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"a passionate sensual desire and longing which is more violent and urgently felt than erotomania."

It's good that "erotolepsy" is no longer being redirected to erotomania (see redirects for discussion: erotolepsy), but erotomania is not really a feeling of love; rather it's a delusion that someone else is in love with you. Most of those afflicted with erotomania end falling in love with their perceived secret admirers, but others do not, and are only aware that someone else secretly loves them. The latter case would still be considered erotomania, no? If so, erotomania is not a feeling, per se. It is only a type of delusion that may or may not actually produce feelings of love.

Also, why is erotolepsy in the medicine and psychology project? It does not seem to be a medical term at all. --Roastporkbun (talk) 08:34, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Snaking

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Homelessness in Asia infobox

I appreciate your diligence in creating articles on Asian homelessness, but is it really necessary to have a full infobox of about 80 links just to cover three countries? It's a darned bulky template, and it would seem a better idea to hold off on it until it has at least 10% coverage. I think it would be a good idea to apply the same rule to the European and North American articles.

Peter ^Isotalo 08:27, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Social programs in Canada

Under what naming convetion was this page moved? In Canadian English "welfare" refers only to income support payments (aka "the dole", "relief", "pogey") not to other government services which are almost universally refered to as "social programs" or "the social safety net". --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 23:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Dupe linking

Please stop posting dupe links to articles that have nothing to do with computer screens.(edit: what was I thinking? I meant nothing to do with the subject)Brutaldeluxe (talk) 22:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC) Erm...no. I'm not falling for that. If you really care about that article, why aren't you adding the info yourself, instead of misleading people into reading a page that has nothing to do with the subject? light-on-dark color scheme is way too much of a niche term to be of any interest to many people. OK, just link it in articles that are pertinent to the subject then.Brutaldeluxe (talk) 23:08, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Black on white means a whole lot of things in English, and the context in which it is mentioned in the camo article is not the one meant in light-on-dark color scheme. How is light-on-dark equivalent to black-on-white?Brutaldeluxe (talk) 23:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

You have won my deepest respect.Brutaldeluxe (talk) 01:11, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Sessility (limnology)

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Grey- disambiguation pages

Hello--I've expressed some concern that some disambiguation pages you've created over the last few days may not meet the criteria for inclusion set forth at Wikipedia:Disambiguation because they don't contain links to pages that are referred to as the phrase in question. That is, it seems unlikely that the Grey-flanked Thrush would be referred to as "the Grey-flanked", etc.

Can you let me know your feelings on the matter by responding to the thread Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Valid dabs? I apologize for not contacting you directly when I first became aware of the pages, but I didn't notice that they were all new and created by the same editor. Dekimasuよ! 13:37, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Squalidness

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James Patrick Page: Session Man

Neelix, I noticed you started merger discussions into one article but they were never completed. I was wondering if you were interested in starting up the merger proposal again as there is some merit in doing so. The articles at present are nothing more than tracklists with no hope of expansion. Zyteng (talk) 01:28, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

Prithee listed at Redirects for discussion

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G&S good topic

I don't remember, sorry. See User:Shoemaker's Holiday. He initiated the Featured/Good topic review on both occasions. -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

GTN for G&S

Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Gilbert and Sullivan/archive2 and Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Gilbert and Sullivan/archive3

They were, frankly, sunk by idiocy, and I'm not inclined to try again, if at all, until all 14 operas are GAs. At which point they'll use their non-existent reading comprehension to demand The Martyr of Antioch, The Distant Shore, Cultural influence of Gilbert and Sullivan, and Rutland Barrington be added. Shoemaker's Holiday ^{Over 202 FCs served} 20:19, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

re: Single Sided, Double Density

Just a friendly reminder, when merging please remember to include the title of the article being merged to/from in your edit summaries for GFDL compliance, and use the {{R from merge}} tag for proper categorization. More info at Help:Merging. Thanks. -- œ ^™ 21:15, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Replied :)

Singlesource publishes

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I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as an experienced editor; however, in my personal opinion, we do not need a redirect to every article title from every conceivable grammatical variant of the title which might theoretically be used in a sentence. That's what piped links are for. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:30, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Naming convention

Hi Neelix,

In March, you moved "Theatre in Canada" to "Theatre of Canada" to conform to a naming convention (as you said in the edit summary), leaving a redirect at "T in C". Could you point me to the statement of the convention (which I don't find in WP:NC or other related pages, e.g. Geographic names)? I'm having trouble understanding this convention because "T of C" doesn't sound correct to me.

