Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Seventeen Candles

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Redirect to List of Gossip Girl episodes. Material not merged, as plot summary already exists. Those wishing to incorporate information from the history are welcome to do so, but please note source per WP:MERGE. Moonriddengirl ^(talk) 16:45, 8 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Seventeen Candles

TV episode with no claim to notability given. Does not deserve its own article per WP:EPISODE. Nehwyn (talk) 15:05, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article also contradicts WP:NOT#Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information in that it is merely a plot summary. --Nehwyn (talk) 08:29, 7 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fancruft, the same is true for the other articles on each episode of the series. PKT (talk) 19:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom. RMHED (talk) 19:24, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Clearly notable --Peter Andersen (talk) 12:20, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Article has a large recap from TV-guide - see external links - I would define that as significant coverage in a reliable source per WP:EPISODE.--Peter Andersen (talk) 12:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The article is a plot summary... and its reliable source confirming notability is an external plot summary? Please understand - a TV episode is not notable because it has a plot. An external source is used to verify a specific claim to notability - such as that it has won an award, or has raised debate over a contentious issue. A plot recap is not a claim to notability. --Nehwyn (talk) 12:47, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

From WP:NOTE: "A topic is presumed to be notable if it has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." This topic has received significant coverage in a reliable source that is independent of the subject. And is therefore notable. --Peter Andersen (talk) 13:07, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An episode recap can certainly be used as a source if the claim to notability is having a plot, yes. But having a plot is not a claim to notability. Other than that, so far there appears to be no claim particular to this episode. And please note - multiple reliable sources are required. --Nehwyn (talk) 13:13, 5 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Meh. I'd prefer to keep; I have a very hard time believing that these episodes are somehow less notable than most of the episodes of all these other shows -- notability seems to have been stretched a fair amount when it comes to tv shows. That said, rather than delete entirely, I would merge and redirect content back into the list of Gossip Girl episodes page, which already exists -- people are going to be looking for these pages as it's a current show. -- phoebe/(talk) 06:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The argument "we kept those, we gotta keep this" is not acceptable in this type of debate. However, I would be amenable to a merge and redirect solution in List of Gossip Girl episodes. --Nehwyn (talk) 08:12, 6 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.