User talk:Montenois

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January 2022

Hello, I'm JPxG. I wanted to let you know that I reverted one of your recent contributions—specifically this edit to Franz von Roques—because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you have any questions, you can ask for assistance at the Help desk. Thanks. jp×g 09:28, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's a little surprising, because my edit was factual and not based on my personal opinion. German nobility is divided into those who have titles and those who don't. Franz von Roques did not have a title, meaning that he should be categorized as "German untitled nobility", which is a subcategory of "German nobility". The text on the latter category's page states expressly: "Pages in this category should be moved to subcategories where applicable." When I moved Franz von Roques to his correct subcategory I was merely following this guideline. Montenois (talk) 13:12, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I checked the Franz von Roques article and noticed that you had reverted your revert and restored my version, no doubt because you came to the same conclusion that I did. Thanks. Montenois (talk) 14:40, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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This is the discussion about the categories I promised to open.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:52, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! Montenois (talk) 21:01, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Generalbezirk Lettland moved to draftspace

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Stress marks

Hi, I see you've been adding stress marks to the cyrillic versions of Russian names. This is deprecated, Wikipedia:Stress marks in Russian words has some of the reasoning behind why this is. There's a general effort to take them out of articles where they have appeared, usually copied over from ru wiki and others. Best regards! Spokoyni (talk) 00:15, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding your articles on various Uyezds of the Russian Empire

Since there is an English version of the reference page, could you please add that instead of the Russian version.
I'm making some fixes to Rylsky Uyezd. If you could do the same fixes in your other similar articles, it would be great.
Also, do you have more sources for these articles? A single source is usually frowned upon. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 10:03, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How about some context?

I'm not sure that adding "He was a slaveowner" to congressional bios based on the article from The Washington Post is sufficient. How about some context? How many slaves did the individual own? Did he buy or sell them? Did he manumit them? Did he belong to a manumission or colonization society? Did he change his views on slavery over the long term?

For example, look at the Stephen Van Rensselaer IV article. He owned a certain number of slaves, and by the time New York's gradual emancipation law took effect, he owned none. He also belonged to one or more colonization societies. I believe those details are more useful than merely saying that someone owned slaves.

What do you think? Billmckern (talk) 16:36, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

a) Wikipedia is a communal project. The vast majority of articles consist of facts (preferably sourced ones) presented by many individual contributors. b) That every single congressman or senator in that Washington Post database did own slaves is a proven fact. Any sane person will agree that having owned slaves is a very relevant part of a person's biography. This means that we have no right to leave it unmentioned. That would be suppressing the truth. In other words: censorship. c) As I said, Wikipedia is a communal project. No individual contributor is required or expected to provide every possible detail about the subject they write about. On the other hand, every contributor is free to provide additional details/additional context, if they have sources for those. Montenois (talk) 19:32, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Montenois: Disagree. But thanks for replying. Billmckern (talk) 12:20, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Billmckern, the problem with context is significant, but there are two other issues. The first is that the source to these additions is not The Washington Post but some other website referencing a Washington Post study. Secondly, the URL does not contain any of their names. I argue in favor of reverting all of these additions as unsourced and without context. I already removed a change from one of the articles without realizing that the information was added to many others. But if you are in agreement, I can begin reverting. Display name 99 (talk) 18:32, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here is yet another problem. I just found one of your changes in which you introduced content cited to this source about slaveowners in between two pieces of content cited to the same source without bothering to create a second link to the pre-existing source in order to make clear what part of the original context was referenced to. As a result, a reader could mistakenly think some of the information was sourced to the link that you added, rather than the original source. This does a disservice to our readers.

