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DYK for Nellie Weekes
On 21 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Nellie Weekes, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Nellie Weekes ran for public office even before women received the right to vote in Barbados? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Nellie Weekes. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Nellie Weekes), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
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Timeline of Cherokee history
@SusunW and Ipigott: I was asked to take a look at Timeline of Cherokee history and see if I could improve the article with more information and inline citations. I have found very good resources for citations that can be added very easily to the timeline. My question is how best to add these citations? Do I add them to each line specifically or is there a more proper way, in your opinion, to use citations for multiple lines if those lines can be cited within the same source? Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:18, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska I am old school. If multiple sentences in a row come from the same source on the same page, I cite once at the end of that section. If the page changes, the source needs to reflect that change. Citing to more than 1 or 2 pages in a single citation makes it difficult for someone to consult the ref and find the context. To me it is visually harder to read (and somewhat distracting) if every sentence is cited and the source keeps repeating. SusunW (talk) 14:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- @SusunW: Namaste(I bow to the divine inside you)!! Thank you so much. This is the way I typically cite sources but the confirmation means a lot.Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska The article provides a detailed timeline based on a number of sources given at the end but in the absence of inline referencing, it is difficult to see where the individual details originated. If you are able to add further details, inline sources would be useful. If you simply want to confirm the information already presented, then I think it might be a good idea to examine all the existing sources and decide on a strategy for improving the inline referencing in general. The main contributor, Natty4bumpo, has specialized on the Cherokee and may be interested in collaboration.--Ipigott (talk) 14:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Exactly Ipigott my comments were indeed assuming we were speaking of in-line citations. It is frustrating to me not to be able to confirm and get context from a source, which is what happens if the references are not given in-line. Simply listing a bibliography is no more helpful than giving a page range of 20 pages. SusunW (talk) 14:56, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- It's going to take considerable time and effort to provide inline refs to over 53 kB of one-line items but if Tsistunagiska is intent on working on it, it would represent a significant and useful improvement. An excellent example of what can be achieved is Timeline of First Nations history with over 250 inline refs and lots of detailed explanations.--Ipigott (talk) 15:33, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- @SusunW, Ipigott, and Natty4bumpo: I welcome collaborating with anyone, especially the original contributors. The timeline looks amazing as it is if we can just get those references up in the article I believe we can achieve the same results as found in the timeline for the First Nations. Yes, it will take time and a considerable effort but it is worth it to me, both personally and from an educational standpoint.Tsistunagiska (talk) 16:00, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Ipigott: I changed the timeline over to the wikitable form. Does it look ok to you?Tsistunagiska (talk) 20:35, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska: You're becoming quite an expert in formatting too, I see. Well done! Now just the refs, a few images here and there and we'll be able to go for FL (LoL). Do you think you'll be able to provide an in-line ref for each item on the basis of the sources you have? If you can't access all those listed in the article, I think Susun may be able to help.--Ipigott (talk) 07:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Ipigott: I changed the timeline over to the wikitable form. Does it look ok to you?Tsistunagiska (talk) 20:35, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
- @SusunW, Ipigott, and Natty4bumpo: I welcome collaborating with anyone, especially the original contributors. The timeline looks amazing as it is if we can just get those references up in the article I believe we can achieve the same results as found in the timeline for the First Nations. Yes, it will take time and a considerable effort but it is worth it to me, both personally and from an educational standpoint.Tsistunagiska (talk) 16:00, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- It's going to take considerable time and effort to provide inline refs to over 53 kB of one-line items but if Tsistunagiska is intent on working on it, it would represent a significant and useful improvement. An excellent example of what can be achieved is Timeline of First Nations history with over 250 inline refs and lots of detailed explanations.--Ipigott (talk) 15:33, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Exactly Ipigott my comments were indeed assuming we were speaking of in-line citations. It is frustrating to me not to be able to confirm and get context from a source, which is what happens if the references are not given in-line. Simply listing a bibliography is no more helpful than giving a page range of 20 pages. SusunW (talk) 14:56, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska The article provides a detailed timeline based on a number of sources given at the end but in the absence of inline referencing, it is difficult to see where the individual details originated. If you are able to add further details, inline sources would be useful. If you simply want to confirm the information already presented, then I think it might be a good idea to examine all the existing sources and decide on a strategy for improving the inline referencing in general. The main contributor, Natty4bumpo, has specialized on the Cherokee and may be interested in collaboration.