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Removed Post The new epstein files drop is crazy!
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Removed Post I declined a job offer because the manager was a short fat woman who reminded me of past people in other jobs that just my life miserable? Is there something wrong with me?
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Removed Comment I hate losers. They are breeding like rats and pigs and creating more losers. We need to start doing loser cleansing and I want to start with the ones who spend too much time in front of screens. Catch em all like theyre pokeman. by gaymer@aussie.zone
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Removed Comment Hey look everyone! Its a retard! by Damorte@lemmy.world
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Removed Post What's a good slur for people who are all-in on Big Tech / surveillance capitalism / data-harvesting?
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Removed Comment Techiots Chuds Whitey by in_my_honest_opinion@piefed.social
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Removed Comment "Libs" is just fully and completely wrong. Don't let the morons in red taint your understanding of politics. by MotoAsh@piefed.social
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Removed Comment Cunts. by ZiggyTheZygote@lemmy.ca
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Removed Comment *AIdiots by AFallingAnvil@lemmy.ca
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Removed Comment Idiots by Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world
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Removed Comment I just call everyone I think is stupid a degenerate. Works great. Applies to many. by galaxy_nova@lemmy.world
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Removed Post Porn posters of Lemmy what drives you?
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Banned MantisToboggon@lemmy.world from the community Asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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Removed Comment I think it's time to send an unsolicited dick pic. by MantisToboggon@lemmy.world
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Removed Comment When this happened to me, I just insulted her a couple of times, nothing terrible, just enough to put her off. (I said she looked like Jerry Seinfeld, because she did.) Optionally, you could casually show her a picture of you in a MAGA hat, I've read that turns off most women immediately. by TrackinDaKraken@lemmy.world
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Removed Comment Boo hoo, it's my life, I decide if it continues or ends. Not you. Not anyone ever. So fuck off. by fyrilsol@kbin.melroy.org
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Removed Comment If I can't truly find a job and my expenses are falling behind, fuck it, mind as well just make an EOL plan (end of life). I absolutely refuse to be on the streets. Because once you fall behind on anything, especially larger expenses, it's pretty much over. You can't recover from that unless you submit yourself to loan-hell. by fyrilsol@kbin.melroy.org
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Removed Comment Yeah, let's see how it works out for you and your marxist book club buddies when you bring a couple rifles and try to start your "righteous revolution"... You will be crushed. Violent factions are playing right in to the bait. _Protect_ each other, aid each other... but dont be fucking naive. Fucking leftists vi swear. You cant out-gun the largest military industrial complex in human history. by Profligate_Parasite@lemmy.today
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Removed Post Why are the meme posted on Lemmy so low quality compared to reddit?
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Locked Post what is some advice you have for a freshly 15-year-old girl/enby like me?
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Banned chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world from the community Asklemmy@lemmy.ml
