Module talk:eo-pron

Uncapitalized hyphenation?

@DTLHS The hyphenation function decapitalizes the headword for some reason, e.g. at Georgo. Can this be fixed? —Aɴɢʀ (talk) 17:26, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

Done. DTLHS (talk) 18:01, 13 August 2017 (UTC)

IPA and rhymes

At the moment, this module seems to invoke the templates {{IPA}} and {{rhymes}}. This is a bad practice and inefficient, the module should really be calling Module:IPA directly and bypass the templates. —Rua (mew) 12:48, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

x-system and h-system forms?

Right now it looks like it's convention to include the Pronunciation section in x-sistemo and h-sistemo quasi-redirect pages (e.g., sxuti). It doesn't work correctly with {{eo-IPA}} without overriding the rhyme, audio, and hyphenation arguments because it treats "x" or the h-form "h" as a normal Esperanto letter.

Any chance you could use the logic from {{eo-spel}} to make it work correctly on those pages, too? --TreyHarris (talk) 20:21, 29 November 2020 (UTC)

{{eo-IPA}}

Hi @DTLHS:

The {{eo-IPA}} template currently generates a transcription set off as phonemic, but it includes stress. Stress is not phonemic in Eo. So we should either drop the stress marking, or (maybe better?) use square brackets.

Either way, we should account for voicing assimilation, which Kalocsay & Waringhien state is "inevitable" (Plena analiza gramatiko §17). E.g., okdek should be /oɡdek/ or [ˈoɡdek], not */ˈokdek/. We could transcribe it morphophonemically as //okdek//, with an underlying /k/, but if so we'd still need to drop the stress.

kwami (talk) 20:50, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

(P.S. There are of course those who claim that "one letter, one sound" means that Eo has no allophonic or phonemic variation, though they seem to inevitably neglect distinctions that aren't phonemic in their native language; e.g. I've never seen anyone object that "emfazi" needs to be pronounced with an [m], not an [ɱ], according to that principle. (That's a distinction we can ignore with a broad transcription.) If we decide we need to pander to such people, we should at least have dual transcriptions given that we have RS's such as K&W that phonemic changes do occur in Eo. kwami (talk))

OK, I don't know anything about this but we can use square brackets if you like. You can edit the module as well since it's not protected. DTLHS (talk) 01:22, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Kwamigami:

Is the voicing assimilation universally regressive? I'm only a beginner, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but it seems at least as likely to be progressive. Maybe the template could indicate both possibilities, or maybe I'm just completely wrong. Your solution of using square brackets is definitely preferable to the current situation. embryomystic (talk) 04:43, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Is stress in Esperanto like it is in French, present only at the phrase level and utterly irrelevant at the word level? Or is it like in Polish, Finnish and Hungarian, present at the word level but fully predictable? If the latter, then I think we should still show it, just as we do in those languages. —Mahāgaja · talk 09:33, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Stress is present at the word level but predictable. —Granger (talk · contribs) 05:15, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I've only seen it described as regressive. (Sorry, didn't see the ping.) kwami (talk) 08:13, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

<j> covers two sounds

At the beginning of a syllable, <j> is the consonant /j/. In the diphthongs <aj>, <ej>, <oj> and <uj>, however, it is vocalic /i̯/. I don't know how to edit the module to distinguish these situations. (<aŭ> and <eŭ> are /au̯/, /eu̯/, but that's straightforward to correct, as <ŭ> does not begin a syllable in normal vocabulary.) kwami (talk) 08:17, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Mahagaja, Mx. Granger. kwami (talk) 08:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)