--Ipigott (talk) 14:42, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- @SusunW: Namaste(I bow to the divine inside you)!! Thank you so much. This is the way I typically cite sources but the confirmation means a lot.Tsistunagiska (talk) 14:36, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska I am old school. If multiple sentences in a row come from the same source on the same page, I cite once at the end of that section. If the page changes, the source needs to reflect that change. Citing to more than 1 or 2 pages in a single citation makes it difficult for someone to consult the ref and find the context. To me it is visually harder to read (and somewhat distracting) if every sentence is cited and the source keeps repeating. SusunW (talk) 14:29, 21 September 2020 (UTC)
@Ipigott: You are so silly but thank you for noticing my improvements. I'll try to in-line reference using what, I assume, Natty4bumpo provided as sources but if I run into any issues I will most definitely utilize SusunW's assistance. She has all the connections and rocks at it! I think we can pull some images from other articles to use and, like in the Five Nations article, we can utilize map locations for some mentioned.Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:30, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Just let me know if you need me and I'll try. Otherwise, I am working on Afro-Latina writers. SusunW (talk) 13:38, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- @SusunW and Ipigott: Most of the references cited are books. Some are accessible online while it appears others are not. What if we made that a bibliography without directly in-line citing the books and I find other sources to reference? That would further validate the information while also giving readers who want to dig deeper into the subject matter a list of books they can research.Tsistunagiska (talk) 15:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska: I thought this might be a problem. Can you let Susun know which ones you cannot find on the internet? She might be able to help you out. If not, maybe there are other sources which are accessible and document the same information. (I seem to be increasingly involved in all this - I rarely deal with anything on American history as I think my time is more usefully spent on articles where my language knowledge is helpful.) But I'm always happy to encourage an enthusiastic new user.--Ipigott (talk) 16:22, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Ipigott: I will get with Susun and let her know the ones I can't access. I hate overloading anyone else because we all have our projects we are working on. I may just take a look and see if I can find another source for the information first and then come back to the books. It's an excellent list and I am sure the information is in those books but if someone can't readily access it then it kind of defeats the purpose. I know it's not necessarily something you focus on but I do appreciate you taking the time and I value your insight and opinions.Tsistunagiska (talk) 16:43, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Search at archive.org and Hathitrust. They often have open access things that google doesn't pick up. Also in a google search put the title in "quote marks" and you will often find a pdf of a book that didn't show up in a regular search. SusunW (talk) 17:16, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Ipigott: I will get with Susun and let her know the ones I can't access. I hate overloading anyone else because we all have our projects we are working on. I may just take a look and see if I can find another source for the information first and then come back to the books. It's an excellent list and I am sure the information is in those books but if someone can't readily access it then it kind of defeats the purpose. I know it's not necessarily something you focus on but I do appreciate you taking the time and I value your insight and opinions.Tsistunagiska (talk) 16:43, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska: I thought this might be a problem. Can you let Susun know which ones you cannot find on the internet? She might be able to help you out. If not, maybe there are other sources which are accessible and document the same information. (I seem to be increasingly involved in all this - I rarely deal with anything on American history as I think my time is more usefully spent on articles where my language knowledge is helpful.) But I'm always happy to encourage an enthusiastic new user.--Ipigott (talk) 16:22, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- @SusunW and Ipigott: Most of the references cited are books. Some are accessible online while it appears others are not. What if we made that a bibliography without directly in-line citing the books and I find other sources to reference? That would further validate the information while also giving readers who want to dig deeper into the subject matter a list of books they can research.Tsistunagiska (talk) 15:57, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska: That seems to be excellent advice. One of the problems we Europeans have in accessing sites in the U.S. is that after legal restrictions were brought into play on personal information, many sites (including many of those accessible from Google) have simply forbidden access for "legal reasons". Time and time again, I try to access widely accessible American resources and am just refused. In the mid 1990s, I was one of the very first to launch a (multilingual) cultural news service on the internet under the European Community's Telematics for Libraries programme (in English, French, German and Italian) when the only non-governmental web sites were a pizzeria in California, a public library in South Bend, Indiana, and another public library in Helsinki, Finland. At the time, both South Bend and Helsinki claimed to be the first public library on the internet. I don't think we ever found out which one was really the first. See [1] and [2]. In those days, the web was open to all. I now understand what it is like to be in China or Turkey or North Korea. Anyway, one of my hobby horses is indiginous peoples. I've contributed quite a bit on the Innuit, in particular, Sami women. If you don't know about them, read about them here. Sorry to bore you both with such historical details but the open internet envisaged by my friends at CERN seems to be an increasingly difficult goal to achieve.