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Removed Comment PART 2 >Former far-right elements made up a portion of the communist government and millitary, as this was only a decade out from World War II. The fact that they were retained doesn’t mean they weren’t fascists, or that they had pulled a full 180. Just a decade prior, Horther’s regime had been gleefully assisting the Nazis, such a complete turnaround is impossible in such a short span of time. Well fascists are still remaining in today's age, I don't need to mention on what is happening in USA with Trump and in Russia with Putin. It cannot be argued that Horthy was a controversial person (liberals like I hate him), an antisemite scum, and enacted policies which were fascist, [like limiting jews number in pursuing higher education to an X number in 1920](https://kultura.hu/en/numerus-clausus-law/), but as the Head of State even having basically absolute power, [he barely used his powers when any then present party made legislations and such.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikl%C3%B3s_Horthy) ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/7a9a6f70-696f-4b23-aa51-f50641a32057.png) Stating that Horthy gleefully assisted the Nazis are incredibly biased, [because this was more nuanced than a simple black and white comparison. ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikl%C3%B3s_Horthy#Uneasy_alliance) While in fact he did part with the Nazi regime more than the USSR, a gleefully nazi supporter wouldn't have banned the Arrow Cross Party. ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/72f5f877-500d-4ebe-9d8e-c366bcf83e3a.png) ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/3d31a610-0858-447c-8c92-b81563c71679.png) Additionally he refused Hitler's demands when he wanted hungarian troops to help the attack on Checzhoslovakia, took in polish refugees in 1939 when the war broke out and helped them escape to the allied powers if they wished to do so, and only joined the war in 1942. [He also wanted to leave from the war in 1944, but he was forced to resign and give power to the banned Arrow Cross Party in threat of his son's life.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Panzerfaust#Capture_of_Horthy) On the other side Horthy ofc done some other vile things, such as the war crime of the Novi Sad raid, [putting jews on forced labor programmes, deporting them to ghettos, etc., but fortunately atleast they weren't so insane to comply with nazi deportation requests in 1942-44.](https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/the-holocaust-in-hungary) [In this case he used his executive powers and replaced the then antisemite party in 1944 and stopped the deportation of Jews into nazi territory, but ofc this feels more like a trying to leave the Axis powers, and not feeling the blood of dead jews on his soul.](![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/46f608b6-a9d3-4608-bf6f-eb1c63c20e34.png)) But let's go back to the 1956 Revolution. You insist of thinking that the whole Revolution was made entirely or mainly by fascists, so let's see [what kind of leaders were present in this revolution.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungarian_Revolution_of_1956#%3A%7E%3Atext=Commanders%2C+leaders) - Imre Nagy -> Main figure of the revolution, former member of the Communist Party (because he was expelled after trying to relax the brutality of stalinist hardliners scums), [held socialistic beliefs who was against stalinism and would have let coalition parties to exist in a socialist framework](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imre_Nagy#%3A%7E%3Atext=By+30+October%2Cpre-1948+coalition+parties). Executed by Kádár - Pál Maléter -> Initially fought with the Axis in WW2, but became a communist and fought against the nazis in Transylvania. Was a member of the Communist Party. [He insisted to only support the revolution if it goes against any horthyst restauration efforts.](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal%C3%A9ter_P%C3%A1l#Mal%C3%A9ter_politikai_elk%C3%A9pzel%C3%A9sei). Executed by Kádár - Miklós Gimes -> Political friend of Imre Nagy. His parents were jews, but he was converted to unitarianism. Founder of Magyar Szabadság. Held socialistic beliefs. Executed by Kádár - Géza Losonczy -> Was a member of the Communist Party. Held socialistic beliefs. Directed the Communist Party led newspaper called Szabad Nép. - Zoltán Tildy -> Christian, former member of the Smallholders' Party. [Voted in the 2nd jew legislation](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tildy_Zolt%C3%A1n_(politikus)), which also limited higher education and factory ownership under an X number. However later he stated that ["anti-Semitism was contrary to the principles of humanity, and warned that it began with hatred of Jews and extended to all men"](https://www.jta.org/archive/hungarian-president-premier-attack-anti-semitism-at-ceremony-marking-ouster-of-jews). and [created a Holocaust memorial.](https://cja.huji.ac.il/hmm/browser.php?mode=alone&id=317066#%3A%7E%3Atext=The+memorial%2Creliefs+for). There is also another document stating he [was present in commemorating jewish victims of the Holocaust](https://www.etd.ceu.edu/2025/kende_agnes.pdf#%3A%7E%3Atext=president+of%2Cthe+municipal). Also he was a part of the antifascist Magyar Front. - Béla Kovács -> Also a member of the Smallholders Party. [He was participating in anti nazi movements](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kov%C3%A1cs_B%C3%A9la_(politikus,_1908%E2%80%931959)). Anti