Reverting these changes is going to be a massive task, but I think it has to be done. Display name 99 (talk) 18:38, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There would be no justification for doing so. That Washington Post database in a reliable source. Reverting the information about those members of Congress having owned slaves would amount to suppressing proven facts. By the way, I'm not exactly the only one who has been adding them. In fact, the vast majority of the information about members of Congress having owned slaves has been added by other contributors than myself. It's easy to predict that a proposal to censor that information would meet with very significant opposition and would be seen as extremely contoversial.Montenois (talk) 19:16, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Your link does not appear to be to the WaPo database but to a different website speaking about something which is supposedly in the WaPO database. Additionally, as I stated, your link does not include any names of the people who supposedly owned slaves, meaning that it's unclear how the information should be verified. How does one get to the list? Why isn't the link to the list itself? There is only one person that I am aware of here who has been adding improperly sourced and out of context information about slaveholding to a massive number of articles on antebellum American statesmen. That's you. Display name 99 (talk) 19:42, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Find reliable sources which specifically say that all of these men owned slaves, preferably with some context. If you can do that, I would have no problem with it being added to the articles. My issue is with bad sourcing. Throwing around accusations of censorship rather than listening to what I am trying to say isn't really helping. Display name 99 (talk) 19:46, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You are quite simply mistaken, on several levels. All you had to do was to click on this WaPo link which was included in the github link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/interactive/2022/congress-slaveowners-names-list/ Montenois (talk) 20:43, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I could of course have used that direct WaPo link, but I copied the github link from another contributor who had been using it as a source in a similar fashion. I decided that it would be a good idea to follow his (or her?) example. It simply didn't occur to me that someone would actually fail to find that WaPo link inside the github link. Montenois (talk) 21:00, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for providing the article. Regardless of what the other editor did, I do not think that using the github link is a good idea. What would be the reason for linking to the github site and not simply linking directly to the article? It just forces the reader to go through an extra step in order to get to the extra database, and for no reason. Wouldn't it be better simply to link to the WaPo article? I attempted to click on the database from the article but was unable to do so. If you can, I think that it might be even more convenient to readers to link the database itself.

Basically, the problem is that, although the list that your basing your additions off of certainly seems reliable, you're linking to a questionable-looking third party source for no apparent reason. That third-party source brings the individual to the WaPo article, and it's from there that someone has to find the actual list. It's too many steps. I strongly suggest replacing all of the links in the additions by linking directly to the WaPO article or to the list itself. If you agree to that, I will revert my changes to the two articles where I undid your additions. Display name 99 (talk) 22:18, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I can do that. Montenois (talk) 07:18, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's done. Montenois (talk) 15:09, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I have restored the material to the two articles from which I removed it. Display name 99 (talk) 15:23, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hindman

I've worked it into the lead a little cleaner (slaveholding is already mentioned and cited in the body, so the WaPo cite doesn't need to be in the lead per WP:LEADCITE). Out of curiousity, is there a specific reason why you removed Category:Assassinated American politicians? Hog Farm _Talk 19:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake. I glanced through the article so rapidly that I didn't notice that the fact of his slaveholding was already mentioned. As for Category:Assassinated American politicians, it wasn't my intention to remove it. Obviously it needs to be there. Thanks for correcting that. Montenois (talk) 19:32, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! I rewrote Hindman's article earlier this year, and was surprised to see that it minimized mention of slavery - the revision that originally passed FAC in 2007 avoids the issue entirely. Hog Farm _Talk 20:24, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People from Suyetsky District has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Zarinsk has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Mayminsky District has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Shebalinsky District has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Ivanovsky District, Amur Oblast has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Mikhaylovsky District, Amur Oblast has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Privolzhsky District, Astrakhan Oblast has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Baltachevsky District has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Chekmagushevsky District has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Gafuriysky District has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Ilishevsky District has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Kaltasinsky District has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Chernyansky District has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Kurumkansky District has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Kyakhtinsky District has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Yetkulsky District has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Vurnarsky District has been nominated for merging

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Category:People from Yantikovsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Yantikovsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 21:33, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Bokhansky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Bokhansky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 18:29, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Slyudyansky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Slyudyansky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 18:32, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Zhigalovsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Zhigalovsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 18:34, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Baltiysky District, Kaliningrad Oblast has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Baltiysky District, Kaliningrad Oblast has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 18:06, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Dzerzhinsky District, Kaluga Oblast has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Dzerzhinsky District, Kaluga Oblast has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 18:31, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Nogaysky District, Karachay-Cherkess Republic has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Nogaysky District, Karachay-Cherkess Republic has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 18:40, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Oparinsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Oparinsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 19:04, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Verkhoshizhemsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Verkhoshizhemsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 19:07, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Galichsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Galichsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 19:20, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Sharyinsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Sharyinsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 19:22, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Lgovsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Lgovsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 19:38, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Shchigrovsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Shchigrovsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 19:38, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Lodeynopolsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Lodeynopolsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 10:22, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Serpukhovsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Serpukhovsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 08:41, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Shakhovskoy District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Shakhovskoy District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 08:41, 12 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Shimsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Shimsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 10:16, 13 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Dmitrovsky District, Oryol Oblast has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Dmitrovsky District, Oryol Oblast has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 08:43, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Pokrovsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Pokrovsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 08:48, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Zalegoshchensky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Zalegoshchensky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 08:49, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Gorodishchensky District, Penza Oblast has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Gorodishchensky District, Penza Oblast has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 12:57, 15 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Chuchkovsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Chuchkovsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 16:21, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Putyatinsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Putyatinsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 16:23, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Ryazhsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Ryazhsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 16:23, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Yermishinsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Yermishinsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 16:25, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Balakovsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Balakovsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 09:59, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Dorogobuzhsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Dorogobuzhsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 10:18, 17 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Muchkapsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Muchkapsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 09:34, 18 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Novospassky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Novospassky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 15:13, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Pavlovsky District, Ulyanovsk Oblast has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Pavlovsky District, Ulyanovsk Oblast has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 15:13, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Staromaynsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Staromaynsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 15:13, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Tsilninsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Tsilninsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 15:14, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People from Ertilsky District has been nominated for merging

Category:People from Ertilsky District has been nominated for merging. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Rathfelder (talk) 08:16, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Notifications about notable residents

Hi, I hope I am not annoying you by notifications from giving attribution to you when I create lists based on the above categories.

