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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 10:45, 30 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Russell Henderson (disambiguation)

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This disambiguation page contains the primary topic and one other topic for the ambiguous title. The AfD is issued after the PROD tag got removed. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 06:45, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: Leaning oppose for now (I removed the PROD), but this may be a technicality that can be resolved. The problem is, that WP:ONEOTHER says: "If there is a primary topic located at the base name,..." and bases everything that follows on that condition. However, that condition is not satisfied, since the primary topic is currently not located at the base name, and so I presume that ONEOTHER does not apply here for the time being. The primary topic is clearly the convict (who has the PARENDIS, at Russell Henderson (convict)) and who gets all the search results up to #12, where the musician, Russell Henderson, first appears. However, we don't have an article at Russell Henderson (convict), just the redirect for the convict. So, I'm not sure what happens when PRIMARYTOPIC is a redirect, and whether that affects this. I judged that it probably does, because the convict appears to easily meet criterion 1 (usage), and although it wasn't clear some years ago, now it does seem clear with continuing coverage of the Shepherd case that it meets criterion 2 as well. So, I think what needs to happen here, is swap (convict) into undisambiguated position, add '(musician)' to the other one, and then revisit this to see where we are then. I think at that point, the initial ONEOTHER criterion would then be satisfied, and removal of the disambig page would be indicated. Mathglot (talk) 08:04, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It seems that you have misunderstood WP:2DABS. "If there is a primary topic located at the base name, ..." doesn't actually exclude the case of WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT at all. It's only a depiction about the case when there's a primary topic associated with the base name, comparing to the case of WP:NOPRIMARY in the section above WP:ONEOTHER. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 08:44, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not assuming it's excluding PRIMARYTOPIC, I'm assuming it means what it says, namely, the PRIMARYTOPIC is at the basename, or translating that, that the PRIMARYTOPIC is at the pagename 'Russell Henderson'. What I am saying is, the PRIMARYTOPIC is not currently at the basename, therefore per the if-condition given, ONEOTHER does not currently apply to this case. (But it would apply, if the titles were swapped.) Mathglot (talk) 09:36, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Mathglot, how is Russell Henderson (convict) a primary topic? It's only your opinion and had been contested by PC78 in the RM discussion which was closed without any consensus. Since you never start another one after that, the current topic at the base name remains primary. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 09:25, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Perhaps, but WP:CCC, and it isn't my opinion, well it is, but it is the PRIMARYTOPIC based on data, which you can reproduce yourself, by executing a search for 'Russell Henderson' and tallying up some of the top results. The musician first appears at #12. Look, I don't really care that much about this, and if the D-page gets deleted, then so be it. But I'd rather it be demonstrable by current guidelines and the best data we have available, and I don't see it. Mathglot (talk) 09:36, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    OK, I can see Matthew Shepard is a clear primary topic with respect to usage from clickstream dataset and there's no problem to make it a primary redirect. I'm afraid that you have to start a separate RM for the potentially controversial move, since you have proposed one with no consensus. However, the disambiguation page should be deleted anyway and it might not be a proper way to exploit AfD for this move without any change to the outcome. NmWTfs85lXusaybq (talk) 14:37, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete regardless of one's opinions on which is the primary topic, a hatnote on that topic pointing to the other will suffice. * Pppery * it has begun... 17:13, 25 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

*Delete. A disambiguation page is not required. If the musician is not the primary topic then that page should be moved to a disambiguated title. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 17:24, 26 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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