communist. Soviet authorities deported him and sentenced to 20 years, just because of not supporting the Rákosi regime. - Anna Kéthly -> Former member of the Social Democratic Party. [Opposed all anti-jewish legislations](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%A9thly_Anna#%3A%7E%3Atext=K%C3%A9thly+Anna+a+t%C3%A1rsadalmi%2Cb%C3%ADr%C3%A1l%C3%B3j%C3%A1v%C3%A1+v%C3%A1lt). She made socialistic articles. Opposed of merging into the Communist Party, and several of the Social Democratic Party members including her were arrested by the communists. - József Dudás -> Was a member of the Communist Party before WW2, also was a member of the Smallholders party after WW2. Communist beliefs. He was also a member of the antifascist Magyar Front. Executed by Kádár - Sándor Kopácsi -> Not jewish, however his parents and himself were anti-fascists and [hid and rescued their jewish friends](https://collections.yadvashem.org/en/righteous/4039994). They saved Katalin Fodor and Mihály Gyarmathy, Pál Fodor, Miklós Világ, László Neumannn and myriad of others. Sándor specifically rescued Ibolya Fried from a ghetto. [Source 2](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2001-mar-09-me-35493-story.html) - Béla Király -> Fought on the Eastern front with the Axis both before the Arrow Cross got into power and after. [He guarded a jewish batallion in the Don River, where he gave them warm clothing, decent food, and medical attention. Israel gave him the "Righteous Among the Nations" accolade](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9la_Kir%C3%A1ly#%3A%7E%3Atext=Kir%C3%A1ly+saw+combat%2Cof+the+Jewish+prisoners). Joined the Communist Party. Rákosi regime arrested and tried to hang him due to charges on espionage. Ernő Gerő, a hardliner stalinist paroled him. He is the one who became the leader of the Hungarian Freedom Fighters Federation by the CIA in 1963, [where the HFFF was created AFTER the 1956 revolution](https://dokumen.pub/qdownload/east-central-european-migrations-during-the-cold-war-a-handbook.html). You may wish to disprove me that a [HFFF existed before 1956, however this certain HFF was made by the hungarian Communist Party and it's purpose was to train the population, especially with slogans such as "Take your aim at the imperialist enemy! Fire!".](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP82-00046R000200350006-5.pdf) There is no evidence that this HFFF is the same HFFF that Béla became the leader of in 1963 - Gergely Pongrátz -> Definitely anti communist, including his parents. Led the Corvin Köz, part of the rebel military after Pál Maléter. He hated his more communist friendly allies, like Maléter Pál, but cooperated with the nevertheless. I didn't find any specific antismeite or Nazi Germany supporting viewpoints, however he founded the Jobbik party which was undeniably a far-right party in the mid 2000s. As you can see this leadership groups was pretty varied, but it definitely had way more socialist or communist friendly participants than possible fascists. It would be foolish to label the entire revolution led by fascists only on 1 possible fascist out of the 11 definitely non-fascists and primarily socialist leaders. >Downplaying the infestation of anti-semitic pograms described as especially bad in Hungary. The “freedom fighters” restarted the pograms, and would mark the homes of Jews with black crosses, for nightly executions by the fascists. The fact of the matter is that the counter-revolutionary moment was starting and facilitating pograms, while the communists had stopped them. Any antisemite killing is vile, but it is important to distunqish if these were systematically planted by XYZ governments, or these were more individual and isolated cases by crazy antisemite individuals. I can also forge that the russian civil war was lead by fascists if I want to, because some sources claims the jews were persecuted in XYZ places by individuals from the Red Army. But lets go back on Aptheker more then and his book. It is important to know that Aptheker was a soviet apologist communist in the american Communist Party, where this publishment exiled him from said party, which can imply huge bias (as you may call it, a think tank book). Ofc this goes to the other way too. I wouldn't trust a published book made by a nazi or a far-right article made by Orban, but valuable facts can possibly still be present in these if we can verify it. by PrivateNoob@lemmy.ml
