of Africa = Kulwela ntshuxeko wa Afrika
• Year of Africa = Lembe ra Afrika

Thanks for your help. --Katxis (talk) 09:27, 9 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

Done -- Thuvack (talk) 17:47, 11 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

Translation

Could you please translate this?

African studies is the study of Africa, especially the continent's cultures and societies (as opposed to its geology, geography, zoology, etc.). The field includes the study of Africa's history (Pre-colonial, colonial, post-colonial), demography (ethnic groups), culture, politics, economy, languages, and religion (Islam, Christianity, traditional religions). A specialist in African studies is often referred to as an "Africanist". A key focus of the discipline is to interrogate epistemological approaches, theories and methods in traditional disciplines using a critical lens that inserts African-centred ways of knowing and references.

Thanks. --Katxis (talk) 12:24, 13 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

Dyondzo-Afrika i tidyondzo mayelana na tiko-nkulu ra Afrika, ngopfu ngopfu mindhzavuko ya rona kuhlanganisa na vanhu va rona (Kuhambana na ntivo-misava, ntivo-mbangu naswin'wana). Tidyondzo leti ti hlanganisa na matimu ya Afrika (Kunga si fika vukolonyi, nkarhi wa vukolonyi, endzhaku ka nkarhi wa vukolonyi), mfumo wa mani na mani (democracy), mindzhavuko, Politiki, Tamabindzu, tindzimi na vukhongeri (Vu Islamu, Vukreste, na vukhongeri bya xintima). Munhu loyi a tivaka ngopfu hi tidyondzo leti, u vuriwa "Mu-Afrikanisi". Mboyamelo wa tidyondzo leti we le ka ku lavisisa matumbuluxele, na maendlele ya dzhavuko hi ku tirhisa mavonele ya swilo ya xi Afrika.

-- Done Thuvack (talk) 18:00, 13 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

Translation

Could you please translate this? The history of Africa begins with the emergence of Homo sapiens in East Africa, and continues into the present as a patchwork of diverse and politically developing nation states. The recorded history of early civilization arose in Egypt (originally as a part of the Kingdom of Kush pre-dating well recorded history[1]), and later in Nubia, the Sahel, the Maghreb and the Horn of Africa. During the Middle Ages, Islam spread west from Arabia to Egypt, crossing the Maghreb and the Sahel. Some notable pre-colonial states and societies in Africa include the Nok culture, Mali Empire, Songhai Empire, Ashanti Empire, Mossi Kingdoms, Mutapa Empire, Kingdom of Mapungubwe, Kingdom of Sine, Kingdom of Sennar, Kingdom of Saloum, Kingdom of Baol, Kingdom of Cayor, Kingdom of Zimbabwe, Kingdom of Kongo, Empire of Kaabu, Ancient Carthage, Numidia, Mauretania, the Aksumite Empire, the Ajuran Sultanate, and the Adal Sultanate.

Thanks for your help and for translating the names of the articles in Nxaxamelo wa matsalwa lwa Wikiphediya ya xi Afrika yifaneleke kuva na wona. --Katxis (talk) 08:38, 14 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

Matimu ya Afrika masungula hi ku tumbuluka ka swimun'wana swa khale (Homo Sapiens) e Vuxa bya Afrika, naswona maya emahlweni kufikela namunthla, tani hi swirhundzu swa matiko lama hluvukaka. Matimu lama tsariweke ya minhluvuko ya khale ma sungula eGibita (Leyi sunguleke tani hi xiphemu xa mfumo wa Khushi lowu nga wa khlale ngopfu ku nagsi tsarima matimmu), enzhaku ka wona ku vile na mfumo wa Nubiya, Saheli na Maghreb e rimhondzeni ra Afrika. Hi malembe ya le xikarhi, vukhongeri bya vu Islamu byi sungule ku ndlandlamuka kuya e vupela dyambu bya Arabhiya kuya e Gibhita naswona byi tsemakanya Mahgreb na Sahel. Swun'wana swa switikwana na mifumo ya nkarhi wa khale ku ngasi fika vukolonyi, swi hlanganisa na ndzahvuko wa va Nok, mfumo wa Mali, mfumo wa Songhai, mfumo wa Ashanti, mfumo wa Mossi, mfumo wa Mutapa, mfumo wa Mapungubye, mfumo wa Sine, mfumo wa Sennar, mfumo wa Saloum, mfumo wa Baoli, mfumo wa Khayori, mfumo wa Zimbabwe, mfumo wa Khongo, mfumo wa Kaabu, mfumo wa khale ka Khathage, mfumo wa Numidiya, Muritaniya, mfumo wa Aksumita, mfumo wa Ajurani na mfumo wa Adali.