--Ipigott (talk) 19:06, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- I love these details Ipigott. I learn. Many things accessible in the US aren't accessible here and vice versa. I learned when reviewing the GA on Swanson that a lot of links for the NYTimes that used to be open access are now behind paywalls. (One of the reasons I archive every link I possibly can). It's very frustrating and makes it harder than it has to be for people to educate themselves. SusunW (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Ipigott: I'm used to inaccessible and finding a way around it to accomplish a goal. I don't think I have ever been bored with learning details. I am all about details. Sometimes it seems like I ignore them but that's not the case. I am trying to find my niche and purpose for being here. There is a purpose but sometimes it can get a little cloudy. Definitely focused on Indigenous peoples with an emphasis on the American Indian. But I have a daughter and she's growing up. I want her to mature into a woman who is confident and knowledgeable. I want her to have every opportunity to prove herself knowing she has all the tools to help her and that great women came before her to pave the way for her success. Whether she chooses to live in the wild's of Alaska or become the CEO of a fortune 500 company in a major world city, she can look at a challenge and know that she has the ability and will be given a fair opportunity to display the knowledge she has obtained without the fear of being stigmatized or labeled unworthy because of her gender or where she is from. I know there are a lot of people who look at the work all of you do here and think it's so insignificant but it's not. Since coming here I have learned so much that I didn't know about specific people, groups and subjects. Yes, I have offered what I know, in some ways, but I feel the knowledge I have gained has far surpassed what I have offered. The amazing people I have met here and the contributions they have made far outweighs the heights I could expect to achieve. You just don't understand what I see and how breathless it leaves me; how in awe and enamored I am just to have found this place. This, meaning Wikipedia and the community, is Shangri-La to me. It's the golden city of El Dorado. Atlantis even.Tsistunagiska (talk) 19:49, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- I love these details Ipigott. I learn. Many things accessible in the US aren't accessible here and vice versa. I learned when reviewing the GA on Swanson that a lot of links for the NYTimes that used to be open access are now behind paywalls. (One of the reasons I archive every link I possibly can). It's very frustrating and makes it harder than it has to be for people to educate themselves. SusunW (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Your daughter, Wild Rose, is very lucky to have such a supportive mother. My own mother died unexpectedly when I was 13. While you were contributing, I was reminiscing:
- Thanks, Susun. It's a long, long time since I looked back into the history of the 1990s but I am pleased to see some (but not most) of it survives. I've also just found this which shows that we did indeed run a news service in German too. I remember my wife complaining about all the translation work I was doing in the evenings. Fortunately I was able to recruit some highly competent assistants but their news items seem to have disappeared. I also remember the German Yahoo listed our cultural news site as their top pick of the week sometime in 1996. As we're looking back at those innovative days, may I share with you my very first introduction to the internet. It was in 1994, shortly after I had moved from language technology to IT research for the library sector. A keen web addict in his early 20s explained the basics including the need for a password. He gave the example of the major U.S. computer firm with its three letter name followed by one, two, three. I adopted that solution as my own password for some time. (Don't tell!) Two months later I heard that the young man had died in a motocycling accident in Spain. If only he knew how much he had influenced my own involvement with the internet. He was so enthusiastic about it all. And to take things one step further, I can remember that my supervisor wrote in my staff report that year: "He has become far too involved in new fads. Now it's the internet". Someday, as our Wild Rose has intimated, it may be time to embark on our memoirs.....--Ipigott (talk) 20:15, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- We seem to be overloading you, with all kinds of stuff, but just to keep things in one place I though I should contribute this.--Ipigott (talk) 21:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- I love that piece, Ian. We had previously discussed your involvement with Systran because it is still IMO the best system to translate Dutch. (by the way, did I tell you that Yandex now translates Papiamento? A happy accident that I discovered that.) My own first introduction to computers was in university, and I purchased in 1980 my first home computer (an 8088). I am fairly certain that I "went live" on the internet in 1994, I know it was a year or two before we moved to Atlanta. You see, that it isn't that I am technology challenged completely, but definitely WP technology challenged. (You really should have an article about you, Ian). Tsistunagiska yes, I always say I learn far more from writing than I impart. SusunW (talk) 22:16, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- We seem to be overloading you, with all kinds of stuff, but just to keep things in one place I though I should contribute this.--Ipigott (talk) 21:08, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