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Removed Comment PART 1 >Your source confirms that MI6 aided the fascists. The west took advantage of far-right elements and aided them, they didn’t invent new far-right elements. These claims didn't get any verifications, so it either happened or not. This seems to be why this claim didn't get much popularity in non-communist cirlces, and with independent historians. If true, they were only able to make modest help, all the insurgencies made in all towns and cities were grass-roots movements. It's either wishful thinking or a heavy bias if one wants to believe in unverified claims. >CIA propaganda outlets like Radio Free Europe stoked grassroots resentment against the communists, combined with MI6 training and arming former members of the Arrow Cross Party. The CIA indeed broadcasted the Radio Free Europe, [but only after they got surprised when the revolution has happened](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Hungary). It is important to note that foreign involvement only supported the revolution, and didn't organize it or were physically involved with a bunch of troops such as the USA in the Vietnam war, and the [USSR in the Afghan war](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War) If you are commenting these to undermine the 1956 revolution, then we can also undermine all the insurgencies / revolutions / civil wars if any foreign involvement got into it, even if it was mainly / only by broadcasting radio signals, [like these soviet attempts in regime changes or upholding them](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_involvement_in_regime_change), or [american attempts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change). The claims of the Arrow Cross Party being involved in 1956 [was a propaganda campaign made on false allegations by János Kádár.](https://books.openedition.org/ceup/1598?lang=en#bodyftn1). [This is the source which contains his speeches where Kádár tried to legitimize his regime found on page 460.](https://dokumen.pub/qdownload/the-1956-hungarian-revolution-a-history-in-documents-9789633863862.html) He (rightfully) executed Mihaly Francia Kiss, a former White Terror member probably as a legitimization of his propaganda, [but there is no mention of him being involved in the 1956 uprising](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francia_Kiss_Mih%C3%A1ly). [Not in here either.](http://konfliktuskutato.hu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=285%3Ahungarian-extremists-the-arrow-cross-movement&catid=36%3Aenglish). Kádár never provided proof for these involved Arrow Cross Party members. Any former Cross Party shadow power [was neutered by ÁVH's action in finding political enemies](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Protection_Authority#%3A%7E%3Atext=from+1945+to+1956%2Cpolitical+criminals.). Also in 1944-45, [these nazi scums were executed as well](https://portal.ehri-project.eu/units/us-005578-irn595052). You can only stay on this belief, if you assume that the ÁVH was ineffective at this mission. >This strategy of taking existing levers and massively tilting the scales and facilitating them, forcing more radical action, is the way color revolutions typically play out. So your source says "A colour revolution is a term given to a revolution that appears to be led by the proletariat in search of liberal ideals, but is actually coordinated and funded by imperialist interests. ", and the definition for imperialism saying "It is a global system of economic, political, and military domination, with the imperialist powers using a variety of means, including economic sanctions, military interventions, and cultural influence to maintain their dominance over other nations. " by conveniently saying the non-capitalist can't be imperialist. [Cambridge](https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/imperialism) and [Wiki includes every ideology too.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperialism). Going by this definition the Rakosi led puppet communist party [using proletariat-led like slogans](https://www.xxszazadintezet.hu/a-manipulacio-muveszete-plakatok-a-rakosi-rendszerben/) and campaigns [which won with the blue ballot election fraud with USSR involvement](https://www.parlament.hu/en/web/orszaggyulesi-muzeum/koalicio-kekcedula), [common people being exiled to Gulags who dared question the regime](https://www.kommunizmusbunei.hu/publikaciok/allando-szakertoink/31-horvath-attila/21-horvath-attila-kitelepitesek-es-deportalasok-a-rakosi-korszakban) and instilling fear via ÁVH, forcing all the eastern bloc countries into the Warsaw Pact, etc. seems pretty imperialistic to me, or an oppressor. Same deal. >Reality aligns with the communists, any honest journalist would be found guilty of such bias. Anna Louise Strong was also punished for honestly reporting on the socialist sphere as a Statesian. The CIA and US State Department find it unacceptable when journalists report positively or sympathetically towards communists and socialists, and pull various levers to silence them. Fair enough, even if these said journalists are extremely biased, or