Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harry M. Rubin

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎. The initial mistake combined with divided opinions among the other participants unsurprisingly produced no consensus after multiple relists. RL0919 (talk) 20:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Harry M. Rubin

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Upon review of article and its sources, the person in question does not meet the notability guidelines in question: the person is not (1) cited by 3rd party sources other than websites that repeat his bio as an official founder of Samuel Adams beer (2) known for originating a new concept [see point #1] (3) become a significant monument, etc. (4) He is not cited as by peers and 3rd party sources for the work that is well-known or significant. The article was written by a blocked user and could primarily serve the purpose of self promotion as defined in WP:NOTADVERT. P3D7AQ09M6 (talk)

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Food and drink, Video games, Entertainment, Games, California, Massachusetts, and New York. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 04:04, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. This is just a CV. No notability. ApLundell (talk) 05:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If deleted Harry Rubin (virologist) should be moved to the base name since Harry Rubin redirects here.--67.70.101.117 (talk) 23:48, 20 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Folks, My apologies, I actually meant to nominate Harry Rubin (virologist) Late night editing got the best of me. Upon a 2nd look at this article in particular, I found new reputable secondary sources to that show indeed this Harry Rubin was indeed a Samuel Adams co-founder. I'm closing going to close this deletion nomination in favor of doing some work to improve the article itself. P3D7AQ09M6 (talk) 04:28, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe delete both of them.

Being a minor, behind-the-scenes partner of a business does not make someone notable.

ApLundell (talk) 05:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In the spirit of WP:GD I'm going to suggest that we pursue a constructive alternative such as improving or cleaning up the article. Two main reasons (1) Being one of the Samuel Adams founders both within the beverage field and just generally is definitely a major contribution. It looks he was not the frontman, but, indeed, he's been recognized by multiple secondary sources as being a founder and his involvement in various beverage investments is notable enough to be topic of headlines. As you probably know, media outlets have full control over headlines, which means that these media outlets viewed his involvement as "the story". On a more basic level, Samuel Adams is also billion dollar major conglomerate, it's widely recognized, and is part of the American social milieu (2) I digged into other secondary sources and there's quite a few other significant achievements such as being one of the people who started GT Interactive, which launched DOOM (a major video game) (3) This nomination was a careless mistake on my part so it's kind of a fluke nomination. My apologies again to all for that bonehead error and for wasting folks time reviewing this!

re: Harry Rubin (virologist) Even though I intended to nominate it, I also now lean towards keeping it. Mostly because his achievements within his specific domain are quite significant.

If we deny this deletion nomination, I can take an action item to improve both pages.P3D7AQ09M6 (talk) 22:18, 21 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: See also AFD'ed C. M. Rubin, his partner. IgelRM (talk) 08:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. We need to hear from more editors as the nominator states they didn't mean to nominate this article (so a withdrawal of sorts) but an editor is arguing for deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:05, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Assuming this is for Harry M. Rubin? Solid keep ... Sam Adams founding is notable + impact in AAA game studios with solid set of citations. Recommend the Harry Rubin (virologist) AFD be posted separately? John.mark1956 (talk) 03:30, 28 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable and written like a resume. Delete. Go4thProsper (talk) 22:58, 29 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for the reasons I described above. As Liz mentioned above, I think withdrawing this nomination also makes sense. P3D7AQ09M6 (talk) 18:34, 30 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:44, 3 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As an investor in the IPO of Boston Beer Company in December of 1995, I recall that in the final offering prospectus filed with the SEC, Harry M. Rubin was listed as one of the largest owners of the company. Hence, he had to be one of the significant original partners and not a minor behind-the-scenes partner as queried in the 21 July comment above. I did not retain the SEC offering prospectus, but it can be requested from the SEC from their archives. Pete S Williams (talk) 05:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not seeing sources that rise to the level of the GNG. Which, given the bio, shocks me more than a bit. Hobit (talk) 18:20, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.