Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ProgPower USA

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 15:56, 22 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ProgPower USA

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does not meet WP:GNG and there is not categfor a festival. Possibly WP:EVENT. The sources I could find were simply mentions of bands attending the festival or set-lists of bands at the festival. No significant coverage of the festival itself. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:39, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - There is significant coverage of the festival, such as THIS from Billboard magazine. This is a poorly sourced article, to be sure, but the duration of the event (more than a decade) and its place of importance to a specific musical sub-genre (prog rock) adds value to this piece, in my estimation. Carrite (talk) 05:48, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry. That discusses several festivals and ProgPower USA is only mentioned in paragraph 4. Maybe I'm missing it, but that's not significant coverage and it's only one. Still fails. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:07, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 00:27, 2 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:34, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:30, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

ProgPower USA is an internationally attended annual festival matched with international coverage, as the festival appears in numerous print media. Photographic examples of historical print media (dating back to its inception!) festival coverage can be seen here — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenhartley (talk • contribs) 22:55, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Online 2013 festival coverage:

Mark Gromen, Bravewords.com - festival review

Frank Serafine, Metal Underground - Friday review

Carl Frederick, Metal Underground - Unearthing the Metal Underground

Blabbermouth - 2014 roster announcement

Blabbermouth - Ashes of Ares article

Frank Serafine, Metal Underground - Saturday review

Metal Injection photo gallery

Skullsnbones photo coverage of Armored Saint

Carl Frederick, Metal Underground - Thursday review

Frank Serafine, Metal Underground - Wolverine interview

Erika War, Rock Notes Webzine - quick fest review. (first timer perspective)

Bruce Kirkpatrick, thank you to Circus Maximus

Peavey provides backline

Matt Vicente, Lady Obscure

Frank Serafine, Metal Underground - interview w/ MYRATH

Frank Serafine, Metal Underground Ashes of Ares

Robert Kitay, 100% Rock Magazine festival review

Frank Serafine, Metal Underground Divinity Compromised

Additional press coverage of the festival:

http://theageofmetal.com/2012/09/ronnie-atkins-of-pretty-maids-talked-to-the-age-of-metal-at-progpower-usa-xiii/

http://theageofmetal.com/2012/09/diego-cafolla-of-kingcrow-checked-in-with-the-age-of-metal-at-progpower-usa-xiii/

http://theageofmetal.com/2012/09/georg-thomas-clementine-of-serenity-checked-in-with-the-age-of-metal-from-progpower-usa-xiii/

http://theageofmetal.com/2012/08/glenn-harveston-promoter-of-progpower-usa-checked-in-with-the-age-of-metal/

http://arizonametal.wordpress.com/2010/09/21/progpower-usa-xi-atlanta-ga-sep-10-112010/

http://www.theartofprog.com/?page_id=10

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/crimson-glory-comments-on-progpower-usa-festival-performance/

http://www.notesfromtheotherside.com/

http://floorjansen.com/blog/with-mayan-at-progpower-usa

Photo coverage:

http://www.artistxposure.com/tag/progpower-usa-x/

http://www.artistxposure.com/tag/progpower-usa-xi/

http://www.artistxposure.com/tag/progpower-usa-xii/

http://www.artistxposure.com/tag/progpower-usa-xiii/

http://www.artistxposure.com/tag/progpower-usa-xiv/

http://www.artistxposure.com/tag/progpowerusa-xiv/

http://esa.ahola.net/Live/ProgPowerUSA

http://www.stephenschmidtphoto.com/Galleries/ProgPowerUSA

http://www.atlantamusicguide.com/2013/09/12/picture-book-progpower-usa-xiv-center-stage/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.166.193.133 (talk) 00:28, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenhartley (talk • contribs) 00:23, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenhartley (talk • contribs) 23:42, 14 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for making my point. No coverage in reliable sources. Walter Görlitz (talk) 00:20, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

"Reliable sources" are debatable, sir. These are valid, credible in the metal genre. The festival does not cater to mainstream media. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenhartley (talk • contribs) 00:30, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Did you happen to note above? https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10150135072652943.304983.88398722942&type=3 If these magazines aren't reliable sources up to Wiki standards, please delete the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jenhartley (talk • contribs) 00:43, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't notice that, but lots of festivals have Facebook pages. Walter Görlitz (talk) 01:06, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, lots of festivals have Facebook pages, but not many of them can claim a decade of existence. ProgPower is one of the few, if not the only festival of this kind in the US. Due to the difference of media, you aren't going to see much in the way of discussion or advertising as you might with a festival like Wacken ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wacken_Open_Air ). With that in mind, I want to know what you are considering a reliable source, in this case? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Freakchylde (talk • contribs) 01:34, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

That which is described at WP:RS is what I consider to describe a reliable source.

Oddly enough, that's what Wikipedia considers to be a reliable source too.

And lots of decades-old festivals do have Facebook pages. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:04, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, v/r - T P 02:34, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Established festival with international coverage by domain-specific reliable sources (as shown by User:Jenhartley above). Kolbasz (talk) 13:40, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Görlitz the discussion is not whether or not the ProgPower USA festival has a facebook page, but rather said facebook page contains a photo album in which photographs appear of numerous print media (from around the world) with articles covering the ProgPower USA festival either on the cover or within. We plan to cite these sources on the wiki page revision. Jenhartley (talk) 17:19, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well that's different. It looks to me like many of the articles are not substantial though. Most of them are photos of bands that performed at the festival. One appears to be a self-published band biography and, well. I'd like to see the sources up close. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Additional reliable sources we plan to cite within our revision include, but are not limited to:

Wagner, Jeff. Mean Deviation (book): Four Decades of Progressive Heavy Metal. Brooklyn: Bazillion Points Books, 2010. Print. Excerpt

Ollila, Mape. "Once Upon a Nightwish: The Official Biography 1996 - 2006". Torpinkyl, Finland: Deggael Communications Ltd., 2007. Print. Excerpt

Reesman, Bryan. "A Ride With Dream Theater's John Petrucci." Grammy.com, 09 September 2013. Web. 15 November 2013. Excerpt

Jenhartley (talk) 17:43, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are these mentions of extensive coverage? Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:44, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Additional reliable sources we plan to cite within our revision include, but are not limited to:

De Campos, Vanessa. "ProgPower USA IX Atlanta, 26th September 2008." Fireworks. March/April 2009: 77-78. Print. Issue 35 PHOTO

Gromen, Mark. "Onstage ProgPower VII." Metal Maniacs. February 2007: 108-109. Print. PHOTO

Devani, Sarjoo. "ProgPower USA VII." Explicitly Intense. 2006: 46-47. Print. PHOTO

Johnsen, Matt. "ProgPower 2.0." Metal Maniacs. August 2002: 96-98. Print. PHOTO

Johnsen, Matt. "ProgPower Fest IV." Metal Maniacs. March 2004: 85-88. Print. PHOTO

Popke, Michael. "A Progressively Metallic Power Play: ProgPower USA V Unfolds with Plenty of Surprises and Establishes itself as one of the World's Elite Music Festivals." Progression Magazine. Spring 2005: 71-74. Print. PHOTO

Johnsen, Matt. "ProgPower USA III." Metal Maniacs. September 2003: 99-101. Print.

Hicks, Taylor. "ProgPower USA." Rock N Roll. December 2012: 50-51. Print.

These 8 magazine print articles contain live reviews/coverage of the ProgPower USA festival. Jenhartley (talk) 14:31, 18 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per above significant coverage. Many souces, even if niche publications, appear to be anyway reliable. Cavarrone 06:57, 19 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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