going against the establishment (rightfully), a healthy government shouldn't exile or silence people and their media. Let people have all the free informations they can get. Unfortunately a lot of countries silenced media, like the banned communist books in the USA, [Stalin removing any journal, article he doesn't like, and only allowing movies which aligns with the USSR's interests](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_the_Soviet_Union#Soviet_censorship_of_film). Well these are media, but reality also aligned with non-communists, by [showing the truths about Gulags, but Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was exiled there by the USSR](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn#%3A%7E%3Atext=a+Soviet%2Cprison+system). Others: Osip Mandelstam (prison camp), Isaak Babel (executed), Lina Shtern (exiled), etc. Subsequently all the other satellite stated used massive censorship too. by PrivateNoob@lemmy.ml
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Removed Comment PART 3 Using "counter-revolution". The definition of a revolution is going against the currently established authority / government. If you imply the 1956 revolution is a counter-revolution, then simply I guess in some way the Communist Party wasn't the ruling party and never had any power in Hungary despite clearly them having absolute control over it. Right under that journalist who was willing to provide favorable / biased views a communist leader in change of him being allowed to visit said country in the CIA doc. Aptheker clearly thinks burning communist and communist aligned literature is a vile thing. ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/b3abfd79-49ca-411f-8fbf-7c4e4389d9db.png) But when we are talking about cleansing and removing fascistic, everything is quite acceptable then. He would still prefer to see some of the books being present as examples, but clearly he doesn't find major issues with it, even if he realized this degenerated into a full-scale censorship. ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/65b575c6-c124-4fca-b829-f3f5df35355b.png) There [are some publications which analyzies Apthaker takes coming from the Young Socialist in this example](https://stars.library.ucf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1786&context=prism), where he automatically thinks that the Social Democratic Party supported Horthy, because they existed under his regent ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/7c972c08-228f-47b7-adfc-8966b450b278.png) He clearly dismisses and doesn't talk about how each eastern bloc countries [were exploited and it's resources were straight up funneled into the USSR, with way way less things to receive from them](https://pure.manchester.ac.uk/ws/portalfiles/portal/208946808/ABE19_Article_Stanek_Erofeev.pdf), which only started to turn around way later after Stalin's death. ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/df8ce380-159c-498a-9fdf-4ea50d79ef91.png) The author also presents that he took the Communist Party's opinion of Laszlo Rajk's execution as absolute truth with no question, only to be finally changed about this subject. ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/c1a1c606-2a4a-433f-8e92-2f1721e82c60.png) But what about the sources? It seems like he indeed cherry-picks too by using bias far-right sources and fabricated communist sources with no independent verifications. ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/2c66bf3d-bff0-4b82-99b7-c25708c97bc0.png) ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/3fc37019-cfa3-4034-9b35-f48dd70b5f89.png) What is more damning is that his claim of the initial hours of where the freedom fighters supposedly instantly began to do antisemitic remarks, causing chaos, attacking innocent policeman has no source. ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/91709beb-2abe-4087-8733-6497800af12b.png) ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/612370dd-9ef5-4007-b9e0-80a766bd9066.png) And not only that he states that noone knows who shot into the public at the Parlamient square which is absolutely debunked by now, [and it was made by the ÁVH members with some tanks as additional measures.](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sort%C5%B1z_a_Parlamentn%C3%A9l_1956-ban#Az_esem%C3%A9nyek) With so so much bias and willfully keeping off informations, it's hard to trust any of his statements. One statement can be accepted, that antisemitism were indeed present in 1956, albeit in rural and isolated incidents. [A fresher analyisis has a publication on the presence of antisemitism in 1956.](https://annas-archive.li/slow_download/24779ee7917694723b6d848d4d435a37/0/0) ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/0a8e7807-18ae-43fc-9102-8c1b9269c8f8.png) As we can see these indeed happened, and in really cruel ways, but only in small instances. 