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Ливвиковский язык – на Луну!
kohendaУважаемые коллеги, если Вы не против, хотелось бы чтобы и из Вашего раздела были участники.
От Вас нужно:
- Согласие на участие. На мой взгляд, на избранную статью может претендовать Karjalan tazavaldu, на избранный список – Anuksen piirin linnoin da kylien luvettelo.
- Создание служебных категорий по аналогии с ru:Категория:Википедия:Избранные статьи и ru:Категория:Википедия:Избранные списки по алфавиту (и привязка их к соответствующим элементам Викиданных)
- Создание страниц по аналогии с ru:Википедия:Избранные статьи и ru:Википедия:Избранные списки и порталы (и привязка их к соответствующим элементам Викиданных)
- Регистрация страниц из пункта (1) в служебных категориях из (2) и на страницах из (3).
- Отражение контента из соответствующих категорий на Piäsivu (обычно вставляется в специализированный шаблон).
Ваши усилия не пойдут впустую, т.к. пункты 2-5 Вам всё равно когда-то придётся создавать для активизации своего раздела. Могу предложить сделать сам, но категории, страницы и шаблоны Вам придётся потом переименовать на Ваш родной язык. С уважением, --Frhdkazan (pagize) 09:24, 28 ligakuudu 2016 (MSK)
Wiki-Pairem
kohendaUser:Onegaborg, ждём вас на Вики-семинаре в июле 2017 года в Йошкар-Оле. Подтвердите, пожалуйста, своё участие на странице вики-семинара. --Kaftaj (pagize) 15. talvikuuta 2016 kello 09.37 (MSK)
Шаблон на Заглавную
kohendaМогу сделать по аналогии mdf:Шаблон:Пря лопа/Ковгярькссь/03. С уважением,--Frhdkazan (pagize) 1. kevätkuuta 2017 kello 20.59 (MSK)
Уважаемый коллега,
В рамках реализации мета-проекта meta:Wikipedias in the languages of Russia/ActionPlan/Calendar/ru планирую приступить к созданию в вашем языковом разделе необходимых категорий, шаблонов и модулей. Есть вопросы типа "как на ливвикарельском грамматически правильно написать [[Категория:Родившиеся/Умершие в январе]] (феврале, марте и т.д.)?".
Заранее спасибо. --Frhdkazan (pagize) 14. kezäkuuta 2017 kello 14.59 (MSK)
- Можете подсказать перевод на ливвикарельский
- [[Категория:Родившиеся/Умершие 1 января]],
- [[Категория:Родившиеся/Умершие в январе]],
- [[Категория:Родившиеся/Умершие в 1847 году]],
- [[Категория:Родившиеся/Умершие]] и
- компонентов внутри шаблона {{Ristikanzu}}, которые пока на вепсском?
Заранее спасибо.--Frhdkazan (pagize) 17. syvyskuuta 2017 kello 17.06 (MSK)
- Frhdkazan, перевод категорий на ливвиковский:
Изображение дня
kohendaУважаемый коллега,
Создал и установил на Заглавную механизм подстановки шаблона «Изображение дня». Буду признателен, если подскажете, как правильно перевести на ливвикарельский заголовок данного шаблона. Заранее спасибо.--Frhdkazan (pagize) 26. elokuuta 2017 kello 22.23 (MSK)
Frhdkazan, спасибо! Изображение дня по-ливвиковски будет - Päivän kuva. --Onegaborg (pagize) 27. elokuuta 2017 kello 12.00 (MSK)
Шаблоны в Викитеке
kohendaКоллега, здравствуйте! Вижу, что вы написали мне по почте следующее:
Здравствуйте!
Я начал публиковать книги на ливвиковском наречии карельского языка в новой Викитеке: oldwikisource:Main_Page/Livvikarjalan. Вы не подскажете, как сделать так, чтобы ссылка на неё появилась в общем списке языков Викитеки внизу страницы?
Сейчас в этой Викитеке пока всего две книги двух авторов, но когда их будет больше, наверное понадобятся шаблоны на главной странице. Вы не скажете, есть ли уже какие-то готовые шаблоны для показа списка авторов или книг, размещённых в Викитеке, чтобы они были видны с главной страницы?
