User talk:Vahagn Petrosyan

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Barev Vahagn, yes WikiProject Armenia-its em, yete ognutyan kam inch vor harts unes Wikipediai veraberyal, kashxatem ognel. VartanM 06:17, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

re: պ, տ, կ in Armenian

Hello Vahagn, thank you for your message. Actually, պ, տ, կ, ծ, ճ are all ejective sounds in eastern Armenian. Can you show me text that shows otherwise? You can indeed hear the ejective when an eastern Armenian speaks the language (as opposed to Western Armenian which does not contain them). (For example, how else do you think that փ and պ are differentiated in eastern Armenian?) Regards, Serouj (talk) 21:30, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

փ = [pʰ] is the aspirated version of պ = [p]. Like, say, ց = [t͡sʰ] is the aspirated version of ծ = [t͡s], etc. Listen to this newscast, for example. You won't hear ejective sounds like p’. As concerns a text, this one here says (on page 7) "...throughout this study I concentrate on Standard Eastern Armenian ... primarily because it distinguishes in pronunciation the three consonant series (voiced, voiceless and voiceless aspirated)...". Besides, as a native speaker of Eastern Armenian and Russian I can say that the pronunciation of պ, տ, կ and п, т, к does not differ at all. And you can find plenty of sources confirming that in Russian those are voiceless plosives. I think the reason you suppose Eastern Armenian has ejectives is that Western Armenian does not have voiceless plosives at all and when you hear them in our speech you think those are ejectives, perhaps? --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 21:58, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I think your assumption regarding my reasoning is correct. It's good that Russian has the same 3 sounds. So I guess you can confirm this is the case for ծ and ճ? In Western Armenian, only voiceless aspirated and voiced exist, you are correct... Serouj (talk) 22:48, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

I can confirm that ծ and ճ are not ejectives but Voiceless alveolar affricate and Voiceless postalveolar affricate respectively. --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 23:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

re: Pronunciation of ռ in Western Armenian

In practice there is no distinction between ր and ռ in Western Armenian (though an attempt is made by teachers of the language to "roll" the ռ, no one in practice does this). It is only Eastern Armenians from Iran who say ր quite distinctly than ռ (they pronounce ր like "red" is pronounced in American English). I don't think Eastern Armenians from Armenia differentiate it much, if at all, and certainly not to the extent that EA speakers from Iran do. Serouj (talk) 22:51, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for clarification. --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 23:15, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Georgian alphabet

Hi Vahagn. Because you are one of the editor of "Georgian alphabet", pleas look Russian topic about alphabet. There is a lot of Reliable sources about Mesrop Mashtots supplied the Georgian alphabet. Divot (talk) 09:13, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't know the issue well enough to weigh in. I don't think I can help.--Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 10:54, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

New section

Շնորհակալ եմ ջերմ խոսքերի համար, հարգելի Վահագն: Հարգանքներով:--Marshal Bagramyan (talk) 00:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Չարժի. Keep up the good work. --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 02:57, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Wiktionary

belated thanks for your kind invitation. I will resume using my account when making edits to wikt:, and I'll see where that takes me. Regards, --dab (𒁳) 09:57, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm very glad to hear that. You could warm up by fulfilling requests at wikt:Category:Entries which need Cuneiform script and wikt:Category:Entries which need Old Persian Cuneiform script. Also, given your track record of dealing with nationalism, perhaps you could weigh in in our fierce vote/battle, where we decide whether to treat Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian as separate languages or one Serbo-Croatian (the vote ends August 5). --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 17:44, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I think I will take it slow with joining the fray for now. When I joined Wikipedia back in 2004, I also avoided all conflict at first, trying to get the feel of the place, and made it a habit to only pursue a dispute when I was convinced I was right from the point of view of the project goals, not from my own point of view.

