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p-value

I answered your comment on the p-value talk page. Richard Gill (talk) 10:29, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Antidepressants

I saw that you undid my edits on the antidepressant page. While I am sure that you had good intentions, I removed that content because it was of exceptionally low quality. A Wikipedia article should not just be a list of studies followed by a one sentence explanation of what they contain: a Wikipedia article should be concise and relevant. I am still in the process of replacing this information with higher quality content, but it the meantime I would appreciate if you didn't revert my edits. Wikiman2718 (talk) 02:58, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

hey User:Wikiman2718, I agree that this could be improved and it would be great if you could do that. however, how you left the article now is worse than before; for example, the more than a decade old star*d trial is explained in complete detail while the most recent systematic reviews from the last years are missing.Lucleon (talk) 16:45, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

"Antidepressants and the Placebo Effect" by Kirsch (2014)

Hello Lucleon. What do you think about mentioning this in the article? Am I getting into WP:UNDUE territory here? Puduḫepa (talk) 11:01, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

This is an interesting article but there are many articles with all kinds of different opinions regarding the clinical efficacy of antidepressants. Note also the most recent and most extensive meta-analysis/systematic review on antidepressants from 2018 (https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32802-7/fulltext) and the discussion surrounding it.Lucleon (talk) 20:58, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

The link doesn't work. Puduḫepa (talk) 05:24, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, here it is again: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(17)32802-7/fulltext

Thank you. Puduḫepa (talk) 09:35, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

By the way, feel free to edit the page. Cheers, Puduḫepa (talk) 13:06, 22 June 2019 (UTC)