Признаюсь, у меня нет опыта работы в Викитеке и сейчас пока не готов разбираться с новым проектом. Тут я могу рекоммендовать башкирских коллег, которые недавно запустили свой языковой раздел в Викитеке — их лидер уважаемый Рустам ага Нурыев. С уважением, --Frhdkazan (pagize) 11. talvikuuta 2017 kello 15.24 (MSK)
- Плюс у нас есть ещё один очень ценный товарищ из Питера – Павел Каганер. Он тоже может грамотные рекоммендации дать.--Frhdkazan (pagize) 11. talvikuuta 2017 kello 16.42 (MSK)
- Добавил там ливвиковский в список языков. У вас есть вот эта вот своя собственная заглавная страница - oldwikisource:Main_Page/Livvikarjalan - - именно её нужно развивать в полноценный портал. Посмотрите другие разделы (неважно, в общей они Викитеке, или на своём домене), и решите, что вы там у себя хотите видеть. И я помогу вам сделать нужные шаблоны, а вы уже просто переведёте в них текстовые части.--Kaganer (pagize) 11. talvikuuta 2017 kello 20.08 (MSK)
- Kaganer, большое спасибо! --Onegaborg (pagize) 14. talvikuuta 2017 kello 00.02 (MSK)
- Не за что ;) Смотрите: можете взять за образец русскую или башкирскую версии (это один тип), можете шведскую или нидерландскую, а можете взять для начала самый лаконичный вариант - эстонский. --Kaganer (pagize) 14. talvikuuta 2017 kello 13.59 (MSK)
- Kaganer, большое спасибо! --Onegaborg (pagize) 14. talvikuuta 2017 kello 00.02 (MSK)
Flower of the month
kohendaHi Onegaborg
For your huge efforts on livvinkarjalan Wikipedieh I want to present you the Flower of the month.
Best regards, --Holder (pagize) 5. tuhukuuta 2018 kello 08.52 (MSK)
Hi Onegaborg, you reverted my edition in this page bove [1]. I created the redirect because there is already another article about the same city (please see Roma) and there should normally be only one and the other names are redirects, so one of them should be a redirect, or Riimu or Roma. Best regards. DARIO SEVERI (pagize) 28. kevätkuuta 2018 kello 14.24 (MSK)
- DARIO SEVERI, Ciao! Very good that you are writing articles for Karelian Wikipedia. Nevertheless, Rome on Karelian is Riimu. It was proved among others by Chairmen of Karjalan Kielen Seura in his autobiographical book and by many other sources. I'd be glad if you continue to write texts about this city to the correct article - Riimu. And it will be better if you put redirect from Roma to Riimu though I think that it's better to delete article Roma at all. --Onegaborg (pagize) 29. kevätkuuta 2018 kello 00.22 (MSK)
- Well ... The article Roma was created by a sysop [2]. I do not know if he will like to delete the article he created. I have transferred the text of his article Roma to the article created by you, I let you decide what should redirect or delete. Greetings DARIO SEVERI (pagize) 29. kevätkuuta 2018 kello 22.28 (MSK)
- DARIO SEVERI, Ciao! Very good that you are writing articles for Karelian Wikipedia. Nevertheless, Rome on Karelian is Riimu. It was proved among others by Chairmen of Karjalan Kielen Seura in his autobiographical book and by many other sources. I'd be glad if you continue to write texts about this city to the correct article - Riimu. And it will be better if you put redirect from Roma to Riimu though I think that it's better to delete article Roma at all. --Onegaborg (pagize) 29. kevätkuuta 2018 kello 00.22 (MSK)
Ливвиковское наречие
kohendaПривет! Добавил видео в статью w:ru:Ливвиковское наречие. Приглашаю использовать это видео и в этой Википедии. -- AKA MBG (pagize) 17. kezäkuuta 2018 kello 16.42 (MSK)
Sorry I don't speak Livvi, and my Russian is also very basic, but the page Afon Clywedog looks like a disambiguation page, and I couldn't find a single other disambiguation page here, so I added that to category "Selvendyssivut" (and that's the only category it currently belongs to) as that's my best guess as to what "disambiguation pages" could be in Livvi. If that's not the correct word, I hope you can change the category name. Mölli-Möllerö (pagize) 24. ligakuuta 2019 kello 18.02 (MSK)
- Mölli-Möllerö, where did you take word "Selvendyssivut" from? You probably mean "eritabazet sivut"? --Onegaborg (pagize) 26. ligakuuta 2019 kello 10.23 (MSK)