Done -- Thuvack (talk) 20:13, 14 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

Translation

Could you please translate this?

Between the 1st and 5th centuries AD, Bantu-speaking peoples migrated from farther north and west. Swahili, and later Arab, commercial ports existed along the coasts until the arrival of Europeans. The area was explored by Vasco da Gama in 1498 and colonized by Portugal from 1505. After over four centuries of Portuguese rule, Mozambique gained independence in 1975, becoming the People's Republic of Mozambique shortly thereafter. After only two years of independence, the country descended into an intense and protracted civil war lasting from 1977 to 1992. In 1994, Mozambique held its first multiparty elections and has remained a relatively stable presidential republic.

Thanks. --Katxis (talk) 08:40, 15 Nyenyankulu 2016 (UTC)

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Country names

Hello. Thank you very much for your work. I have found some country names are translated, such as Furhwa, while others don’t seem to be yet, such as United Kingdom. I would like to know whether you use United Kingdom in Tsonga or it is just English to be translated. I am asking you here because I would like to check the country names in fr:wikt:Catégorie:Pays en tsonga on French Wiktionary. Most of them seem to be just English. — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 12:38, 25 Sunguti 2017 (UTC)

Hi there User:TAKASUGI Shinji, I will check them and translate there.--Thuvack (talk) 17:40, 25 Sunguti 2017 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I’m afraid you are busy involving several projects at the same time. I’d like to confirm one thing: the country names in Template:Yuropa and Template:Europe and Sea are now in English, not in Tsonga, am I right? — TAKASUGI Shinji (talk) 23:43‎, 25 Sunguti 2017 (UTC)

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Translation

How are you doing? I've been quite busy lately but these days I am a bit fee to try to help a bit in here. Could you please translate this?

The "Scramble for Africa" was the invasion, occupation, division, colonization and annexation of African territory by European powers during the period of New Imperialism, between 1881 and 1914. It is also called the Partition of Africa and the Conquest of Africa. In 1870, only 10 percent of Africa was under European control; by 1914 it had increased to 90 percent of the continent, with only Ethiopia (Abyssinia), the Dervish state (present-day Somalia)[1] and Liberia still being independent.

Thanks for your help. --Katxis (talk) 13:59, 3 Khotavuxika 2017 (UTC)

Hi there Katxis. Herewith translation requested:

"Mphika-makaneta yo fuma Afrika" akuri kuvutla ndzhawu, k'avanyisa na ku fuma tiko-nkulu ra Afrika hivukolonyi bya matiko ya Yuropa, exikarhi ka lembe ra 1881 kuya eka 1914. Mhaka leyi yithlela yi vuriwa K'avelana hi Afrika. Hi lembe ra 1870, kwalomu ka 10 wati phesente ta tiko-nkulu ra Afrika ariri ehansi ka vufumi bya Yuropa, vufumi lebyi anase byi tlakukile byiva tiphesenti ta 90 kuya fika hilembe ra 1914, naswona akulo sala matiko ya Etopiya (Abhisiniya), Mfumo wavu Dervhe (Kumbe Somaliya)[1] na Layibheriya, lawa amatifuma.

Thuvack (talk) 10:10, 5 Khotavuxika 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. Could you also please translate this?

• Pre-colonial African states
• Exploration of Africa: The geography of North Africa has been reasonably well known among Europeans since classical antiquity in Greco-Roman geography. Northwest Africa (the Maghreb) was known as either Libya or Africa, while Egypt was considered part of Asia.

Thank you for your help. --Katxis (talk) 13:14, 5 Khotavuxika 2017 (UTC)

Selfclosing tags

Hello! You reverted and edit of mine [1]. I fixed a self closing tag that will probably not work after the replacement of Tidy (please refer to mw:Parsing/Replacing Tidy. As I edited it the tag does now the same job, but will continue to work after the replacement of the parser. Kind regards! Ah3kal (talk) 07:54, 12 Mawuwani 2017 (UTC)

@ Ah3kal, I had to do the revert, as I see before your edit, someone had overwritten the article via translation tool. You are welcome to look at the article again.--Thuvack (talk) 08:02, 12 Mawuwani 2017 (UTC)