- Both Google and Yandex are going from strength to strength, integrating the latest developments in language technology. Things are really progressing unbelievably fast now. Have you been following the GPT-3 developments? You should read this recent article from the Guardian. One of these days, robots will be creating articles on Wikipedia. Maybe they already are. Perhaps some of our more techie-oriented editors are actually applying GPT to Wikipedia. How could we tell? With search systems which can provide sensible answers to user queries along the lines of Microsoft's T-NLG, we may not even need Wikipedia in a year or two. And I've just seen things are moving forward even faster than I thought - [3]. Strange we have nothing of Turing-NLG or T-NLG. Our ubiquitous technology addicts seem to be slipping behind! For a start, Natural_language_processing needs urgent attention.--Ipigott (talk) 08:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Ipigott: I know that almost every article on the Cherokee Wiki was translated by bots. It would be incredible to have a bot create articles from nothing and get the context right. Cherokee is a very complex language. Right now I am trying to get fluent speakers from the Cherokee Nation to contribute to the project. Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:30, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, Ian, I think it's a good thing. Love that whole, why would I want to be omnipotent question. I've always thought that it's a one time shot, save the planet, including everything in/on it. Nothing more to do. I hope that IT won't take out the human elements, the beauty of creating is learning. If you can't learn you end up as ? Interesting, Tsistunagiska, who tells the bots which articles to translate? SusunW (talk) 13:42, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- @Ipigott: I know that almost every article on the Cherokee Wiki was translated by bots. It would be incredible to have a bot create articles from nothing and get the context right. Cherokee is a very complex language. Right now I am trying to get fluent speakers from the Cherokee Nation to contribute to the project. Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:30, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- Both Google and Yandex are going from strength to strength, integrating the latest developments in language technology. Things are really progressing unbelievably fast now. Have you been following the GPT-3 developments? You should read this recent article from the Guardian. One of these days, robots will be creating articles on Wikipedia. Maybe they already are. Perhaps some of our more techie-oriented editors are actually applying GPT to Wikipedia. How could we tell? With search systems which can provide sensible answers to user queries along the lines of Microsoft's T-NLG, we may not even need Wikipedia in a year or two. And I've just seen things are moving forward even faster than I thought - [3]. Strange we have nothing of Turing-NLG or T-NLG. Our ubiquitous technology addicts seem to be slipping behind! For a start, Natural_language_processing needs urgent attention.--Ipigott (talk) 08:08, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
@SusunW: Editors and Admins who helped create the Wiki I would assume. I know I have corrected quite a few items and a few others have as well but my ability is limited at this point due to my knowledge of the language. I am a beginner. I wish they had tried to get Cherokee speakers/writers before creating the articles because I think it's discouraged participation. Any fluent speaker/writer is going to see the enormous effort it is going to take to fix what the bots created. A couple of articles are very accurately written and when you look at the originator it appears that there was a fluent speaker editing at one point. I am sure they just got discouraged and no longer edit.Tsistunagiska (talk) 13:51, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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I like today's Main page, with the TFA on the anniversary day (of both dedication and our concert), a DYK, and a great photographer who didn't make it soon enough, Jürgen Schadeberg, - more on my talk, mostly about the tribute to Brian who shared his sources. - September flower early on this special occasion ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- Congratulations on your Triple Crown! Excellent work. SusunW (talk) 21:51, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
- In contrast: matching colours music to the Dahlias, "brute loud and secretly quiet". - The music (specifically "Meermenschen") was given to me for my birthday. A funeral in 2 days. Brute. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, it's been a hard year. I love the contrast of that photo, dark background with the orange suits and gleaming instruments. But even better, a saxophone. I love the sax. SusunW (talk) 14:29, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- Did you listen? It's in German, though, but I think you may get the idea, - 2016 when refugees came in little boats, and some were afraid of too many. Meermenschen = people from the sea sounds like mehr Menschen = more people. One line I like particularly is about "Much is said, and much of what is said is wrong." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I listened. Music is a universal to me, doesn't matter if you can understand the words. I really enjoyed it. Sorry for being so slow to answer, was trying to finish the complete rewrite of a bio on Alba Roballo. How could we have a stub that had so much wrong information and left out her literary career entirely? Uff. SusunW (talk) 22:42, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you today for your share to Margaret Macpherson Grant, "about a little-known 19th-century Scottish heiress and philanthropist, who inherited a vast fortune from her slave-owning planter uncle, and lived out her life with a female partner in the small town of Aberlour. ... drawn to the story of her life when researching an article about a church she founded - the source of her wealth, her lifestyle (which was very unconventional for the time), and the tragic circumstances surrounding her death at a young age were all very compelling subjects to research, and I think that many of our readers would be similarly interested." - just yes, thanks for interesting us! Flowers on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- I loved learning about her. Plus I met two fabulous editors, Girth Summit and Gog the Mild in the process! I can honestly say working on her, improved my life. The best gifts I have ever received in life are introductions to people. So glad you enjoyed her. Thanks for your encouragement. SusunW (talk) 13:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- I was just coming here to see whether you'd spotted her on today's main page, and I see this message to Gerda. I feel the same way, but couldn't have expressed it so beautifully. I am moved. :) GirthSummit (blether) 14:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- I truly mean that Girth Summit. Someday when life is in a different place and we can travel again, perhaps we'll meet in person. SusunW (talk) 14:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- SusunW, I'd like that very much indeed. I got together with Gog the Mild in person earlier in the year, to climb a hill and drink some wine - it was lovely to actually put a face to a username, and a voice to the text they type on the screen. GirthSummit (blether) 14:20, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- I truly mean that Girth Summit. Someday when life is in a different place and we can travel again, perhaps we'll meet in person. SusunW (talk) 14:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- I was just coming here to see whether you'd spotted her on today's main page, and I see this message to Gerda. I feel the same way, but couldn't have expressed it so beautifully. I am moved. :) GirthSummit (blether) 14:08, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- I loved learning about her. Plus I met two fabulous editors, Girth Summit and Gog the Mild in the process! I can honestly say working on her, improved my life. The best gifts I have ever received in life are introductions to people. So glad you enjoyed her. Thanks for your encouragement. SusunW (talk) 13:59, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you today for your share to Margaret Macpherson Grant, "about a little-known 19th-century Scottish heiress and philanthropist, who inherited a vast fortune from her slave-owning planter uncle, and lived out her life with a female partner in the small town of Aberlour. ... drawn to the story of her life when researching an article about a church she founded - the source of her wealth, her lifestyle (which was very unconventional for the time), and the tragic circumstances surrounding her death at a young age were all very compelling subjects to research, and I think that many of our readers would be similarly interested." - just yes, thanks for interesting us! Flowers on my talk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:53, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, I listened. Music is a universal to me, doesn't matter if you can understand the words. I really enjoyed it. Sorry for being so slow to answer, was trying to finish the complete rewrite of a bio on Alba Roballo. How could we have a stub that had so much wrong information and left out her literary career entirely? Uff. SusunW (talk) 22:42, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- Did you listen? It's in German, though, but I think you may get the idea, - 2016 when refugees came in little boats, and some were afraid of too many. Meermenschen = people from the sea sounds like mehr Menschen = more people. One line I like particularly is about "Much is said, and much of what is said is wrong." --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:36, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- Yes, it's been a hard year. I love the contrast of that photo, dark background with the orange suits and gleaming instruments. But even better, a saxophone. I love the sax. SusunW (talk) 14:29, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
- In contrast: matching colours music to the Dahlias, "brute loud and secretly quiet". - The music (specifically "Meermenschen") was given to me for my birthday. A funeral in 2 days. Brute. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:28, 15 September 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Beulah Ream Allen
On 28 September 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Beulah Ream Allen, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that American volunteer civilian physician Beulah Ream Allen (pictured, right) survived three Japanese internment camps in the Philippines during World War II? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Beulah Ream Allen. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Beulah Ream Allen), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
- Oh my! This is the most-viewed DYK I've ever nominated! Yoninah (talk) 14:04, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Bittersweet that a bunch of those views were probably about the photograph controversy rather than the actual woman who received the nations highest civilian honor, but as Oscar Wilde said, "There is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about". Congratulations! SusunW (talk) 14:13, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
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Tsistunagiska (talk) has given you a Dobos torte to enjoy! Seven layers of fun because you deserve it.