4 towns and a few villages compared to the 3184 villages and 58 towns. There are also eyewitness accounts despising antisemite people's remarks in Budapest by the crowds, but I can't find sources for these. Other jewish members aiding the revolution: Donáth Ferenc, István Kovács, György Fazekas, Erika Szeles, István Angyal, Istvan Eörsi, Gábor Földes, József Gáli, Miklós Krassó, László Nickelsburg, Ottó Szirmai >Anti-semitism was punishable by death penalty in the USSR, this is largely Red Scare fearmongering. In fact, the soviets were accused of being jewish supremicists, hence the hysteria around “Judeo-Bolshevism.” The USSR was the opposite of anti-semitic: While it can be agreed that pre-Stalin era leaders such as Lenin probably wasn't antisemite, what about Stalin? [He murdered a number of high profile jewish politicians](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin_and_antisemitism), maybe this is just a coincidence, he was a paranoia filled psychopath maniac after all. Khrushchev and other people claimed he having antisemite sentiments, although I don't know if there are verifications for these. While publicly he stated not being an antisemite, his actions seems suspicious. [What about suddenly dissolving a pro-communist JAC in the name of imperialism according to him?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Anti-Fascist_Committee). And what about this statement? It just seems convenient to call everyone who you don't like an american agent or any word. But if he really thought they were american agents, it still specifically hurted jewish communities.![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/76e9a468-efca-420f-8b2f-e5353cf091a6.png) [Perhaps the Doctor's Plot where it so happens to be that a higher percentage of them were jews.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctors%27_plot) by PrivateNoob@lemmy.ml
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Removed Comment PART 4 >Linking a right-wing anti-communist think tank for the majority of your sources, and cherry picking tragic mistakes in order to justify killing communists is awful. Planned economy aided food production, and fascists were jailed, that doesn’t justify murdering leftists. Sure! Here are some not "think tank" sources on these subjects! [Opposition parties being removed from running in the election due to communist party pressure](https://www.nytimes.com/1947/08/13/archives/voting-list-fraud-in-hungary-is-seen-opposition-leaders-say-more.html), [soviet troops deporting the secretary of the Smallholders' Party, blackmailing an elected prime minister into exile](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Hungarian_parliamentary_election), [communists being able to vote like 15-20 times aka blue-ballot election fraud](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947-es_magyarorsz%C3%A1gi_orsz%C3%A1ggy%C5%B1l%C3%A9si_v%C3%A1laszt%C3%A1s#K%C3%A9k_c%C3%A9dul%C3%A1k), [another source](https://www.nytimes.com/1947/09/01/archives/hungarian-ballot-held-fraudulent-as-reds-gain-lead-communist.html) [Forcing every peasant into giving their land to coop's and requiring such an insane plan requirement that didn't leave you enough seeds to replicate the next harvest as well was a failure](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collectivization_in_Hungary#First_attempt_at_collectivization) Fascists were indeed jailed and executed, but you miss the point. The revolution didn't happen because the communists executed Arrow Cross Party members and such, but because the Communist Party won in a fraud, instilled fears with ÁVH, produced famine due to the failure of collectivization, issued massive censorships, not being able to leave the country as a hungarian, making staged show trials (László Rajk) and conveniently sending anyone who dares to question the government to Gulags, not just straight up fascists. If we are think tank-ing, then Comrade's Library is also a think tank source. [Hearing the word "progressive" and sending people to work camps only getting 1 soup per day in Siberia, Recsk or other places doesn't sound too progressive to me.](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recski_k%C3%A9nyszermunkat%C3%A1bor) >The CIA did not spark the revolt, but they assisted with it, as did MI6. As shown earlier, CIA propaganda outlets like Radio Free Europe stoked grassroots resentment against the communists, combined with MI6 training and arming former members of the Arrow Cross Party. This dramatically emboldened the fascists and radicalized them, steering and fostering an environment for counter-revolution. Yes, I can see that the CIA funded the Radio Free Europe. I have expressed all the others previously. >The west has a proven track record of supporting