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  • Lunar@lemmy.mltoAsklemmy@lemmy.mlAre gender-exclusive groups ever ok?
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    10 days ago

    you can’t give rights to one demographic and deny to another because you think the other is ‘icky’.

    Literally nobody said this. My whole point is that equality isn’t achieved by “applying the same rules equally” (as the person I responded to said) to people who aren’t on an equal playing field.

    You don’t solve inequality by giving both those who have less and those who have more the same amount. That just maintains the status quo.

    edit: Y’all really need to learn about substantive equality.


  • liberals trying to understand equality: “what do you mean we need to give only to the poor? it’s only equal if we give the same amount to the rich!”

    you need only ask yourself for what reason men-only groups exclude women and for what reason women-only groups exclude men to understand why protecting and elevating women’s groups and dismantling misogynistic institutions are both valid


  • And honestly… if true equality in treating everyone with the exact same rules is “misogynistic”, why call it equality in the first place? Just call it for what it truly is: anti-male gender bigotry.

    this only works under the assumption that men and women are on an equal playing field, which isn’t even remotely true as patriarchy ensures women remain a disadvantaged group.

    you fundamentally do not understand why women’s spaces even exist. the vast majority of men’s only spaces never needed to be men’s only in the first place, and only are because of bigotry toward women. women-only spaces, on the other hand, exist for two reasons: for women’s safety, and for women’s representation.

    men are not actively threatened by violence, nor are men a disadvantaged and underrepresented group in multiple fields that have historically discouraged them the way women are. as long as men maintain the dominant role in society, men entering women’s spaces designed to lift women up only serves to prevent progress toward equality.


  • “Here’s the thing. No reasonable person has an issue with women having their own women’s activity groups. The annoying part is that whenever men try to do something similar, that’s a problem. Women either want them banished or demand entry, EVERY time.”

    Men exclude women because men view women as inferior, women exclude men because men view women as inferior.