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Speedy deletion nomination of University Art Museums and Galleries of New York State

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Speedy deletion nomination of University art museums and galleries list

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Art history programs

Hi, I think your work on University art museums and galleries in New York was a very useful idea. I think an list could be created for every state, but should be considered a more comprehensive list of university museums and art galleries so as to include all the other great museums (science, archaeology, natural history, geology, etc.) that I know exist around the country.

About https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AgQRmvZJxL9zdFQyZ3FyT0hMTDlURUtFQVFtZkxLaWc#gid=0 :

My opinion is that a Wikipedia list works best if it does not have things that change a lot or require frequent updates. Therefore, some of the columns in your spreadsheet would be extremely time-consuming to keep up to date. Also, I think much of the information you are proposing to collect is not really of interest to the general public but might be to someone hoping to work or study at an art program at a university. I think this should be created for a private website, not for Wikipedia.

I am probably going to removed the category tag Category:University art museums and galleries in New York from most of the universities and colleges that are currently tagged. The category should really be put on articles about specific art museums and art galleries, not the entire institution. Schools are already linked through the List of university art museums and galleries in New York State.

Thank you so much for creating the original list and for continuing to work on your project. Jllm06 (talk) 18:28, 14 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

May 2014

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to University art museums and galleries. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you.

Nomination of List of women art historians for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article List of women art historians is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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I understand your concern, but this is the second time I have had an experience like this on Wikipedia. Incidentally, in case you did not know, Wikipedia has a reputation for being very male. You want to encourage people like me, not discourage me and shut my projects down. I know how to find the gaps and begin to fix them. The list may not be perfect yet, but it is important, and it is an important contribution.

(Vhfs (talk) 16:28, 19 May 2014 (UTC))[reply]

I just wanted to offer—as a female editor with interests aligned with your own—an invite to hook up with the community that is already here and contributing productively on these issues. For example, WikiProject: Women Artists is doing great work and has an extensive worklist (articles to create) that a lot of these names might be added to. I also run an edit-a-thon series focused on improving coverage of west coast art history, and we've built several pages for female artists, art historians and patrons—so any geographically appropriate names are welcome on our art historians worklist. There is undoubtedly a massive gender (and age) gap in terms of the Wikipedia editor base, but everyone who participates is a volunteer who is building their knowledge of the policies as they go. More often than not, the more experienced editors are trying to help you learn the policies so you can contribute productively and get all of your specialized information into the free encyclopedia in the right way. List pages and those big organizational projects are harder to tackle until you know those editorial guidelines inside and out, but there are other ways to make an impact. It can be a frustrating system to learn but, by and large, the more experienced editors—male and female—want to help you navigate it productively. I hope you won't be discouraged from continuing to contribute. StaceyEOB (talk) 15:30, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

StaceyEOB Thank you for your note, but have you seen this page? It is ridiculous. Totally ridiculous.

(Vhfs (talk) 01:58, 24 May 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Vhfs, I'd suggest you stop lambasting editors especially when you do so based on their gender: it's offensive and not welcome here in any way shape or form. New articles are created and deleted every day, and you trying to make this article the front lines of systemic anti-female bias is a weak attempt and obvious POV pushing - as you noted, there aren't any books or reliable source lists ABOUT women art historians, and yet you want to create the first such list here - that's original research and not what Wikipedia is for. If you see football lists that are similarly unsourced or Original research let me know and I will nominate to delete them too. But knock off the personal attacks - it's immature - especially attacks on those eds who have actually done work to save that article from deletion - talk about kicking a gift horse in the mouth! More generally, the existence of 'list of female X' does not imply that one can create the 'list of female Y' - WP:LISTN is the guiding policy I believe. You're obviously new here so people are cutting you slack, but you should not barge into a community and start blasting the people and process before you understand the basics.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 11:47, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Women art historians

I realize you may not be particularly receptive to any comments I might make, in part due to my recent !vote on the AfD, but please hear me (or read me) out. I'd like to encourage you to start creating individual articles for notable members of the list - then, even if the page is eventually deleted, you'll have a framework to rebuild it on. G S Palmer (talk) 15:13, 23 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"MOFOS" means "motherfuckers" where I'm from. Please tell me you have an alternate meaning for it, and please see WP:NPA. Drmies (talk) 14:16, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Where I am from it means the same thing. It is not directed at you. I am on vacation. I really like your essay, but like I said, I am much more interested in the end of the story. (Vhfs (talk) 14:46, 24 May 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Well, enjoy your vacation, but whether it's directed at me or not, it's directed at someone, and that makes it a personal attack. Please don't repeat it and if you want to show some good faith, vacation or not, you can remove it or strike it (by placing <s>...</s> around it. Drmies (talk) 15:59, 24 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

MoFoS

I was thinking, this could become an acronym for Wikipedia. WP:MOFOS. Any idea what it could be used for? "Museums of Fine Art Original Sources"? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.8.110 (talk) 01:24, 25 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it so hard to make numbered tables?

{{help me}}

(Vhfs (talk) 22:38, 25 May 2014 (UTC))[reply]

Could you be more specific? (In case this helps, there is a very long, detailed page about making tables on Wikipedia at Help:Table.) — SamX‧☎‧✎‧S 00:20, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I was there. Thank you. I guess what I want is an unsortable numbered column, that changes only for new entries. Just like the # for a list, but one that is not attached to any specific row. It will help me to count things.