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Simply love you, chica. Tsistunagiska (talk) 17:09, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Gracias Tsistunagiska. I do try to be helpful and collegial. I figure in the uncertainty of 2020 we can all work towards being a bit kinder and supportive of our fellow editors. I honestly admire how quickly you have picked up the format and are making a difference. SusunW (talk) 17:21, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- SusunW A little recognition always goes a long way. You are so amazing and I am very honored to consider you a wikifriend. Thank you for your kind words.Tsistunagiska (talk) 17:28, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Gracias Tsistunagiska. I do try to be helpful and collegial. I figure in the uncertainty of 2020 we can all work towards being a bit kinder and supportive of our fellow editors. I honestly admire how quickly you have picked up the format and are making a difference. SusunW (talk) 17:21, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Honestly, don't worry about it. My fault for trying to go beyond the archive's description. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 7.5% of all FPs 02:56, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Harv errors, continued
I went through the remained of your created articles (see previous discussion), and good news, only Western Oregon Indian Termination Act has an error. Current refs 9 and 24. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 23:11, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
- Headbomb Thanks! I think I fixed it, but no clue. Way too many people have altered stuff and it is so hard to fix it without scanning every single ref again. I simply input the source again with an altered page. If that didn't fix it, let me know please. SusunW (talk) 05:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Alma Vessells John
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Your GA nomination of Alma Vessells John
The article Alma Vessells John you nominated as a good article has passed 
; see Talk:Alma Vessells John for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Mujinga -- Mujinga (talk) 14:43, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Socorro Sánchez del Rosario
On 10 October 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Socorro Sánchez del Rosario, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that a prominent obituary of Socorro Sánchez, the first feminist journalist in the Dominican Republic, criticized her as "manly" and too political? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Socorro Sánchez del Rosario. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Socorro Sánchez del Rosario), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Mary Dee you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Wasted Time R -- Wasted Time R (talk) 15:22, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Adelia Silva
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Adelia Silva you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Most Comfortable Chair -- The Most Comfortable Chair (talk) 12:23, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
The article Mary Dee you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Mary Dee for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Wasted Time R -- Wasted Time R (talk) 16:42, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Your thread has been archived
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Hi SusunW! The thread you created at the Wikipedia:Teahouse,
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The article Mary Dee you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Mary Dee for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Wasted Time R -- Wasted Time R (talk) 22:42, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Alba Roballo
The article Alba Roballo you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Alba Roballo for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of SerAntoniDeMiloni -- SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 17:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Adelia Silva
The article Adelia Silva you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:Adelia Silva for issues which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Most Comfortable Chair -- The Most Comfortable Chair (talk) 18:22, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
Your GA nomination of Adelia Silva
The article Adelia Silva you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Adelia Silva for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of The Most Comfortable Chair -- The Most Comfortable Chair (talk) 03:42, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Possible project?
Hi SusunW. I hope you're well! I'm currently trying to get one of my Women in Red Politics nominations, Vivienne Goonewardene, to GA status. Having enjoyed working with you on your GA Alba Roballo, I was wondering if this would be something you'd be interested in reviewing? If not, that's totally fine! Many thanks, SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 09:37, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- SerAntoniDeMiloni, I will be happy to review it. As I noted before, I'm pretty slow and have little skill with technical stuff, but given those limitations, we can give it a go. SusunW (talk) 14:21, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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| For improving over 60 articles to good article class, and writing and contributing to hundreds more on Women's History; in recognition of your continued dedication on the topic spanning over half a decade, I thank you for all the time and hard work you have put in to improve this encyclopedia. Like the women you have written about, you are also making a lot of positive difference in our world. — The Most Comfortable Chair 03:46, 19 October 2020 (UTC) |
I hope you don't have to deal with a lot of issues in the next storm. I live in an area that gets affected by storms and it gets annoying after a while. — The Most Comfortable Chair 03:46, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- The Most Comfortable Chair Thank you so much. What a lovely surprise to wake to. It was really enjoyable to work with you. I hope we make it through the rest of this rainy season without any more rain. Not likely, but one can always hope. Hope you stay safe from them as well. SusunW (talk) 13:51, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- No one deserves this more than you. This is an award that is truly warranted because of your years of hard work and dedication to improving and writing amazing articles and closing the gender gap here on Wikipedia. I am so happy you made it through the storms safely. You have been, and continue to be, in my thoughts. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 15:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- Tsistunagiska I am humbled, but sincerely thank you for your encouragement. Roof is finally fixed (been working on it between rains since June), but we won't know until the next rain/storm if its finally watertight. We can only hope and prepare for one more month. (That is of course, assuming that the tropical storm season ends as usual. This year, bets are off, since it started early, but fingers crossed.) SusunW (talk) 15:28, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- No one deserves this more than you. This is an award that is truly warranted because of your years of hard work and dedication to improving and writing amazing articles and closing the gender gap here on Wikipedia. I am so happy you made it through the storms safely. You have been, and continue to be, in my thoughts. --Tsistunagiska (talk) 15:01, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
Source help?