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Good day. I have edited some of the contents you wrote on the Tsonga Wikipedia page, including instances where: (1) You wrote "Machangani/Matsonga" and where you referred to all Tsonga groups as "Machangani" - This discredits the pre-history of the Tsonga people and reduces their history to the times of Soshangane ka Zikode who ruled a small portion of such groups during the 1820s-1850s. Documented history about the Tsonga groups stretches to as far back as the 1400s. (2) You wrote a praise stating "Swihluke swa Nghunghunyana" - This statement was a remark passed to Chief Njhakanjaka as a way to criticise him during the times of the Hudson Ntsanwisi administration; as time proceeded it was generalized to the entire Hlanganani district; it is not a general ethnic praise of all Tsonga people. I noticed earlier you translated it to mean "people who come from Nghunghunyane"; this is misleading and in contradiction to the origins of the Tsonga ethnic group, beacause Tsonga people do not "come" from neither Nghunghunyane nor his grandfather Soshangane ka Zikode. (3) In instances where you replaced the Xitsonga language with "Xichangane" - This is in contradiction to the South African standardized language system and "Xichangane" is not recognised as a particular language in the South African Constitution. (4) In instances where you used Zulu words where Xitsong should be used - For example "Vuqambi" and "Mnumzana" is not Xitsonga. Where you wrote "Vuqumbi" should be "Vunsini" and "Mnumzana" should be "Wanuna" or "Tatana". It is recommended to consult a proper Xitsonga dictionary or true Xitsonga speakers for words that are unfamiliar to you. LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM YOU. Maxakadzi (discuss • contribs) 18:20, 5 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello there Maxakadzi... I am so glad to hear from you!!! First of... thank you for the string of edits you committed to the Xitsonga Wikipedia. It has been a lonely place for the past 8 years and I am thrilled to have a new user come in and being bold to do the edits!!! :-). I am well aware of the points that you raised above as well as the long winding case of Hosi Eric Nxumalo through our constitutional court. In the end, the work of an encyclopedia is to represent all facts for all sides. I look forward to having more conversations with you around this contentious subject in our Vatsonga nation and finding ways of representing the history of Amashanghana in relation to their interactions with Vatsonga. I have sent you a private email with my contact details and would enjoy a sit-down talk with you if you are based anywhere in Gauteng. Looking forward to hearing from you. --Thuvack | ^{talk | Blog} 05:40, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

I am aware of the extensive work you have done on the Xitsonga Wikipedia page over the past years, it is an admirable and commendable effort. It is apparent that you have not been receiving much help in editing on this platform, which I believe is mostly based on the belief the it is not a place to get reliable information. It therefore seems necessary to lend assistance in improving such reliability. A lot of the information you used, however, comes from a reliable source, namely the works by Henri A. Junod who studied the social and psychic life of the Tonga and Rhonga people of Mozambique and South Africa. I have been tasked with an ongoing project as part of a diverse team to research and verify information relating to our history. I receive some assistance from local headmen and chiefs on different sides, such as from N'wamitwa, Malamulele, Hlanganani and Tzaneen where information requires verification. With regards to the Mpisane issue it has stood in court that the Amashangene are Nguni and also identify themselves as such. All claims of Mpisane were dismissed in South Africa's High Court. It is also proven that Soshangane (whom the name Amashangane comes from) placed himself as a king of the Gaza-Ndwandwe however was never recognized as a Tsonga king. Also, history shows that double-barrel classifications and forged unity causes a lot of instability in cultural values, for instance the Sotho-Tswana who have always had diverging traditions and are now separate cultural identities; and the Xhosa-Mpondo who also somewhat differ culturally and are recognized as distinct cultural groups. It is clear to all of us that the Amashangane are a different cultural institution altogether since they do not practice Tsonga customs such as Vungoma and Vukhomba, among other traditions, and they also speak in the Zulu language or something similar. All of these facts are counter to the Tsonga cultural identity. It comes across that the Amashangane as well have a problem identifying as of Tsonga origin. Moving forward it is advisable to have a separate Wikipedia portal for the Amashangane culture and language, in bringing forth a social cohesion (I will offer my assistance with this).

I am unfortunately not based in Gauteng and it seems appropriate to have our interactions remain as part of the online Wikipedia community. I hope we have an engaging cooperation in an effort to disseminate reliable and verifiable information to the public.

Maxakadzi (discuss • contribs) 09:42, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Great stuff. I am happy for us to work together to build the resource of ts.Wikipedia. As I said before, I have sent you a private email and I hope we can continue our discussions and make plans via email. I would be happy to travel to Limpopo some time in January 2018 if needs be. For now we can continue to engage via ts.wikipedia. I would also like to send you more links and resources on accepted practices in Wikipedia, which I believe will assist us to build an online community of editors governed by transparent code of conduct and ethos. Again, Welcome to Wikipedia. It would be lovely if you can add a bit more about yourself on your Xitsonga User page. I will move this conversation to my Xitsonga User talk page for ease of reference. Regards -- Thuvack | ^{talk | Blog} 19:39, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

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