Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Georgi Kakhelishvili

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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 15:54, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Georgi Kakhelishvili

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested on the grounds that the Umaglesi Liga may be professional. While there is undoubtedly some degree of professionalism in the league, claims that the league is fully pro are not supported by reliable sources. Sir Sputnik (talk) 04:19, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Sir Sputnik (talk) 04:19, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 10:14, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Where's the evidence that Umaglesi Liga isn't fully professional. Relatively large stadiums, good-sized crowds, good standing in Europe that puts it in line with leagues that are fully professional. As this player has played for years in this league, the deletion hinges entirely on Umaglesi Liga not being fully professional. So where's the evidence? Nfitz (talk) 14:33, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The WP:BURDEN is on you to prove notability, not for us to dis-prove notability. Giant Snowman 15:20, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously ... but surely this debate has happened before, and we wouldn't have a bunch of people trying to delete articles without having looked into the issue before. So how about providing a useful answer instead of just wasting peoples time by obfuscating. Nfitz (talk) 21:11, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How it generally works is, articles about players in xyz league are sent to AfD, sources appear to confirm the league's status and the articles are kept, or they don't and they aren't. Of course, if this particular player has had a very long career, there is a good chance he could meet the general notability guideline. But there is no evidence of that. C 679 09:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Fails WP:GNG, he has not received significant media coverage and fails WP:NFOOTBALL too. JMHamo (talk) 14:53, 26 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Fails WP:NFOOTY as has not played in a fully professional league nor played senior international football. No indication of GNG pass based on any other activities within or outside football. @Nfitz: - as has been pointed out to you in previous AfDs recently, no one is saying the FPL listing is faultless, but it is the current agreed consensus. If you have evidence that the Umaglesi League is FULLY professional, please present it at the WT:FOOTY page for discussion. If it is indicative of FPL status, then the listing can be updated and any previously deleted articles revived however, a specific player AfD is not the place for such a discussion. Fenix down (talk) 11:50, 29 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Commment @Fenix down: First though, I wanted to read where this consensus has been agreed. I can't find reference to where this consensus has been agreed upon. Presumably if we've got to point we are deleting players, a consensus has been reached. Where is discussion? It's all I'm asking at this point. No pointing rehashing if it's all well sorted. I'm no expert on Georgian soccer ... and it's not like Uruguay which is always on TV. Nfitz (talk) 02:05, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The consensus is WP:FPL. As the Georgian League is not on there it is right to state that there is no consensus that it is fully pro, therefore the only assumption available to editors at the moment is that it is not. If you feel that it is fully pro, by all means dig out some sources and start a discussion at the project page, GS or another admin can restore any deleted Georgian footballer article if it is added to the list of FPLs. Fenix down (talk) 08:28, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment the lack of discussion or mention at that page, is not consensus. It simply is the lack of previous consideration. While I doubt this league is fully professional, I don't see any need to misrepresent that consensus exists! Nfitz (talk) 00:16, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - this article is about a footballer that hasn't played in a fully pro league or represented his country at senior level, which means it fails WP:NFOOTY. Also fails WP:GNG as he hasn't been the subject of significant coverage in reliable sources. Mentoz (talk) 21:00, 31 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – no evidence of sufficient notability. C 679 09:11, 2 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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