Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Serkan Silan

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The result was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 10:52, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Serkan Silan

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Amateur footballer that does not seem to pass WP:GNG. A Turkish source search yielded stats sites and trivial coverage. Haberler is not sufficient for an article as it merely mentions his position, age and former clubs, so covers nothing more than a stats site would. Iyigunler mentions him as 2nd captain and says that he played 23 games but I wouldn't consider that coverage significant enough for a stand-alone either. Consensus from previous AfDs is that brief transfer announcements do not confer notability. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:50, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Football, and Turkey. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:50, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:54, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Not an amateur, over 250 semi-pro games. [1], it's possible to pass GNG if a full Turkish breakdown was done. I personally can't see that being done know. Govvy (talk) 11:37, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In my view, the only way that this can be saved is if someone can find a way of searching Turkish newspapers that don't appear on DDG, ProQuest or Google searches. Given the extremely low level that this footballer played at, it's not reasonable to presume that such coverage exists without evidence. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:51, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Turkish football doesn't have the lower league coverage like other European countries, but it does have it. But the Turkish-football side of wikipedia, bar the national team and the top few clubs isn't really the best. Wikipedia has a bias nature to be selective and where editors are working. You could probably say that there is an wiki-economy on what is covered and what isn't. I can't see this article serving the dreaded AfD, simply because there is a lack of wiki-economy in this area. Govvy (talk) 14:09, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This debate reminds me of this, this and this one. People have been arguing for a presumption of notability for lower-level Turkish players for a while now but it never gained consensus. This year, we have deleted Anıl Abanoz and Hüsnü Zeybekoğlu with no arguments against. Conversely, Ali Karnapoğlu and Murat Sarıgül split the community on this issue but were ultimately deleted as those in favour of keeping struggled to prove notability. I personally believe that there is no harm in 'soft' deleting a lot of the badly sourced BLPs of all nationalities which means that there should be no prejudice against recreating them should at least one source showing substantial coverage from WP:RS be presented. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:20, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. Giant Snowman 17:49, 6 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Article about former footballer who had one season in the Turkish second division and spent the rest of his career in the third level or lower, which fails WP:GNG. I can only find routine and trivial coverage such as club press releases about injuries and contracts that were picked up by media outlets (This is typical - very little prose about Silan, and the source isn't really independent of the subject when it derives from the club press release). I don't see how this can pass the GNG. Jogurney (talk) 16:45, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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