- First, I tried to find a single disambiguation page in this wiki, but I couldn't find one even after checking all the category names (none of them looked like it could be disambiguations - even though I cannot speak nor write in Livvi, I can understand a large proportion of it as my native language is Finnish and I've also taken a course in Tver Karelian). After my failed attempt at finding a disambiguation page, I decided to make an educated guess as to what "disambiguation pages" could be in Livvi and then inform an admin about it so it would be corrected if wrong as soon as possible. The way I reached that guess of "selvendyssivut" was the following: First, since "disambiguation pages" in Finnish is täsmennyssivut I checked if this dictionary: https://www.karjal.fi/avoinkirjasto/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Sanakirja_karjala-suomi_Py%C3%B6li.pdf has the word täsmennys and because it didn't, I searched for a sort-of synonymous word selvennys and that was found - "selvendüs", but since the current Livvi orthography prefers the letter "y" instead of "ü", I changed it to "selvendys" and there was my guess. By the way, there seems to be no such category "eritabazet sivut" -I guess someone should make it (as Wikipedias tend to have disambiguation pages) and then add Afon Clywedog to it? That would then be the first disambiguation page in this wiki. Mölli-Möllerö (pagize) 26. ligakuuta 2019 kello 15.26 (MSK)
- Mölli-Möllerö, then please go ahead and create this category "Eritabazet sivut". I think it better describes this meaning on Livvi-Karelian language. I'll ask experts and can answer exact to your question very soon. --Onegaborg (pagize) 26. ligakuuta 2019 kello 20.50 (MSK)
- I tried to do it, but you don't have the templates needed. Other Wikipedias seem to have a template that will add a page into the disambiguation category. In Estonian Wikipedia it is
{{täpsustus}}
, in Finnish it's{{Täsmennyssivu}}
and in English it's{{disambiguation}}
. Based on my knowledge of Livvi-Karelian morphology, I'd guess the singular form of "Eritabazet sivut" would be "Eritabaine sivu", so I placed that non-existing template to the source code of the page Afon Clywedog. Both the template and the category it is supposed to put pages into are broken, and I don't have the skills to fix them... I hope you or some other admin here does. Mölli-Möllerö (pagize) 26. ligakuuta 2019 kello 21.57 (MSK) - Just to make it clear, the category exists now: https://olo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategourii:Eritabaizet_sivut, but I don't have the skills to make it work like an actual disambiguation category so it would be linked to other Wikipedias' disambiguation categories nor the skills needed to make the template
{{Eritabaine sivu}}
(or any other template for that matter) to add a page to that category. Mölli-Möllerö (pagize) 26. ligakuuta 2019 kello 22.11 (MSK)- Mölli-Möllerö, I've got an answer from experts - your first variant "Selvendyssivu" is correct translation of "disambiguation page". You can rename it. What about a template for this - there is no such template in Livvi-Karelian Wikipedia still. We'll try to create it later or you can try too. --Onegaborg (pagize) 27. ligakuuta 2019 kello 14.03 (MSK)
- I renamed it, but it (of course) doesn't yet work how it's supposed to as the template doesn't exist yet. I don't know how to create a template. All I can do is link to other templates in the hope it will help someone else in creating it. Here's the Finnish disambiguation template: https://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malline:T%C3%A4smennyssivu and the English one is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Disambiguation. Also, these categories: https://olo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategourii:Eritabazet_sivut and https://olo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategourii:Eritabaizet_sivut should be deleted. Mölli-Möllerö (pagize) 27. ligakuuta 2019 kello 17.02 (MSK)
- Mölli-Möllerö, I've got an answer from experts - your first variant "Selvendyssivu" is correct translation of "disambiguation page". You can rename it. What about a template for this - there is no such template in Livvi-Karelian Wikipedia still. We'll try to create it later or you can try too. --Onegaborg (pagize) 27. ligakuuta 2019 kello 14.03 (MSK)
- I tried to do it, but you don't have the templates needed. Other Wikipedias seem to have a template that will add a page into the disambiguation category. In Estonian Wikipedia it is
- Mölli-Möllerö, then please go ahead and create this category "Eritabazet sivut". I think it better describes this meaning on Livvi-Karelian language. I'll ask experts and can answer exact to your question very soon. --Onegaborg (pagize) 26. ligakuuta 2019 kello 20.50 (MSK)