Hi SusunW, hope you're doing well. I've been asked to procure some sources here. I don't have newspaper.com access, and I see that you do; is this something you would be willing to help out with? No worries if not; I will ask at RX. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:03, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Vanamonde93 absolutely willing to help. What specifically do you need? SusunW (talk) 18:22, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Much appreciated! SandyGeorgia has listed a few titles at the FAC, in the second half of "library search"; but really I'm looking for anything mentioning the Leyla Express or the Johnny Express after January 1971, the later the better. There's a couple of entries mentioning "Jorge Ileuca", which would be particularly useful. Please invest only as much time as you feel you can spare, though, and there's no rush: I'm unlikely to work on this further today. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:33, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Vanamonde93 Let me know if you need more (I find nothing in this time frame about Jorge Ileuca: January 1972, pt. 1 and pt. 2; February 1972; February 1972; April 1972, pt. 1 and pt. 2; May 1972; June 1972; August 1972, pt 1, pt.2 pt. 3, pt. 4 and pt. 5; Sept 1972; December 1972; March 1973; April 1973; April 1973; May 1973; October 1973 pt 1a, 1b, pt 2; October 1973; November 1973; November 1973; January 1974 SusunW (talk) 20:09, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Wonderful; thank you so much. If it's okay, I may pester you for a few more as I work, but this should be a lot of them... Vanamonde (Talk) 22:50, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Vanamonde93 Not remotely a problem. I am glad to help. Just let me know if you need more. SusunW (talk) 04:34, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- SusunW, I know Vanamonde93 is reluctant to wear out our welcome and abuse of your time, but there is an error in our searches caused by me. Jorge Illueca has two ls, not one (Vanamonde was repeating MY error in this request to you). I have gotten now a subscription to newspapers.com, and can see that there are multiple mentions when searching "Jorge Illueca" "Johnny Express". But for reasons not yet understood, I can't make newspapers.com generate a clipping (I get so much gobbledy-gook laid over the clippings that I am unable to grab them, and don't know how to get all of that to go away so I can actually read and clip the relevant part). Might you be able to clip those sources that specifically mention Illueca with two ls? Thanks in advance, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- I am happy to try. SusunW (talk) 16:15, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Vanamonde93 and SandyGeorgia: a search with both "Jorge Illueca" "Johnny Express" returns 10 results. Many of them are duplicates of the AP release from The San Francisco Examiner on 31 December, i.e. (The Corpus Christi Caller-Times, The Quad City Times, The Santa Cruz Sentinel, The Miami News, The Racine Journal Times.) Others are: 25 December (Appears twice in the search); 26 December; 29 December. Advise if I can help further. SusunW (talk) 16:32, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- Bonus item January 1972 SusunW (talk) 16:51, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thank you ever so much, in car on hotspot, will look at these tomorrow. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:50, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- I am happy to try. SusunW (talk) 16:15, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- SusunW, I know Vanamonde93 is reluctant to wear out our welcome and abuse of your time, but there is an error in our searches caused by me. Jorge Illueca has two ls, not one (Vanamonde was repeating MY error in this request to you). I have gotten now a subscription to newspapers.com, and can see that there are multiple mentions when searching "Jorge Illueca" "Johnny Express". But for reasons not yet understood, I can't make newspapers.com generate a clipping (I get so much gobbledy-gook laid over the clippings that I am unable to grab them, and don't know how to get all of that to go away so I can actually read and clip the relevant part). Might you be able to clip those sources that specifically mention Illueca with two ls? Thanks in advance, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:06, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
- Vanamonde93 Not remotely a problem. I am glad to help. Just let me know if you need more. SusunW (talk) 04:34, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- Wonderful; thank you so much. If it's okay, I may pester you for a few more as I work, but this should be a lot of them... Vanamonde (Talk) 22:50, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Vanamonde93 Let me know if you need more (I find nothing in this time frame about Jorge Ileuca: January 1972, pt. 1 and pt. 2; February 1972; February 1972; April 1972, pt. 1 and pt. 2; May 1972; June 1972; August 1972, pt 1, pt.2 pt. 3, pt. 4 and pt. 5; Sept 1972; December 1972; March 1973; April 1973; April 1973; May 1973; October 1973 pt 1a, 1b, pt 2; October 1973; November 1973; November 1973; January 1974 SusunW (talk) 20:09, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
- Much appreciated! SandyGeorgia has listed a few titles at the FAC, in the second half of "library search"; but really I'm looking for anything mentioning the Leyla Express or the Johnny Express after January 1971, the later the better. There's a couple of entries mentioning "Jorge Ileuca", which would be particularly useful. Please invest only as much time as you feel you can spare, though, and there's no rush: I'm unlikely to work on this further today. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:33, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
Requesting copy edit help
Hello,
Greetings, Recently I have worked on Draft:Avret Esir Pazary as part of my plan to work on women in conflict areas related draft. Since earlier you have supported on article Aurat March, please do see if you can support copy editing of article Draft:Avret Esir Pazary.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku (talk) 17:06, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
- Bookku I am really sorry, but it will be a while before I could get to it. I am currently involved in an in-depth review of a GA nomination. I doubt that I will have time available for the next two weeks, but if there is no rush, I will look at it after I finish the GA review. SusunW (talk) 17:12, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
Not much hurry as such, you can have a look at the article any time before Women's day March 2021 , since I will try to reach out to other language Wikipedians for finding sources from their languages available, if any.
