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Acknowledgement of your work in Coptic Egyptian

Hello ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ, I want to thank you very much for your hard work & diligence in adding to the Coptic Egyptian language resource here on Wiktionary. I myself began adding terms in hopes that one day this language could be revived or at least studied on a Classical scale in the future. Your work brings us closer to this goal, & I thank you very much for everything that you're doing! Aearthrise (talk) 17:51, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello Aearthrise. Thank you for your kind words and for everything you're doing here on the Wiktionary. I hope that one day the Egyptian language would be revived in it's classical Bohairic form. A lot of efforts have been made already but the majority of them are very unscientific and are not based on the actual data available. I hope my contributions here would make finding info on the Coptic vocabulary a bit easier. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 10:46, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Category:Coptic male given names from Greek

Given the timeline of when the Coptic language was used, shouldn't this be "From Ancient Greek"? They are included as 2 separate albeit obviously related languages on Wiktionary. User: The Ice Mage ^{talk to meh} 12:25, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Right, but the header says "This includes names derived at an older stage of the language." so i thought using Greek is ok. --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 12:26, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

Hmm, maybe...honestly I think it shouldn't use Greek, but perhaps someone else could weigh in on this. Only problem is I don't know anyone offhand to ask really. User: The Ice Mage ^{talk to meh} 12:42, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

"Greek" is wrong. Otherwise you could include these in categories for Tsakonian, Italiot Greek or Yevanic, which are also descended from Ancient Greek. I think "derived at an older stage of the language" refers to the recipient language, not the donor language. Julius doesn't belong in Category:English given names from Spanish, even if Latin Julius is the ancestor of Spanish Julio. Chuck Entz (talk) 14:44, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

Concerning Bohairic "ⲟⲩⲣⲟ" and Old Nubian "ⲟⲩⲣⲟⲩ"

In response to: "Browne disagrees. Should we mark it as "possible descendants"?"

Which work did he state that in? He doesn't seem to make note of it in his 'Old Nubian dictionary.' In terms of general concensus in Nubiology, it would seem that Rilly's suggestion is the majority opinion. Vincent van Gerven Oei accepts Rilly's derivation of ⲟⲩⲣⲟⲩ from Qore and all volumes of and articles in 'Dotawo' adhere to that. I'd quote Rilly's arguments in "Le méroïtique et sa famille linguistique" but I don't have a copy. Török as well seems to suggest derivation from Qore in 'Between Two Worlds: The Frontier Region Between Ancient Nubia and Egypt':

"There is evidence for native wrw, “chiefs” or “princes” (the literature prefers the latter translation) from the reign of Thutmose I to the very end of the New Kingdom domination. In general, the term wr defined in the New Kingdom a native ruler who was in a contractually defined political relationship with the Egyptian ruler.[5] The indigenous Nubian term kwr, an early form of the Meroitic word qore, “ruler”,[6] occurs first in the late New Kingdom (Onomasticon of Amenemope).[7] The evidence for Nubian wrw is not continuous in time, however."

Ferrandino and van Gerven Oei's 'Potential Old Nubian Cognates for Meroitic 'aleqese',' published last year in 'Sudan & Nubia 24,' also repeats this claim:

"There appears to be a possible correspondence between Meroitic initial q- and a proto-Nubian zero realisation. The most prominent example is the correspondence between Meroitic qore /kʷur/, proto-Nubian *ur, and Old Nubian ⲟⲩⲣ /ur/ ‘head’, ⲟⲩⲣ-ⲟⲩ /urw/ ‘king’, ⲟⲩⲣ-ⲁⲛ /uran/ ‘chief’ (Rilly 2010, 136-138; 364, no. 17; 376; 517, no. 180). A second correspondence, more tentative, between medial -q- and Old Nubian zero may be between the Meroitic pqr /bakʷara/ or /bakʷora/ and ⲡⲟⲩⲣ /bur/ ‘prince’ (van Gerven Oei and Tsakos 2017, 272; van Gerven Oei 2017, 122)."

Even 'Contemporary Egyptian Nubia A Symposium of the Social Research Center, American University in Cairo · Volume 1,' published in 1966, compares "ourou/uru" with qore: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Contemporary_Egyptian_Nubia/jUcuAQAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=Nubian+%22ourou%22+Egyptian&dq=Nubian+%22ourou%22+Egyptian&printsec=frontcover

'Die meroitische Sprache: Meroitisch und Boreisch (Nostratisch) als Ursprungssprache Eurasiens' as well: https://www.google.com/books/edition/Die_meroitische_Sprache_Meroitisch_und_B/2MsJAQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=%22qore%22%22uru%22&dq=%22qore%22%22uru%22&printsec=frontcover

If Browne derived ⲟⲩⲣⲟⲩ from ⲟⲩⲣⲟ or related forms it seems he would've been in the minority.

-LDonahue2000 (talk) 02:14, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Reconstruction:Coptic/ⲁⲛϩⲟⲩⲣⲉ

Why did you move this to the reconstruction namespace? Surely the dictionary ref means it's attested, right? —Μετάknowledge^{discuss/deeds} 19:38, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

I've marked it as reconstructed because the page claims it to be a Sahidic form while the source page states "Greek (usage unclear)". --ⲫⲁϯⲟⲩⲉⲣϣⲓ (talk) 17:54, 8 September 2021 (UTC)