- First, I tried to find a single disambiguation page in this wiki, but I couldn't find one even after checking all the category names (none of them looked like it could be disambiguations - even though I cannot speak nor write in Livvi, I can understand a large proportion of it as my native language is Finnish and I've also taken a course in Tver Karelian). After my failed attempt at finding a disambiguation page, I decided to make an educated guess as to what "disambiguation pages" could be in Livvi and then inform an admin about it so it would be corrected if wrong as soon as possible. The way I reached that guess of "selvendyssivut" was the following: First, since "disambiguation pages" in Finnish is täsmennyssivut I checked if this dictionary: https://www.karjal.fi/avoinkirjasto/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Sanakirja_karjala-suomi_Py%C3%B6li.pdf has the word täsmennys and because it didn't, I searched for a sort-of synonymous word selvennys and that was found - "selvendüs", but since the current Livvi orthography prefers the letter "y" instead of "ü", I changed it to "selvendys" and there was my guess. By the way, there seems to be no such category "eritabazet sivut" -I guess someone should make it (as Wikipedias tend to have disambiguation pages) and then add Afon Clywedog to it? That would then be the first disambiguation page in this wiki. Mölli-Möllerö (pagize) 26. ligakuuta 2019 kello 15.26 (MSK)
Disambiguation pages
kohendaHi, the template Šablonu:Selvendyssivu was created just over a month ago, and it is now the template that puts pages into the category https://olo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategourii:Wikipedii:Selvendyssivut. So if the same term has many meanings, such as Afon Clywedog and they warrant separate articles of their own, the page listing the meanings and linking to their respective articles should have {{Selvendyssivu}}
at its end. Similar policies are in place in many if not most other Wikipedias (as the number of interwiki links in the template and the category indicate). The category and the template are both now linked to other Wikipedias' disambiguation templates and categories. However, there are still two useless categories that should be deleted, namely this one: https://olo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategourii:Selvendyssivut and this one: https://olo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kategourii:Kategourii:Wikipedii:Selvendyssivut. Could you please delete them when you have time? Mölli-Möllerö (pagize) 29. tuhukuuta 2020 kello 21.01 (MSK)
We sent you an e-mail
kohendaHello Onegaborg,
Really sorry for the inconvenience. This is a gentle note to request that you check your email. We sent you a message titled "The Community Insights survey is coming!". If you have questions, email [email protected].
You can see my explanation here.
MediaWiki message delivery (pagize) 25. syvyskuuta 2020 kello 21.45 (MSK)
Узнай Россию. Новгородские земли
kohendaКоллега, приветствую! У нас тут идёт конкурс, посвящённый северо-западу России, в том числе Карелии. Там нужно писать и улучшать статьи о культуре, истории и географии этих регионов. Было бы весьма недурно, если бы вы или кто-то ещё поучаствовал от Википедии на ливвиковском карельском. За первые три места предусмотрены призы. Красный (pagize) 8. kylmykuuta 2020 kello 18.22 (MSK)
Viikon kilpailu
kohendaHi! I don't think there's been any announcement about this, but the Finnish Wikipedia has been holding weekly competitions since 2012 and just recently decided to expand the language selection to include Livvi-Karelian as one of the languages of the competition. So please spread the word to contributors on this Wikipedia and join us for this week's competition (and the next ones too!). (This is why I was creating categories here this morning :)) -Yupik (pagize) 7. talvikuuta 2020 kello 15.18 (MSK)
How we will see unregistered users
kohendaHei!
Saat tämän viestin, koska olet ylläpitäjä Wikimedian wikissä.
Tällä hetkellä jonkun muokatessa Wikimedian wikiä kirjautumattomana, hänen IP-osoitteensa tulee näkyville. Kuten olet saattanut kuulla, emme voi tehdä näin enää tulevaisuudessa. Tämä päätös on Wikimedia Foundationin Legal-osaston tekemä, ja johtuu siitä, että yksityisyyttä verkossa koskevat normit ja määräykset ovat muuttuneet.
IP:n sijaan näytämme naamioidun identiteetin. Ylläpitäjänä sinulla on yhä pääsy IP-osoitteeseen. Saataville tulee myös uusi käyttäjäryhmä niille, joiden täytyy nähdä rekisteröitymättömien käyttäjien koko IP-osoite vandalismin, häiriköinnin ja spämmin torjumiseksi ilman, että hänen täytyy olla ylläpitäjä. Muutosten tarkastajat näkevät myös osan IP-osoitteesta ilman tätä käyttäjäoikeutta. Pyrimme myös auttamaan luomalla parempia työkaluja.
Jos et ole aiemmin kuullut tästä, niin voit lukea lisää Metasta. Jos haluat varmistua, ettei sinulta mene ohi tekniset muutokset Wikimedian wikeissä, voit tilata viikoittaisen uutiskirjeen.
Meillä on kaksi ehdotettua tapaa kuinka tämä identiteetti voisi toimia. Arvostaisimme palautettasi siitä, kumpi sinun mielestäsi voisi toimia paremmin sinulle ja sinun wikillesi, nyt sekä tulevaisuudessa. Voit kertoa meille mielipiteesi täällä. Voit kirjoittaa kielelläsi. Ehdotukset on jätetty lokakuussa ja teemme päätöksen 17. tammikuuta jälkeen.
Kiitos. /Johan (WMF)
4. pakkaskuuta 2022 kello 21.18 (MSK)