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Category:Manukau City Centre

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:29, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a thing that doesn't have enough spinoff content to warrant an eponymous category. There's only one entry here, but there would have to be at least five articles that could be filed here before an eponymous category was warranted. Bearcat (talk) 11:26, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Economic history of the Soviet Union

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus/merge/keep (respectively). (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:32, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, it is not useful to diffuse to a history subcategory, because all of it is history. This is follow-up on this earlier nomination.Marcocapelle (talk) 07:54, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep Military history, which is not just bout the military. Manually merge Legal history, as most of the content is actually penal history. Keep Economic history, which seems to be about movements and plans, and more specific than the target. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:13, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Confucian thought

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People of Breton descent‎

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Category:Greater León

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Category:Basketball players at the 2022 NCAA Division I Men's Final Four

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Category:Digi-TV affiliates

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:43, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Speedy delete: Network ceased operations on 8/1/2022 Mvcg66b3r (talk) 18:10, 1 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Bengali-language newspapers by country

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Category:Diene complexes

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The result of the discussion was: Do not merge, but instead make the latter a sub-cat and purge the overlap. – Fayenatic London 13:49, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: As all but two of these comounds has 1,5-cyclooctadiene as a ligand; the others should be merged to Category:Alkene complexes. –LaundryPizza03 (d) 19:53, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There appear to be two same-named different "diene" types here:
  • Conjugated (η4): butadi-1,3-ene; cyclohexa-1,3-diene is also mentioned in other articles and I think neutral cyclopentadiene or its analogs are known in this mode
  • Non-conjugated (κ4 composed of two η2): COD and norbornadiene
There seem to be enough COD to have their own category; I don't think the whole set with "diene" in their name are chemically unified enough to have a category. I think that's what the nom is proposing? Summary seems to be different than the rationale). Waiting for User:Smokefoot's input...he's wise in the ways of transition-metal complexes. DMacks (talk) 20:38, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose respectfully. 1,5-cyclooctadiene is just one of many popular diene ligands. So maybe you want to run the merge in the opposite direction: cyclooctadiene complexes merge into diene complexes. Its possible that some articles that discuss diene complexes could use additional catagories. (xylylene)Fe(CO)3 will eventually get its own article. And then we have (cyclobutadiene)Fe(CO)3. 1,3-Cyclooctadiene (not 1,5-) forms a Fe(CO)3 deriv. Dicyclopentadiene is another semi-popular diene ligand. (Norbornadiene)molybdenum tetracarbonyl is an example of many norbornadiene complexes. Some polyenes only coordinate through two double bonds, so they might be considered diene complexes, e.g. Bis(cyclooctatetraene)iron. Flyover complex are one many related dienone derivatives. Sorry to pile on, but these complexes are one of my loves.--Smokefoot (talk) 21:39, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Flyovers look neat--hadn't seen those before! Vaguely reminiscent of alkyne–bis(iron) complexes, with which I have passing experience? Smokefoot, how do you feel about the distinction between conjugated vs unconjugated as a defining characteristic? That is, should we specifically categorize every page in the Category:Alkene complexes tree into eta-2, eta-4, eta-6 subcats? Independent of that, it there some chemically relevant thing that unifies about "butadiene and norbornadiene" and distinguishes from "ethylene"? That is, should we specifically categorize every page in the Category:Alkene complexes tree as mono-ene, di-ene, tri-ene subcats? DMacks (talk) 22:56, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People from Ashburnham and Penhurst

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:People from Ashburnham, East Sussex. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:48, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per Talk:Ashburnham and Penhurst#Splitting the article "Ashburnham and Penhurst" is not a village or civil parish but only the name of a joint parish council for the separate CPs, I'm also fine with renaming to Category:People from Ashburnham, East Sussex as all entries appear to be for Ashburnham. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:51, 24 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I should have said "civil parish". Peterkingiron (talk) 18:49, 14 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Architecture by country and style

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Category:Theaters in Dagestan

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The result of the discussion was: Merge as WP:SOFTDELETE, i.e. with permission to re-create when there are more articles to put in it. – Fayenatic London 12:09, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. A dual merge is not needed, the article is already in Category:Theatres in Russia. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:54, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is a matter of a crystal ball whether equivalent articles in English will be written and whether they will meet guidelines of en.wiki. It becomes especially questionable as you are implictly discouraging a direct translation of the Russian articles to English in the discussion below. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:29, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not discouraging direct translations from Russian, and please don't suggest I am. I'd certainly encourage them to expand beyond those existing articles though to cover all encyclopedic details. Please don't nominate under smallcat without doing prior research into whether "no potential for growth" is met. Spokoyni (talk) 12:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Merge There's no misuse here; anyone wishing to populate this category has already had a month to do so and will have until this discussion is closed. If nobody does so, then the lack of potential for growth will have been demonstrated by the passage of time. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:34, 31 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Macedonian Orthodox Church – Ohrid Archbishopric

