Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 April 22
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I recently closed this AfD, which was immediately contested by the nominator (Editorofthewiki (talk · contribs)). Posting a DRV to cut through the drama and just get more eyes on it. Pastordavid (talk) 19:54, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
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Like oh-so-many categories, another group has fallen simply because very few Wikipedians follow CfD. These categories were nominated and deleted with the rationale that they were not useful for per-OS collaboration, an argument in itself that isn't very convincing. What was definitely ignored is that we commonly use these categories for technical reasons beyond direct article collaboration. It's the same reason we have Wikipedians by Web browser or Wikipedians by Text editor, or even by Wikipedia-specific software. Contrary to the CfD nom, it is very helpful to Wikipedia to categorize users by what operating system they happen to use. Black Falcon did attempt to address some of this technical-aspect, but has missed the point. We don't use these categories simply to find someone else, at random, to see if they can help someone with a certain issue. Often times we are looking for the numbers themselves as an informal survey about what our editors are using. Other times we're not looking for other users for help, but to give notice. I've used similar categories in the past to notify users who might be able to give input on something, but were not directly associated to myself (in other words, find a bunch of users who happen to use X, to see if they can give a 3rd opinion about a discussion related to X). Finally, we do have the means to take these categories and make their results more specific, using tools such as WP:CATSCAN. You can cross reference any two user categories and get specific results. Need to find a user using Mac OS that runs a bot? I know I did when I first set up my bot. And while I don't mean to attack anyone or anything like that, but this seems to be the continuing results a very narrow view, minority view on how user categories are meant to be used. Being a CfD regular does not mean you speak for the community, and that is evident in this situation. A failing in CfD that needs to be addressed more globally, but no reason to let it happen in a specific situation like this, now they we're aware of it. One part of the nom that I don't necessarily disagree with, and would not be opposed to further discussing is the "fringe categories". While it's useful to have a distinction between XP and Vista, not so much for XP and XP Pro. I propose that we ether re-list the CfD, or more ideally, take the matter to a RfC, so that we can get a better consensus on this issue. -- Ned Scott 19:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC) Category:Wikipedians by operating system (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
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The deletion review debate ended in a No Consensus vote. I would like to bring closure to the discussion by submitting for a tie-breaking vote here. From my perspective, I am requesting a Delete vote since the subject fails WP:BIO and WP:NOT#NEWS and only received posthumous coverage for the discovery of his dead body. A similar article deletion discussion, regarding Richard Sumner, ended in the article’s removal from Wikipedia. Thanks. Ecoleetage (talk) 19:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC) Ecoleetage (talk) 19:11, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
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questionable_delete_by_unknown_administrator Contra-gian (talk) 16:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC) My contribution to this stub was deleted. I can't find a link to the administrator responsible so cannot leave notification. The contribution reported an episode of xenophobia on the part of Jean-Marc Furlan. Furlan will be prosecuted through the civil courts, in this regard, by the International League Against Racism and Antisemitism (LICRA). Although slightly biased, my contribution was not "vandalism" as it was not an attempt to compromise Wikipedia. The contribution was referenced by using reliable internet sources.The French version does include a report of this news item so, it is difficult to understand why the English version should have deleted my report of it. If this deletion happened automatically because the contribution contained the word "xenophobia" then the script has been incorrectly programmed: xenophobic utterances are what should be deleted, not accusations of xenophobia. If the administrator feels that the issue of Furlan's racism is off topic for an encyclopedia, then the complete entry for Jean-Mar Furlan should be deleted.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Contra-gian (talk • contribs) 17:18, April 22, 2008
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UNDELETE_REASON Jgladsto (talk) 16:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC) The Animal Science Image Gallery began as a partnership between the Animal Science Education Consortium (fifteen colleges and universities in the northeast and mid-Atlantic states) and the National Agriculture Library (NAL).Members of the American Society of Animal Science (ASAS), the American Dairy Science Association, the Poultry Science Association, the Equine Science Society, the American College of Theriogenologists and the Society for the Study of Reproduction have served as editors, reviewers, and submitters. The peer-reviewed images are for use in college level animal science curricula
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I'm going to begin working on cleaning up all of the pages related to the Myst franchise. I'm hoping to salvage what I can from these deleted articles and incorporate the information into the proper page. I am requesting an undeletion for temporary review on my Userspace, with history included. If approved, please place in my User subpage: User:OranL/Chroma'Agana -- OranL (talk) 08:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
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I'm going to begin working on cleaning up all of the pages related to the Myst franchise. I'm hoping to salvage what I can from these deleted articles and incorporate the information into the proper page. I am requesting an undeletion for temporary review on my Userspace, with history included. If approved, please place in my User subpage: User:OranL/Tomahna -- OranL (talk) 08:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
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I'm going to begin working on cleaning up all of the pages related to the Myst franchise. I'm hoping to salvage what I can from these deleted articles and incorporate the information into the proper page. I am requesting an undeletion for temporary review on my Userspace, with history included. If approved, please place in my User subpage: User:OranL/Age of D'ni -- OranL (talk) 08:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
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I am genuinely surprised and disappointed that this debate ended in the keeping of the article of a physician whose sole claim to notability is improving the procedure in which anethesia is administered to liposuction patients. The debate on the article was highly peculiar: the article's author (who is the son of the article's subject) made unverified claims on the subject's importance in the medical world, and resorted to using a sockpuppet to bolster his argument. He was backed by in his claims by a Wikipedia admin who resorted to insults and name calling when I attempted to show that the claims of notability had no verifiable and independent backing. The admin who ruled in favor of the article told me that the subject was saved from deletion because "What he actually did (or did not do) to get that coverage is not relevant to whether he meets wikipedia's notability guidelines" -- but that is a complete contradiction, since what he did is entirely dependent on meeting notability guidelines. (See Admin's response here: [1].) I would appreciate a new review of the article debate, cutting out the obvious conflicts of interest, sockpuppetry, and puerile language that skewered attempts to determine the subject's true notability. Thanks. Ecoleetage (talk) 01:26, 22 April 2008 (UTC) Endorse Keep I agree with User:Ecoleetage's close of this AfD. Guidelines are guide lines that are not absolute. With this in mind, there is an encyclopedic article here that has further potential. --Pmedema (talk) 03:07, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Endorse KeepI never used any sock puppets. many people other than myself contributed to improving the clarifying the article, and if one were to call up five cosmetic surgeons, 4 will say they know who Dr. Klein is. Also, his notariety isn't about liposuction. Tumescent anesthesia saved lives and improves patient recovery time and safety for countless people around the world every year. As for Ecoleetage, no body called you names. If anything, I felt that you were being uncivilized to me. I never used any sock puppets to make my arguments, and PLEASE stop saying that this article is un-notable based on your hunches. If you REALLY have to, connect with a doctor or two. Find out for yourself. You seem to be the only one against it. Lukeklein (talk) 06:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
Keep it's still noteworthy.64.128.73.42 (talk) 13:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
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I apologize that I did not realize there was a debate as the deletion of theThis is notable entry because of the national significance of the topic matter of affirmative action and the instrumental role of this particular student group. I do not agree that student groups are generally uninteresting as a proposition. Take, for example, SNCC. It is interesting because it is part of a larger political movement that has generated much debate and controversy in regards to the Supreme Court's stance on diversity in the context of public education. 69.238.218.27 (talk) 00:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
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