Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sonic screwdriver

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The result was keep‎. I hope these sources can be added to the article now. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:55, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sonic screwdriver

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Most of this article is WP:OR. It is sourced to self-published such as wowstuff.co.uk or fan sites. A WP:BEFORE search brings up WP:PLOT summary or brief mentions and qualifies as a WP:GNG fail. If it were to be completely rewritten with proper sources it would still be at best a section in another article. Jontesta (talk) 04:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Jontesta (talk) 04:28, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:43, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is a lot of content here which lacking in-line citations, but most is based on primary sources. So I do not believe that WP:OR is actually a big problem, although I believe that that kind of content could need quite a bit of trimming. I do believe there is easily enough in secondary sources to establish notability, taking together sources like The Economic Times, Gizmondo, Engineering & Technology, The Language of Touch, and especially Gender and the Quest in British Science Fiction Television at a number of places. Shouldn't at least the latter have shown up as something easily recognizebly other than plot-summary in a proper WP:BEFORE search? Daranios (talk) 11:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I did a brief search and found sources relating to fan reactions to the Screwdriver's various redesigns for days. I had more success searching "Sonic Screwdriver" and then inserting the name of a specific incarnation of the Doctor afterwards, which yielded results for a particular incarnation of the Screwdriver. I will also note that the Screwdriver became so ubiquitous that it was added to the Oxford Dictionary of English. [1][2] I additionally found multiple GBooks hits that looked strong, but admittedly a lot of them were paywalled, so I couldn't gauge them very effectively. Either way there seems to be a lot of significant coverage. This article's in rough shape rn, but there is room for improvement. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 15:41, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Daranios' sourcing. Can you share how you found so many hits when the nominator's BEFORE search did not? Jclemens (talk) 18:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Jclemens and Jontesta: I don't know really, because mostly what I did is what's mandatory in the WP:BEFORE search, and found sources in the article as it stands now, Google Books and Google News searches. I did find additional hits through the suggested but optional Google Scholar search. So I guess one thing we can take away from this for topics of this type is that in a time where popular culture is increasingly examined by academia, a Google Scholar search should be included by anyone considering nomination for deletion in case they come up empty in the mandatory parts of the BEFORE search. Daranios (talk) 15:32, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: The Economic Times and Radio Times sources present in the article indicate that changes to the sonic screwdriver get press coverage. There are also eight pages on the sonic screwdriver in Doctor Who: Impossible Worlds, a non-fiction art collection. Toughpigs (talk) 18:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.