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I’m very happy to see that there are fair alternatives to monsters like Google and Apple
I’d love to pay up for a better camera module. I don’t want to miss great shots due to a bad camera. Moments with small kids are too precious. Ob the performance front I’m pretty sure I’m past needing flagship level chips
Phone makers need to understand that a missing headphone jack is a dealbreaker.
Tho it wouldn’t be if companies would at least put two usb ports on the devices. I’d be fine using usb wired earbuds as long as I don’t have to give my phone one of those dumb splitter tails.
Even though the reasons for ditching the headphone jack were specious I’d rather have a USB Type C port with video output capabilities
Yeah idgaf about headphones ports anymore, USB headphones have gotten me spoiled. But a second USB port would be awesome
is a dealbreaker.
*for you
I would say it’s a pretty big annoyance but not a deal breaker to me. USB-C to 3.5 dongles are cheap and not that annoying if you get a flexible one
The USB C charging ports on my phones tend to become unreliable over time. It’s manageable for charging as you can not move the phone once it’s plugged in, but listening to music on the go becomes impossible.
Yea, but it does not work right! And Google, won’t fix the old bug where the sound stops and starts every damn time the audio lowers!
I have two, they are flexible, and I find them obnoxious to have to use. I specifically chose my current phone because it has a headphone jack, and I won’t make the mistake of missing that again.
I disagree. Cables are annoying, especially with something I have to wear on my head. My last headset broke after the cable kept getting tangled. And it wasn’t made to be repairable.
Though a second USB port would be fantastic
Well good news, you can still do bluetooth on a phone that has a headphone jack.
And it wasn’t made to be repairable.
And wireless earbuds are? How many earbud batteries crap out after less than a year? I really don’t think jamming tiny lithium batteries into everything is the more sustainable option here.
Earphone jacks are last resort for me.
Please. Like 5 people still use headphone jacks
Bluetooth is great
Bluetooth is SO FAR FROM GREAT. it is, in fact, terrible.
Wont connect to the right’profile’ Connects to wrong device, Misprioritizes devices, Confuses which audio sink you want Will not reliably remember preferences and settings. Connects as telephone whether you want it to or not. Connects automatically w/out asking making you fiddle with settings every time. Requires menus/screens and setting shit just to function…as opposed to, say ‘just plug it in’ Broadcasts an easily exploitable signal to everyo e nearby Constantly needs battery/charge Has to ‘talk’ to you to function Very little if any standardization for pairing/trusting across MFG companies… i mean stop me anytime to let me know how flippi g “great” it is. We traded dead simple, reliable, universal tech for this deeply flawed, frustrating garbage just so we could say “look, no cables!!”
No, bluetooth is not great. Just because you don’t use something doesn’t mean other people are like you.
It only is for a very small segment
It makes no sense to say it’s for a very small segment when we weren’t given the choice in the first place.
… what you’re saying doesn’t make any sense. If you were to ask all smart phone users about the jack, most people wouldn’t care much, ergo: only a small segment cares.
That doesn’t change just because of how the jack was phased out.
That’s just how things evolve
Prove it.
People are still buying them.
If they’re a “deal breaker” then phones would not be selling.
It’s not a deal breaker, it’s just a major pain in the ass, and my next phone will absofuckinglutely have a headphone jack.
I would legit pay Fairphone extra at this stage if they would ship to Canada, either at my home or at a pickup location like Staples, Canada Post, or Purolator.
Agreed. I’m honestly a bit surprised they haven’t moved into the Canadian market. Heck, I heard that their international insurance ppl let you buy them in the USA, home of Google Fascists, but you still can’t buy them in Canada, a country that’s had a significant trend to decouple from US tech for over a year now.
I feel like I should start looking at shoulder holsters or other extremely cool accessories when phones are this big. How do you guys carry this shit? Cargo pants?
Pocket
So cargo pants? I tried using a google pixel 9 (the smallest model) and found that I cannot sit down when the phone is in my pocket.
Is my penis too large?
Back pocket
https://varusteleka.com/en/products/varusteleka-tactical-jeans-v2
If only more manufacturers knew how to make pockets.
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We cant see, can ya post a pic? We’re gonna need a banana in the pic for scale.