You can safely ignore the notifications, but if you are willing to help with replacing the nominated categories with lists, that would be very welcome! – Fayenatic London 16:29, 8 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I did not get round to listing all the categories before they were deleted. Here[2] is a link to some that were missed, in case you would like to list them. I don't think I will do any more on these – let me know if you would do so, and would like me to trace more that were missed like these. – Fayenatic London 19:59, 6 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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1919 Uruguayan parliamentary election

Hello. Please could you provide a source for this change. The year (1919) was sourced to the reference used; however, if someone now checks that source, they will not find the date you have added, which then may appear to be falsification. Thanks, Number 5 7 18:50, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[3] (page 101) Montenois (talk) 14:56, 2 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stroganoff

It may well be true that beef Stroganoff is named for Alexander, but you'll need to provide evidence (sources) for that. --Macrakis (talk) 16:15, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

February 2023

Hi there - Wikipedia relies on reliable sources to verify information, especially about living people. You didn't provide a source for your changes to the Lindokuhle Mbatha article, and I couldn't find one either. If you have a reliable source please let me know and we can change the article. Please let me know if you have any questions. Giant Snowman 19:57, 2 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Sumsky Uyezd

A tag has been placed on Category:Sumsky Uyezd indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Not useful so information addition

Hello, recently i noticed you have added Nepal demographic information in most of those are not so useful information (Ex: Santal and other social group related articles), so i request to add information which are useful to Wikipedia reader.

MaxA-Matrix💬 talk 07:56, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Paraguayan Freemasons

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Putting people in specific categories must be justified by a sourced mention in the article

Hi. I noticed you have recently been massively adding personalities to categories of freemasons of different countries. Freemasonry is very specific: such claims must be substantiated by a clear mention in the article, with a valid reference. I have reverted edits classifying several Chilean personalities as freemasons, because such a mention can be found nowhere in their article. Sapphorain (talk) 07:34, 28 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Categories again

Hi there, you have added some categories to the pages Wilhelm Niklas and Anton Storch. Please be aware of the fact that there is no specific order of the categories, so it would be better not to change their order. Egeymi (talk) 16:03, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:German modern pagans

Why do you add this category to articles about Nazi officials seemingly at random? None of the articles you have added it to contains a word about paganism. Ffranc (talk) 12:15, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not at all without reason or at random. The Datenbank der deutschen Parlamentsabgeordneten has data about the religious confession (or lack thereof) of German parlamentarians. This data has always been provided by the parlamentarians themselves. In all cases where I have added the category "German modern pagans", the parlamentarian in question has himself characterized his confession as "Gottgläubig", which was the usual word used in Nazi Germany to refer to adherents of modern paganism, or neopaganism. This was especially common among SS personnel. Many prominent Nazis (one example being Hitler himself) remained members of different Christian denominations, others resigned their church membership without characterizing themselves as "gottgläubig", i.e. modern pagan. In those cases I would of couse not add the category in question.Montenois (talk) 12:30, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An example from the Datenbank der deutschen Parlamentsabgeordneten: Here Alfred Rosenberg, one of the most famous Nazi neopagans, characterizes his religious confession as "gottgläubig": [4] Montenois (talk) 12:36, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gottgläubig is not synonymous with pagan. It was more of a catch-all term for people who neither were Christians nor atheists. Ffranc (talk) 11:32, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We are talking specifically about the database of Reichstag members, which uses all the volumes of the Reichstags-Handbuch as its material. If we consult those, we notice that there were several terms to refer to people who were neither Christians nor Jews. One very common term used by people who didn't belong to any specific denomination was Dissident. Another common term was Konfessionslos. As far as I've been able to ascertain, nobody in the different volumes of the Reichstags-Handbuch ever directly described themselves as an atheist; those we know to have been atheists used the term Konfessionslos. Those who considerd themselves religious but did not adhere to any specific religion (such as Christianity, Judaism etc) described themselves as Freireligiös. As for the term Gottgläubig, we need to understand it in its context. There was a strong undercurrent of neopagan thought in Germany in the 1930's and 40's and this manifested itself in a number of ways. There were several competing neopagan religious groups, or denominations, which tended to reflect the subjective views of their founder(s), which explains why they remained relatively small (the largest of these, the German Faith Movement, had about 200 000 members). Typically, most of those Germans of that period whose worldview was based on the idea of a revival of traditional Germanic religion in some form (e.g. Alfred Rosenberg) didn't see much need to join any of the competing religious associations. The attitude of the Nazi state to neopaganism was somewhat ambivalent. Hitler's utilitarian approach to organized religion was reflected in the programme of the Nazi Party as a reference to the idea of a "Positive Christianity", which basically meant promoting a version of Christianity which would be compatible with Nazi ideology. Because of the centralized structure of the Catholic Church, this was more difficult to accomplish on the Catholic side, but on the Protestant side the pro-Nazi movement of "German Christians" did manage to organize many Protestant churches into a centralized German Evangelical Church (DEK). Those Protestants who didn't approve of what they saw as a syncretistic mix of Christianity with Völkisch ideas organized as as the Confessing Church in opposition to Nazi policy. Thus, the Nazi state was mostly concerned with making the existing forms of organized Christianity as compliant as possible. There was, however, a sizable minority of conscious neopagans in the Nazi Party, especially in the SS. Most of these didn't belong to any of the existing neopagan organizations, but sought instead to promote a revival of ancient Germanic sprituality within the Nazi organizations they belonged to, such as SS, the Hitler Youth and the League of German Girls (BDM). This often took the form of elaborate seasonal celebrations (summer and winter solstice etc) inspired by traditional Germanic religion.

