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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 00:56, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Kirk (disambiguation)

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There was a recent requested move discussion at Talk:Stephen Kirk, which closed as moved on the basis that only two notable individuals with this name exist. The intention of the RM nomination was that the dab page would be replaced by a pair of hatnotes on the Stephen Kirk and Steve Kirk articles, each linking to the other and making this dabpage unnecessary. With the hatnotes in place, the dab page is not actually linked from anywhere. Since the RM closed, User:Boleyn has added two new entries to the dab page, "Stephen Kirk (songwriter) on Pray (Jessie Murph song)" and "Steve Kirk (illustrator) who worked with Cathy Camper". These are non-notable individuals who would not ever qualify for their own redirect or page and I see no need for us to retain a disambiguation page listing them. WP:DABMENTION instructs us to do this only if "a link to that article may be included if it would provide value to the reader", something, which is not the case for these individuals. Additionally there are links to Geoffrey Stephen Kirk, Kirk Stephens and Kirk Stevens, but again these are not plausible candidates for the "Stephen Kirk" name.  — Amakuru (talk) 15:37, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for an entry on a dab page to be valid, it needs a 'Stephen Kirk' who has an article, who meets MOS:DABRL, or meets MOS:DABMENTION. This page has several, plus in the 'see also' section names that could be mistaken for 'Stephen Kirk'. Dabs are essentially indexes to WP, and show where a reader can find informaiton on a person. Therefore this page shows where you can find information on different people named Stephen Kirk. It is a valid dab page per the guidelines and the hatnotes to the dab have been restored - they would of course be deleted if the page was. I don't see anything policy-based in the argument for deletion, nothing referring to disambiguation guidelines. Boleyn (talk) 15:41, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Boleyn: Thanks for the comment. However, are the individuals mentioned on the page notable? If they aren't, then they don't qualify for WP:DABRL or WP:DABMENTION per my comments above. There's no value to a reader in forcing them to make an extra click to get from the handball player to the basketball player and vice versa, just to stare at the names of people who don't meet WP:GNG. The recent RM was conducted on the basis that there only two notable Stephen Kirks. If you think that isn't the case, then I'd be intrested to see the evidence, and maybe we should redlink them on the dab page. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 15:47, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 07:20, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. Neither non-notable Kirk is discussed in their linked articles, only name-dropped. We don't need a DAB for every single shared name ever appearing on WP.
JoelleJay (talk) 22:27, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Both Stephen Kirk (songwriter) and Steve Kirk (illustrator) have worked on more than a Jessie Murph song and Cathy Camper book, respectively, so those are not appropriate redirects. Moreover, DABMENTION requires that they be discussed in those articles, and they are merely mentioned there, not discussed. Finally, I don't think either of them meets DABRL because neither are notable as of now (although Stephen Kirk (songwriter) might become notable, given that he's worked with some high profile acts, like BTS). voorts (talk/contributions) 01:16, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. DABMENTION states "If a topic does not have an article of its own, but is discussed within another article". The two entries Boleyn added are mentioned in passing, not discussed. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:40, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Voorts and Clarityfiend. AllTheUsernamesAreInUse (talk) 04:37, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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