I do not have intimate knowledge of wiktionary's project goals. I feel that the project suffers from lamentable structural defects because there was not enough expertise around when it was shaped, and now it cannot make up its mind what it wants to be. But this isn't my battle. I see the Serbo-Croatian dispute (which I admit was going to come up anyway) as reflecting deeper structural flaws.

briefly, the basic flaw is the underlying idea, born from an undue focus on English in a project that was going to be vastly multilingual, that there should be a page per spelling (i.e., Unicode strings), as opposed to a page per lexeme. This is absurd, of course, and you end up with very large pages combining completely unrelated items, while you have a single item scattered over numerous stub pages. You also end up with a virtual duplication of entire languages that are written in more than one alphabet, as in the case of Serbian. Not to mention the huge mess you will have with any historical language that doesn't have fixed orthography. Sumero-Akkadian is extreme in this respect, but you don't need to look as far. Already compiling a dictionary of Middle French or Middle English based on a "one page per spelling" basis is a nighmare to build, and will also be a nightmare to peruse.

From where the project is now, this is going to be a extremely difficult to fix even if it is ever decided it should be fixed.

if I was paid a month's salary and asked to "please fix it", I would probably opt for something like ISO-639 namespaces. Say, wikt:be would be the main page about the English verb (or alternatively point to wikt:en:be, depending on how much wikt: wants to be an English dictionary "primarily"), a very large page discussing all aspects of this English lexeme and its history, with the Swedish verb at wikt:se:be. wikt:are otoh would itself be a disambiguation page and not contain any discussion of the English word "to be" but point to wikt:en:be directly, besides pointing to other pages on other lexemes. This is just off the top of my head, but it points to what I consider the inescapable conclusion that wiktionary needs to move from being spelling based (Unicode string based) to being lexeme based like any reasonable dictionary.

Incidentially, relying on ISO-639 would result in treating sr (Serbian) and hr (Croatian) as separate by default, simply because endorsing ISO seems to be the most neutral approach. But merging entries on sr and hr lexemes would impose itself on a case-by-case basis, just like most enm (Middle English) entries could reasonably be merged into the main en entries. I base this on my experience at Wikipedia in dealing with very large amounts of of information very heteregenous in scope and detail. Say, as long as we merely mention that been is the Middle English predecessor of to be, wikt:enm:been can simply redirect to wikt:en:be. But if a Middle English scholar should begin to introduce an extensive treatment of the verb in Middle English, the wikt:enm:been article could then be {{split}} off as a standalone entry. The Germanic etymology would be at wikt:gem:bēō to be discussed centrally, so it can be linked from all entries on Germanic cognates. A full dictionary of Indo-European etymology could be placed under the wikt:ine: namespace without interfering in any way with the main namespace, and without the need to resort to awkward "Appendix:" solutions. --dab (𒁳) 11:16, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Duduk page changes

Certain people have changed [1] the duduk page and put Turkish origins, and even removed other visual examples of Gasparyan's links above. Also, the right side where it said "Traditional Armenian Instrument" is removed and added Turkish info. Is there anyway you can help out? They have locked the page.

Can you help out on the Duduk page? They keep reverting Eupator and my edits back to what it was before. They remove the Armenian info and put Turkish. Please help out here. Everybody knows, even non-Armenians that Duduk is Armenian. Specially from the 2000 movie Gladiator by Gasparyan. Monlonet (talk) 18:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

I am very sorry I can’t help. I’m not trained in dolma/duduk wars. --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 09:11, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

Title of "Raffi (poet)" page

I think "Raffi (novelist)" would be best. Diranakir (talk) 18:55, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I too think "Raffi (poet)" is inappropriate. When you think of Raffi, you think of his novels (Խենթը, Կայծեր, Դավիթ Բեկ, Սամվել), not poems. I don't edit Wikipedia very often though and I'm not sure about naming conventions. Raffi (novelist), Raffi (writer), Raffi (author)? --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 19:14, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

I'm glad you agree. Definitely it's his novels. I'm not sure about naming conventions either. I think I'll wait a few days and see if I get any other feedback, then I'll do something. Thanks. Diranakir (talk) 00:45, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Many Thanks

		The Original Barnstar
		For fixing my garbled misinformation in Western Armenian language and Eastern Armenian language article. In ictu oculi (talk)

{{Lang-el}}

Hello! Yes, "el" is for Modern Greek, but what links to is just plain "Greek language". And since Artabanes is not specifically "ancient" Greek, but readable and understandable in Greek in general, it is logical IMO to link to the language as a whole. Distinguishing between the periods of the language makes sense only when a specific form is present in only one of them... Constantine ✍ 01:47, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Vahagn Jaan

It seems there is an aversion to even mentioning the very real Iranic nature of the Armenian language - even as a theory. As you can see from the references provided, several notable, unbiased, Western scholars of the Armenian languages concur. I'm not saying it is definitive, but it is absolutely a reasonable hypothesis and should be mentioned with other less applicable theories such as a dubious link to Greek which you seem to want to highlight.