The pen is mighty.
My phone is quite large and fits in all my pants pockets. And they’re not cargo
Also penis too large bro what 😂
Also penis too large bro what 😂
The only plausible reason why I cannot fit those phones in my pocket while nobody else is having trouble!
Maybe the reason is because you got thighs the size of buffalo’s?
don’t matter how big it is if you never get to use it
Cargo for me with all phones so far.
When will it support GrapheneOS? I’m going to keep using last-gen used Pixels until another company comes up with an alternative.
GrapheneOS has some very strict requirements which basically means they will refuse to support anything except Pixel phones. Fairphone isn’t in the business of making their own (security) chips so I doubt the Graphene team will ever consider them.
CalyxOS, arguably the next best thing, did have support for earlier Fairphones but that project is sort of in limbo now.
The Graphene team has also been very outspoken about how much they dislike Fairphone for this very reason.
I use /e/OS on my Fairphone 5. It’s not a Graphene alternative as it’s not a hardened OS, it’s just Android without Google. Good enough for me, I’m not afraid of secret agents stealing my phone to extract data or whatever, I just don’t want American big tech anywhere near my phone.
Can tou use google wallet?
Short answer is no, but you can buy a card holder that integrates into the case: https://shop.fairphone.com/shop/fairphone-6-card-holder-1895?category=5&color=188
I thought I’d miss not having contactless phone payments but actually the card holder thing is fine.
Yeah absolutely I thought it would be fine but in my country we only have 2 banks and Revolut all of which only use google wallet. Other than that using the card has a limit.
Android auto is a major need for me too
There’s a blog post on contactless payments in /e/OS here, which talks about options without Google Pay. It’s written by the guy who started /e/OS, so it should be a decent source.
My guess would be that Google Wallet is so embedded in Google dependencies that you’d pretty much be back at stock Android by the time you get it working. But I have no personal experience, sorry.
to be fair I don’t think they like anything besides Google Pixel.
Yeah, this is true. They just seem to have a specific beef against Fairphone and /e/OS because it’s presented as a privacy alternative (due to no big tech tracking), and the Graphene team believes they are the only ones with the security features to ensure true privacy (because of their… hardened malloc?).
Last time I heard they were working with someone to produce a phone with the needed features, but hadn’t revealed who.
Same. Like, I can tolerate hackers more than big tech. What is the deal with the security chips? I don’t want some shitty fuse or anything in my phone.
They (Graphene) have very strong ideas about security, and argue that Google Pixel devices are the only ones that can truly be unhackable enough because of some feature of hardware design. I have read it a bunch of times and I still don’t understand, but I’m sure there’s a valid point there somewhere. It has nothing to do with security as in safety, but relates to some sort of local hacking that requires access to the device I believe.
Really nothing to worry about unless you have very specific needs, in my opinion. But there are some people who feel very strongly about it, though without ever being able to clearly express their precise concerns in a coherent way.
TPM chips are not a mythical thing that only Google makes.
STM makes the ST33 series of TPM that I would trust a hell of a lot more than google to not have a dozen government backdoors.
Microchip, Analog Devices, Infineon, NXP, and onsemi also make TPM chips of varying security levels. Infineon is the premium TPM maker with the highest security if I remember right, a German company.
The issue is they are 3-10€ for the chip alone, which is a significant BOM cost, and it takes a lot of very specific knowledge in firmware and software to actually implement and google probably keeps the android integration methods very hidden. It is very much an intentional vendor lock out.
Yeah, I ran Calyx for a while - it was… not a great user experience. If I am forced to change at some point, I’ll reconsider it. That said, Graphene’s trying to move off of the Pixel platform. I just haven’t looked to see if there are any updates since that piece of info reached me.
Yeah, I ran Calyx for a while - it was… not a great user experience.
What was the problem?
People want Grapheneos on insecure phones, made by OEMs with a poor history of security patches, with an unlocked bootloader, and root. I personally say those people should use LineageOS because fundamentally that’s not GrapheneOS is. The second you water it down from software that can’t be hacked by any state actor to just another OS but marginally more secure the name becomes just another brand.
