Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Olga Obukhova

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 11:23, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Olga Obukhova

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:POLITICIAN. I don't know what's the policy for journalists but either way I cannot find any coverage on her in English. I checked in Russian and there is an Olga Gennadyevna Obukhova, Minister of Culture of Murmansk Oblast, however this has nothing to do with the individual Olga Ivanovna Obukhova. Even so, in Russian there is little to no notable coverage for Olga Ivanovna Obukhova, or of any of her books. I also can find no significant coverage for the alias listed in the article, Della Swanholm. Jaguarnik (talk) 01:50, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Authors, Women, Journalism, and Russia. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:09, 10 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - The article in Russian indicates that she was involved in diplomatic service and charity activities in Denmark with her husband Alexey Obukhov. Still, I could not find any coverage on both of them in Russian or English-speaking media to assess the notability of these activities. ThegaBolt (talk) 19:16, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Try to look up the Goodreads:https://www.goodreads.com/author/list/21268425.Della_Swanholm Serpuhov (talk) 18:51, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do care also to look at the Litres:

Olga Obukova writing as Della Swanholm

https://www.litres.ru/author/della-svanholm-28432006/

Olga Obukova writing per se:

https://www.litres.ru/author/olga-ivanovna-obuhova/ Serpuhov (talk) 18:59, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You can see that the person fully deserves the credit as a writer (more than 20 books published). So mentioning her as Russian non-fiction writers, Russian women novelists is 100% correct. Serpuhov (talk) 19:03, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Goodreads and litres are not good examples of notable coverage. There are millions of authors listed on those databases, only a small percent of them are notable. Jaguarnik (talk) 19:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In the very beginning, you came forward with saying that this Wiki article person does not quite comply with the requirements for a well-known journalist. Now you got across to insisting that as an author of 8 published books, she isnt good either. Serpuhov (talk) 20:09, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So the best solution might be simply displacing the Article from the "Journalists" and placing her to the "Russian writers / novelists" domain. Serpuhov (talk) 20:24, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AUTHOR would guide us to vote keep if you could show us multiple independent reviews of her work. Are you aware of such reviews? CT55555(talk) 03:46, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be just a little bit off the mark. There arent «millions of authors listed on those databases», the actual numbers by country is significantly lower. The point is, the subject of this article has published 8 books published, paper-back, one after another, and not simply sent out as e-books. This means the books were accepted by the readers and reviewers and what not. Of course if you choose to shelve the authors by their value vis-a-vis History, then only few remain. One might even deduce that Galsworthy deserves his place in Wiki while O'Henry or Jerome K. Jerome should be subjected to deletion. Serpuhov (talk) 20:02, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

reviews for the book "Copenhagen: pearl of Scandinavia":https://readli.net/kopengagen-zhemchuzhina-skandinavii/ Serpuhov (talk) 20:35, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

reviews for the book "Austria":https://www.labirint.ru/reviews/goods/649679/ Serpuhov (talk) 20:36, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here are reviews for the author's book "Denmark: https://www.livelib.ru/author/261404/reviews-olga-obuhova Serpuhov (talk) 20:32, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

These aren't independent reviews... They're user-given reviews that don't prove anything about the notability of the author. I'm not sure what your point about O.Henry is, as O.Henry is an important figure in literature who is still widely-read today, and he certainly passes the notability criteria. Olga Ivanovna Obukhova is not- neither in the quality of a journalist nor an author; she is not widely-covered, and you haven't proven her notability at all. If you struggle with the notability criteria of an individual, WP:AUTHOR exists for you to look at. Kind regards, Jaguarnik (talk) 22:45, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 03:08, 17 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:01, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I can't find any sources. Agree that the sources above aren't useful for GNG. Oaktree b (talk) 03:56, 24 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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