liberalization and undermining socialism, which is what Imre Nagy was doing, along with allowing the lynching of Jews and communists. There were progressive elements in Nagy’s faction, but these progressive elements were outweighed by the overall fascist nature of the movement, and as such the worker councils established during 1956 need to be understood within that context. Similar to Kronstadt, fascists took advantage of anti-communist “left” dissent to steer a grassroots movement into a darker, terroristic direction. Both the west and the soviet bloc had a proven track record to support their ideologies or give a huge prestige blow to eachother. Everything was explained earlier, but fascism didn't outweigh the socialistic ambition of the revolution, especially seen by the leadership and antisemitism being in small isolated incidents. >Overall, your goal here seems to be to downplay antisemitic lynchings, paint lynching communists as a good thing, and try to pretend that the soviets were brutal monsters, all while linking right-wing anti-communist propaganda outlets. This whitewashes literal Nazis. Overall to me it seems you are upplaying the amount of antisemite, fascist, Horthy sympathizers in the Revolution from an incredibly biased source from Aptheker, who was even removed from his communist party, making up facts, and conveniently not mentioning relevant informations trying to paint the 1956 Revolution as an event made by fascists and the west, and trying to pretend that anyone who questions the Communist Party is a fascist, even if they are socialists and not a hardliner stalinist. Anyone who does election fraud, state-wide censorship, sending anyone to work camps, eliminating the option to emigrate, doing propaganda 24/7, and shooting into civilians is a monster to me. Maybe if Lenin wouldn't have died so early, we wouldn't have seen the light of stalinism. Who knows. The only good thing I can say about you is that the commie apartment block program was a really great investment, even if they were poor quality, it did make considerable amount of subsidization into these to have something for people to live in, even there was like 6 people in 1 small apartment. >According to polling, 72% of Hungarians are worse off than under socialism, being proud of resisting such a liberatory system is deeply confused. And on the other hand where 47% polish people are living better and 35% are worse isn't mentioned in Poland's wiki. How convenient. This 72% of are regarding the Kádár era, which is indeed true according from my grandma's and parents' statements, however this doesn't mean that economic life was great all times.[ At Rákosi people had to resort back to a ticket based system in order to get basic food like bread, where the last ticket system was in WW2 or WW1, mainly due to the force of collectivization and industrializations in an agricultural country with plenty of farmable land.](https://rediscoverhungary.com/history/modern-history-iii-1949-1989/#%3A%7E%3Atext=In+preparation+for%2Cliving+standards.) Additionally this poll was made in 2009, 3 years after the deviza crisis in Hungary and 1 year after the 2008 bank crisis. Luckily Kádár wasn't as a hardliner stalinist like Rákosi, but he especially prioritized wellbeing in order to not experience another 1956 again. Life did improve around the mid 60s, especially by abolishing the collectivization efforts. It seems private farmland ownership works better than having everything in the state. [Even if hungarians lived in goulash communism, it was still forbidden to act against the government, critiquing the soviet occupation, talking about 1956, questioning Kádár, etc](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary_under_the_K%C3%A1d%C3%A1r_regime#%3A%7E%3Atext=K%C3%A1d%C3%A1r+proclaimed%2Cor+in+any+other+form.) There were more hospitals, subsidizied house programme, starting to be able to attend vacations, seeing some whitelisted western media, but only those which aligned with communist interests, like the [Bud Spencer + Terence Hill movies](https://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bud_Spencer). (These are simple but pretty entertaining movies, I can easily recommend [Who Finds a Friend Finds a Treasure](https://en.budspencerofficial.com/index.php?sel=filmography&sub=48&ref=flmgphy)) We can also thank for the Information Age for better living, where basically all countries improved by it worldwide. [Unfortunately after the oil crisis, Kádár wasn't able to retain the current living conditions, so he had to resort into a debt spiral indefinitely.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hungary_under_the_K%C3%A1d%C3%A1r_regime#Decline_and_fall_(1979%E2%80%931989)) This caused the start of massive inflation, especially after the regime change. Also emerging unemployments. Also collectivelly all the eastern bloc countries have lost their companies due to the western items were usually much better, like Trabant, Lada (still exists tho, but not as popular anymore), Ikarus etc. Maybe if we would have remained non-communist, then we would have had more competent companies, who knows. EDIT: Atleast we can hopefully agree, that the current monopol corpos such as Google, Amazon, etc. are downright evil. by PrivateNoob@lemmy.ml
