Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/New Zealand College of Education

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 01:55, 9 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

New Zealand College of Education

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Apparently fake of hoax educational institution. Not accredited, not in companies register, no independent sources. See also discussion at Wikipedia:New_Zealand_Wikipedians'_notice_board#New_Zealand_College_of_Education and the article talk page Stuartyeates (talk) 23:19, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:42, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:42, 1 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or speedy delete per WP:CSD#G3. Article was created by hijacking a legitimate article and then moving it to the current name. The solution would be to move it back and revert the edits since the hijack, except the previous article has since been recreated and now has more content than it originally did. A history merge might be an appropriate solution.-gadfium 01:25, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Changing to Keep per Doc James, now that the article is exposing the college as a scam. I presume someone here tipped off the reporter. Good work.-gadfium 21:29, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as not notable. (I don't believe it's a hoax. But very dishonourable of User:Richards1954 to hijack the original article.) Nurg (talk) 07:31, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as non-existent entity - no independent evidence that it exists can be found. MurielMary (talk) 09:12, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Changing my "vote" to Keep as it's now been documented in a news story as a scam. MurielMary (talk) 22:16, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

delete as non notable.-- Deep fried okra 09:53, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I can perform the histmerge of original article's content to original article. Please ping me.-- Deep fried okra 09:56, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 10:22, 2 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This appears to be a notable scam. Have added that with references. By the way we are the first link on google for this term. IMO we have an obligation to try to help protect people from this scam now that we have discovered it. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:16, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

We could also merge to List of Wikipedia controversies Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:46, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I concur with Doc James. Now that we've discovered that it's a scam, and it's been reported as a scam by Newshub (which makes it notable), we should keep the article as a warning. Schwede 66 21:22, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Gadfium, Doc James and Schwede66. Yes Gadfium, "someone here tipped off the reporter". For those who haven't seen it, the newsroom story is The Invisible College That Wants Your Cash. Moriori (talk) 21:52, 3 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and salt. Yes, it appears to be a hoax/scam but no, it is not for Wikipedia to put up an article warning people about it. Following its recent editing, the article as it stands at the moment ("New Zealand College of Education (NZCOE) appears to be a scam which is falsely presenting itself as a college...") fails WP:OR and WP:NOTSCANDAL, rather than editing it in this way it would have been better, IMO, to speedily delete it as a hoax. Even if an article about the scam were warranted (best written retrospectively, when the facts are actually known and that assessment can be made), it would not be entitled "New Zealand College of Education". Dorsetonian (talk) 17:48, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's not WP:OR; please see the Newsroom article. Schwede 66 19:10, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it's that clear-cut: the Newsroom article follows the discussion on Wikipedia at Talk:New Zealand College of Education. But I think that's now largely moot; having looked at how other hoaxes have been dealt with, I think we should deal with this similarly, and have replaced my recommendation with the one below. Dorsetonian (talk) 23:41, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Move. It think the way to deal with this is to list the hoax on Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia and move the hoax article to Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/New Zealand College of Education without leaving a redirect. Anyone who then visits New Zealand College of Education will then see clearly that the article was a hoax and has been moved. See e.g. Rough Creek Ranch for a similar example. Dorsetonian (talk) 23:41, 4 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for 2-3 months then redirect to Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia mostly per the reasoning of @Doc James: (though this is a slightly different recommendation). We should keep the article up as it is now, simply to let recent scamees know what happened to their future education and money. Since the scammers website is now offline, there may be no other way to find out. After 2-3 months are gone though, the interest in these facts is much more academic. Redirecting to the more general article will preserve the edit history, which is important to me personally (I'll likely write a short article on this for The Signpost) but others may have similar interest in the scam. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 02:59, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Doc James, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:07, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.