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Macedonian Orthodox Church. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:51, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: It is the current name of the main article, Macedonian Orthodox Church – Archdiocese of Ohrid, which is the official English name. Veverve (talk) 13:41, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Sri Lankan businesspeople by ethnicity

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Category:Breton journalists

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:54, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, only one article in the category. Merging to Category:Breton writers is not needed, the article is already lower in that tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Bioimaging software

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:56, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Free biosimulation software

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The result of the discussion was: merge as per Fayenatic London. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 18:58, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, this category and its parent Category:Biosimulation software together have only five articles now. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:03, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Academics from Africa

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:African academics. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:07, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, "from Africa" is not a nationality. There aren't any similar categories for other continents. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:56, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Finnish professors

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 08:53, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, academic personnel is diffused by subject and by university, not by rank. Other countries do not have a professors category.Marcocapelle (talk) 11:25, 30 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Western New Guinea geography stubs

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Category:Meitei transgender and transsexual people

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The result of the discussion was: Merge to Meitei people and transgender categories specified below. – Fayenatic London 11:41, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: per w:Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 May 5#Transgender and transsexual categoriesTazuco 01:56, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hindustanilanguage/userboxes

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:10, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Inappropriate personal userspace category. * Pppery * it has begun... 13:09, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Since is majorly related to the usage or non-usage of social media, the category can be renamed differently. Admins may explore renaming to some category such as "users not active on social media" or "userboxes pertaining to social media inactivity", if these are available, or create a similar category, if its unavailable. --Hindustanilanguage (talk) 09:02, 12 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Segunda División Pro (women)

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:09, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: League was created as second tier and named Segunda Pro in 2019, then became the third tier and renamed to Segunda Federación in 2022. Could this and its subcategories be renamed please - these would still be valid on articles relating to those 3 years, and the clubs/players who are involved in the new second tier (Primera Federación (women) ) can have the appropriate additional Category added when the season begins Crowsus (talk) 05:49, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Tercera División RFEF

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:12, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: League was created as Tercera División RFEF in 2021 then renamed as Tercera Federación a year later. Could this and subcategories be re-named please Crowsus (talk) 05:44, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support and move the subcats Category:Tercera División RFEF managers‎, Category:Tercera División RFEF play-offs‎, Category:Tercera División RFEF players‎ and Category:Tercera División RFEF seasons‎ to Category:Tercera Federación managers‎, Category:Tercera Federación play-offs‎, Category:Tercera Federación players‎ and Category:Tercera Federación seasons‎, respectively. BRDude70 (talk) 05:46, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also added Category:2022–23 Tercera División RFEF to Category:2022–23 Tercera Federación. BRDude70 (talk) 06:11, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Segunda División RFEF

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:18, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: League was created as Segunda División RFEF in 2021 then renamed as Segunda Federación a year later. Could this and subcategories be re-named please Crowsus (talk) 05:41, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support and move the subcats Category:Segunda División RFEF managers‎, Category:Segunda División RFEF play-offs‎, Category:Segunda División RFEF players‎ and Category:Segunda División RFEF seasons‎ to Category:Segunda Federación managers‎, Category:Segunda Federación play-offs‎, Category:Segunda Federación players‎ and Category:Segunda Federación seasons‎, respectively. BRDude70 (talk) 05:47, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Primera División RFEF

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:25, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: League was created as Primera División RFEF in 2021 then renamed as Primera Federación a year later. Could this and subcategories be re-named please (I already did Seasons manually, not the best idea as I knew I would need to do this request for the others, apologies) Crowsus (talk) 05:39, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support and move the subcats Category:Primera División RFEF managers‎, Category:Primera División RFEF play-offs‎, Category:Primera División RFEF players‎ and Category:Primera División RFEF seasons‎ to Category:Primera Federación managers‎, Category:Primera Federación play-offs‎, Category:Primera Federación players‎ and Category:Primera Federación seasons‎, respectively. BRDude70 (talk) 05:47, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hand-controlled rhythm games