For example, I have a list of professors that is sortable by various characteristics, and I want to be able to sort them, say by gender, and then quickly make a count by checking the unsortable numbered row. The problem is that I want to put the numbers in while I am building the list, so theoretically, if the numbers do not adjust automatically with every entry, I will have to re-enter all the numbers every time I change the list. Do you see what I mean? The tentative list is in my sandbox.

(Vhfs (talk) 00:50, 26 May 2014 (UTC))[reply]

To the best of my knowledge, that isn't possible using Wikimedia software. You could use an ordered list, but they have a number of layout issues, and can be difficult to read. However, other articles don't use that format and it isn't really necessary (the average person looking at the article probably isn't trying to find out how many people are listed), so it probably isn't something to worry about. An easier and more practical approach would be to create a category of female art historians, which would automatically display at the top how many were listed. For more information about this, you could contact me on my talk page or take a look at Help:Category. Best wishes, — SamX‧☎‧

Don't you think it is funny that they cannot do that? Apparently someone asked for it way back in 2009, so I don't know what is going on. It would be an incredibly useful feature. But also one that could be easily abused, which is perhaps why it doesn't exist. And I don't know what they average person looking at the article is interested in really, there are other people out there in the world, like me, I am sure, who like to count things...I am not worried about it, it would just make my list more useful and efficient. The category idea however, is a very good one...do you mean at the top of the article, or at the top of the table? Can you possibly show me an example so I can look at the code?

Also, I know about the references thing, I have no idea why they keep appearing at the top. The code itself is below the table. This is the second time I have had this problem.

Anyway, thank you for your help ☎‧✎!

Ha haaaaa I do not know what happened there, but I am going to leave it because it is kind of funny.

(Vhfs (talk) 13:04, 26 May 2014 (UTC))[reply]

✎‧S 01:02, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Another thing to keep in mind is that stuff such as footnotes, references and links to other websites should usually go below the rest of the content, which would include the list itself (except in categories). — SamX‧☎‧✎‧S 01:13, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. All that you have to do is link to the category at very the bottom of the article about the subject, professor or whatever you are writing about (eg. add the text [[Category:Canadian art historians]]). This means that the page should already exist, or you could use WP:RS to reference the article. Keep in mind that there is a Wikipedia policy that all unreferenced biographies of living persons may be deleted after a week if no references have been added. The category page already exists, so you don't have to create it. Wikipedia:Annotated article is a decent introduction to the standard layout of an article. However, you should replace the bullet list of references with the code {{reflist}} if you have <ref> tags in the body of the article. — SamX‧☎‧✎‧S 13:50, 26 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Canvassing

Hi VHFS. I just took a look at your twitter feed (very funny stuff, though also sometimes offensive...) and realizing that you are a new editor I want to point out that several of your tweets there esp w.r.t. to the AFD discussion were violations of the policy on canvassing (see Wikipedia:Canvassing#Stealth_canvassing). Specifically, you should not use off-wiki means, such as twitter, email, facebook, etc to rally people to your side in a formal discussion that you are involved in, such as "Hey guys, my article has been put up for deletion, can you come and stop this ridiculousness?" Indeed, during the discussion, several first-time accounts came and !voted, which is usually a sign of canvassing. It's not to say that you shouldn't use twitter to critique wikipedia, indeed many people do this extensively, it's more specifically that you shouldn't use twitter to bring supporters to your side in the middle of a contentious debate - say an article for deletion discussion. Otoh, pointing out problems more generally with Wikipedia, or encouraging your twitter followers to help improve an article for example is not considered canvassing.--Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 22:48, 27 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh. Sorry. I didn't know that obviously. Thank you. Obi-Wan Kenobi (Vhfs (talk) 13:11, 28 May 2014 (UTC))[reply]

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Greetings

Hi User:Vhfs. I'm a Wikipedian in Residence in New York with the Metropolitan New York Library Council. I noticed that your article, Draft:University art museums and galleries was declined. I think that this article is relevant but needs a little tweaking before it is published, particularly in the section headings, which are maybe a little too specific, and in the references. It would help to have several references in each section to back up the content. It might also be good to add to this article a list of University art museum and galleries or else create a new List article - i.e. something like this List of halls and walks of fame. I could be interested in working on this article. Please write on my talk page to contact me further. OR drohowa (talk) 14:19, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Good Work

Hi. Just to thank you for jumping through the hoops of the creation process for University art museums and galleries - it's clearly going to be a useful addition to Wikipedia. I have a request, when you get time. Please could you expand the section on "Vulnerability in times of crisis". I believe there was a case of deaccessioning at Brandeis University, and I'm sure there have been others. I feel it's important to address this as widely as possible. Thanks in advance for your help. RomanSpa (talk) 07:51, 19 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hi RomanSpa, Thank you for the encouragement. Your point is good, the only reason we left it out is because Brandeis of course is not the only case, there are many many others...and also it is covered in the other excellent article, which we list at the end Effects of the Great Recession on museums. If you still think it deserves a line, I encourage you to go ahead and add it. I would do it myself but I am extremely busy at the moment.

Thank you again in any case! (13:45, 27 June 2014 (UTC))

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