Thanks. Epanalepsis (talk) 03:41, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Self/Real self merge suggestion removed

I wanted to let you know that I've removed the merge suggestion from these pages. It has been over 1 year with no substantive discussion of this idea. Also, I don't think that these 2 articles are actually a similar topic, though real self clearly needs to be expanded. Shanata (talk) 09:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Removal of all non de jure diplomatic Missions in List Articles

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Conservatism in North America

You revived the article Conservatism in North America, which had been broken up, since it only mentioned the United States and Canada, into Conservatism in the United States and Conservatism in Canada. Since there is nothing in Conservatism in the United States that isn't already in one of the other two articles, and since you are the only person who has edited that article since it was broken up, do you really want to keep it as a separate article? Rick Norwood (talk) 18:20, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

If you think there should be such an article you need a reliable source that writes about the subject. As someone from Canada you are no doubt aware that Canadian conservatism shares no common origin with American conservatism. Also the term "North America" includes Mexico and often other countries so it is wrong to include only 2 countries. Mexican conservatism is also very different from US conservatism although it shares some aspects with Quebec conservatism. The Four Deuces (talk) 02:48, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

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Template:Oceania topic

I came across this this edit to Template:Culture of Oceania which changed Dance of Kiribati to Dance in Kiribati. Evidently you moved the page, and another editor followed up by updating the Culture of Oceania template.

Unfortunately, Template:Oceania topic relies on the ' "Topic" of "X" ' naming topology to function. In other words, for that template to work on a page, the page must not be named, for example, "Dance in Kiribati," but instead "Dance of Kiribati". It does not satisfy the template to employ it thus: [[Template:Oceania topic|Dance in]]. Take a look, everywhere the template has been deployed (on the "Dance in" pages), there are almost all red links.

If editors are intent on propagating this naming topology change throughout Oceania-related articles, some homework needs to be addressed first on the Oceania topic navigation template; or return it to its former condition. Thank you! –Newportm (talk • contribs) 23:50, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

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Insulated glazing redirects

Hey, there. I've noticed you've been making a lot of redirects to the page Insulated glazing, and some of them make sense, but I think you might be going a little bit overboard at this point. I honestly cannot imagine anyone ever looking up Sextuplepaned glasses, or Quintuplepaned, or anything like this. Just wanted to let you know that you probably have already made redirects for all of the plausible searches, and you can probably stop. :-) Tad Lincoln (talk) 00:31, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Headed

I ask purely out of interest - at what number of heads are you going to stop creating redirects to polycephaly? DJ Clayworth (talk) 19:48, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Ranunculus nivalis

Plant naming convention

It's at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (flora). Although there are a few editors (otherwise completely uninvolved with editing plant articles) who have made it a goal to get plant articles to English names, they have yet (after two years of pointless arguing) to gather much support from editors at large. Circeus (talk) 03:15, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

I have no idea what the Battle of Circeus is XD. Circeus (talk) 15:18, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Discussion about bibliography articles

I have seen and appreciate your note. Right now there is not much left for me to add to that discussion, but I am keeping an eye on it. Thanks! Rl (talk) 13:30, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Google Books

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Articles for deletion nomination of Red-billed

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Template for speedy deletion

A {{db-t3}} speedy deletion template has been placed on a template you appear to have created, the African topic template, because it is a near-duplicate of Africa topic.
— ^.`^) Paine Ellsworth ^diss`cuss (^^`. 16:33, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Hiya, Neelix. I saw your edit summary, and, while I don't understand it, I take it to mean that the template serves a very useful purpose. So maybe, to keep other editors from tagging for deletion or discussion, perhaps you should place an explanatory note (for those like me you could explain it as if I were a six-year-old) on the doc page?

— ^.`^) Paine Ellsworth ^diss`cuss (^^`. 23:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

PS. I also tagged the European topic template for speedy deletion. I see you caught that one, too.

Articles for deletion nomination of Conservatism in North America

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Leafy

Go ahead, I have unprotected the page. (I had protected the page after it was created several times by vandals.) - Mike Rosoft (talk) 20:12, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Pues

Hi. Why did you make a redirect from this to French conjugation#Pouvoir? It does not appear anywhere there, and as far as I know is a Spanish but not a French word; and in any case Wikipedia is not a dictionary. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 14:27, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Bed dance

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Prithee

Hi Wolfkeeper,

I noticed that you removed the article I created called Prithee and turned it into a soft redirect to Wiktionary, stating that Wikipedia is not a dictionary. I have reverted the edit because the article located at that title is not a dictionary definition. The information contained in that article about the word goes far beyond what should be found in a dictionary. There are many valid Wikipedia articles which deal with individual words; see for example Truthiness and Thou. If you have additional concerns regarding the Prithee article, feel free to contact me. In the future, you come across articles which you feel should be removed from Wikipedia, it is always polite to notify the initial creator of the article.

Happy editing,

Neelix (talk) 18:40, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Actually if you read them carefully, the 'articles on the word' are about the topic, not the word.