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:33, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: It could be an exceptional case if we keep maintaining the category as such because in authority control, Mary means Madonna, of course. But I give my support to the move request starting from the sense that the contemporary usage of the word and relation to the mind of most humans, is more likely to be the singer, as testifies numerous of corollaries. Mary is semantically related to the meaning, but visually the word isn't for most humans, and as Bluesatellite pointed out, she has her own category. And in this latter aspect, its correct that she doesn't write, produce, or do concerts. If the move is effective, it can be also notice another usage regarding Mary (not sure if there is an specific template for that, I assume we have). --Apoxyomenus (talk) 02:53, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Seems like a no-brainer. - FlightTime (open channel) 05:40, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support (while I may have opposed in the past), also since Mary the mother of Jesus is often referred to as "the" Madonna so I agree the chance of confusion is fairly limited. I still disagree with the general statement that no disambiguator in article space necessarily leads to no disambiguator in category space. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment its very odd that after failing over and over again in various move requests, that when Madonna has become much much less popular, she somehow becomes the primary topic, as she wasn't before when she was actually relevant to the entertainment industry. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 06:28, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think this analogy its more applicable to Mary, and the Catholicism as a whole, because the practice is losing popularity in each new generation according to various statistics. There are Catholics in every nation, but then later exists more Lapsed Catholics. And the term "Madonna" isn't of the official canon in Christianity, nor included in the Bible. Also religious art/Renaissance Western art is something that can't be "read" easily by an average human.
Mary of course, as a cultural figure is present in media, but what about the term? That's less obvious. In most major worldwide outlets inside/outside music, the Madonna mention is because the singer. Even if a student is using a popular searching tool, like Google or a platform like YouTube, the results will be the singer. Google Scholars perhaps is more dominated by Mary or by other related things with the term, but the singer isn't absent. Wikipedia statistics can testify of this, as Madonna (art) receives lesser compared to the singer. Even, singer's page has always stayed in the first 1,000 pages with most visits in every single month, every year from +6 million articles. All of these is happening at the time of writing along your perception of an aging singer, and would likely to happen in our next decades; unless, we have a crystal ball and we will know that Catholicism/Mary will triumph above anything else in the digital era. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 07:13, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
With the decline in the popularity of both, neither would be seem would become the primary topic. There would be no primary topic, which is why it seems odd the entertainer becomes primary. Many Gen-Z and Millennials do not know the entertainer at all, even in the U.S. Give one a picture of her, and many can't identify her. -- 64.229.88.43 (talk) 22:19, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Once again. Popularity is subjective. I've my doubts with millennials, perhaps that's more a problem of Gen-Z but maybe not so extended. I'm from that latter generation and raised Catholic. I can say you're forgetting something: singer's ADN is still perpetual to the mainstream more than "Mary as Madonna". Alone in the 2020s, young artists have featured the singer to their younger audiences, such as Dua Lipa or Beyonce. Music still generating more headlines, and space than any religious art (the popular culture during the Renaissance). And you're forgetting the perennial scope that singer has when someone enters that word in accessible websites for anyone, for example all of the most used search engines worldwide. Let's imagine a student access to YouTube doing his/her homework with a visual media, and if for any chance typing "Madonna", of course, is the singer that will appears. Old, super-old or "dinosaur", the singer still generating news in influential media outlets outside music, like The New York Times (results) or CNN. Even in this site her traffic views speaks a lot. All of these things are not a matter to be singer's fans, its a "system" that you or me can't change. And it can't change overnight. Mary will also be known for Christians and no Christians as the Jesus' mother, that's her universality as a figure, but is not the word "Mary as Madonna", which is less obvious, starting from the sense that visually the word isn't the same as Mary. We can't also assume education is the same in all countries, but indeed culturally speaking she is better known in some many regards as the Virgin/Our Lady rather than Madonna (art). -Apoxyomenus (talk) 00:13, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No, WP:CATNAME#Name of the artist literally cite Peter Carey (novelist) as the example, since when is novelist considered visual artist? And flash news: Musicians are "artists"! Anyway, what do you mean with "actual Madonna"? There's no such thing as the "actual" one because that was a generic Italian term from the 16th century and not an original invention for Mary. I also remind you that this is not the place to argue which one is more "relevant" because the community has decided that it is the singer for this specific name case. Bluesatellite (talk) 14:18, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As I replied to Canadian IP, popularity is subjective, as Mary/Catholicism are no longer to be relevant for most generations living in the current period of the 3rd millennium. Ironically, almost every conduct directs to the singer. In Wikipedia alone (a signs of our times) the singer always appears in the first 1,000 pages in traffic views every month and every year, while Mary is no where, nor even her term associated —Madonna (art). --Apoxyomenus (talk) 15:47, 10 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
FlightTime its more applicable to some Catholics (and other groups), rather than religious readers as a whole. With Madonna Ciccone, is not a matter to be her fans, these are changes of the usage/perception generalized since the singer is present and despite the term still used for Mary in our days in some corners. As one of our policies advises that "historical age is not determinative" WP:DPT. Professor Maury Dean (2003, pag 524) said that "Madonna" meant Jesus' Mother, but that time changes while referring singer's influence. Anthologist Bruce Lansky (verified profile) asserted that "Madonna Ciccone already has out stripped the Virgin Mother as the archetype for her name" and there are other similar endorsements of art museums/semioticians/academics about the singer. The science of statistics means also a lot, including the traffic views in this site. The analogy could be compared with Google and other search engines in market share about the usage of the word/extension/audience in present culture between singer/Mary. --Apoxyomenus (talk) 01:19, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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