Let's not politicize science and linguistics. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyisnotbad (talk • contribs) 17:38, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Please, show me one post-1900 author claiming Armenian is an Iranian language. The link to Winfred P. Lehman's work is not Winfred Lehman's work: it's an English translation of Hubschmann's 1875 work, where he proves Armenian is not an Iranian language. The hypothesis that Armenian is an Iranian language, held before 1875, is analogous to Flat Earth model; it should be mentioned in the article treating the history of Armenian linguistics. --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 18:01, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Anahit

Hi, I have seen that you participated in editing Anahit article. I had written some questions to discuss on the discuassion page of the article. I will be thankful for your opinion published there. Thank you in advance, --Zara-arush (talk) 17:20, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

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Wiktionary

Crossposted to User_talk:Angr.

I am posting this to you as a wiktionary admin. Wiktionary, where apparently the trolls still hold the admin buttons. Or I am at a loss to explain this [3], and after I restored the vandalised page a block of my account for "Disruptive edits: multiple (dozens, hundred or thousands of edits)". I do not know if this guy was on drugs when he blocked me, or if he genuinely thinks that providing academic literature to discuss the etymology of a word counts as "disruptive" editing.

Apparently an enfant terrible even for wiktionary standards, but I can only hope that this will now be sufficient to get this joker de-adminned in a hurry. We both know he wouldn't last a day on en.wiki with this behaviour.

regards, --dab (𒁳) 09:06, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Gloves was of course wrong to block you, but his behaviour in this case was not typical of him. Usually he is well-wishing and considerate. Oh, and he's bipolar (not joking). Take that into account. --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 10:02, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

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Instead getting offended and making unnecessary comments such as "thank you for wasting my time", you could have simply added the sources beforehand. I hope you know that this is an encyclopedia where every statement needs to be sourced. --Երևանցի ^talk 22:04, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

My response was a response to your response. You should have asked me for sources on my talk page and not reverted me. --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 22:07, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

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Aram Khachaturian Armenian pronunciation

Would this be correct: Armenian pronunciation: [ɑɾɑm χɑtʃʰɑtɾjɑn] ? If necessary, can you please make the necessary changes? --Երևանցի ^talk 03:18, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Use Armenian pronunciation: [ɑˈɾɑm χɑt͡ʃʰɑt(ə)ɾˈjɑn]. --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 07:20, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! --Երևանցի ^talk 18:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

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Zvartnots

Flights you mentioning are connecting via TBS airport on Monday and Saturday. Note that Armenia Aircompany will have direct flights which will run on Tuesdays and Fridays as per official announcement of airline on their FB page. For your information: Sometimes airline operate flights with intermediate stop, example: Emirates operates flights to Malta via Larnaca or flights to New York via Milan. Wappy2008 (talk) 17:26, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

There are no direct Yerevan–Prague tickets available on their armeniafly.com website. I would not put much faith in their "official" announcements. Armenia Aircompany is not a serious enterprise. It has backtracked on many of its official announcements. --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 05:03, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

@Wappy2008: For your information, I called the company today. They have cancelled the direct flights to Prague due to "technical" issues. I am removing the destination from the article. --Vahagn Petrosyan (talk) 06:56, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Regarding pronunciation

Good morning, you may be wondering what on earth I was doing with my 'vandalism' edits in Zvartnots International Airport. According evidence in H:IPA#Affricates and double articulation, it is not recommended to put tie bars due to encoding issues. Also, not everyone will know the dialectical differences between Eastern and Western Armenian. Abuse me if you still need to challenge this. Shat shnorhakalutyun! — AWESOME meeos ！ * ([ˈjæb.ə ət məɪ])) 23:59, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

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