Im gonna be honest I don’t see how that would help if anything it would only make things more confusing. That would require the GrapheneOS devs to maintain a separate and significantly less secure OS for what reason?
This is a graphene problem.
Gos is not suitable until they leave the pixel series.
Written on my pixel 10 that I had Gos on. I never wanted a pixel just a good camera and locked down environment.
I was about to say the same thing!
I’m coming at the same desire from the other end, using my fairphone until I can jump ship for graphene.
I’m posting with one. I like it so far. waiting for the official lineageOS to be released, I’m running unofficial now.
Why not use /e/?
I’m just really used to lineage, I’ve used it for years on a lot of phones.
I have that one. /e is fine for me. Can’t think of a bother other than I had to delete that MicroG shit making calls home. Had to hack phone to remove it but it’s easy so…
Did they already bring back the 3.5mm jack? o.O
If only… I considered the Fairphone 6, but the missing jack port was a deal-breaker for me. Went with a midrange Motorola instead.
Looks like not, which immediately ruins the phone
I’m so glad the vote ratio finally caught up to headphone jack jihadists lol
I don’t really see why it’s such a dealbreaker for so many. Hardly any phones have 3.5mm, and for those that don’t, you can just put a dongle on the end of your existing wired headphones.
A USB-C dongle requires you to first insert the dongle and then insert the headphones. Otherwise, the phone doesn’t register them.
It is a dealbreaker for me because I hate having to worry about batteries everywhere. I had some in my helmet, and the thing kept interrupting my music because it had to tell me the batteries were low. The entire trip, every damn minute.
Fuck that shit, I already have a battery, it is right in my phone.
And I am not going to spend more than 20€ on headphones either when you can get wired literally for free.
USB C headphones are not a solution unless the device has at least two USB C ports but they can’t be bothered to do that either. Bluetooth headphones have to be charged, are more expensive, and are more fragile so they are also not a solution.
See what they’ve done to you… what they’ve done…to all of us.
Because it’s ubiquitous, allows headphones without needing charged, and allows movement around the jack as opposed to the USB c port.
It’s a great design and the best part is that if it’s included it doesn’t preclude anyone from using Bluetooth headphones if they so choose.
I understand why some people have use for the 3.5 mm jack, what I don’t understand is why in the world you would ever let that be the one thing that stops you from choosing an otherwise great phone.
You are artificially limiting your choice to an extreme degree over a feature that only a microscopic minority of people care about, and one that you can easily get over by either using a dongle or usb-c headphones.
The only thing you can’t do is charge the device while using said headphones (unless they have wireless charging but let’s assume they don’t), but even then phones charge so fast to 50% these days that I never found this to be an actual problem. Unless you’re listening to music non-stop for like 10 hours straight, but that seems unlikely.
It just feels so absurd to me that people hammer on and on about how this is an insurmountable deal breaker. I happily use my wired IEMs with my Pixel phone every day and never once have I felt like I’m losing out on anything.
I do have a lot of headsets but no phone to use them with, but what bothers me most about Fairphone in particular is the hypocrisy.
They are all sustainable and “fair” and all that jazz, but just like all the corpos they removed the jack to sell their wireless buds…
To me, not buying a phone without a 3.5mm is the way I get my voice heard. I am voting with my wallet against taking away features.
I do not care that I am a minority, and that most people are happy to use Bluetooth.
I have very good headphones and I do not want to think about charging them and I do not want to fiddle with dongles that I have to pay for either.
No 3.5, no buy. Period.
I guess you do you. But it just sounds like you’re yelling at clouds to me when you could just have gotten over this by now. I’ve been using wired headphones with my usb-c port for years with no problem (phone about to hit 4 years, same dongle I’ve had for like 6 years, daily listening).
I cannot imagine hampering my phone choices to this degree (basically excluding like 90% of phones) just for a statement that will make no difference since the majority of people don’t even use wired headphones (so I’m a minority there since I do use wired, I’ve just learned that using a dongle is totally fine).
I cannot imagine hampering my phone choices to this
I doubt your lack of imagination is important enough to affect our decision making paradigms, but thanks anyway. I’m personally sick of being told that comprises like this are courageous, and that I should want something I know I do not.
No 3.5, no buy.
