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Incorrect use of subclass of (P279)

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This statement on "glade" was incorrect. Errors with basic membership properties create false inferences. Before using subclass of (P279), check the item descriptions, and make sure your statement is true. (In this case, area (Q11500) refers to the abstract geometric quantity associated with a shape, rather than to a physical region.) Thanks! Swpb (talk) 20:02, 19 April 2024 (UTC)

Hi there @User:Swpb

Good observation. I think I was hesitant of limiting it to physical region for some reason and so looked for a more general statement but it appears I didn't read into it well enough at the time. AHIOH (talk) 05:51, 2 August 2024 (UTC)

dish

You made dish a subclass of concoction, but concoction is a subclass of process whereas dish is not a process but an end-result. So dish is not a subclass of concoction. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 01:44, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! A concoction is a "process in which according to a recipe of raw materials or a given process, a product is produced." The concoction is the product. A dish is "specific food preparation with cooking finished, and ready to eat, or be served". A dish is a prepared/processed food product made according to a recipe of raw materials. All dishes are concoctions of food of different types. The activity that produces the concoction is concocting. An instance of dish is a type of concoction that is concocted.

In other words The term "concoction" implies that something has been created or mixed together, which applies to all types of food dishes, whether they are simple or complex. AHIOH (talk) 02:48, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

Also wanted to mention that a dish is not necessarily an end result. An instance of dish is first prepared. It may never convert to a completed dish, depending on the cook :) AHIOH (talk) 03:30, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

"process in which according to a recipe of raw materials or a given process, a product is produced" is the process, not the product. Dish appears to be the product. I see that you changed concoction (Q5158735)'s English description. Does that match the descriptions in other languages? I see that you also changed its superclasses to match the new English description. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 10:24, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

I agree the subject of the statement is the process, however it is a process with a resultant product. When you order a dish, an instance of dish is created. This is a process that has values such as start time, preparation time, recipe, quality, status, etc. The instance is not a "prepared dish" as the description would leave one to believe rather it is a dish that "is prepared". The dish class is similar to the term concoction in that it refers both to the process as well as the product. It's essentially a blueprint of a prepared dish.

I did create an item for the term "concoction" as well the concept for concocting. The other languages should still be associated with the concept "concoction" rather than the ambiguous term or concocting. I figured if it is an article for the ambiguous term they would be moved to that, or if they are limited to only "concocting" rather than "concoction" they could be moved to that item.

For the concept of concoction (Q5158735), I believe artificial object (Q16686448) best encompasses the idea, allowing the representation to be the product of a process regardless of whether it is conceptual or actualized.

What do ya think? Does that seem reasonable? Thanks @Peter F. Patel-Schneider AHIOH (talk) 23:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)

The problem with concoction (Q5158735) is that it appears to have existed for a while as a subclass of process and several descriptions have this wording. If you are sure that it will remain as an object then go ahead and remove the deprecation on dish being a subclass of concoction. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 01:31, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'll take a look at those items and see if I can identify any issues. @Peter F. Patel-Schneider AHIOH (talk) 01:35, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

There does appear to be a subclass of concoction that is a process - gift wrapping (Q1516291). You should check all the information about concoction and see whether it matches the process or the result. Peter F. Patel-Schneider (talk) 01:37, 11 August 2024 (UTC)

I believe I got the them sorted out. I'll go ahead and remove the deprecation on it. Will be interesting to see if it is utilized more now that there is more clarity on what it specifies. AHIOH (talk) 03:07, 11 August 2024 (UTC)