Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mista Mushroom

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was Delete. Deathphoenix ʕ 15:17, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mista Mushroom

Fails WP:BAND. The music contest that they won is extremely minor (second-largest on the Isle of Wight) and they are unsigned. --M @r ē ino 14:35, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete {{db-band}} candidates - unsigned, no albums, singles, chart positions, notable members or national tours. WP:Music refers. (aeropagitica) (talk) 15:53, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Just a small band. --Dakart 16:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete per WP:BAND. 56 Google results. --Slgrandson 16:32, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Since nobody bothered to contact the creator during PROD or AfD to explain to them why this article is not suitable or which guidelines it doesn't meet, I withhold my opinion at this time. People need to start reading Before nominating an AfD and try to follow it.--Isotope23 17:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- I didn't contact the creator b/c the creator saw the PROD. Also, Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion#Before_nominating_an_AfD says nothing about contacting the creator.--M@rēino 17:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - Funny, I could have sworn that "Before nominating a recently-created article, please consider that many good articles started their Wikilife in pretty bad shape. Unless it is obviously a hopeless case, consider sharing your reservations with the article creator, mentioning your concerns on the article's discussion page, and/or adding a template such as {{importance}}." was one of the bullet points...--Isotope23 18:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  - The section you quote says nothing about contacting the creator. I did share my concerns with the creator by posting WP:BAND in the PROD. Anyway, I routinely contact the creator in cases where I think that the article can be saved; in fact, I created one of the templates used to facilitate that process. I refuse to do it in situations where I can tell myself that there is no hope of saving the article and where the creator is aware that the article is up for deletion. --M@rēino 19:34, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    - sharing your concerns with a new editor by referencing a wiki guideline shortcut like WP:BAND doesn't really meet the spirit of the text in my opinion. Think about this... If you were a new user and created a new article, then someone tagged it for PROD with a reason WP:BAND, would you have the faintest idea what they were talking about? It's obscure and doesn't really tell someone who is not familiar with the arcana of Wikipedia anything at all. I'm not trying to pick on you specifically Mareino, because this is a fairly widespread problem with AfD and PROD nominations.--Isotope23 19:46, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      - Alright, Isotope, you have a point. In the future, I promise to write more detailed explanations when dealing with non-vandals. --M @r ē ino 19:53, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
        Thanks Mareino... it is appreciated. Hopefully everyone will take the time to do this in the future!--Isotope23 13:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - unless they can expand on the references to the popularity of their live shows and demonstate that they are a regular national touring act. If they can do that, they would be a keepie. Ac@osr 18:15, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm the creater of the mista mushroom page. Mista Mushroom are unsigned. Thus, if the necessary criteria for a band to be on this website is to be signed then they must sadly be removed. However, if this is not so clearly defined then I would like to argue for its presence to remain. Firstly, the Bestival is not such a small festival as mentioned by someone: Broadcasted on Radio1, voted second best music festival by the guardian last summer, and with names such as fatboy slim, basement jaxx and lee scratch perry. The band toured last Summer accross the South West and the Midlands. They've had airplay on the Radio1 twice and are preparing a tour for this summer. As I said above they aren't signed so this post might be pointless, but given the difficulty it is to be a 'successful band' without being signed, I think that the festival playing alone is a factor that sets them apart from most other bands. I don't really know how a band can be 'successful' before being signed with achievements such as this band already have. What do you think?
Comment - as I stated above, we need evidence that they are a regular national touring act; just saying that they are is no use when it's the only part of WP:MUSIC that appears to be passed. Playing a festival doesn't entail immediately notability - it's just one gig, regardless of the numbers involved - that said, if you can show that the BBC broadcast included the band's set then you might be onto something. There are artists on Wiki who have never been "signed" in the ordinary sense, working with various lables or even exclusively their own so it's not an immediate bar to an entry.Ac@osr 17:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I also want to add that, unlike with most other articles, being deleted is not the end of the world for a band. A band that is non-notable today could secure a couple of reviews in newspapers and magazines or land a major-label record deal, and suddenly they would qualify for an article. In the interim, you may copy the contents of the page over to your user page. User pages are a good place to store material that you hope to spin into an article, because bascially the only things that can ever be deleted from user pages are things that break the law, like threats and copyright violations. --M @r ē ino 19:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I am the author of this page. Having just discovered the criteria for putting a band onto this website I would like to dispute the deletion of this band due to the following criteria: "A musician or ensemble...is notable if it meets any one of the following criteria...Has won or placed in a major music competition". The Bestival auditions clearly qualify as a major music competition - for the reasons noted above - and they won this. Therefore as only one criteria needs to be satisfied I see no reason for deleting this and will remove the 'to be deleted' headnote. --tolfree 11:42, 20 May 2006
Comment - "Bestival Auditions" brings up a grand total of 4 Google hits, one of which is this page. Ac@osr 10:47, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Are you sure you didn't make a typo? I just ran a search for it and it came up with a lot more. Secondly, how can an audition for a festival that triggures 362,000 results in google, and which has such major names as mentioned above, not be considered a major music competition? And if this is the case, what sort of music competitions that cater for this genre are any bigger? This is to my knowledge the biggest British music festival that holds auditions - Glastonbury, Leeds & Reading and global gathering don't! --tolfree 11:42, 20 May 2006
Comment - finally, I've been searching for other bands that are unsigned to see what credentials they hold. One example, [InVersion], is a band that has had airplay on phoenix fm (unknown to me) and the only credible competition they have won is a battle of the bands. Incidentally, Mista Mushroom have won two separate botb competitions: Isle of Wight and Central South England. Why therefore has this band been allowed to remain with apparently smaller achievements than mista mushroom? I guess if you go on your 'google hits' criteria then they win, but that's because they name has other meanings, unlike mista mushroom. It just seems rather unfair that's all.--tolfree 11:42, 20 May 2006
Delete - per nom. Zaxem 12:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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