You've written the article to be about the word, the history of the word, and the use of the word. That's wrong; that's not what encyclopedias do.

Encyclopedias are about a meaning, (sometimes called the 'signified'), which can be associated with one or multiple words ('signifier').

You've written the article to be all about the signifier. You can do that... in a dictionary. You could try rewriting it to be about the meaning instead, but I'm not sure that's even possible, and would doubtless overlap with other articles.

Basically, if people want to know what prithee means and it's history they're supposed to look it up in a dictionary, encyclopedias are not for that.- Wolfkeeper 19:13, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi Neelix. The prithee article looks good to me: interesting and informative. Opinions differ I suppose, but I wanted to thank you for your good work on it. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:48, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

RfD nomination of Flannagan

Kajandu

If you have time, could you take a look at the short article about Kajandu that I just wrote, and see if I got it right? I found Carabane just after I finished writing and noticed it has a part about the kayendo. --Apoc2400 (talk) 20:22, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Right, categories, how could I forget that? I had Kajandu on my articles to write list on my user page for some time. I think I read the word somewhere and there was no article. I didn't find Carabane until I searched for the other spellings. It's a surprising coincidence that you just submitted it at FAC. --Apoc2400 (talk) 14:05, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Tallit

Thank you for sourcing the pronounciations. Believe me that those sources are wrong, because these pronounciations are simply non-existent (or should be). But the main thing is that it is sourced. At least the title is correct.

Another thing is a question I raised some time ago in Talk:Tallit#Various_prayers. Perhaps you want to do some research and sourcing on that as well? Debresser (talk) 06:58, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Done. Please have a look. Debresser (talk) 18:45, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Dallas

Hi, Neelix. From the Edit History, it looks like my initial edit was an error on my part (sorry about that), but that I then reversed that error (and fixed another appearance of the word "spinoff" elsewhere in the article) in the edit right after that. Sorry about that initial screwup on my part; I don't know how that happened. Happy Holidays! Nightscream (talk) 00:52, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Pied

Hi. The dictionary definitions of Pied and Piebald are not identical, so per this AfD I have reinstated the soft redirect to Wiktionary, and put a "see also" link to Piebald in place of your redirect. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 12:50, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

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Your photos on Commons

Hi Neelix! I see that User:Quadell has transferred a lot of your plant photos to Commons, without renaming them (so they are still called unhelpful things such as "Bright" and ""Yellowplant"). He's created a category for 62 of them, Flora of Saint Pierre and Miquelon, but I have suggested there, and on his talkpage, that most of the plants are not appropriate for such a category, as they are largely garden cultivars, summer bedding plants etc. Could you possibly confirm whether any of the photos that I have put in a gallery there were of wild plants, and that most if not all of the others are garden subjects? Thanks. SiGarb | (Talk) 13:56, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I was pretty sure those were taken in the wild. Although I can't pin them down as to exact species, they are a knapweed (Centaurea species), possibly a Rubus of some kind (though without any foliage, flowers or other clues it's hard to be sure) and probably a plantain, Plantago species (again, with no foliage or anything to show the scale, it's hard to tell). SiGarb | (Talk) 19:37, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Spin-Off

You're right, neither of the two links I inserted mentions "spin-off". But having just disambiguated over a thousand "spin-off" (and the various redirects to spin-off), I can assure you the term is used for both Schism and Brand Extension. Granted, only a few were Schism, Brand Extension was much more popular (as in, "Mars-bar muffins are a spin-off of the Mars bar"). Josh Parris 22:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Mediation (biology)

Hi Neelix,

Just letting you know I've proposed Mediation (biology) for deletion, since I see you've de-orphaned it. You're welcome to comment, of course.

Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 03:43, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

From Mediator (coactivator): Mediator is a multiprotein complex that functions as a transcriptional coactivator. It was discovered by Roger D. Kornberg, winner of the 2006 Nobel Prize in Chemistry. Could it be that your textbooks are too old? Josh Parris 04:07, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I know what the mediator involved in eukaryotic transcription initiation is, and "mediator" was in the index of one of the textbooks. So Mediator (coactivator) is a legitimate article. But I'm not convinced that "mediation" has any special meaning – as far as I can tell, it's an ordinary English word being used to describe what the mediator does. In any case, the articles that link to Mediation (biology) aren't necessarily talking about transcription (eg Fungus). Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 05:55, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I've redirected the page to Mediator (coactivator) as that seems to be the only possible meaning of "Mediator" in biology which is specific to biology. I have also removed all incoming links from other articles. I hope everyone finds this solution acceptable. Neelix (talk) 14:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Thanks Neelix. Adrian J. Hunter^{(talk•contribs)} 14:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)