Back to the term Gottgläubig. It is significant that it only appears in the 1938-1945 version of the Reichstags-Handbuch, the last one of the Nazi period. Thus, the term Gottgläubig is in itself an innovation of the Nazi regime and it serves an obvious purpose. It does not refer merely to people who consider themselves to be religious without considering themselvelves to be Christians, Muslims, Jews etc, because for this group of people, there was already the term Freireligiös, used by many members of the Reichstag to describe themselves. This is why, in the context of the Reichstags-Handbuch, the term Gottgläubig is used by those members of the Reichstag (such as Alfred Rosenberg) who were adherents of some form of Germanic spirituality. As there were several competing groups of Germanic neopagans and most of those who identified with Germanic spirituality did not belong to any of those, an umbrella term was needed for those who identified with some however vaguely defined form of Germanic spirituality. Note that not a single of those members of the Nazi Reichstag who were known as neopagans referred to themselves by the German word for pagan, which is Heide. Instead, they called themselves Gottgläubig. It is for this exact purpose that the term Gottgläubig was created and promoted in the 1930s. Note also that the term Gottgläubig fades from official use after the demise of the Nazi regime (it's used only sporadically in some local censuses until about 1950), as it was strongly associated with the neopagan wing of the Nazi Party .Montenois (talk) 15:00, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If there is a reliable source that says someone was a neopagan, you can add the info and source to his article, then add the category. If there is no such source, you cannot add it. Neither "Gottgläubig" nor "some form of Germanic spirituality" are synonyms of paganism, even if you can find examples where they overlap. That's it for this discussion.

For the rest of your claims, I don't know where you're getting things from. Rosenberg was not a pagan, he merely mentioned paganism as one of the religions he could be OK with if it became prominent in the future. There were no pagan competitors to the German Faith Movement, because the other groups were banned, even the pro-Nazi Ludendorffians. There was no neopagan wing of the NSDAP; there was an anti-clerical wing, represented by people like Rosenberg, and some Christian anti-Nazis condemned this as "pagan", but the practicing neopagans who did join the party never had any power within it. Ffranc (talk) 13:09, 29 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Reference for de Broglie's 1941

Hi. Thanks for your | improvements to the Louis de Broglie page. In one part you added:

In 1941, he was made a member of the National Council of Vichy France.

Can you add a reference for a reliable source so someone doesn't remove it? Thanks! Johnjbarton (talk) 15:30, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Montenois (talk) 16:21, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Done. Thanks for pointing that out. Montenois (talk) 12:30, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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When will you stop adding unsourced content? Hope you would stop it soon. Egeymi (talk) 12:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I advise you to read the Finnish Wikipedia article about Pekka Tarjanne. Pekka Tarjanne was the grandson of Heikki Ritavuori and he began his political career in the Liberal League. These are well-known facts and the Finnish Wikipedia article mentions them. Montenois (talk) 12:14, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Helsingin Sanomat, for instance, refers to the fact that Ritavuori was Tarjanne's grandfather: [5] Montenois (talk) 12:17, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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