By the way pl. let me know if you know any women editors who would know any of languages like Turkish, Russian, Balkan, Georgian or central Asian languages who might help in.
Thanks and warm regards
Bookku (talk) 17:27, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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The Order of the Superior Scribe of Wikipedia | |
| For the vast amount of work you put into my GA, which you were helping to review, and for the countless other GAs you've reviewed. The amount of detail with which you go into with your GA reviews is incredible – it's been a real pleasure working with you. I also wanted to thank you for all the work you've put into improving Wikipedia as a platform; you're making it a better place for all. SerAntoniDeMiloni (talk) 21:40, 27 October 2020 (UTC) |
Thank you so much SerAntoniDeMiloni. I review an article like I write one. I don't know if that makes sense, but to me, women's history has been ignored for so long, to tell women's stories we must be accurate and precise. We must ensure that not only our subject, but the writers who wrote about them are credited with the work that they have done. I appreciate your willingness to dig in and do the work and do wish you well. SusunW (talk) 21:49, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
November edith-a-thons from Women in Red
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October harvest
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today's music played by a woman is particularly charming, - enchanting, said a critic about the Mendelssohn that I heard on 3 October, - this video is older, and the YT in the article comes with a Bach encore as she played for us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- Lovely! Thanks for the link. SusunW (talk) 21:46, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
- 16 October memories --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:17, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
- The steady flow of GAs about women is unbelievable, - thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:43, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks Gerda Arendt, I try. I think they are having a review drive. But I must say Women in Green has far exceeded our goals for the year. Pretty amazing given all this year has thrown at us. I really appreciate your encouragement, as it is very hard to research women and sometimes with all that is going on in the real world, it gets very discouraging. SusunW (talk) 20:56, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- My GA efforts have been a bit crazy lately ;) - The one pictured, which received great peer review comments by Brianboulton years ago, was a nice exception. For its history, click on the apples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- I totally understand that. Seeking peace is something I strive for. I cannot help having to deal with the circumstances of life, but I can choose not to deal with people who are negative (and so I do.) ;) SusunW (talk) 21:42, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- My GA efforts have been a bit crazy lately ;) - The one pictured, which received great peer review comments by Brianboulton years ago, was a nice exception. For its history, click on the apples. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks Gerda Arendt, I try. I think they are having a review drive. But I must say Women in Green has far exceeded our goals for the year. Pretty amazing given all this year has thrown at us. I really appreciate your encouragement, as it is very hard to research women and sometimes with all that is going on in the real world, it gets very discouraging. SusunW (talk) 20:56, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
- Lovely! Thanks for the link. SusunW (talk) 21:46, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
Beautiful Main page today, don't miss the pic by a blocked user (of a 2013 play critical of refugee politics), nor a related video, interviews mostly German, but music and scene. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:17, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
DYK for Taneko Suzuki
On 31 October 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Taneko Suzuki, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Taneko Suzuki, an expert in protein chemistry, led the development of a fish-based product that had the texture of hamburger and could be seasoned to taste like beef? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Taneko Suzuki. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Taneko Suzuki), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.
— Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 31 October 2020 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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| SusunW - Thank you for your participation! (3 articles) WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 00:56, 2 November 2020 (UTC) |