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Removed Comment >MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. This claim is made by the author of "New Cloak, Old Dagger" book, however despite seeing some references to some old 90s articles (which I can't see, only if you are subscribed), these funding claims are apparently coming from a supposed MI6 contact, but this hasn't been verified so there is some suspicion, especially because he mentions a "Red Sox" operation vaguely related to covert operations generally in the 50s but I have only seen like 2 articles that mentions this, and those are talking about 1930s ukrainian covert ops, also no old article references have "Red Sox" in it's titles. But let's assume that all of his claims are true, since both the soviets and the west spied on eachother a lot. So even if MI6 trained some hungarian it had a mere effect compared to the huge grass-roots uprising in various cities by the commoners. ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/7cbd9342-6acd-4869-bec1-a57893e3dcab.png) >The Hungarian revolt in 1956 was infested with anti-semitic pograms >These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists [The "fascist elements" author was expelled for a time by the CIA in suspicion of being biased towards the communists.](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/DOC_0000923198.pdf) ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/179ba53f-dc9f-472f-af1d-469d93fa811f.png) ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/7afd5753-0fee-48d5-8f7e-648ae2012243.png) [Another CIA document which doesn't believe there was a rise of fascism.](https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP60-00594A000100090005-2.pdf) ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/ca2e76c1-6151-407c-be89-2719d0677706.png) A different source that explains the amount of antisemitism was negligible from Reddit with sources: "Anti-semitism was marginal. [From](http://www.rev.hu/ords/f?p=600%3A2%3A%3A%3A%3A%3AP2_PAGE_URI%3Atanulmanyok%2F1956%2Fantiszemitizmus) [sources](http://konfliktuskutato.hu/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=149%3A-antiszemita-bncselekmenyek-az-1956-os-forradalomban-&catid=15%3Atanulmanyok) I checked, anti-semitic acts and various messages did happen and come up (mainly in the countryside), they were more sideline occurences that did not come to shape the overall tone of events." Just by seeing how many antisemite people every country has even now, it is reasonable to assume that these incidents weren't way above than the average. [However Stalin and Brezhnev used antisemitism extensively under their rule](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Soviet_Union) On the other hand, killing communists by the revolutionaries was definitely a more common thing. Imagine as a young student [seeing the Communist Party win with a huge blue ballot election fraud](https://www.parlament.hu/en/web/orszaggyulesi-muzeum/koalicio-kekcedula), implementing brutal planned economy tactics which lead to country-wide famine (my grandma as a child seen newspaper as a rich person's item, life was so brutal), [your people being deported to Gulag just because they dared to even question the dictatorship in any way](https://www.kommunizmusbunei.hu/publikaciok/allando-szakertoink/31-horvath-attila/21-horvath-attila-kitelepitesek-es-deportalasok-a-rakosi-korszakban),[ instilling fear by the ÁVH](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Protection_Authority), [political members being executed on false charges](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A1szl%C3%B3_Rajk), etc. and not having the urges to kill hardliner stalinists with a lead pipe. Ofc killing people are awful, but brutal times can bring out the extremes of some people. >Further, the CIA also backed Hungarian resistance forces That CIA document happened way after 1956, [and the CIA was caught in a surprise after the revolution have began. They were only doing small intelligence gathering before that.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_activities_in_Hungary) ![](https://lemmy.ml/pictrs/image/43e16f6a-6b49-49e6-84f5-91cce7078e99.png) Also if the CIA would have funded this uprising then the revolter party wouldn't have been a socialist lead party by Imre Nagy. by PrivateNoob@lemmy.ml
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