- using a cumbersome dongle introduces a single point of failure for a port which is required to stay us able for your phone to function
- using a dongle introduces a single point of failure for your ability to listen to things, so you’d better hope you only have one pair of headphones, or that you never misplace tiny wires.
- using a dongle is an additional cost to purchasing the phone
- it’s a matter of principle, as it is a symptom of the continuing enshittification of all modern life.
- using wireless headphones depletes two batteries at once.
- Sure, don’t like a 3.5mm jack, despite the backwards compatibility with older headphones? Fine, but there is no good reason I can think of for there not to just be a second USB port down there. Additional data ports are good, and allow the device to be used for even more flexible, niche purposes, beyond being a redundancy against a single point of failure.
What you say is valid in theory, but in practice I have really not seen it pan out. In the end I still cannot fathom rejecting 90% of phone on the market, hampering everything I want from a phone, just to make an empty statement about a port almost nobody uses.
I’ve had my current phone for almost 4 years, I have wired headphones (so I’m already a minority), I have only had 1 dongle which I use everyday with it, and everything is completely fine and shows no signs of changing. The phone’s battery is so much more likely to die before the usb port ever does.
It just seems like an issue that has been clearly solved and I see no reason to ruin all your phone choices over it.
Dude. The people rejecting 90% of the phone market aren’t doing it to make a statement. They are the people using the damn port. Every single one of them.
They wouldn’t be complaining if they didn’t use it themselves.
fair point, but…just replace the USB port? it’s repairable for a reason…
Saying “not only should you have to buy a peripheral, but you should plan to have to replace the port every once in a while, just so you can have basic functionality” is just clearly not an optimal solution. As someone who has seen how >80% of the dongles you buy just fail to function, constantly destroy the ports they’re plugged into, and sometimes just physically self-destruct when you stare at them from the wrong angle like some collapsing wave-function, I think I’ll keep arguing for the added flexibility, redundancy and ease of use without additional peripherals which a second port would provide, with virtually no downside.
Bluetooth still can’t use HiFi audio either.
Hardly any phones have 3.5mm NOW. Google started this shit, and I do not forgive. I do not forget.
However, there is simply no reason why the manufacturers SHOULDN’T put a second USB port down there, since it would allow for dongle-less use of wired headphones, listening while charging, open up many more niche uses for the hardware, AND it would provide a redundancy for what is, in most cases, the only method of charging and accessing the data on the device
*Apple started this shit, Google laughed at them. Initially, that is.
the essential phone did it first! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essential_Phone#Connectors
Fair enough. I literally do not even mentally consider apple to be a smartphone producer, because the market for apple is “I want a brick that is a slightly smaller status symbol than the last $1000+ brick I paid you for”, while android was a market with competition, open-source development, and hardware selection. When apple removed the headphone jack for a proprietary port, I saw it as just more of apple requiring you to pay $100 for another proprietary cord that would fall apart in 3 months. I remember when google decided to remove the headphone jack, and at that point, I knew that everyone else would follow. that is what I do not forgive. It also happened to occur around the point at which I first read cloud atlas and snow crash, and began to clearly perceive what was coming for our world, so that is one of the primary acts I remember as defining the enshittification of the world of personal computing, as the true death knell of backwards compatibility and flexibility, in favour of a smartphone just being a Propaganda Brick™
I’ve been using a dongle with my phone for almost two years. Now, every time I charge it, I have to find a “sweet spot” where it actually works and be careful not to move the cable around or it’ll stop charging.
Exactly this. All of those adapters from USB-c to 3.5 are ass no matter how many people try to say to just use them.
Give me a thicker, heavier phone if you have to, just give me the damn headphone jack.
Have you tried cleaning the plug? I find this happens a lot with debris etc.
With a fairphone you could replace it for 15 bucks
But with a good phone they wouldn’t need to
Yeah, I think we’re past that point now. I know the Clicks Communicator has a 3.5mm jack but I really don’t see why. If anyone is thinking about fitting an extra port on their phone I’d sooner see a second USB-C jack.
Agreed.
Got mine yesterday!
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They ship to US. Service is provided through Murena.
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I couldn’t get one shipped directly to Australia, but there are companies in Europe that will forward packages for you.
